Tonda Eckert

[trousers]

Alas, I'm almost convinced there has to be a negative angle as to why he hasn't signed a new contract yet. 

Surely, the obvious (and perfect) timing to have signed a new contract was immediately after the FA 'pardon'...? Sticking two fingers up to the EFL and 'marching on' regardless...

But, no... We have Spors deploying the textbook "there's no rush" management deflection technique. 

Maybe I'm just a cynical old fool, and a new contract signing is in the offing but, until then, I'll still continue to be sceptical as to why it's not already done and dusted. I simply can't see a reason to arbitrarily delay matters....

Edited Saturday at 09:55 by trousers

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, trousers said:

Alas, I'm almost convinced there has to be a negative angle as to why he hasn't signed a new contract yet. 

Surely, the obvious (and perfect) timing to have signed a new contract was immediately after the FA 'pardon'... Sticking two fingers up to the EFL and 'marching on' regardless...

But, no... We have Spors deploying the textbook "there's no rush" management deflection technique. 

Maybe I'm just a cynical old fool, and a new contract signing is in the offing but, until then, I'll still continue to be sceptical as to why it's not already done and dusted. I simply can't see a reason to arbitrarily delay matters....

I'm hoping it's done during the international break.

[macca155]

3 minutes ago, trousers said:

Alas, I'm almost convinced there has to be a negative angle as to why he hasn't signed a new contract yet. 

Surely, the obvious (and perfect) timing to have signed a new contract was immediately after the FA 'pardon'...? Sticking two fingers up to the EFL and 'marching on' regardless...

But, no... We have Spors deploying the textbook "there's no rush" management deflection technique. 

Maybe I'm just a cynical old fool, and a new contract signing is in the offing but, until then, I'll still continue to be sceptical as to why it's not already done and dusted. I simply can't see a reason to arbitrarily delay matters....

I wouldn't blame him for wanting to get back to Germany, especially after this year's horrors. His family are there, and a big club will be calling soon.

However I also think he has a laser focus on achieving promotion this year. He won't want anything to detract from that.

I have resolved to enjoy the ride while he's here.

[Saint86]

10 minutes ago, trousers said:

Alas, I'm almost convinced there has to be a negative angle as to why he hasn't signed a new contract yet. 

Surely, the obvious (and perfect) timing to have signed a new contract was immediately after the FA 'pardon'...? Sticking two fingers up to the EFL and 'marching on' regardless...

But, no... We have Spors deploying the textbook "there's no rush" management deflection technique. 

Maybe I'm just a cynical old fool, and a new contract signing is in the offing but, until then, I'll still continue to be sceptical as to why it's not already done and dusted. I simply can't see a reason to arbitrarily delay matters....

I wouldn't be that surprised if he does his bit to get us promoted (make up for last year), and then decides to go for a fresh start. Would be gutting though - if he can take us up into the prem then I reckon he can really build something over a few years.

But let's not get ahead of ourselves. 3 points this weekend, and then promotion are the goals... Anything to do with Tonda longer term is tomorrow's problem.

Edited Saturday at 10:05 by Saint86

[Toadhall Saint]

2 hours ago, Harry_SFC said:

Does anyone else have this nagging feeling that Tonda has been lined up for a bigish job in Germany when his contract runs out in the summer?

His family all still over there and he's clearly a very very good manager.

Someone earlier in the thread suggested otherwise re wife and child.

[WALK DMC]

49 minutes ago, trousers said:

Alas, I'm almost convinced there has to be a negative angle as to why he hasn't signed a new contract yet. 

Surely, the obvious (and perfect) timing to have signed a new contract was immediately after the FA 'pardon'...? Sticking two fingers up to the EFL and 'marching on' regardless...

But, no... We have Spors deploying the textbook "there's no rush" management deflection technique. 

Maybe I'm just a cynical old fool, and a new contract signing is in the offing but, until then, I'll still continue to be sceptical as to why it's not already done and dusted. I simply can't see a reason to arbitrarily delay matters....

Maybe I'm a naive old fool, but I'm not surprised by the delay and remain unconcerned with the absence of a formal agreement. 

Contracts can take ages to negotiate and sign off. They require multiple contract lawyers to assess, amendments to be discussed and agreed which adds time even when both parties are keen to get it over the line. 

Before the FA decision, I'd be surprised if either party had the desire to sit down and agree the finer details while the possibility of Tonda being banned was still there. I suspect that there was a gentleman's agreement to agree a new contract once the FA decision were known, but it will take time to formally agree.

