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Posted by Miltonaggro,

Apologies for the war and peace post chaps – bear with or scroll past.  For the last week I have been trying to provide a steer on here as to why I think this silly episode will be concluded with a fine (in the region of £200k) and / or a possible future points deduction (though if I were advising Saints I would appeal this).  Simply that talk of forfeit and bans opens a legal can of worms that is well beyond the remit and scope of both the EFL and / or Middlesbrough FC. The best way to get

What a well thought out post. Thank you

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RedArmy

RedArmy

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2 minutes ago, Cuddles said:

Why have all the posts stopped?

Everyone is busy searching for these so called funny posts from farmer. 
 

It’s a difficult search. 

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Cuddles

Cuddles

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Just now, Turkish said:

All the good posters stopped posting and you can see why

Good I thought Gobbo broke saintsweb for a minute there.

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Turkish

Turkish

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3 minutes ago, Cuddles said:

Good I thought Gobbo broke saintsweb for a minute there.

Gobbo is the type of bloke who blames the cow when his missus fucks the milkman

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6ft8saint

6ft8saint

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1 hour ago, The Kraken said:

What you’re describing is a mitigation factor. 

What seemingly is factual is that our employee was there and he was pointing an iPhone at the Boro players training, which is blatantly against the rules.

Mitigation is important, but the factual basis of “did you break the rules”? is first and foremost. Everyone but the most rose eyed spectalist would tell you we’ve more than likely broke the rules. So there should be a punishment. The mitigations will establish just how much was gained by us / lost by Boro and, one would think, issue a proportional punishment based on that.

It’s the job of the panel to make a judgement based on our response to the EFL’s charges. Some of that will be the gain/loss. Much will be why we there in the first place.

Is he our employee????

I thought he worked for the villa 

Cuddles

Cuddles

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2 minutes ago, 6ft8saint said:

Is he our employee????

I thought he worked for the villa 

I think that was an old article. Whether he is still with us after his latest stint, is another matter.

Saint Pete

Saint Pete

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2 minutes ago, 6ft8saint said:

Is he our employee????

I thought he worked for the villa 

I know there is stuff out there that says he went to Villa but can't honestly think all this would have gone this far if the guy Middlesborough caught is not even a current Saints employee or contractor. Surely??!! 

Saint Pete

Saint Pete

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32 minutes ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

Boro's next gambit. 3 way final. 

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Could be fun to watch to be fair! The yanks would love it, might result in a late change to the rules in the World Cup?

Cuddles

Cuddles

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4 minutes ago, SaintsLoyal said:

Blah blah has this the been on here yet....

 

Saints new crest

 

 

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Haha it looks just like Will Salt (not our fault)

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Whitey Grandad

Whitey Grandad

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1 minute ago, Saint Pete said:

I know there is stuff out there that says he went to Villa but can't honestly think all this would have gone this far if the guy Middlesborough caught is not even a current Saints employee or contractor. Surely??!! 

Unless we're playing rope-a-dope and letting Karen FC have enough rope to hang themselves. 

For me, there are some suspicious timings here. Let's see if I have got this right.  Both Salt and his friend/comrade/ ex-colleague/co-conspirator Taylor(?) deleted their LinkedIn profiles around the same time soon after the story broke. This Taylor fella left Karen FC to join us around Christmas time but left after a couple of months to rejoin Karenbrough. If that's not spying on another team then I don't know what is. He allegedly tells KFC that we do this spying stuff all the time. Surely there was some sort of confidentiality clause or NDA in effect?

The whole business stinks on their side of the public highway. 

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Whitey Grandad

Whitey Grandad

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7 minutes ago, Saint Pete said:

Could be fun to watch to be fair! The yanks would love it, might result in a late change to the rules in the World Cup?

 

41 minutes ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

Boro's next gambit. 3 way final. 

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The women's football would be fun to watch when two of the sides gang up on the other.

Or so I'm led to believe. 

Dirkdiggler

Dirkdiggler

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2 hours ago, coalman said:

It's one of those rumours that's been out there but doesn't seem to be substantiated to any extent.

I would've thought that's a pretty weak point to build any defence around and something that could explode in our faces.

Maybe we have said yes we did send him up but was told not to go past the set 72hr rule. He did that of his own accord but not sure how that would wash? 

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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3 minutes ago, MB said:

Should be it proven that Tonda is behind it, do we sack him?

I think it would be hard not to. Presumably we would attempt to pin it elsewhere though and Tonda said he is eager to talk about it so I assume he isn't just going to fess up to being behind it. 

Cuddles

Cuddles

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4 minutes ago, MB said:

Should be it proven that Tonda is behind it, do we sack him?

Make him pay the fine instead. Obviously give him a new contract first though.

Miltonaggro

Miltonaggro

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2 hours ago, Midfield_General said:

While there's a lull in proceedings, can we focus on the real scandal here? 

Which is that @Miltonaggro has scored a new forum record for reactions to a single post (97 and counting), while clearly gaining an unfair advantage from the deployment of a previously unknown 'moderator's recommended post' feature. 

