New Manager Debate

[Saint NL]

3 minutes ago, sandwichsaint said:

That will be a 1-0 to Charlton then?

Yup, and Leicester too by the looks of it 😂

[sadoldgit]

7 minutes ago, EBS1980 said:

I mean every other club doesn’t seem to have an issue in selecting a manager from those that apply…..

Do we know who is on the list of applications? What if it just contains the people that have been dissed on here already? That would be a good thing surely? Perhaps they are waiting to see who will be available when the Christmas cull comes around, who knows? I’d rather that they wait and get the best candidate if no one floats their boat so far.

[AlexLaw76]

1 hour ago, SaintLondon said:

In other words, we don't know what we're doing and we're hoping for a miracle. 

 

Screams that they want to give it Tonda. Just reeks of it

[Saint Scott]

1 hour ago, SaintLondon said:

In other words, we don't know what we're doing and we're hoping for a miracle. 

 

The meltdown from our fanbase is going to be huge when we inevitably pick up a single point from Charlton, Leicester and Millwall. Dragan was supposedly going to be more hands on now, his team of advisers are terrible and by the looks of it so is he!

[Themotherfunky]

Time to dust this one off? 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

32 minutes ago, BERMUDASAINT said:

Anyone out there that watches the u21? Can give any insite to Tonda's playing stye? Improvements over last year?

It will be the playing style that SR tell him to play. 

[Fabrice29]

38 minutes ago, BERMUDASAINT said:

Anyone out there that watches the u21? Can give any insite to Tonda's playing stye? Improvements over last year?

He played a lot of young players if that’s insightful. 

[Fitzhugh Fella]

1 hour ago, sotonjoe said:

He's fucking nuts, mate. 

Perfect in other words

[sockeye]

2 hours ago, SaintLondon said:

In other words, we don't know what we're doing and we're hoping for a miracle. 

 

Work experience fc

[ally_uk]

Sports Republic utter shambolic 🤣🤣🤣

Edited 3 hours ago by ally_uk

[Turkish]

40 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Screams that they want to give it Tonda. Just reeks of it

they are obviously desperate to give it to him. If shit for everyone really. Tonda isnt being backed by his bosses, if i was him i'd be pissed off, they're too scared to give it to him now as they know the reaction they'll get so running scared from the fans and the directors are making another out "out of the box" appointment. What a joke of a club, weak, clueless leaders. 

[saintant]

1 hour ago, Charlie Wayman said:

A tad extreme when you don't know their side of the story. It may not be quite as easy as you think

They've been hopeless from day one.

[Gloucester Saint]

16 hours ago, Dusic said:

@davefizzy14 any update on DO'L?

More likely to be L’Oreal - and they’re not worth it.

[davefizzy14]

Who is DO'L?

[Dman]

26 minutes ago, sockeye said:

Work experience fc

isn't the whole point / benefit of a multi-club model that you can let players / managers gain work experience in a less intense environment?

Yet they seem to be continulously using our status to buy players for that turkish mob. 

 

[sockeye]

6 minutes ago, davefizzy14 said:

Who is DO'L?

Dary O'Leil

[tdmickey3]

2 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Which is why the pressure is greater to get it right now.

Yes but giving it to a virtual apprentice is never going to work

[Football Special]

47 minutes ago, sockeye said:

Work experience fc

Is anyone actually coaching the players? I heard Trollope not around but not clear if waiting for this Wolves move. 

Seems like a complete mess behind the scenes 

[coalman]

3 hours ago, SaintLondon said:

In other words, we don't know what we're doing and we're hoping for a miracle. 

 

Sport Republic have always been about the pathway from the U21s to the first team. It's about making sure we don't lose our brightest talents to other teams. Or some such genius.

[VectisSaint]

14 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Is anyone actually coaching the players? I heard Trollope not around but not clear if waiting for this Wolves move. 

Seems like a complete mess behind the scenes 

Trollope is going to Wolves, but seems to still be at Saints at the moment (difficult to tell for sure). All the other coaches are gone, except Lallana, so it really isn't clear who is doing what in training. If they are going to give it to Ronda then surely they need some patching staff, even if it's to replace the u21 staff who may have stepped up. 

[Turkish]

Echo suggesting players didn't respect Still, possibly due to his lack of playing record and experience in England. So what are we going to do, appoint someone else with exactly that profile, but even less management experience. It's insanity isnt it?

[Willo of Whiteley]

Is anyone really surprised? I mean, really?

It’s been plainly obvious Tonda Eckhart was getting a few more games.

