Tonda Eckert

[DT]

Charlie Austin saying he should be suspended on Talksport. 'They really need to hammer this home'. Wanker.

[egg]

10 hours ago, obelisk said:

The difference is that Saints have erected fences in order to stop other clubs scouts getting a look whereas Gibbo's lot were doing their work in public. It's about time that the pearl clutchers got a grip.

It's quite amusing that people are clutching at straws, but going on about pearl clutching. 

[DT]

My bet is they will suspend Tonda today for up to 6 games. ie a touchline ban. If only we had committed widespread fraud for decades we would have got away with it. But a boy in a tree is a lynchable offence.

Edited 3 hours ago by DT

[Wade Garrett]

2 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

What don't you believe?

I don’t disbelieve, just don’t agree.

[obelisk]

5 minutes ago, egg said:

It's quite amusing that people are clutching at straws, but going on about pearl clutching. 

What straw would that be old chap?

[Thereisonlyonemickychannon]

10 minutes ago, DT said:

Charlie Austin saying he should be suspended on Talksport. 'They really need to hammer this home'. Wanker.

I liked him up until now. Prize prick!

[Weston Super Saint]

2 minutes ago, obelisk said:

What straw would that be old chap?

Oh God, don't get you know who started on straw man arguments.

[Whitey Grandad]

Has he been banned yet? 

[Wade Garrett]

12 minutes ago, DT said:

Charlie Austin saying he should be suspended on Talksport. 'They really need to hammer this home'. Wanker.

Maybe they should have hammered it home when Bielsa proudly admitted spying on every team in the division.  And before anyone says he didn’t break any rules, he broke the one about clubs behaving towards each other and the league in utmost good faith.

 Charlie Austin has had an issue with the club since leaving because he was fucking shite.  He’s a thick twat.

[Oldandtired]

2 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

What don't you believe?

I think most will answer pretty much everything you say..

[sfc4prem]

4 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Maybe they should have hammered it home when Bielsa proudly admitted spying on every team in the division.  And before anyone says he didn’t break any rules, he broke the one about clubs behaving towards each other and the league in utmost good faith.

 Charlie Austin has had an issue with the club since leaving because he was fucking shite.  He’s a thick twat.

Charlie Austin has, and always will be, a wind-up merchant of the highest order.

Still remember his celebrations against us when playing for Swindon.

[DT]

6 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Maybe they should have hammered it home when Bielsa proudly admitted spying on every team in the division.  And before anyone says he didn’t break any rules, he broke the one about clubs behaving towards each other and the league in utmost good faith.

 Charlie Austin has had an issue with the club since leaving because he was fucking shite.  He’s a thick twat.

Classy guy, Charlie Austin.

 

Austin was found guilty of assault in 2013 after he punched a man who had accused him of taking drugs in a Swindon nightclub toilet cubicle.^[77] He was fined £1,801 and ordered to pay £1,320 in costs.^[77][78]

[revolution saint]

23 minutes ago, DT said:

Charlie Austin saying he should be suspended on Talksport. 'They really need to hammer this home'. Wanker.

I don't listen to Talksport but I've no problem with Charlie Austin being suspended from it.

[Fabrice29]

People getting wound up by a wind up merchant employed by a wind up radio station. (That said, it’s not exactly the most outrageous opinion)

Edited 3 hours ago by Fabrice29

[Saint86]

20 minutes ago, DT said:

My bet is they will suspend Tonda today for up to 6 games. ie a touchline ban. If only we had committed widespread fraud for decades we would have got away with it. But a boy in a tree is a lynchable offence.

Are we expecting a decision today? I was assuming there is still at least a week to go with this, likely more 😕

[hypochondriac]

Just now, Fabrice29 said:

People getting wound up by a wind up merchant employed by a wind up radio station.

Would be even worse if you listened to it on one of these 

[hypochondriac]

Just now, Saint86 said:

Are we expecting a decision today? I was assuming there is still at least a week to go with this, likely more 😕

Surely if they are banning him they would prefer to do it prior to the first game because it will make them look worse. 

[Starksj1995]

12 hours ago, MB said:

Being announced tomorrow apparently

You mean Friday or Saturday 

[Starksj1995]

11 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

If that's true I assume the club already know what it's leaning towards. Is it a coincidence that the echo and solent are all there along with Solak? Can we read much into the fact that Tonda hasn't done much in the way of interviews this week?

Yes it is they were there last year at the summer camp 

[hypochondriac]

7 minutes ago, Starksj1995 said:

You mean Friday or Saturday 

Not sure what you mean by that. FA unlikely to announce it on a Saturday. He clearly meant it would be released today but no idea how reliable that poster is. 

6 minutes ago, Starksj1995 said:

Yes it is they were there last year at the summer camp 

I'm aware they were there last year. 

