Arizona Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Assuming for one second we manage to stay up, but we could only afford the wages of one of those two players, who would you keep? Despite Euell's recent good form, it would have to be Rasiak for me. Given a run in the side, he always seems to score, plus he is 2 years younger. In an ideal world we'd keep both, which isn't entirely impossible if John and BWP are released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Thats a toughie. But Rasiak isnt exactly setting the world on fire at Watford, is he ? Although Rasiak has scored more goals for us, if we get to the end of this season having done really well since JP left, I would argue for not changing the status quo - meaning Euell. Its the present and future that matter now, not the past. However, as always, I am sure Woopert Woe has other ideas... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Bones Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 It sure is a tough one. I'd say Rasiak - purely because my last memories of him was being our leading goalscorer. Glad to see Euell getting a run though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Euell- no question. Is a more willing worker and better at bringing others in. If he gets less goals than rasiak, I think others will get more because of him. Can also slot into midfield if necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkadill Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Nice loyalty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Rasiak is an out and out striker and selfish to boot. That's what makes good strikers great, but Euell is what we need now. He is a hard worker, he encourages the other players, he leads by example. With two other strikers on the pitch in Saga and McG, he has less pressure to get goals every game. The three we have at the moment all compliment each other in various ways. That is partly why we have scored 7 goals in 3 games. So, given the choice, Euell every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoccerMom Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Euell. Rasiak runs like a sewing machine, can only play in one position and then only in the box. I think the number of goals he's scored with body parts other than his feet shows that he's most effective at close range. A striker like that is a luxury we can't afford - I'd have John over him, as well. Totally agree with what hugh has to say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimond Geezer Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Euell- no question. Is a more willing worker and better at bringing others in. If he gets less goals than rasiak, I think others will get more because of him. Can also slot into midfield if necessary. Agree completely, he even dropped back to centre-back for 10 minutes or so during the Cardiff game, can't see Rasiak being willing to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Thats a toughie. But Rasiak isnt exactly setting the world on fire at Watford, is he ? Although Rasiak has scored more goals for us, if we get to the end of this season having done really well since JP left, I would argue for not changing the status quo - meaning Euell. Its the present and future that matter now, not the past. However, as always, I am sure Woopert Woe has other ideas... Agree with that ! Added to the fact that Euell has played ( and played well) for Wotte when Rasiak probably does'nt even know him - Why risk a personality/system clash ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 5 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Euell. Rasiak runs like a sewing machine, can only play in one position and then only in the box. I think the number of goals he's scored with body parts other than his feet shows that he's most effective at close range. A striker like that is a luxury we can't afford - I'd have John over him, as well. Totally agree with what hugh has to say! Wouldn't call a 20 goal a season man a luxury we can't afford, even if most of his goals are scored in the six yard box. With Saga able to score from seemingly anywhere, I think we'd have a good mix. Can't agree on John either. Seems to have lost his form terribly this season. 3 goals is it, and he's no spring chicken. Seems to be reliant on Saganowski being on the pitch to score for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Sorry Ali but Euell for me now, yes Euell has been crap previously but he seems to have found his slot. Rasiak is a poacher, whether that will work in our loss of him time will tell but he is not hitting the headlines at the moment is he. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 5 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 5 March, 2009 No, everything people have said is fair enough. FWIW I'd love to keep both of them, and it's not impossible that could happen either. I just remember watching several games earlier on in the season and wondering what might have been had Rasiak been playing instead of Robertson or DMG. No Rasiak hasn't set the world alight at Watford, but up until 3 games ago neither had Euell. Neither has had a great season, but both CDAJFU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Euell- no question. Is a more willing worker and better at bringing others in. If he gets less goals than rasiak, I think others will get more because of him. Can also slot into midfield if necessary. In a nutshell And Saga in preference to Rasiak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoccerMom Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 (edited) Wouldn't call a 20 goal a season man a luxury we can't afford, even if most of his goals are scored in the six yard box. With Saga able to score from seemingly anywhere, I think we'd have a good mix. Can't agree on John either. Seems to have lost his form terribly this season. 