[Dman]

7 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Echo suggesting players didn't respect Still, possibly due to his lack of playing record and experience in England. So what are we going to do, appoint someone else with exactly that profile, but even less management experience. It's insanity isnt it?

Exactly why we have to go for a big name in this case. Carrick or Ole would have been perfect - give hungry eye's the gig as assistant if they want to bed him in.  

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, Dman said:

Exactly why we have to go for a big name in this case. Carrick or Ole would have been perfect - give hungry eye's the gig as assistant if they want to bed him in.  

Not even a big name as such, but a strong leader to sort them out. Someone with a bit of kudos. I'd take the guy Norwich have just got, not a big name but vast experience and a good track record. We cant have a work experience guy coming in when the club is such a mess with no leadership on or off the pitch. 

[Mboto Gorge]

2 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Do we know who is on the list of applications? What if it just contains the people that have been dissed on here already? That would be a good thing surely? Perhaps they are waiting to see who will be available when the Christmas cull comes around, who knows? I’d rather that they wait and get the best candidate if no one floats their boat so far.

Can you point me in the direction of their proven history of “waiting and then getting the best candidate”?

[Mboto Gorge]

It does amuse me that even after several years of blatant and unmitigated failure and utterly disastrous decisions as our owners, we still have a portion of fans agreeing and lapping up decisions being made at the helm of this club, some people will agree with anything they do. They could stick a dog turd in as manager and some people would write a paragraph or two of how they can see the reasoning behind it. 

[AlexLaw76]

Its ok, Dragan is now taken the reins..."hands on"

[AlexLaw76]

10 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Not even a big name as such, but a strong leader to sort them out. Someone with a bit of kudos. I'd take the guy Norwich have just got, not a big name but vast experience and a good track record. We cant have a work experience guy coming in when the club is such a mess with no leadership on or off the pitch. 

No doubt, Clement applied for our vacant position also.

[Miltonaggro]

6 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Its ok, Dragan is now taken the reins..."hands on"

[Willo of Whiteley]

7 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

No doubt, Clement applied for our vacant position also.

You’ve got absolutely nothing to support that.

You may as well say Mr Benn applied, or Ant & Dec, or Mr Blobby.

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

You’ve got absolutely nothing to support that.

You may as well say Mr Benn applied, or Ant & Dec, or Mr Blobby.

Do you not think it is likely, given we are a very attractive proportion, he is out of work, and was in for the Norwich job at the very same time.

I think the odds are good, compared to Mr Bean being one of the 150+ applications.

[Willo of Whiteley]

Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

Do you not think it is likely, given we are a very attractive proportion, he is out of work, and was in for the Norwich job at the very same time.

I think the odds are good, compared to Mr Bean being one of the 150+ applications.

So you agree you’ve nothing to support this. 😂

All that said I’m sure Alex Crook will be on this forum tonight and it’ll be on Talkshites breakfast show tomorrow. 😅

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

So you agree you’ve nothing to support this. 😂

All that said I’m sure Alex Crook will be on this forum tonight and it’ll be on Talkshites breakfast show tomorrow. 😅

There is nothing really to support nearly all of the stuff said on here. Would be a pretty desolate place if supporting evidence was required for most points being made. 

[Turkish]

8 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Do you not think it is likely, given we are a very attractive proportion, he is out of work, and was in for the Norwich job at the very same time.

I think the odds are good, compared to Mr Bean being one of the 150+ applications.

Perhaps it would be more worrying if he didn't apply for it but did apply to Norwich, seeing them as a better option

[Wade Garrett]

52 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Echo suggesting players didn't respect Still, possibly due to his lack of playing record and experience in England. So what are we going to do, appoint someone else with exactly that profile, but even less management experience. It's insanity isnt it?

Alfie House has written a brilliant article today on what SR should be doing.

[AlexLaw76]

3 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Alfie House has written a brilliant article today on what SR should be doing.

After how ever many years, there is still the space for a local journo to advise those at the top to run the club like normal owners.

Remarkable. I guess Dragan being back has made no improvement what so ever, amazing how little attention he gets with it all.

[OldNick]

50 minutes ago, Mboto Gorge said:

It does amuse me that even after several years of blatant and unmitigated failure and utterly disastrous decisions as our owners, we still have a portion of fans agreeing and lapping up decisions being made at the helm of this club, some people will agree with anything they do. They could stick a dog turd in as manager and some people would write a paragraph or two of how they can see the reasoning behind it. 

