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Posted by Miltonaggro,

Apologies for the war and peace post chaps – bear with or scroll past.  For the last week I have been trying to provide a steer on here as to why I think this silly episode will be concluded with a fine (in the region of £200k) and / or a possible future points deduction (though if I were advising Saints I would appeal this).  Simply that talk of forfeit and bans opens a legal can of worms that is well beyond the remit and scope of both the EFL and / or Middlesbrough FC. The best way to get

What a well thought out post. Thank you

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badgerx16

badgerx16

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Just now, coalman said:

The Karen FC Forum are convinced it's the final nail in our coffin.

They just don't get it; the EFL, a member's club, have brought an action in terms of a potential breach of the club's rules, this is not a criminal, or even civil, Law case, so none of that waffle is relevant.

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Dark Munster

Dark Munster

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Ok, let's summarise. Spying on another team's training is allowed as long as it's 72 hours or more before a match. An intern did it less than 72 hours before the match.

That's f*cking it.

It's like going 5 mph over the speed limit, not driving the wrong way on the motorway or driving blind drunk, FFS.

We all agree expulsion is ludicrous, but some here are saying we can expect a fine and points deduction.

I say fuck a points deduction, that could cost us dearly down the road.

The maximum punishment should be a modest fine and slap on the wrist. Saints should appeal/sue if it's anything more, including any point(s) deduction.

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Whitey Grandad

Whitey Grandad

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Just now, Master Bates said:

[img]https://i.ibb.co/nMTcKb4j/lv-0-20260515185158.jpg[/img]

[img]https://i.ibb.co/Kj3SM0KZ/1778868566507.png[/img]

(hopefully the pics posted)

 

 

Not quite. Just the links at the moment. 

LGTL

LGTL

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I can’t believe the Boro forum think that’s genuine 😂😂😂

I guess ChatGPT hasn’t made its way to Karen FC yet. 

bangkoksaint

bangkoksaint

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We’re going to be okay. I just put in to ChatGPT ‘What are the chances of Southampton not being in the Championship play off final next Saturday’

Pretty much it said we’ll be okay. So there we go, ChatGPT has spoken and we know that’s gospel!

Whitey Grandad

Whitey Grandad

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1 minute ago, LGTL said:

I can’t believe the Boro forum think that’s genuine 😂😂😂

I guess ChatGPT hasn’t made its way to Karen FC yet. 

They even think that photo of a young lad standing behind a tree is genuine. 

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benjii

benjii

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23 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I'm not sure I believe that's the submission. It's are we guilty of what we've been charged with and how egregious was the breach. All that other stuff might factor into a civil suit but is not relevant here. 

Yeah, surely it isn't. Looks like it was written by chat GPT and/or a complete moron.

Toadhall Saint

Toadhall Saint

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Just now, badgerx16 said:

What's the Serbian equivalent to waking up next to a horse's head ?

Gibbo better lock his doors and windows at night.

Aye don’t cross a Serb their vendettas last for generations.

Patrick Bateman

Patrick Bateman

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1 minute ago, badgerx16 said:

What's the Serbian equivalent to waking up next to a horse's head ?

Gibbo better lock his doors and windows at night.

Genuinely this, apparently ...

 

"A Bouquet of Roses (With a Specific Count): Leaving an even number of flowers (traditionally reserved strictly for funerals in Serbia) on someone's doorstep or car hood."

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egg

egg

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41 minutes ago, Danwulfe said:

The rumoured submission

 

 

Not sure where to start with that bollox.. assuming it's genuine. 

The insinuation that 3rd party clubs have been impacted has no place in a submission by Boro, it's for that club.

There's also the suggestion that financial loss has been suffered. I get that it could be, but the suggestion that it has been is nonsense. 

Whilst civil claims may be possible, the tribunal isn't a civil court, so what could theoretically take place on other arenas has no relevance in this arena. 

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Lee On Solent Saint

Lee On Solent Saint

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15 minutes ago, coalman said:

https://fmttmboro.com/index.php?threads/breaking-news.81160/page-115

Fuck me. Is Steve Gibson worshipped as some kind of God up there? The hard on they have for him is beyond fuckin weird. I wonder why none of them have wandered on here and tried to pick a fight? Surely even one of them would be over here if they thought they were going to get us thrown out.

