Four days later - should Saints still sack Tonda?

[Cuddles]

Four days have passed since the last poll, how do you feel now?

[Saint86]

Now you've done it...

[markr27]

Does this topic represent an appeal to the original thread's poll results? 🤔 

Edited 2 hours ago by markr27

[Cuddles]

3 minutes ago, markr27 said:

Does this topic represent an appeal to the original thread's poll results? 🤔 

Absloutely, but unlike the EFL, you get more than 24 hours to appeal 😂

[SNSUN]

I'm undecided. Ask again in 4 days.

[Golac's Iron Gonads]

Nothing has changed in my mind, we keep the best manager we've had in a decade. As long as the players are happy to continue playing for him and the club. I'm sure some of them will use our rule breaking sins as a reason to get a move, but I'm also sure they would have been making the same decision had we failed to get promoted. Had we got promoted a couple would still have been fancying their chances at a bigger club. Regardless, who stays, how we strengthen is another conversation. We need a good manager and the appointments SR have made have been shockers, even Russell Martin only managed 27 wins and he got us promoted!

[Wade Garrett]

Yes, he fucked us over by wanting to unfairly know who would be lining up against us.

Can’t be bothered to write any more reasons.  There are many though.

[USaintA]

He cheats, he spies, he keeps his interns in disguise...

Er, anyway, no. Keep him and invest in much better surveillance equipment.

[Cuddles]

5 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Yes, he fucked us over by wanting to unfairly know who would be lining up against us.

Can’t be bothered to write any more reasons.  There are many though.

That's cool, understood. I think everyone has had their say on the other thread anyway, this is more an updated visual representation.

[Turkish]

Keep him as a big 🖕🏼 to everyone 

[Pamplemousse]

I just think it would be best for everyone to move on and for us to make a fresh start

[WinglessWonder]

Well, there are rumours that several Italian clubs (including Milan & Juve) are keeping tabs so maybe it's worth holding onto him and maybe getting a wedge if compo. Every little helps and all that! 

[SNSUN]

We could get a fake manager in (a placebo manager if you will) that pretends to be our manager, but really we keep Tonda on, stick him in the Sammy Saint costume and have him linger around the fake manager on match days dishing out the advice. Nobody will ever know.

[Football Special]

7 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Keep him as a big 🖕🏼 to everyone 

This. 

TIFO first game of the season , Tonda giving the finger towards Gibson, EFL , Mr Neutral David Winnie , Henry Winter and Troy Deeney 

Edited 1 hour ago by Football Special

[trousers]

3 minutes ago, SNSUN said:

We could get a fake manager in (a placebo manager if you will) that pretends to be our manager, but really we keep Tonda on, stick him in the Sammy Saint costume and have him linger around the fake manager on match days dishing out the advice. Nobody will ever know.

Ha... Great minds and all that.... When this first kicked off I did ponder if any FA sanction ends up just applying to first team activities, then chuck him back in the U21s and surreptitiously wire him up for training and match days... Not that I'm condoning cheating of course....

Edited 1 hour ago by trousers

[Football Special]

1 minute ago, trousers said:

Ha... Great minds and all that.... When this first kicked off I did ponder if any FA sanction ends up just applying to first team activities, then chuck him back in the U21s and wire him up for training and match days....

Remember Jose Mourinho  on a ban got into the changing room being wheeled in in a laundry basket covered by training kit 

[Mk1J]

5 minutes ago, SNSUN said:

We could get a fake manager in (a placebo manager if you will) that pretends to be our manager, but really we keep Tonda on, stick him in the Sammy Saint costume and have him linger around the fake manager on match days dishing out the advice. Nobody will ever know.

“Daddy, why is Sammy Saint staring at me?”

[Harry_SFC]

Still no, if the players want to play for him that is (and he isn't banned).

If the above happens and he makes a genuine apology then let's crack on and prepare for next season. 

[lambtiss]

He's a good manager, keep him.

