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Bennett was apparently released by Reading in the summer, although SoccerBase are indicating that he's still owned by them. He's currently playing for Brentford, although whether that's on loan or if he's under contract there now isn't too clear.

 

It's a one month loan according to the BBC:

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/b/brentford/7548912.stm

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Unfortunately, it appears these days that 85% of our fans are total mongs. This is why they are all utterly depressing.

 

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jesus...I agree with you for the first time EVER...:D

 

we have been selling players and replacing them wih cheaper ones for years...why all of a sudden is it a smoke screen

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jesus...I agree with you for the first time EVER...:D

 

we have been selling players and replacing them wih cheaper ones for years...why all of a sudden is it a smoke screen

Indeed.

 

Alan Shearer, sold for £3.3m in 1992, replaced with Kerry Dixon and David Speedie for sod all

Tim Flowers, sold for £2.4m in 1993, replaced with Dave Beasant for £300k

Kevin Davies, sold for £7.5m in 1999, replaced with James Beattie for £1m

Dean Richards, sold for £8.1m in 2001, replaced with Michael Svensson for £2m

 

And those are just a handful off the top of my head dating back 16 years.

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Indeed.

 

Alan Shearer, sold for £3.3m in 1992, replaced with Kerry Dixon and David Speedie for sod all

Tim Flowers, sold for £2.4m in 1993, replaced with Dave Beasant for £300k

Kevin Davies, sold for £7.5m in 1999, replaced with James Beattie for £1m

Dean Richards, sold for £8.1m in 2001, replaced with Michael Svensson for £2m

 

And those are just a handful off the top of my head dating back 16 years.

 

 

AAAGGGHHHHHH!!! Jesus.... no!

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Indeed.

 

Alan Shearer, sold for £3.3m in 1992, replaced with Kerry Dixon and David Speedie for sod all

Tim Flowers, sold for £2.4m in 1993, replaced with Dave Beasant for £300k

Kevin Davies, sold for £7.5m in 1999, replaced with James Beattie for £1m

Dean Richards, sold for £8.1m in 2001, replaced with Michael Svensson for £2m

 

And those are just a handful off the top of my head dating back 16 years.

 

even this summer

 

safri out wotton in

powell out perry in

you could argue that rasiak out mcgoldrick steps up

rudi out (well trying) holmes in

 

 

this is nothing more than expected..i cant understand how the club can be slagged off for trying at least to compete within their means..

 

they sell players - get slagged off

they dont buy players - get slagged off

they try to get players in - get slagged off

 

 

what am I missing here..

 

yes I was a depressive on here but that was only about one thing, BURLEY as I knew how important last season and the season before was

 

I am fairly optimistic about the new lot...and a mid table finish would do me nicely

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even this summer

 

safri out wotton in

powell out perry in

you could argue that rasiak out mcgoldrick steps up

rudi out (well trying) holmes in

 

 

this is nothing more than expected..i cant understand how the club can be slagged off for trying at least to compete within their means..

 

they sell players - get slagged off

they dont buy players - get slagged off

they try to get players in - get slagged off

 

 

what am I missing here..

 

yes I was a depressive on here but that was only about one thing, BURLEY as I knew how important last season and the season before was

 

I am fairly optimistic about the new lot...and a mid table finish would do me nicely

 

Good post DD.

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Great for the confidence of John and McGoldrick that we need a striker who can score goals. Presumably somebody with this proven ability would cost quite a bit in wages.

 

So using this logic..... when Saga and Rasiak were let go on loan we would have expected their confidence to rise??

 

Yet when they did go on loan, all you could do was moan that we should be looking to retain such players.

 

Then had we done that, what would have happended to John & McGoldrick's confiendce then too?

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Unfortunately, it appears these days that 85% of our fans are total mongs. This is why they are all utterly depressing.

 

Having said that, the ones that bother to turn up on matchday are more positive about the whole thing. Still, alpine thinks anyone that goes to a game is an "idiot", and as well all know, alpine is always right.

 

 

FFS get over Alpine!

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Contrary to what you might believe from some of the unsupportive comments on here, all the evidence has pointed towards more signings once the space was available in the budget. Failure to get fees for Saga and Rasiak, and still having Skacel and Euell on the books has not produced the capital needed but Davies choosing to go, has unexpectedly compensated to some extent, which is presumably why JP feels able to make his intentions public. That he wants a striker is good news, but why another CB? Obviously some people will say "to replace Davies", but we have 3 experienced CBs, one midfielder able to play CB and two young CBs. Most people can see we need a specialist LB, whether Surman goes or stays. Playing Surman out of position is not the answer, and neither would drafting Skacel back in, be any better. Maybe the striker need is the higher priority but surely a LB is more important than yet another CB?