3 goals is it, and he's no spring chicken. Seems to be reliant on Saganowski being on the pitch to score for some reason. Hmm, not sure. Rasiak and Saga never really formed an effective team - and Saga needs a partnership of equals (that is, someone who is just as committed as he is to seeing the goals go in, no matter which one of them scores). John's form is debatable, too - he hasn't really had much time off the bench, has he? Came close last night, by all accounts - looked pretty sharp on SSN this morning. And he's still scored a damn sight more goals in his career than Rasiak, and he's only two years older.... Edit - ah, saw your reply after I wrote this. Not having a go, honest! Edited 5 March, 2009 by SoccerMom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastcowzer Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Hmm, not sure. Rasiak and Saga never really formed an effective team - and Saga needs a partnership of equals (that is, someone who is just as committed as he is to seeing the goals go in, no matter which one of them scores). John's form is debatable, too - he hasn't really had much time off the bench, has he? Came close last night, by all accounts - looked pretty sharp on SSN this morning. And he's still scored a damn sight more goals in his career than Rasiak, and he's only two years older.... Edit - ah, saw your reply after I wrote this. Not having a go, honest! Saga' and Rasiak should be kept Poles apart as nither can play to each other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastcowzer Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Saga' and Rasiak should be kept Poles apart as nither can play to each other Oops ! sorry that should be 'neither', not 'nither' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 5 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Saga' and Rasiak should be kept Poles apart as nither can play to each other Again I'd tend to disagree. They've only played about 3 games together. Half a game on Saga's debut when they tore league leaders Derby a new one, hit the woodwork about 5 times, but couldn't seem to score. Stoke away the same season when Saga score, half a game against Palace at home last season, when Saga scored. Preston away last season when Saga was more of a winger, but still scored. I'd say that partnership has potential and is at least worth a try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocco boxo Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Euell as he appears to have the right mentality, discarded and humiliated one weeek, up for the fight and leading from the front the next! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Controversial I know.......but neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Rasiak might score more, but then, Euell is more of a team player. Seems a good partner for Saga. Either would work well though. Just have a feeling Rasiak is going to pick up more and more injuries now. Good point adrians, All strikers need to be a bit ****y / arrogant, it goes with the territory, and rightly so. You can keep as many clean sheets as you like, but you still have to score to get the points. Look at recent form between Man.U and Arsenal, both have very tight defences but one scores goals regularly and the other finds it tough. Rasiak is NOT a team player, and he is still obsessed with himself. (Beattie was a bit - but no-one minded as long as he was scoring.) Euell is a bit further along the line than most and he has become a team player, helping others and giving chances that others might take themselves. I'm pleased for his sake, I think he deserved his goals on tuesday - if for no other reason than effort. IF he can retain his current form for the rest of the season, he could be the single most important factor in keeping us up. Like Stern John and Dwight Yorke, who have both peaked in their careers, he has so much experience and skill that in the right team, he runs the show single handed. IF we stay up.. and JE goes, Rasiak may return a more humble player who's prepared to put his own efforts aside and become MORE of a team player than he was before. I think he'd do well, as NO-ONE has ever scored so many away goals for Saints in one season as GR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedyfly Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Rasiak. Ball in net wins games and I don't care if they all come off his arse. Lets not forget that for the most part (recent form aside) Euell has been useless hence him affectionately being re-named MEuell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoccerMom Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Rasiak. Ball in net wins games and I don't care if they all come off his arse. It's been known. It's a standing joke in our household - every time the nipper tells me Rasiak has scored I have to guess the body part. Face (more than once), knee, chest, arse... maybe one day it will be the Hand of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedyfly Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 It's been known. It's a standing joke in our household - every time the nipper tells me Rasiak has scored I have to guess the body part. Face (more than once), knee, chest, arse... maybe one day it will be the Hand of God. Do they count any less? At the end of the day points win prizes and Euell's points tally does not equal Rasiaks points tally by a long shot. Still love the goal and celebration from Rasiak in the play offs as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Rasiak scores goals in a side that plays it on the floor - Watford do not, and neither do we. Interestingly, John scores goals in a side that plays long ball - Bristol City do not do this. Swap Rasiak and John around and they would be doing a lot better IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Rasiak. Proven goalscorer. People forget things far too easily. Just because he wasn't dripping in sweat or doing slide tackles to win the ball back people dis-liked him. He scores goals at this level and given average service still would. Euell has had 2 good games in a row and the usual hysteria brakes out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzmeister Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Euell, think he wants to be at Saints whereas I get the impression Rasiak doesnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Out of Euell or Rasiak I'd probably go for Stern John. It's all about the best