Tonda Eckert

[The Wyvern]

Just now, CB Fry said:

A "knee jerk reaction" to getting kicked out of the richest match in world football and being the lead sports news story in the Uk?

Behave yourself.

Angry unhappy man being unhappy and angry I see. 

[CB Fry]

2 minutes ago, The Wyvern said:

Angry unhappy man being unhappy and angry I see. 

You seem you be awfully upset about "the way of the world these days" where cheats get caught and punished. 

Chin up sweetheart x x

[pimpin4rizeal]

2 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

A "knee jerk reaction" to getting kicked out of the richest match in world football and being the lead sports news story in the Uk?

Behave yourself.

Well you could argue without tonda we wouldn’t have been in the play offs anyway ? Look at how will still had us performing.  yet moronic supporters want to cry about this and spin the lottery wheel again  . 
 

get over it and let’s go again next season but it would be hundred times better if we have the man that has took us 20 games unbeaten .

[egg]

19 minutes ago, The Wyvern said:

Completely agree, spot on. Unfortunately the way of the world these days he’ll be either sacked or banned. 
 

Disappointing knee-jerk reaction from so many of our fans though. 

There's nothing knee jerk about it. His position is untenable, and I'm surprised the club didn't act after their investigation and before the 1st panel. He's been brilliant for us, but he can't stay, and I'd imagine the FA will impose a ban anyway. 

 

[Guan 2.0]

As I posted in the expelled thread: 
 

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Tonda, and his staff (and this is presuming there is no ban from the FA) must stay. Because the successful media firestorm has made us toxic, and we won't appoint anyone better. We would be reduced to the retired and the inept. 

I have no doubt Saints will be under huge pressure from the media and Rival clubs to Sack Tonda. I believe this is in no small part due to the fact that we only have to finish 8th next season to reach the play-offs.

If you are involved in any championship club, ensuring that Southampton jettisons a very good manager, while simultaneously being put in a position of trying to hire anyone while radioactive to the world at large would be a number one priority. 

Given this, unless he is banned, I hope we keep Tonda.  
 

[Green]

Siege mentality needed next year, including us fans, right the wrongs on the football pitch, keep Tonda because he’s the best manager we’ve had since Ralph, no more glorious failure, focus on winning games. 

[Morse]

If Tonda still has the backing and respect of the dressing room we would be stupid to sack him. But that's a big 'if'. He has let them down big time. 

[AlexLaw76]

5 minutes ago, Green said:

Siege mentality needed next year, including us fans, right the wrongs on the football pitch, keep Tonda because he’s the best manager we’ve had since Ralph, no more glorious failure, focus on winning games. 

How can you say he is the best manager we have had when he is the ring leader is systemic cheating?

Will Still could have been the best manager since Ralph had he cheating to the same degree....

[CB Fry]

18 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Well you could argue without tonda we wouldn’t have been in the play offs anyway ? Look at how will still had us performing.  yet moronic supporters want to cry about this and spin the lottery wheel again  . 
 

 

In fairness I do argue that here, that's exactly what I'm saying:

1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

On every level none of this would have happened without him so it is difficult.

 

 

[Farmer Saint]

6 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

How can you say he is the best manager we have had when he is the ring leader is systemic cheating?

Will Still could have been the best manager since Ralph had he cheating to the same degree....

Meh, it's such a nothing way of cheating. A manager telling players to try to get others sent off has more material advantage from cheating. Stop being such a pussy.

[pimpin4rizeal]

1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

On every level none of this would have happened without him so it is difficult.

Unfortunately it boils down to the catastrophic decision to send someone to watch a team ahead of a knockout tournament. But that comes from the culture that was created that seemed to make spying a normal / needed way of prepping for matches. All on Tonda. 

What a way to wreck a reputation - his and ours.

The most disappointing thing for me is that the for the first time in a long time the football side of things has been really clicking , even when we made 5-6 changes for sone  games there was hardly any  difference in performance and results, tonda was getting the best out of everyone and sports too was doing sone excellant work in the market .

What’s happened has happened now But there’s no sensible reason to destroy all this good work and what we have at the club at the moment, if we stick with Tonda and spors we will be a big favourite to get promoted next season and like guan says 8th gets playoffs .. let’s not give the media abd the people who want blood a scapegoat and completely shoot ourselves im the foot now . I honestly couldn’t give a fuck what other teams fans think of us either we have had our punishment now , let’s not punish ourselves even more by sacking tonda 

[Willo of Whiteley]

49 minutes ago, The Wyvern said:

Completely agree, spot on. Unfortunately the way of the world these days he’ll be either sacked or banned. 
 

Disappointing knee-jerk reaction from so many of our fans though. 

Could not disagree more.

Knee-jerk reaction?

Reactionary reaction, yes. But completely and utterly justified.

If your business has been brought into disrepute you put distance between you and the problem, well this is a huge f****** problem.