I get your point to a degree, but I doubt there has been a decision evermade at our football club, the intelligensia on here wouldnt pick holes in. You only have to read the match thread to understand what football brains we have. ( Oriol may be the only one )

Not sure what choice we as fans have, unless you can find a buyer out there, we have to ride the wave. 

Not many of us, if any, would risk their lifes work, house and savings on a football club. Whilst Dragan is very wealthy he is not as wealthy as he was by owning our club.

Edited 1 hour ago by OldNick

[Dusic]

Not overly convinced that players instantly don't respect managers who haven't played - there are plenty who have done very well with limited or non existant playing careers.

Heard Lampard say recently he was shocked when speaking to Luke Shaw when away with England and Shaw didn't know who Tony Adams was - I don't think its a big deal to have someone who players would see as a being experienced.

Far more likely is players just get a sense of whether the training is good, whether they feel like they are learning something new and whether they like the way the manager wants them to play. That stuff they work out pretty quickly which is why a lot of managers just never get going and most of the good ones get off to a decent start from the beginning.

Almoat certain none of our players had heard of Pochettino when he joined and he has no management record to speak of but they loved him straight away and pretty instantly did exactly what he asked - presumably because they enjoyed it and believed in it.

[Themotherfunky]

Pretty poor on the players if that's the case. Plenty of examples of good players not making good managers.

[OldNick]

5 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Not overly convinced that players instantly don't respect managers who haven't played - there are plenty who have done very well with limited or non existant playing careers.

Heard Lampard say recently he was shocked when speaking to Luke Shaw when away with England and Shaw didn't know who Tony Adams was - I don't think its a big deal to have someone who players would see as a being experienced.

Far more likely is players just get a sense of whether the training is good, whether they feel like they are learning something new and whether they like the way the manager wants them to play. That stuff they work out pretty quickly which is why a lot of managers just never get going and most of the good ones get off to a decent start from the beginning.

Almoat certain none of our players had heard of Pochettino when he joined and he has no management record to speak of but they loved him straight away and pretty instantly did exactly what he asked - presumably because they enjoyed it and believed in it.

Im not surprised with Shaw not knowing, he would have known the colour of a Mars bar or Milky way wrapper I expect.

Gerrard/Viera would be known by all players I would have thought, and for a short period may have the awe of the squad, that is why those may get something out of the them. Gerrard with a good football brain as a 2nd in command may well be good for a club like us, and you never know might get good Liverpool loans in. ( I dont believe Gerrard is a great manager but perhaps its what we need here and now. It certainly would get a short buzz IMO

Edited 1 hour ago by OldNick

[Challenger]

4 hours ago, Rebel said:

I am starting to think Sports Republic have no idea what to do when it comes to the manager. 

When they sacked Russell Martin last season the obvious answer was to pay the compensation to Sheff Weds and appoint Danny Rohl. Instead they went for the cheap option and appointed Juric - with I think no plan to keep him beyond the summer.

In the summer when they let Juric leave they didn't really seem to have a plan of what to do next.  The obvious answer was to pay the compensation to Sheff Weds and appoint Danny Rohl.  Instead they went for the cheap and 'aren't we clever' option of appointing Will Still when they baulked at the money Sheff Weds wanted for Rohl.

Right now the most obvious answer is probably to appoint Michael Carrick - he has a good track record with Boro and took over there when they were in a similar position and did a good job.  The problem is I don't think he wants the job - and Sports Republic are trying to clever again in giving the job to Eckhart.

From the outside I think one of the problems is a lack of a clear strategy when it comes to football - or clear lines of responsibility.  I can't help thinking Rasmussen keeps interfering on signings and managerial appointments which means between him and Spors we have a mess of players, playing style and management philosophies. At times it seems its mandated from above to play 3-4-2-1 - but that makes the signing of players like Fellows and Azaz an odd decision as they suit a 4-2-3-1.  

It looks like they will stick with Eckhart - and delay making a decision - until he wins enough games for them to say 'aren't we clever' or loses enough games that they have to sack him.

In reality I don't think any of the good or proven managers out there want the job - the squad is unbalanced missing a centre forward and a good enough goalkeeper. There is a good chance of being sucked in to a relegation battle and a very slim chance of making the play-offs and getting promoted.  And if you don't get promoted an already unbalanced squad will get ripped apart in the summer as Sports Republic will need to cut costs by selling the best players to raise cash - and getting rid of the overpaid players on the cheap.   

Saints future is starting to look a lot like Norwich's present.

 

To be honest the first ten words of your post are enough to sum it all up.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

33 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Alfie House has written a brilliant article today on what SR should be doing.

Selling up. I would hope. 