partner for Saga for me. (so Euell out of the two profered by the original poster) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 I'd like to keep whoever will play on a three month rolling contract. The prospect of their wages disappearing shortly unless they play well enough to justify being kept on seems to be the magic ingredient in sparking good perfomances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Easy call, Euell any day. More energy and more versatility. Has also scored almost as many goals this season (2) as Rasiak (5) having played less games. I don't see why anyone would want Rasiak back, OK maybe he was good for us 2 years ago, but time has moved on. Euell is one of the main reasons, in my opinion for our recent resurgence (along with Saeijs amd Saga) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Euell wins more headers, leads the lnie better, works harder, quicker, defends better and on th elimited evidence we have seen recently holds the ball up better. What Rasiak offers is top class finishing and the ability to be in the right place at the right time...oh and the ability to nudge defenders in the back and head the ball in without refs noticing. Since Jones left we have been crying out for a big target man. Euell offers that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Euell for me every time. His partnership with Saga has been superb and may keep us in this league. Also his attitude has been brilliant, he was villified last season (and I was among his critics) and it seems he was almost forced out this season but he's come back, worked really and had a huge impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Raziak for me simply because he is a proven scorer at this level. Wheres our back-up if saganowski gets injured? where would the goals come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Raziak for me simply because he is a proven scorer at this level. Wheres our back-up if saganowski gets injured? where would the goals come from? Thought we were comparing Rasiak with Euell. This proven goalscorer malarky, 5 this season, is that particularly good? Less than McG (although less games to be fair). More than Euell this season (but Euell has played less games). How many last season? Proven goalscorers have some good seasons, he has not been prolific for nearly 2 years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Rasiak is an out and out striker and selfish to boot. That's what makes good strikers great, but Euell is what we need now. He is a hard worker, he encourages the other players, he leads by example. With two other strikers on the pitch in Saga and McG, he has less pressure to get goals every game. The three we have at the moment all compliment each other in various ways. That is partly why we have scored 7 goals in 3 games. So, given the choice, Euell every time. Reminds me of what Alan Ball use to say about the world cup winning squad. He was under no illusions that the England players did not have the best players, but they did have the best team, through players that complimented each other. It's an extreme example, but Crespo and Shevchenko are examples of great players doing naff all when not fitting in with a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labibs Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 It's not that simple though. I think Rasiak is still under contract for next season, so there may be the potential to get a fee for him if we sell him. Also Euell doesn't have long left in him, he'll be 33 next season and as players get older they tend to pick up more niggly injuries. I certainly wouldn't keep Euell on his existing contract, not on the basis of three good games. If he was happy to accept reduced terms with bonuses for playing and goals, then by all means If we stay up, we should use all our available funds to try and sign Saeijs permanently and fund the wages of saga and KD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Assuming for one second we manage to stay up, but we could only afford the wages of one of those two players, who would you keep? Despite Euell's recent good form, it would have to be Rasiak for me. Given a run in the side, he always seems to score, plus he is 2 years younger. In an ideal world we'd keep both, which isn't entirely impossible if John and BWP are released. Ive been thinking about this all day and still find it hard to choose between the 2. Euell's new found form has only come since he has been paired with Saga. A partnership that didnt really hit it off was Ras and Saga. Is Euell playing for his next contract somewhere else or with us? will his form continue once he gets a new contract? Would Ras find his form if he came back to us? Could he pair up with Saga this time? Right now I would have to go on current form and I would opt to keep Euell ahead of Ras. But should the team be changing dramatically over the sumer months then that opinion could change as much as the team. What would happen if we lose Saga? Would Euell pair up as well with anyone else? What if we lose the players that give service up to the front? Euell is no spring chicken and cant be expected to do it all on his own can he? Stupid question IMO cause im stumped. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfredKo Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 How about in the dream world, we have attacted a new investment like Chelsea and Man City in the summer. Then we can afford Stern John, Rasiak, Saganowski and Euell. I only know we nearly have everything, a bit money will help us to gain an automatic promotion place next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeckoSaint Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 It's got to be Euell for me. He stuck around and fought for his place in the side. Rasiak could have taken a pay cut and stayed but he chose to shifty off to one of ours rivals... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team-saint Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 As saint-clark points out it is really about what system we are playing. Euell is a good team player on the pitch and a good leader which is what we need. Rasiak is a good player but isn't really the type of player we need. In a CCC team like Reading with a good passing midfield midfield then I think Rasiak would score 25 goals or more in a full season in the CCC. Remember he had 19 by christmas or something in 06/07 before Burley randomly dropped him, at the time the crosses provided from the likes of Bale and Rudi were perfect for him as well as a bit of flair from players like Idiakez who could set him up in the box with the ball on the floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Originally Posted by SoccerMom Euell. Rasiak runs like a sewing machine, can only play in one position and then only in the box. I think the number of goals he's scored with body parts other than his feet shows that he's most effective at close range. A striker like that is a luxury we can't afford - I'd have John over him, as well. Totally agree with what hugh has to say! Wouldn't call a 20 goal a season man a luxury we can't afford, even if most of his goals are scored in the six yard box. With Saga able to score from seemingly anywhere, I think we'd have a good mix. Can't agree on John either. Seems to have lost his form terribly this season. 3 goals is it, and he's no spring chicken. Seems to be reliant on Saganowski being on the pitch to score for some reason. Very difficult one to balance and very early to give a definitive, but I think the nod should go to Euell on the following provisos. Either Euell is scoring regularly or he brings in the other players with assists. Raisaks goals with Saints came at the cost of an open style of play, requiring the support of several other players. His record when teams set up defensively against us was poor with the majority of his goals coming away or when the game was open. The way Euell is playing now is your typical CCC forward which everyone needs to be effective in this league, hustle, bustle and challenges and an asset defensively. I am not sure about Rasiak and Saga complementing each other and feel that Saga would best benefit from Euell from the limited games so far. Saga has stated the influence Euell is having on the team and him personally, so I am not so sure about Rasiak being the better compliment? Very happy to leave this one to the manager, as my choice would have been John, given the option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 One little decider possibly (I believe) - Euell is out of contract at the end of the season, Rasiak has another one to go so there may not be much choice (Almost has me hoping Watford stay up) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 How about in the dream world, we have attacted a new investment like Chelsea and Man City in the summer. Then we can afford Stern John, Rasiak, Saganowski and Euell. I only know we nearly have everything, a bit money will help us to gain an automatic promotion place next season. You wouldn't really want any of them if you actually had some dosh to spend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Rasiak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 I am still going to convert Jason into a centre back ala Dion Dublin. Jason does not know this yet and Wottey is only just starting to pick up on other suggestions which turned out to be quite good ie winning games. To be honest at their wage scale they would both have to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Thought we were comparing Rasiak with Euell. This proven goalscorer malarky, 5 this season, is that particularly good? Less than McG (although less games to be fair). More than Euell this season (but Euell has played less games). How many last season? Proven goalscorers have some good seasons, he has not been prolific for nearly 2 years now. Avoiding my question about who our back-up is should saga get injured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 I think the issue is not Euell or Raziak but whether Raziak or Saganowski play with Euell as the big robust forward. For me Saganowski is the best all round team player. Interestingly for me with Raziak and Euell up front, Saganowski could play at the head of the diamond midfield and probably give us more than McGoldrick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1Minus10 Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 You have the pick the player that makes the best partner for Saganowski. Personally I'd say Euell as he's fitter, more mobile and works harder. I'd back Euell-Saga to score more goals and work harder for the team than Rasiak-Saga. Age is irrelvant in this case as it's only two years adn Rasiak's age based on his fitness and willingness to run is 125. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Avoiding my question about who our back-up is should saga get injured He didn't avoid the question, merely pointed out this thread is about Euell or Rasiak. However your question is worthy of a seperate thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Rasiak. Ball in net wins games and I don't care if they all come off his arse. Lets not forget that for the most part (recent form aside) Euell has been useless hence him affectionately being re-named MEuell. Rasiak has been pretty useless this season as well with 3 league goals in 16 appearances. Euell has 2 league goals in 13 appearances so not much difference between the two except Euell works a lot harder and can defend as well, would Rasiak have been in a position to clear off the line at Ipswich? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedyfly Posted 6 March, 2009 Share Posted 6 March, 2009 His time at Watford has been nearly as poorly managed as it was here. That said the same could be attributed to Euell. But at the end of the day Rasiak has proven season after season that it's not a fluke...He put's the spherical object into the big netty thing time after time...And I am really not sure where this impression of Euell being a workhorse has come from less the last three games. Good god I hope it continues and I thought he was a good signing when we got him but he's hardly done sod all since getting here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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