Of course, there are dangers with this approach (see Ross Stewart), but for now I remain confident that a deal will be signed. 

[HKsaint]

There is no loyalty in these years. You see Stewart is an example.  

[AlexLaw76]

1 hour ago, HKsaint said:

There is no loyalty in these years. You see Stewart is an example.  

He had a contract, he stayed during his contract, we clearly did not want him in the premier league...hence why we left it till the last min to sign him up...

Little loyalty shown by the club.....

[davefizzy14]

2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

I'm hoping it's done during the international break.

This is what I'm hoping🤞

[Lord Duckhunter]

2 hours ago, Saint86 said:

I wouldn't be that surprised if he does his bit to get us promoted (make up for last year), and then decides to go for a fresh start.

You don’t half come out with some old bollocks, a shire horse of pony. A young inexperienced manager is going to get promoted to the richest, biggest, most high profile league in the world and say, “nah, not for me, I need a fresh start”. 😂

[Lighthouse]

Probably worth pointing out that our ‘best manager since Koeman’ does actually need to deliver promotion before any Bundesliga giants try and tear him away from us. Finishing the season 5th-8th behind a couple of teams like Stoke and West Brom ain’t gonna cut it.

[sfc4prem]

17 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

Probably worth pointing out that our ‘best manager since Koeman’ does actually need to deliver promotion before any Bundesliga giants try and tear him away from us. Finishing the season 5th-8th behind a couple of teams like Stoke and West Brom ain’t gonna cut it.

He's got it wrong a few times recently.

[bangkoksaint]

I don’t want to see a situation that the FA had with Tuchel, they offered him a new contract before the WC and he failed miserably. I like TE and yes he’s been decent but if he doesn’t get us up is he the right person for next season when our squad will be very different? If he does get us up then I expect he’d want to stay and the club would too. Not so sure it’s such an easy decision all round

[St. Ciervo]

Would you rather we take a gamble with another Will Still AND a bad squad? I dont think so. Pay the man. 

[CB Fry]

6 hours ago, St. Ciervo said:

Would you rather we take a gamble with another Will Still AND a bad squad? I dont think so. Pay the man. 

Pay him what? The going rate for a top Championship manager or the going rate for a Premier League manager? How long for, what if we go up, what if we don't.

Whatever is happening will be more complicated/technical than your implication that we just don't want to pay him.

 

[benali-shorts]

11 hours ago, bangkoksaint said:

I don’t want to see a situation that the FA had with Tuchel, they offered him a new contract before the WC and he failed miserably. I like TE and yes he’s been decent but if he doesn’t get us up is he the right person for next season when our squad will be very different? If he does get us up then I expect he’d want to stay and the club would too. Not so sure it’s such an easy decision all round

"failed miserably"? 3rd place?

[Toadhall Saint]

12 hours ago, bangkoksaint said:

I don’t want to see a situation that the FA had with Tuchel, they offered him a new contract before the WC and he failed miserably. I like TE and yes he’s been decent but if he doesn’t get us up is he the right person for next season when our squad will be very different? If he does get us up then I expect he’d want to stay and the club would too. Not so sure it’s such an easy decision all round

Decent? 

[bangkoksaint]

17 minutes ago, benali-shorts said:

"failed miserably"? 3rd place?

It's all relative. If I tender for a contract and come 3rd then I consider I've failed miserably. Nobody remembers third place. If we lose in the PO final will that be success?

[benali-shorts]

4 minutes ago, bangkoksaint said:

It's all relative. If I tender for a contract and come 3rd then I consider I've failed miserably. Nobody remembers third place. If we lose in the PO final will that be success?

I would say it’s less binary than winning the World Cup or “failed miserably”. 

[AlexLaw76]

if we dont go up, Tonda would be wise to ditch us....it wont be pretty next season in this league

[Patrick Bateman]

21 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

if we dont go up, Tonda would be wise to ditch us....it wont be pretty next season in this league

If we don't go up, I don't think Tonda would have much choice, unless we've given him a new contract already. This is why I think the contract situation won't be rushed, I think it'll be Feb/March time when it's looking more clear either way. 

[benali-shorts]

Maybe it’s linked to Spors’ longer term commitment/security too? Not sure how long he’s contracted for, nor his appetite for being in the Championship with a reduced squad and trading budget. 