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Indeed.

 

Alan Shearer, sold for £3.3m in 1992, replaced with Kerry Dixon and David Speedie for sod all

Tim Flowers, sold for £2.4m in 1993, replaced with Dave Beasant for £300k

Kevin Davies, sold for £7.5m in 1999, replaced with James Beattie for £1m

Dean Richards, sold for £8.1m in 2001, replaced with Michael Svensson for £2m

 

And those are just a handful off the top of my head dating back 16 years.

 

That's a 50% success rate. I'd settle for that.

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So using this logic..... when Saga and Rasiak were let go on loan we would have expected their confidence to rise??

 

If they had been banging in the goals, then obviously their confidence would rise as a result. Furthermore, their perceived value would rise too.

 

Yet when they did go on loan, all you could do was moan that we should be looking to retain such players.

 

Yes, of course, as I have faith in their abilities, which is more than can be said of some others who believe they are crap. The reality is not whether they are good or not, rather that we cannot afford to pay their wages. Whether they could score enough goals to propel us to the Premiership and therefore wipe out our financial troubles doesn't enter the equation, as we being short termist to appease the bankers.

 

Then had we done that, what would have happended to John & McGoldrick's confiendce then too?

 

John had been in a situation of having to fight for his place against others for quite some time, but he was fighting for one of two places. Now arguably there is only one place up for grabs. As in most clubs, the surfeit of options for most positions is a good thing as it encourages competition. But the situation we have here now is not like that at all. We have players knowing that they are surplus to requirments solely because they are good enough to command a higher wage. They are shunned by us and hear the foreign manager telling us that he wants to sign a proven goalscorer, but he doesn't want them. The whole thing is not logical, as a proven goalscorer by definition is both in demand or costly as a result, unless he is a loan player from a top team full of other talent with such prowess. So why would they want their players to come here to be amongst youngsters? And would they be paying a decent whack of their wages to make it affordable to us?

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even this summer

 

safri out wotton in

powell out perry in

you could argue that rasiak out mcgoldrick steps up

rudi out (well trying) holmes in

 

 

this is nothing more than expected..i cant understand how the club can be slagged off for trying at least to compete within their means..

 

they sell players - get slagged off

they dont buy players - get slagged off

they try to get players in - get slagged off

 

 

what am I missing here..

 

yes I was a depressive on here but that was only about one thing, BURLEY as I knew how important last season and the season before was

 

I am fairly optimistic about the new lot...and a mid table finish would do me nicely

 

 

A mid table finish would do nicely for me too ........ but I cannot see it happening.

 

What P**es me off is this

 

Yes, we have had to sell players to try to balance the ship, and Yes, we realised that the "way forward" was via the young players, and Yes, they have been playing very good Footbal, but, curently, no League points on the board, and Yes, we have accepted Poortvliets concept of "Total Football"

 

WHY THEN do we "accept" to have Pulis Jnr join us ???? in "part exchange" for Davies ??? ...... He is a very very ORDINARY player, and certainly will NOT "Add" to the Teams performance IMHO

 

If he has been "forced" on us, as the only way Stoke would purchase Davies, IMHO, it makes a mockery of the Dutch Duo's, and Lowe's aim

 

OK, sell players if you have to, but don't replace them with "second hand" garbage that in no way is ever going to IMPROVE the existing Squad

 

Methinks the Wheels are coming off already

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A mid table finish would do nicely for me too ........ but I cannot see it happening.

 

What P**es me off is this

 

Yes, we have had to sell players to try to balance the ship, and Yes, we realised that the "way forward" was via the young players, and Yes, they have been playing very good Footbal, but, curently, no League points on the board, and Yes, we have accepted Poortvliets concept of "Total Football"

 

WHY THEN do we "accept" to have Pulis Jnr join us ???? in "part exchange" for Davies ??? ...... He is a very very ORDINARY player, and certainly will NOT "Add" to the Teams performance IMHO

 

If he has been "forced" on us, as the only way Stoke would purchase Davies, IMHO, it makes a mockery of the Dutch Duo's, and Lowe's aim

 

OK, sell players if you have to, but don't replace them with "second hand" garbage that in no way is ever going to IMPROVE the existing Squad

 

Methinks the Wheels are coming off already

 

how do you know he i very ordinary....who knew ANYTHING about lee holmes before he joined??