[SNSUN]

18 minutes ago, trousers said:

Ha... Great minds and all that.... When this first kicked off I did ponder if any FA sanction ends up just applying to first team activities, then chuck him back in the U21s and surreptitiously wire him up for training and match days... Not that I'm condoning cheating of course....

Tonda watching the game covertly after we go 3 down against QPR...

[Sheaf Saint]

There seems to be a lot of heart over head going on with this topic (who'd have guessed football fans could be passionate and irrational, eh!)

As much as I would like to keep him on for his ability, his position is simply untenable given everything that came out of the hearing. 

It's not so much the fact that he was breaking rules. It's more that he wasn't clever enough to do it without getting caught, and that cost the club the chance of promotion. 

There's no way he could possibly survive that in any other industry.

Edited 1 hour ago by Sheaf Saint

[saintwbu]

2 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

There seems to be a lot of heart over head going on with this topic (who'd have guessed football fans could be passionate and irrational, eh!)

As much as I would like to keep him on for his ability, his position is simply untenable given everything that came out of the hearing. 

It's not so much the fact that he was breaking rules. It's more that he wasn't clever enough to do it without getting caught, and that cost the club the chance of promotion. 

There's no way he could possibly survive that in any other industry.

That’s the thing though, this isn’t any other industry - Football is probably the industry to be in if you want previous transgressions to be forgotten 

[trousers]

3 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

There seems to be a lot of heart over head going on with this topic (who'd have guessed football fans could be passionate and irrational, eh!)

As much as I would like to keep him on for his ability, his position is simply untenable given everything that came out of the hearing. 

It's not so much the fact that he was breaking rules. It's more that he wasn't clever enough to do it without getting caught, and that cost the club the chance of promotion. 

There's no way he could possibly survive that in any other industry.

Yep, definitely heart v head for me.... I started off listening to my head, but now my heart has taken over.... Or is it the other way around....?!

[Sheaf Saint]

Just now, saintwbu said:

That’s the thing though, this isn’t any other industry - Football is probably the industry to be in if you want previous transgressions to be forgotten 

Yeah I suppose. That or politics.

[Turkish]

5 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

There seems to be a lot of heart over head going on with this topic (who'd have guessed football fans could be passionate and irrational, eh!)

As much as I would like to keep him on for his ability, his position is simply untenable given everything that came out of the hearing. 

It's not so much the fact that he was breaking rules. It's more that he wasn't clever enough to do it without getting caught, and that cost the club the chance of promotion. 

There's no way he could possibly survive that in any other industry.

Football isn’t like any other industry. It’s corrupt as fuck from top to bottom. I was definitely in the Tonda out at first but i say I keep him, fuck everyone else 

[The Oggmonster]

That's a landslide

[CylonKing]

If the players are happy, stick!

[AlexLaw76]

Fuck it, I am going to shift to Tonda IN. 

He shouldn't given what he is central to regarding the lost opportunity, which has given us 1 season in a stronger league to get it right, or we are down for a generation.

But, my faith is Sports Republic to remotely get it right is at around 1%

[Gloucester Saint]

27 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

There's no way he could possibly survive that in any other industry.

Or football club, in England at any rate. As you say, the FA enquiry will make it untenable and he will be the EFL’s price for closing the book on 25/26.

[saint francis]

If we'd been fined like Bielsa's team was, I doubt the question would exist.  Despite the shit show, he got the players playing.  Deep breath.  Get them playing again and fight!  

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, saint francis said:

If we'd been fined like Bielsa's team was, I doubt the question would exist.  Despite the shit show, he got the players playing.  Deep breath.  Get them playing again and fight!  

but we were not and the game was different this time because of Bielsa

[BARCELONASAINT]

Its only the stuck up English that have a major problem with whats he's done, the rest of the world really don't care!

[saintant]

7 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Fuck it, I am going to shift to Tonda IN. 

He shouldn't given what he is central to regarding the lost opportunity, which has given us 1 season in a stronger league to get it right, or we are down for a generation.