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coalman

coalman

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Just now, kwsaint said:

Just been driving up to Gretna Green so missed the past 3 hours. Can someone catch me up?

There's been lot of noise and made up stuff on the Internet. Public opinion has shifted decisively against Middlesbrough on the BBC HYS after they released a statement complaining they weren't allowed to talk at the hearing. And it's not Middlesbrough FC anymore. It's Karen FC

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Patrick Bateman

Patrick Bateman

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1 minute ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Fuck me. Is Steve Gibson worshipped as some kind of God up there? The hard on they have for hin is beyond fuckin weird.

Can't believe after today I'm saying this, but, in fairness, he did rescue their club from oblivion, build a new stadium, get them some exciting players (in the 90s) etc.  So I get it. 

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coalman

coalman

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1 minute ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Can't believe after today I'm saying this, but, in fairness, he did rescue their club from oblivion, build a new stadium, get them some exciting players (in the 90s) etc.  So I get it. 

Just not a striker in January.

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Wurzel

Wurzel

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8 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

Aye don’t cross a Serb their vendettas last for generations.

Good Luck Gibo.

"Serbian President Aleksandar Vučić has accused United Group co-owner Dragan Šolak, as well as the media outlets in the Group’s composition, of being part of a conspiracy to plan his murder. Vučić denied having made the announcement the very next day, but the recording on his Instagram profile in which he said exactly that remained."

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Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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Just now, Wurzel said:

Good Luck Gibo.

"Serbian President Aleksandar Vučić has accused United Group co-owner Dragan Šolak, as well as the media outlets in the Group’s composition, of being part of a conspiracy to plan his murder. Vučić denied having made the announcement the very next day, but the recording on his Instagram profile in which he said exactly that remained."

Just imagining a Teeside accent in Taggart tones - ‘There’s been a murder like’.

coalman

coalman

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#KarenFCForumWatch

The forum has now turned on Neil Maddison for suggesting that Saints shouldn't be thrown out of the final and liking one or more Finn Azaz "going to Wembley" posts on Instagram. They've finally cottoned on to the "submission" being generated by ChatGPT. Confidence in Gibbo remains high.

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coalman

coalman

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1 minute ago, Saint NL said:

His mum has made fish fingers for dinner?

 

 

I bet his 400 followers are breathless with anticipation.

LGTL

LGTL

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First thing we should be doing after all this nonsense is settled is ban Luke Edwards and all the other cunts that have jumped on this pathetic bandwagon. 

They should never be allowed step foot in St Mary’s again. 

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Appy

Appy

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1 minute ago, Saint NL said:

Oh hang on, here's the update

 

 

 

 

Apparently this geezer is well known for talking bollocks. 

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Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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4 minutes ago, coalman said:

#KarenFCForumWatch

The forum has now turned on Neil Maddison for suggesting that Saints shouldn't be thrown out of the final and liking one or more Finn Azaz "going to Wembley" posts on Instagram. They've finally cottoned on to the "submission" being generated by ChatGPT. Confidence in Gibbo remains high.

I remember Neil Maddison living in Hedge End and his debut goal for us. Good lad.

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Mboto Gorge

Mboto Gorge

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6 minutes ago, coalman said:

#KarenFCForumWatch

The forum has now turned on Neil Maddison for suggesting that Saints shouldn't be thrown out of the final and liking one or more Finn Azaz "going to Wembley" posts on Instagram. They've finally cottoned on to the "submission" being generated by ChatGPT. Confidence in Gibbo remains high.

Stop it 🤣🤣this is too funny 

Appy

Appy

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If I’m a reputable member of the independent panel, I’m definitely letting some info loose to someone called “Teeside Acko” during the process. 

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coalman

coalman

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Just now, Mboto Gorge said:

Stop it 🤣🤣this is too funny 

It's oddly compulsive. Watching two groups of people having meltdowns over different things and having to deal with my own doubts about what is real and what is not.

coalman

coalman

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3 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

I remember Neil Maddison living in Hedge End and his debut goal for us. Good lad.

He may be a good lad, but apparently once "Gibbo" finds out he'll pay the penalty.

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Lallana's Left Peg

Lallana's Left Peg

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Plenty of twists and turns in public content yet but there are just a few things worth bearing in mind in all this - which aren't rocket science:

1. Boro feel aggrieved - as they should - and are using every tool at their disposal to ensure anything they could get out of this, they do.  Saints messed up, Boro are just seeking to capitalise.  They are acting in their best interests, as we would ours.  I don't blame them.