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

Meh, it's such a nothing way of cheating. A manager telling players to try to get others sent off has more material advantage from cheating. Stop being such a pussy.

Either way, he wont be our manager for much longer, that is obvious 

[Farmer Saint]

2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Either way, he wont be our manager for much longer, that is obvious 

Probably not, but if the players and the club can get over it, then I personally wouldn't care.

[Sarnia Cherie]

4 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

The most disappointing thing for me is that the for the first time in a long time the football side of things has been really clicking , even when we made 5-6 changes for sone  games there was hardly any  difference in performance and results, tonda was getting the best out of everyone and sports too was doing sone excellant work in the market .

What’s happened has happened now But there’s no sensible reason to destroy all this good work and what we have at the club at the moment, if we stick with Tonda and spors we will be a big favourite to get promoted next season and like guan says 8th gets playoffs .. let’s not give the media abd the people who want blood a scapegoat and completely shoot ourselves im the foot now . I honestly couldn’t give a fuck what other teams fans think of us either we have had our punishment now , let’s not punish ourselves even more by sacking tonda 

I think the FA will get involved now the EFL inquiry and appeal are over. Tonda's future may not be entirely in our hands. 

[LegalEagle]

Surely the FA are going to ban him anyway so he will have to go and this is a non-argument. The last thing we need is a summer of dispute with the FA and the uncertainty that goes with that. Anyone who is going to face an FA ban should be got rid of right now. We then move on quickly.

[LVSaint]

The club have to wash as much of spygate out of st Mary's as possible. As good as he's been, Tonda can't continue to command the respect of the players (that stay) anymore. Maybe the players can decide with any top brass (who weren't involved) if it'll work out next season. I don't know. He'll probably be banned anyway, taking this out of their hands.

[Turkish]

12 minutes ago, LegalEagle said:

Surely the FA are going to ban him anyway so he will have to go and this is a non-argument. The last thing we need is a summer of dispute with the FA and the uncertainty that goes with that. Anyone who is going to face an FA ban should be got rid of right now. We then move on quickly.

Given they thrown the book at us I expect they will at him as well. The Canada coach got a 12 month ban so expect he’ll get similar 

[Hawkswood]

7 hours ago, The Wyvern said:

If we'd just got a fine from the efl and were playing at Wembley in a couple of days time would you still be calling for him to be sacked? 

I think this is an interesting point. The fallout would obviously be a much more dampened affair and there would be nowhere near as much blowback. But that hasnt happened. He needs to go along with anyone else involved, no questions asked. The reputational damage is immense.

[Sheaf Saint]

Honestly, some of the mental gymnastics going on here 🤦

There is no reasonable scenario where Tonda is still our manager next season. None. It's utterly ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

Whatever talent he might have, he has orchestrated a chain of events that has led to us suffering what is possibly the biggest ever humiliation in English football. And if the reports that came out yesterday about him bullying young interns to break the rules are true, that just makes it ten times worse.

He CANNOT stay. It's that simple.

[Dan Johnson]

Until we get the facts, we have to reserve judgement.

Although there are whisperings and rumors that he's been involved, we still don't have definitive proof, until we get that we cant be reactive.

The facts will determine the outcome, if he is involved he will be sacked or made to leave, that is inevitable as his position will be utterly untenable, regardless of feelings within the football club. 

I'd be gutted for the young man if so, he's obviously extremely talented and he's the first manager in a long time that has the universal backing of all the fans, which has gone a long long way to our on pitch recovery and performance.

 

[Pamplemousse]

From what we've heard, he's to blame. He's the instigator, the trouble maker, the fire starter, he might be Spors' prodigy but this is all self-inflicted and he's toast.

Edited 3 minutes ago by Pamplemousse

[Tom & Gerry]

Tonda is a brilliant driven young coach, meticulous, focused totally on winning, and tries to give his players every detail and advantage. So driven that he lost sight of what was right or wrong. He is  inexperienced as a manager and someone at the club should have tapped him on the shoulder and told him it wasn't right. He will have to go away and hopefully he will learn from this and in time I'd love to have him back.

[Hawkswood]

2 minutes ago, Dan Johnson said:

Until we get the facts, we have to reserve judgement.

Although there are whisperings and rumors that he's been involved, we still don't have definitive proof, until we get that we cant be reactive.

The facts will determine the outcome, if he is involved he will be sacked or made to leave, that is inevitable as his position will be utterly untenable, regardless of feelings within the football club. 

I'd be gutted for the young man if so, he's obviously extremely talented and he's the first manager in a long time that has the universal backing of all the fans, which has gone a long long way to our on pitch recovery and performance.

 

This is fair.

[Morse]

6 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Given they thrown the book at us I expect they will at him as well. The Canada coach got a 12 month ban so expect he’ll get similar 

Could work the other way. Most neutrals think our punishment was harsh, and in mitigation Tonda did put his hands up, so the FA make decide we've suffered enough. 12 month suspended penalty. 

(But who knows, I'm passed trying to second guess these kangaroo courts)