 

i remember the UPROAR on here (and there was) when we signed guthrie on loan...

 

what else do you want the club to do..we are skint but will try to compete where possible...we will be selling more players and getting cheaper ones in...simple as that..

 

we might as well shut up shop and not bother with the was you are thinking...

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I've said it before, "the financial crisis" is being used to justify whatever it is Lowe wants to do. We are certainly up against it, but I do not believe any more so than many other clubs who are not constantly banging this drum.

 

Lowe will announce whenever it suits his purpose that "firm ation" taken on the financial position has put us is a stronger position. That'll be when the wheels look to have fallen off and he needs to take a change in direction. About the beginning of November I reckon, when we will be scatching round for loans.

 

Yes things are tight, but I fear will very much tighter when results don't come and the crowds reduce even more - and that's just when Lowe will say "things are on a sounder footing"...

 

I go by the universal truth in The Good Book - The Emperor's New Suit by Hans Christian Andersen - a dose of scepticism is healthy, even if you non-stop happy-clap at matches.

 

Agreed, but it is also no secret that Lowe is declaring that the new set up was all his idea (I wonder what Wilde does then?). He will therefore have to be judged on how it performs (and will not be able to hide behind the excuses that there were no alternatives, his hands were tied etc).

 

Despite being up against it from a financial perspective we still have/had a number of alternative routes that we could have chosen to follow i.e. keeping Pearson over Poortvliet, so we shouldn't just accept that being in the financial pickle has meant we have no alternatives.

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how do you know he i very ordinary....who knew ANYTHING about lee holmes before he joined??

 

i remember the UPROAR on here (and there was) when we signed guthrie on loan...

 

what else do you want the club to do..we are skint but will try to compete where possible...we will be selling more players and getting cheaper ones in...simple as that..

 

we might as well shut up shop and not bother with the was you are thinking...

 

Regarding Pulis Jnr, we have the evidence of opinion both of the Stoke City fans and the fact that he had not exactly set the World alight at other clubs on loan either. With Holmes, he was a bit of a prodigy early on when he started, tipped for great things. He failed to achieve that potential with Derby, so was surplus to requirements. He doesn't look a bad player and perhaps we can spark that initial potential to reignite. But he was several classes above Pulis to begin with.

 

Danny Guthrie was a decent prospect from Liverpool's youth policy and again worth having here on loan. He is currently playing in the Premiership, which is probably more than Pulis Jnr. ever will.

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eventhis is nothing more than expected..i cant understand how the club can be slagged off for trying at least to compete within their means..

 

someone needs to hold their hands up and apologise for taking us well beyond our means. The £7m gamble did not pay off, then some joker thought it was a good idea to gamble again, this time with money on the never never...

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no idea what comparative wages or fee if any will be involved but maybe a squad replacement as back up -replacement for likes of Viafara, Wright, II, Licka -who would probably be more expensive options for injury cover / subs bench

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someone needs to hold their hands up and apologise for taking us well beyond our means. The £7m gamble did not pay off, then some joker thought it was a good idea to gamble again, this time with money on the never never...

 

 

I must admit I was/am the first to encourage 'speculate to accumulate'. For my money there is nothing wrong with risk-taking and gambling providing you know the possible outcomes and the decisions that might have to be taken as a result.

 

I (like 99% of people I am sure) was all FOR blowing £7million on a promotion push.

 

BUT, the standard should have been set, that nothing less than automatic promotion was acceptable for this investment.

 

By setting a target of sixth, the board of the time were saying this:

 

We will gamble £7m on a chance (ie. a further gamble) of promotion through the play-offs.

 

That was madness.

 

Most observers I am guessing would now accept that GB's target should have been automatic promotion and perhaps a different mindset and set of supporting factors would have come into play.

 

The problem we had was giving Burley £7m with a target which he acheieved (6th) which did NOT repay the gamble (investment).

 

So we effectively won but lost. It was a case of Heads you Win, Tails I lose...

 

A rather elementary mistake...

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Fair enough. I have a strange recollection of a news article somewhere stating that he'd been released by Reading in the summer.

 

So do I.....so was a bit disappointed he'd gone to Brentford. Great if its only on loan, maybe there's still a chance for us?

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A mid table finish would do nicely for me too ........ but I cannot see it happening.