[beatlesaint]

14 hours ago, bangkoksaint said:

I don’t want to see a situation that the FA had with Tuchel, they offered him a new contract before the WC and he failed miserably. I like TE and yes he’s been decent but if he doesn’t get us up is he the right person for next season when our squad will be very different? If he does get us up then I expect he’d want to stay and the club would too. Not so sure it’s such an easy decision all round

Good grief yes. If we dont go up then Tonda is even more so the right man. His man management seems excellent. Even after what happened last season the players are all with him. 

I dont honestly think we will have ourselves a better manager for many a year. Sign him up on a three or four year deal and lets see where he can take us before a big German club comes knocking at the door. 

[Lighthouse]

2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

if we dont go up, Tonda would be wise to ditch us....it wont be pretty next season in this league

If we don’t go up, he’ll be a significant part of the reason and I won’t be sad to see the back of him. If he doesn’t take this squad up, he isn’t taking anyone up, so I’m not sure why we’d want to keep him.

[beatlesaint]

2 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

If we don’t go up, he’ll be a significant part of the reason and I won’t be sad to see the back of him. If he doesn’t take this squad up, he isn’t taking anyone up, so I’m not sure why we’d want to keep him.

So if we continue to get injuries between now and January which causes us to have a bad run and fall off the pace because the players bought in just arent good enough to cover thats down to Tonda in your view is it ?

[Lord Duckhunter]

16 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

So if we continue to get injuries between now and January which causes us to have a bad run and fall off the pace because the players bought in just arent good enough to cover thats down to Tonda in your view is it ?

Even with injuries we shouldn’t be picking up 2 points from Watford, Lincoln, Wrexham, Bolton & Preston. We’re also 4 points behind where we should be  as well and that is undeniably down to the manager. 

[Lighthouse]

1 hour ago, beatlesaint said:

So if we continue to get injuries between now and January which causes us to have a bad run and fall off the pace because the players bought in just arent good enough to cover thats down to Tonda in your view is it ?

The replacements for the injuries we’ve sustained recently are Lewis Dobbin, Nathan Wood and JWP. They would start most games for at least half the teams in this league, probably more.

Three years ago we (apparently) achieved the bare minimum of winning the playoffs with Bazunu, Smallbone, Aribo and Edozie making regular starts. Our only striker off the bench was Sekou Mara because our big summer signing was injured for literally the whole season.

You can’t be doing worse than that, then getting worried someone is going to poach the manager. Like I said, if he doesn’t take this season’s squad up, he isn’t taking next season’s up either.

[Toadhall Saint]

Do I hear the sound of knives being sharpened?

[beatlesaint]

3 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

Do I hear the sound of knives being sharpened?

Appears so 🤦🏻

[Badger]

6 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

Do I hear the sound of knives being sharpened?

Ridiculous if so. Wonder what the feeling will be in twelve months time if we’re mid-table Championship with Nivea in charge. 

[Badger]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Even with injuries we shouldn’t be picking up 2 points from Watford, Lincoln, Wrexham, Bolton & Preston. We’re also 4 points behind where we should be  as well and that is undeniably down to the manager. 

Can’t disagree about the return on points from the games you mention but for me this is largely down to individual errors.

Watford - Stephens shanking a pass, Manning going missing for the second, THB’s parting gift of a glaring miss.

Lincoln - agree that was shit with substitutes weakening us

Wrexham - how many chances did we miss ? 

Bolton - ditto Wrexham, with specific mention to Dobbin 

WBA - Dobbin could have won it (first half poor)

Preston - poor, but still created chances.

This makes no reference to penalty appeals. 
 

For me, the failing yet again is recruitment (not the manager). 

[Lighthouse]

9 minutes ago, Badger said:

Ridiculous if so. Wonder what the feeling will be in twelve months time if we’re mid-table Championship with Nivea in charge. 

Nobody is talking about sacking him now but if he finishes the season 5-7th and loses in the playoffs, I won’t be sad if he leaves and no Bundesliga giants will be coming in for him.

If you think he’s being held back by injuries now, then I’m afraid Jander, Azaz and Downes are going to be injured for the whole of next season. By injured I mean; f**ked off to a PL team and replaced on the cheap.

[saintant]

2 hours ago, Toadhall Saint said:

Do I hear the sound of knives being sharpened?

What, for the manager with the 2nd best win ratio behind only Arteta 🙂

[Toadhall Saint]

21 minutes ago, saintant said:

What, for the manager with the 2nd best win ratio behind only Arteta 🙂

Madness eh.

[AlexLaw76]

11 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

Madness eh.

means little if he cant achieve what Russ-ball did with a lesser team

Edited 2 hours ago by AlexLaw76