2. They almost certainly know that the incident alone wouldn't result in anything favourable for them as a proportionate punishment, so have worked hard to try and prove it is bigger than incident so they can achieve point 1 above.  To be absolutely clear, I have zero belief they care about the integrity of the game.  They have a charge sheet themselves in the past that makes that clear.  They are out to look after themselves - as every club is.

3. A part of their tactic will be to own the public narrative.  Saints by way of strategy are remaining quiet because they think that helps their cause.  Boro are pumping all sorts out there in order to sway public opinion on the matter.  That is their right.  It's clear the journalists they are using to do this - I don't have an issue with those journalists, because that is the game they play.  They'll be puppets for clubs to garner favour down the line.  That's how the industry works.  They are also using careful language in every article - the usual favourites of 'understands' etc. because that's how nothing gets back to them and they don't actually make claims as facts, they merely speculate.

4. Also remember that the media doesn't care for impartial, balanced reporting.  It survives on negative and sensational news.  This is right up their street.

Saints haven't challenge the charge and need to answer for their breaking of the rules.  They were charged with an incident at Boros training ground.  They are not charged with breaking any other rules, any other time, despite Boro trying very hard to come up with something.

Saints risk, as it has been from the start, is the degree to which this was a planned operation and supported within the club.  They are not denying it happened.  They are not denying it is wrong.  They have to prove who was involved so the panel can determine the type of punishment.

Expect more Boro narrative for a while yet.  They'll continue to go for it, and the media will be delighted to receive their orders because of the interest this is getting.

Saints will receive their punishment and then more fun and games will ensue - either way.

Personally I am gutted the club did this, it's pathetic and quite frankly unnecessary and stupid.  To be put in this situation is disgusting, and if it's bigger than a few people making a silly decision then we deserve all we get.  But don't let the public narrative inform you of a single thing about this case - the truth is the last thing they care about.

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badgerx16

badgerx16

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1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

Can someone clarify. Is the evidence of other spying outside of this instance relevant to this case?

No.

 

Or would they have to bring charges for other spying instances separately? 

Yes

 

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coalman

coalman

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#KarenFCForumWatch

TeessideAcko's post has led to scenes of jubilation among the faithful. Posters were metaphorically dancing in the streets until some wet blanket pointed out the poster is a wind up merchant known for talking bullshit. You join us as the scenes of joy slowly die out and the forum reverts to it's previous steady state of expecting Gibbo to go and sort them.

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Harry_SFC

Harry_SFC

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4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Can someone clarify. Is the evidence of other spying outside of this instance relevant to this case? Or would they have to bring charges for other spying instances separately? 

I don't know for sure but I'd say they'd have to bring other charges.

Midfield_General

Midfield_General

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1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Spin that has been fed to a friendly journalist by Middlesbrough. They can't possibly know what is 'likely' prior to the independent panel that they have no part in. 

We already know that that scenario is bollocks. 

Could we get kicked out? It's possible, but extremely unlikely. 

But let's just say the verdict from the panel is expulsion. In that scenario, the next step is an immediate appeal by Saints — which is permitted under EFL rules — and in that scenario the final gets postponed until such time as the appeal has played out, which could take months, and which would open an enormous financial, logistical and legal can of worms for everyone involved. The EFL, Saints, Boro, MIllwall, Wrexham, Wembley, individuals who've bought the tickets which are now readily on sale, etc etc. 

There is literally no scenario where Saints get kicked out, the club justs accept it, and as part of that process Boro are immediately asked to step forward to play in the final on the 23rd instead of us.

Not one. 

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AlexLaw76

AlexLaw76

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5 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Can someone clarify. Is the evidence of other spying outside of this instance relevant to this case? Or would they have to bring charges for other spying instances separately? 

But it could provide some evidence that this incident was not a singleton and was planned/orchestrated (systemic), and likely known by those with more influence.

remember, we stated this person was "acting alone"

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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3 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

 

No idea if that's true or not but if it is, would those articles saying "if Southampton are proven to have done this multiple times they will be kicked out" a load of bollocks then because this hearing will just be looking at if we have broken these two rules and not charges of systemic spying? 

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