 

What P**es me off is this

 

Yes, we have had to sell players to try to balance the ship, and Yes, we realised that the "way forward" was via the young players, and Yes, they have been playing very good Footbal, but, curently, no League points on the board, and Yes, we have accepted Poortvliets concept of "Total Football"

 

WHY THEN do we "accept" to have Pulis Jnr join us ???? in "part exchange" for Davies ??? ...... He is a very very ORDINARY player, and certainly will NOT "Add" to the Teams performance IMHO

 

If he has been "forced" on us, as the only way Stoke would purchase Davies, IMHO, it makes a mockery of the Dutch Duo's, and Lowe's aim

 

OK, sell players if you have to, but don't replace them with "second hand" garbage that in no way is ever going to IMPROVE the existing Squad

 

Methinks the Wheels are coming off already

 

When did we sign Pulis? Where did you see this?

 

I can't find anything about it on the OS, Sporting Life, BBC, etc.

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Lowe - "Once you get into debt, the bank manager comes into the club to run the team."

 

Wikipedia record and various other sites. Just Google it Steve!

 

Not quite got the the hang of figures of speech then? Do you think the nice man from Barclays literally runs training in the mornings too?

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Lighten up everybody we have to sell to survive and the youngsters need time to settle in! We dont have any choices in the matter we have to sell whenever we can.

 

The good news is we do have some good youngsters they will try their best and seek to improve as they try to forgew a career in a very competative proffession and they are happy to play and prove themselves on low (or even lowe) wages!

No other options exist other than a fairy godmother with bags of cash!

 

If it happens great but I am right behind the current strategy of playing within our means rather than spending above our means hoping some rich person will bail us out as a hobby!

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A mid table finish would do nicely for me too ........ but I cannot see it happening.........WHY THEN do we "accept" to have Pulis Jnr join us ???? in "part exchange" for Davies ??? ...... He is a very very ORDINARY player, and certainly will NOT "Add" to the Teams performance IMHO. If he has been "forced" on us, as the only way Stoke would purchase Davies, IMHO, it makes a mockery of the Dutch Duo's, and Lowe's aim. OK, sell players if you have to, but don't replace them with "second hand" garbage that in no way is ever going to IMPROVE the existing Squad

 

Methinks the Wheels are coming off already

You've had the wheels coming off since May, at every opportunity, and like this one, usually about some imaginary issue that has to stoked up to make it look real, but without any facts. Why not wait until the club actually does something you don't like before you complain about it, or is the problem that even if Saints won promotion, if it was from second place, you'd be complaining that they failed to be top.

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You've had the wheels coming off since May, at every opportunity, and like this one, usually about some imaginary issue that has to stoked up to make it look real, but without any facts. Why not wait until the club actually does something you don't like before you complain about it, or is the problem that even if Saints won promotion, if it was from second place, you'd be complaining that they failed to be top.

 

Prof steady on now.

 

Have you heard that song about rolling along, wheels on my wagon and cherokee indians?

Well, we all trust in Saints and we know even with only one wheel on the wagon that we will all make it to the fort.

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I don't et some people, first they complain that the squad is down to bare bones due to rumours Surman and John might leave. Then the manager comes out and states specifically that the first teamers are not for sale and that he is looking to buy a defender and a striker and then suddenly its about driving up prices. Some people can never be satisfied....

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So do I.....so was a bit disappointed he'd gone to Brentford. Great if its only on loan, maybe there's still a chance for us?

It is quite ironic that people on this thread are ready to slag off someone who apparently hasn`t even signed yet and most of us haven`t seen, but are desperate to get back someone who took more stick than I care to think about when he first came here. Some of the comments about Alan Bennett on this forums predecessor were disgraceful. After he was given a chance however.......

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Does he? Feel free to point to an article where he states this.

 

not strictly the same, but Jan's comments on the OS in the potential Davies transfer article "...and we've made no secret of the financial pressures that have been placed on us by the bank"

 

Baically they have made certain demands and in order to acheive these we must sell players right left and centre and that subsequently effects team selection - ie Skacel is not selected as they want to sell him.

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It is quite ironic that people on this thread are ready to slag off someone who apparently hasn`t even signed yet and most of us haven`t seen, but are desperate to get back someone who took more stick than I care to think about when he first came here. Some of the comments about Alan Bennett on this forums predecessor were disgraceful. After he was given a chance however.......

 

Sure. I agree. I am not, however, excited by what I've heard about Anthony Pulis but wouldn't slag him off as you say. I don't think we need him. We do need another centre back and we know Bennett could do a job for us.....thats all I'm saying

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I am trying hard not to be totally cynical about Jan's comments but clearly a 'squad' was agreed with him at the start of the season and this included Davies who has now been sold and if the rumours are true Surman and John who may yet depart.