[Turkish]

9 minutes ago, Starksj1995 said:

You mean Friday or Saturday 

He said it yesterday so today. MB is pretty reliable so i'd trust this.

[Farmer Saint]

6 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Not sure what you mean by that. FA unlikely to announce it on a Saturday. He clearly meant it would be released today but no idea how reliable that poster is. 

I'm aware they were there last year. 

MB is reliable.

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

MB is reliable.

I know he's had a previous track record of ITK results. Let's hope he's on the money with this one so we can know either way. 

[die Mannyschaft]

30 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Would be even worse if you listened to it on one of these 

Used to have pocket radio to pickup scores at matched. There still is a rastafarean Palace fan who has a getto blaster on his sholder blasting music.

[egg]

40 minutes ago, Turkish said:

He said it yesterday so today. MB is pretty reliable so i'd trust this.

With the season starting in 15 days and 14 days to appeal. Gulp. 

[sfc4prem]

2 minutes ago, egg said:

With the season starting in 15 days and 14 days to appeal. Gulp. 

Just imagine he gets banned for the whole season, and the appeal is rejected. 

We then appoint Adam Lallana as the manager.

It is rarely boring being a Saints fan!

[egg]

1 minute ago, sfc4prem said:

Just imagine he gets banned for the whole season, and the appeal is rejected. 

We then appoint Adam Lallana as the manager.

It is rarely boring being a Saints fan!

I don't think it'll be a season. I'm still thinking 8-12. 8 I think he stays, any more I think he goes sadly. Let's see, MB has a decent track record so today may well be D-day. 

[TheSoundman]

You'd hope SR have a plan for all possibilities...

[steve green]

Just now, TheSoundman said:

You'd hope SR have a plan for all possibilities...

 

A bloke called Baldrick (known for his cunning, and turnips) was employed for this very purpose.

[Cuddles]

Me today 

[Colinjb]

17 minutes ago, TheSoundman said:

You'd hope SR have a plan for all possibilities...

As long as its SR not Phil Parsons. He would probably be suggesting the length of the suspension to the FA to try and sway leniency.

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

25 minutes ago, egg said:

With the season starting in 15 days and 14 days to appeal. Gulp. 

Arguably season starts even earlier. EFL is in 15 days, but Colchester in only 8 days away! Hope we also take this game seriously, a) because I'm convinced our winning cup run and that reinforcement of the winning mentality helped us in the league last season and b) I'm going!

Of all the rumours, a touchline ban makes the most sense. A fine and we just up his wages to cover it.

[Saint86]

30 minutes ago, egg said:

I don't think it'll be a season. I'm still thinking 8-12. 8 I think he stays, any more I think he goes sadly. Let's see, MB has a decent track record so today may well be D-day. 

Imagine the reaction from our North eastern admirers if he does get an 8-10game touchline ban, we have the audacity to go against their wishes and don't sack him, and then we charge into the playoffs again over the second half of the season and get promoted 😄

Getting promoted via Wembley is the best way to go up anyway 😌

Edited 1 hour ago by Saint86

[Fabrice29]

MB was telling everyone he'd heard Tonda had gone 2 months ago so not sure how reliable he is actually  But will of course be bang on now obviously.

[Saint86]

Just now, Fabrice29 said:

MB was telling everyone he'd heard Tonda had gone 2 months ago so not sure how reliable he is actually  But will of course be bang on now obviously.

In fairness to MB, I reckon there was a lot of very strong view points flying around behind the scenes back then, and at one point most of the fanbase had turned on Eckert. Credit to the brave few on here that stood up for him and started to turn the tide I say 😌

[Turkish]

42 minutes ago, egg said:

I don't think it'll be a season. I'm still thinking 8-12. 8 I think he stays, any more I think he goes sadly. Let's see, MB has a decent track record so today may well be D-day. 

the mighty Chatgpt tells me this, although spying is a completely different case

 

• 1–3 match bans are the norm for managers.
• 5 matches is considered very severe.
• 9 matches (José Mourinho) is widely regarded as the harshest modern Premier League stadium ban for a manager.

Edited 1 hour ago by Turkish

[sandwichsaint]

4-6 game ban ‘fair’

7-10 games harsh

more than 10 games, absolutely ridiculous.

Considering the club has already been hugely whacked I’m hoping for four games.

[Turkish]

7 minutes ago, sandwichsaint said:

4-6 game ban ‘fair’

7-10 games harsh

more than 10 games, absolutely ridiculous.

Considering the club has already been hugely whacked I’m hoping for four games.