[lumuah]

Could it be that they have identified someone who wants to come to us, but knows without a striker and goalie they would be on a hiding to nothing? 

Instead they are going to hold out until nearer the transfer window so that the required players can be brought in and the new manager wouldn't have to start with several defeats?

[coalman]

29 minutes ago, lumuah said:

Could it be that they have identified someone who wants to come to us, but knows without a striker and goalie they would be on a hiding to nothing? 

Instead they are going to hold out until nearer the transfer window so that the required players can be brought in and the new manager wouldn't have to start with several defeats?

At this point I think it's fair to say that Sport Republic don't have any kind of master plan other than doing random things and hoping that, eventually, it all turns out for the best.

Even if they have identified someone (and by all appearances it looks like their preference is for Tonda) it's highly unlikely that that someone is going to be able to turn this particular ship around. Even if, by some fluke they did, that person is unlikely to have the space to make the changes that are necessary.

[pimpin4rizeal]

7 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Although he is doing a good job at Charlton he wasn’t a good fit here before and I don’t think he would be again. Just because Ekhert is young doesn’t mean to say he couldn’t do a decent job for us. Plenty of very experienced managers have failed at United. It is all about finding the right person at the right time. No one wanted Lampard not so long ago. I think we would all be very happy with him now. I am not suggesting that Ekhert should get the job by the way, but Spors has indicated that he was being groomed for the top job so at some point you assume that he will be the right age for the top job. They know that they have to get this appointment right. I’m not surprised that they are not rushing into to anything (which is still not to say that they might get the wrong person in again, but hey ho!).

Im not saying we should appoint Jones btw but at least Jones has done good jobs (charlton and Luton ) whilst eckart just seems a total punt . Jones wasn’t a good fit at the time and didn’t Manage to turn a already bad premiership side around in a short space of time but maybe it might have panned out differently if he was instead appointed when we appointed Martin .

maybe Elkhart will go on to be a good manager in the future but I don’t see why it should be us that gives him the chance. we are big enough at this level  to attract actual managers with some type of proven track record 

[E_H_Saints]

In all honesty, I don't think the club know what they want to do.  The fact people care how our players treat the manager is part of the mess in the first place.  They haven't earned the respect to have a say, by the media covering it just allows the players to have more power than they deserve.  It has nothing to do with playing experience, its a results business. Other clubs have gambled and got it right (Brighton, Crystal Palace, Bournemouth etc).  A good manager and competent manager would probably want to come in and say, your squad isn't good enough for your ambition.  

[Behind Enemy Lines]

1 hour ago, OldNick said:

Im not surprised with Shaw not knowing, he would have known the colour of a Mars bar or Milky way wrapper I expect.

Gerrard/Viera would be known by all players I would have thought, and for a short period may have the awe of the squad, that is why those may get something out of the them. Gerrard with a good football brain as a 2nd in command may well be good for a club like us, and you never know might get good Liverpool loans in. ( I dont believe Gerrard is a great manager but perhaps its what we need here and now. It certainly would get a short buzz IMO

I wouldn’t want Gerrard around our club. It sounds like this club is cliquey enough already. 

[gallaghert366@yahoo.com]

2 hours ago, Dman said:

Exactly why we have to go for a big name in this case. Carrick or Ole would have been perfect - give hungry eye's the gig as assistant if they want to bed him in.  

Carrick was given the 'Fuck Off' tablet by one of the most tolerant chairman in the football league because he couldn't deliver. What, in your opinion, does he offer SFC?

He's a Bryan Kidd clone who is best suited to a number 2 role.

[Dman]

4 minutes ago, gallaghert366@yahoo.com said:

Carrick was given the 'Fuck Off' tablet by one of the most tolerant chairman in the football league because he couldn't deliver. What, in your opinion, does he offer SFC?

He's a Bryan Kidd clone who is best suited to a number 2 role.

He's experienced at this level, worked with (and got a tune from) 2 our our attacking players who've looked lost to-date and, I'd assume, wouldnt do some David Brent esque rallying call when he first meets the players.

That alone would put him ahead of hungry eyes for me. 

[Oisin]

Top 5 things I wanted out of SR:

A premier league club

a goalkeeper (upgrade on Forster)

a strong leader at the back (the replacement for Fonte we never got)

a striker (the replacement for Ings we never got)

a manager to take over the visibly tiring Ralph, playing similar style football, just a bit fresher

 

Absolute unmitigated failure on all of these. They are a f*cking disaster zone and have wasted hundreds of millions in the process. 
 

I fail to see how it could conceivably have gone any worse