 

I think the statement was merely an attempt to try an avoid the disruption that a full blown protest by the supporters will cause. However to state the obvious to the supporters that we need all three of these players and now have to replace the one sold treats us in the manner that we have always been treated by Mr Lowe - a necessary evil to provide income to the Club but not worthy to have an opinion equal in stature to his. There is nothing wrong with arrogance if you are good at your job the difficulties start when you are arrogant but you are not.

 

I am not sure we can get out of the mess we find ouselves in either on the pitch or financially without inward investment.

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It is quite ironic that people on this thread are ready to slag off someone who apparently hasn`t even signed yet and most of us haven`t seen, but are desperate to get back someone who took more stick than I care to think about when he first came here. Some of the comments about Alan Bennett on this forums predecessor were disgraceful. After he was given a chance however.......

 

There's a slight difference between the two cases. Nothing much was known about Bennett and everything one could read about him was fairly positive and he was a young international. In sharp contrast, everything that one reads about young Pulis suggests that he is pretty useless and mainly gets to play because his dad is manager. Bennett did get a slating initially, that's true. But that was on the basis that he had not exactly played very well and made some bad mistakes. When he teamed up with Andrew Davies, the two forged a great understanding together and Bennett's transformation was amazing.

 

If young Pulis did sign, then there's not a lot we can do about it but see how he plays, but if people do get on his back if he's crap, then that was what happened to Bennett too initially. If he turns things around and becomes an asset, then I'm sure that he will then earn the respect that Bennett did, so from that aspect, there would be no disparity at all with Bennett's situation with us.

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Sure. I agree. I am not, however, excited by what I've heard about Anthony Pulis but wouldn't slag him off as you say. I don't think we need him. We do need another centre back and we know Bennett could do a job for us.....thats all I'm saying

TBF I wasn`t having a go at you. Just the general feeling towards someone that we don`t actually know much about and haven`t really seen play. FWIW I would rather have Bennett too!

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I am trying hard not to be totally cynical about Jan's comments but clearly a 'squad' was agreed with him at the start of the season and this included Davies who has now been sold and if the rumours are true Surman and John who may yet depart.

 

I think the statement was merely an attempt to try an avoid the disruption that a full blown protest by the supporters will cause. However to state the obvious to the supporters that we need all three of these players and now have to replace the one sold treats us in the manner that we have always been treated by Mr Lowe - a necessary evil to provide income to the Club but not worthy to have an opinion equal in stature to his. There is nothing wrong with arrogance if you are good at your job the difficulties start when you are arrogant but you are not.

 

I am not sure we can get out of the mess we find ouselves in either on the pitch or financially without inward investment.

 

Perhaps JP was told honestly by Lowe that the situation was that although we wished to offload players earning more than a certain level, we intended to keep a squad comprising players on a prepared list that included John, Surman and Davies. Maybe it was also made clear that under circumstances whereby some of those players surplus to requirements couldn't be offloaded, then we would have to look at selling others instead.

 

But if this wasn't made clear to him, I'd be expecting JP to be very annoyed.

 

The one point that I'd make was that as a justification of the clear out, much was made of the fact that the team would comprise youngsters desperate to prove themselves, playing with enthusiasm and determintation, proud to wear the shirt. We would be shipping out the journeymen and those looking for a quiet berth in the latter stages of their careers. On this basis, it could be argued that on grounds of motivation and desire, having loanees covering a few positions will not be as good as having our own players and that it seems that there are one or two of these older players starting to creep back into the equation.

 

Personally I'm not against a good mix of youth and experience, but I wonder whether it is actually probable that by replacing one older player with another costing much less, one is able to get a better player?

 

And it had also crossed my mind that this mentioning of prospective signings of the calibre of Cork and Harte is just a ruse to quieten down dissent at the departure of Davies and the rumoured departure of popular players like John and Surman. It will be interesting to see which name appears in the frame as potential replacement for John if he goes. Again, I'd question whether it was possible to obtain somebody on less money who was as good.

 

We may have our doubts, justifiably, but we'll just have to wait and see what transpires.

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I doubt JP is at all bothered.

 

Think about it.

 

YOU are plucked from obscurity to land a plum job as a photographer for Page 3.

 

Initially you're led to believe that you'll be working with Lucy and Keeley.

 

But turns out, it's actually Jodie Marsh and Jordan.

 

Alright, so it's not ideal.

 

But WAKE UP.

 

You're still a photographer for page 3!!

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