You'd hope so but given the hammering we got as a club maybe they will see this as the precedent that is set and absolutely go in on Tonda too. Lets face it they hammer the smaller clubs with points deductions for other things whilst the big clubs do what they want so there is a precedent here already, albeit not for this specific "crime"

[Matthew Le God]

27 minutes ago, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said:

Of all the rumours, a touchline ban makes the most sense. A fine and we just up his wages to cover it.

Why would the club do that? Eckert if fined should pay for it himself!

[Oldandtired]

7 minutes ago, Turkish said:

You'd hope so but given the hammering we got as a club maybe they will see this as the precedent that is set and absolutely go in on Tonda too. Lets face it they hammer the smaller clubs with points deductions for other things whilst the big clubs do what they want so there is a precedent here already, albeit not for this specific "crime"

Isn't Bielsa the precedent? 

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, Oldandtired said:

Isn't Bielsa the precedent? 

No

[WinglessWonder]

2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

No

Why not? He was guilty of the same offence that Eckert has been charged with (arguably his misdemeanours were worse because he admitted he had been doing it all season) so one would assume that any punishment should be similar.

[Window Cleaner]

Just now, WinglessWonder said:

Why not? He was guilty of the same offence that Eckert has been charged with (arguably his misdemeanours were worse because he admitted he had been doing it all season) so one would assume that any punishment should be similar.

No, spying on other clubs within 72 hours of an upcoming match against them wasn't a specific offence at that time. Bielsa and Leeds were charged with not treating other clubs respectfully. Here is a case of specific misconduct and bringing the game into disrepute.

[LordHester]

4 minutes ago, Window Cleaner said:

No, spying on other clubs within 72 hours of an upcoming match against them wasn't a specific offence at that time. Bielsa and Leeds were charged with not treating other clubs respectfully. Here is a case of specific misconduct and bringing the game into disrepute.

It's a specific EFL rule; the FA rules haven't changed since Bielsa admitted spying on a much larger scale.

[sadoldgit]

4 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

Baffling anyone still thinks any of this is a defence. Especially when clearly spelling out the rule we’ve broken yourself 😂

The biggest factor here is that every club has access to every game that the opposition plays. How many clubs change the way they play all of the time? How many new fangled set pieces do they use? 
Every man and his dog knew exactly how Russell Martin’s team would be set up and play without looking at a training session 72 hours before a match. Everyone knows what a team is going to be an hour before the game. 
As has been said a hundred times, the EFL are the only league management organisation who have this rule. Why? Because it is a load of bollox and they reacted badly to a previous Spygate episode.

Why do it then? All I can imagine is that Eckert is on the spectrum and has an obsession with detail that goes beyond what most of us would consider reasonable.

To state the obvious, matches last for 90 minutes plus. If you can’t work out how to beat the opposition as the game develops then perhaps coaching isn’t for you.

The kicker for me is the number of sensible seasoned pros who have come and said that this really isn’t a big deal. It really isn’t and if it was it would be banned world wide and this probably would never have happened.

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by sadoldgit

[WinglessWonder]

1 minute ago, Window Cleaner said:

No, spying on other clubs within 72 hours of an upcoming match against them wasn't a specific offence at that time. Bielsa and Leeds were charged with not treating other clubs respectfully. Here is a case of specific misconduct and bringing the game into disrepute.

That was an EFL rule that was brought in after the Bielsa incident and is what the club was sanctioned under. The FA rule regarding disrepute and misconduct has been in place for over 20 years now and this is what Tonda Eckert is being charged under. Bielsa received (I believe) a fine & a warning sona precedent has indeed been set

[TheSoundman]

Arguably (puts tin hat on), Eckert's breach is worse than Bielsa's.

The FA are charging TE with disrepute and misconduct. Eckert 'knowingly breached an EFL rule that was in place, Bielsa didn't breach any rules because there weren't any.

On that basis you could easily argue for a stronger punishment for TE (if you wanted to).

[Turkish]

18 minutes ago, WinglessWonder said:

Why not? He was guilty of the same offence that Eckert has been charged with (arguably his misdemeanours were worse because he admitted he had been doing it all season) so one would assume that any punishment should be similar.

There wasn’t a offence for this when Bielsa got charged. This has been done to death. We might not like it but that’s the facts 

[Weston Super Saint]

25 minutes ago, Oldandtired said:

Isn't Bielsa the precedent? 

No. That's Trump. Or Infantino.

[Wade Garrett]

5 minutes ago, TheSoundman said:

Arguably (puts tin hat on), Eckert's breach is worse than Bielsa's.

The FA are charging TE with disrepute and misconduct. Eckert 'knowingly breached an EFL rule that was in place, Bielsa didn't breach any rules because there weren't any.

On that basis you could easily argue for a stronger punishment for TE (if you wanted to).

Eckert said it wasn’t knowingly, same as Bielsa did.