Where's this feature been for the rest of the season? 

I demand an independent enquiry, and — if found guilty — Miltonaggro's expulsion from the forum. 

Well up for this. See you in Court!

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Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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2 hours ago, Midfield_General said:

While there's a lull in proceedings, can we focus on the real scandal here? 

Which is that @Miltonaggro has scored a new forum record for reactions to a single post (97 and counting), while clearly gaining an unfair advantage from the deployment of a previously unknown 'moderator's recommended post' feature. 

Where's this feature been for the rest of the season? 

I demand an independent enquiry, and — if found guilty — Miltonaggro's expulsion from the forum. 

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Dark Munster

Dark Munster

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2 hours ago, The Kraken said:

What you’re describing is a mitigation factor. 

What seemingly is factual is that our employee was there and he was pointing an iPhone at the Boro players training, which is blatantly against the rules.

Mitigation is important, but the factual basis of “did you break the rules”? is first and foremost. Everyone but the most rose eyed spectalist would tell you we’ve more than likely broke the rules. So there should be a punishment. The mitigations will establish just how much was gained by us / lost by Boro and, one would think, issue a proportional punishment based on that.

It’s the job of the panel to make a judgement based on our response to the EFL’s charges. Some of that will be the gain/loss. Much will be why we there in the first place.

Sigh. No it's not. 

It's only against the rules if you do it less than 72 hours before the match. 

All the people, including some posters here, seem to imply we did something sleazy by sending out an employee to do spying. No we didn't, we messed up by going past an arbitrary window, maybe simply a cock up by not reminding the kid.

And as for "if they find out we did it throughout the season we're in big trouble" ... good grief, spying on clubs outside the 72 hour window is allowed. Do you think they'll dig up that we spied inside the 72 hour exclusion?

This thread be should renamed 72hourgate

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Cuddles

Cuddles

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8 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Middlesbrough will come out of this worse

Yes, they're stuck with Gobbo for a start.

sadoldgit

sadoldgit

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57 minutes ago, SaintsLoyal said:

Blah blah has this the been on here yet....

 

Saints new crest

 

 

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They should wear this on their shirts in the final!

Lord Duckhunter

Lord Duckhunter

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30 minutes ago, Dark Munster said:

All the people, including some posters here, seem to imply we did something sleazy by sending out an employee to do spying. No we didn't, we messed up by going past an arbitrary window, maybe simply a cock up by not reminding the kid.

And as for "if they find out we did it throughout the season we're in big trouble" ... good grief, spying on clubs outside the 72 hour window is allowed. Do you think they'll dig up that we spied inside the 72 hour exclusion?

This thread be should renamed 72hourgate

Don’t talk pony man.

We broke the fucking rules, we knew we were breaking the rules. It wasn’t some sort of timing issue. Thhi pathetic defence of our club is as ridiculous as the Boro over reaction. We are entirely 100% in the wrong, however much people try to dress it up. The only issue now is what is a proportional punishment. 

Dark Munster

Dark Munster

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Just now, Lord Duckhunter said:

Don’t talk pony man.

We broke the fucking rules, we knew we were breaking the rules. It wasn’t some sort of timing issue. Thhi pathetic defence of our club is as ridiculous as the Boro over reaction. We are entirely 100% in the wrong, however much people try to dress it up. The only issue now is what is a proportional punishment. 

Pony. It was a timing issue ONLY. If he had done it more than 72 hours before the match we would not have broken the rules.

 

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DrSuess1979

DrSuess1979

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Not claiming to be in the know in any shape or form.

When he’s dropped me little snippets before  they’ve not be far wrong.

he’s said £4.5m fine 6 points deduction which only applies to the EFL.

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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1 minute ago, DrSuess1979 said:

Not claiming to be in the know in any shape or form.

When he’s dropped me little snippets before  they’ve not be far wrong.

he’s said £4.5m fine 6 points deduction which only applies to the EFL.

How would anyone know? Have they had the hearing yet? I assumed they would be deliberating first prior to any outcome. 

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Saint86

Saint86

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1 hour ago, MB said:

Should be it proven that Tonda is behind it, do we sack him?

Absolutely not. We give him a pay rise and do a "tonda on tour" sticker attack around that filthy  scabby shit hole on the side 🤷

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DH93

DH93

Posted
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19 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

How would anyone know? Have they had the hearing yet? I assumed they would be deliberating first prior to any outcome. 

Hearing began today

DH93

DH93

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4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Maybe so but they wouldn't have the outcome yet would they. 

I mean people talk who knows 🤷

qwertyell

qwertyell

Posted
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1 hour ago, MB said:

Should be it proven that Tonda is behind it, do we sack him?

Depends on the outcome. If it's a fine and we get promoted anyway, who outside of a small patch of the northeast cares?

If we get chucked out and consigned to another year in the Championship, he'll get a better job offer anyway. So we might as well hang on for the compensation.

Of course, he might get a ban, in which case we'll have to move on. 

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