But, my faith is Sports Republic to remotely get it right is at around 1%

Wow, that's a shocker 🙂

[saint francis]

5 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

but we were not and the game was different this time because of Bielsa

True, plenty were expecting a fine though.  I don't think any of us or anyone in the football world expected sanctions to be this harsh.  It was the harshness that got us all hysterical rather than the offense itself imo.  The spying was a ridiculous error but an easy one to correct.  If we push on in the same way we finished this season we've got a good season ahead imo, with Tonda.  

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, saint francis said:

True, plenty were expecting a fine though.  I don't think any of us or anyone in the football world expected sanctions to be this harsh.  It was the harshness that got us all hysterical rather than the offense itself imo.  The spying was a ridiculous error but an easy one to correct.  If we push on in the same way we finished this season we've got a good season ahead imo, with Tonda.  

But we are biased and generally have no clue (as reality has demonstrated). There were plenty in the footballing world demanding us to be severely punished/kicked out, we just ignored or mocked them

[SaintJakko]

31 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Football isn’t like any other industry. It’s corrupt as fuck from top to bottom. I was definitely in the Tonda out at first but i say I keep him, fuck everyone else 

Couldn’t agree more. There isn’t any integrity in the sport, anyone that says that I’m afraid is a loser this day and age. Long has gone those days, this is the sport. We either ride with it or get left behind.
 

If the players are happy to stick around with Tonda at the helm, I’m all for it. Siege mentality. Fuck the rest. 

We wouldn’t have even been in this position if Tonda did not work a miracle to get us to the play offs to begin with.

I am all in. Being the nice club gets us no where. 

[Football Special]

Can someone get the result of this poll to the FAB and other saints influencers so they can feed it back to the club 

the people have spoken. 

[Convict Colony]

I said keep him.

seems like a really good manager and players enjoy him and agree with the narrative to tell every other motherfucker to fuck off, happy to be the bad guy and win.

Regarding the spying thing he probably thought everyone's doing it hence telling the intern to get on with it.

Maybe Tonda is right and loads of teams are doing it but we were only caught by boro and ispwich/Oxford we weren't until we were compromised by the comms of ex employee.

Who knows what other spy's lurk out there 

Edited 22 minutes ago by Convict Colony

[SNSUN]

I'll wait for the "28 Days Later" thread before I cast my real final vote.

[trousers]

20 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

But we are biased and generally have no clue (as reality has demonstrated). There were plenty with connections to Middlesbrough (and the footballing guru Troy Deeney) demanding us to be severely punished/kicked out, we just ignored or mocked them

Fixed it for you

[Turkish]

18 minutes ago, SaintJakko said:

Couldn’t agree more. There isn’t any integrity in the sport, anyone that says that I’m afraid is a loser this day and age. Long has gone those days, this is the sport. We either ride with it or get left behind.
 

If the players are happy to stick around with Tonda at the helm, I’m all for it. Siege mentality. Fuck the rest. 

We wouldn’t have even been in this position if Tonda did not work a miracle to get us to the play offs to begin with.

I am all in. Being the nice club gets us no where. 

Hasn’t it been proven that in the 1992 olympics that Ben Johnson got banned for 6 of the 8 finalists were doping but never got caught. Carl Lewis who was the golden boy of USA athletics had got in trouble just before the Olympics but got away with it somehow. Everyone cheats but not all cheats get caught. Many get dismissed as just trying to gain an advantage 

[SaintJakko]

7 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Hasn’t it been proven that in the 1992 olympics that Ben Johnson got banned for 6 of the 8 finalists were doping but never got caught. Carl Lewis who was the golden boy of USA athletics had got in trouble just before the Olympics but got away with it somehow. Everyone cheats but not all cheats get caught. Many get dismissed as just trying to gain an advantage 

Exactly, it is all about bending the rules in your favour and, the big one, getting away with it. You are only a loser and cheat when you get caught. Those that don’t try, well.. then they are just losers because the rest are cheating! Whether that’s on the pitch or in the books.. it all goes on! None in my eyes is worse than the other. 
 

Until everyone else starts playing fairly, why the fuck should we? 

[Miltonaggro]

Depends on ze sveet FA...