70's Mike Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 the real deal or a french playboy ? cannot make up my mind, concern is that for someone with talent he looked like a fish out of water in a slightly different position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 the real deal or a french playboy ? cannot make up my mind, concern is that for someone with talent he looked like a fish out of water in a slightly different position. Let's hope its the first one...for Rupert's sake eh?? Bet he won't go on about how we got him if he turns out sh1te...then it will be Georges Prost's fault...!! One other thing...is Gasmi just here to keep him company...a la Licka (for Rudi) and Chala (for Delgado)?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjphilsaint Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 is he motivated...can we blame him.. has he been managed well enough to get the best from him... is SFC the best place for him...will he flourish if/when he leaves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 Over-priced, over-hyped, and over here. I can't help thinking we'd have been better off with £1.2m-worth of Robbie Savages / Darren Moores / Matt Oakleys / Jay Tabbs (or even. shock-horror, a full season of Skacel/Saga/Euell). LOWE OUT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 Let him get over his injury then judge him, also why not play him in his rightful position? DM or CM rather than poke him out on the right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 One of our better players IMO. Has generally done well for us, very good passer of the ball. Much rather have him in the team than Paul 'hoof ball' Wotton. It annoyed me that JP would sub him in every game. Would always have him in the starting eleven when fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 Let's hope its the first one...for Rupert's sake eh?? Bet he won't go on about how we got him if he turns out sh1te...then it will be Georges Prost's fault...!! One other thing...is Gasmi just here to keep him company...a la Licka (for Rudi) and Chala (for Delgado)?? Could be a trend, don't forget Imants Bleidelis keeping Marians company as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 Looks pretty average on the whole - talk of playing of Arsenal etc is just pie in the sky at the moment . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 Never really seen him have a good game for us. Was a big part of the midfield problems when paired with Surman in central midfield as niether seemed able to tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Bizzle Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 he is quality. He dictates games when played in the correct position. The preseason friendly against west ham showed how good he is. The way he dicked all over the two west ham midfielders was unbelievable. i don't think there is another player in the division that passes a ball like he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 classy on the ball and a very good passer. One diagonal ball across to Euell last night stood out for me in what was a very dull game, Unfortunatley at the moment the negatives outweight the positives - he doesn't tackle, he's a complete bottle job (he got hurt last night twice and on both occasions it was because he didn't fully commit to the tackle/header) and he simply does not grab hold of a game and dictate it. That said he's been unlucky with injuries and it takes time for a lot of French players to find their feet over here. I'm hopeful that next season he can push on. The guy has class and there is not a lot of that at SMS these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 He is not a DM really, which we were all told he was at the start of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 Certainly not a right midfielder. I would much rather we had taken McGoldrick off at half time last night and moved Schneiderlin inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 He is not a DM really, which we were all told he was at the start of the season. a DM that has made four or five tackles all season. No wonder we are second bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 Really needs to man up a bit to get anywhere. I've seen jellyfish put in firmer tackles than Morgan. Also a teenager with an injury record to rival Darren Anderton is more than a bit worrying. £1.2m on Rasiak/Saga or Schneiderlin... no contest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 11 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 11 March, 2009 (edited) how do we fit him into the side, if as some say he played out of position last night, to accomodate him some one else has to go Edited 11 March, 2009 by 70's Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 He doesn't get stuck in enough, he's one of the biggest pansys i've seen in a Saints shirt, even worse than Surman. It was painfull having to watch those two play central midfield together. So glad we've got Gillett in the middle now, he's not as good on the ball as Surman or Morgan but he never backs out of a tackle and is always available for the ball. I think we should probably give Morgan until this time next season to prove himself, sometimes it takes players a while to adapt. If we played him every week alongside Gillett with Holmes on the left and Thomson or Dyer on the right we'd get the best out of him but that won't happen while Surman, Lallana and McGoldrick are all here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West End Saint Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 I think he is the sort of player that would be better off in the premier league the lad has got talent but I dont think he is suited to the hurly burly of the CCC we should make a profit on him I cant see him still being withus next season whatever league we are in he could defo do a job in a lower tier prem team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 you watch him and he s a dead ringer of a young Matt Oakley, also in the way he plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 I think he is the sort of player that would be better off in the premier league the lad has got talent but I dont think he is suited to the hurly burly of the CCC we should make a profit on him I cant see him still being withus next season whatever league we are in he could defo do a job in a lower tier prem team He's got talent but there's no way he'd be better off in the Premiership. His problem isn't that he gets bullied and hurt during games he just doesn't tackle, no matter what league you're in as a defensive midfielder you need to be able to win the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 So, from the posts on here: Hes no right midfielder. He's no defensive midfielder. He can't tackle or win headers, so he isn't a great central midfielder. He's injury-prone He has shown little ambition to get forward and shoot (my observation) But he can boss a pre-season friendly. And he cost 1.2m. We have paid a lot for an 18 year-old "prospect". With our finances that is some gamble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 11 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 11 March, 2009 So, from the posts on here: Hes no right midfielder. He's no defensive midfielder. He can't tackle or win headers, so he isn't a great central midfielder. He's injury-prone He has shown little ambition to get forward and shoot (my observation) But he can boss a pre-season friendly. And he cost 1.2m. We have paid a lot for an 18 year-old "prospect". With our finances that is some gamble. some one will tell you WE HAD NO OPTIONS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 We had no option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 11 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 11 March, 2009 We had no option. irony i presume Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 irony i presume Of course;) I was thinking about writing a long piece on how spending money on Schneiderlin rather than on Saga or A N Other was a classic Loweism (youth and potential vs experienced and potentially no return), but then got bored:smt017:smt017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 11 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 11 March, 2009 Of course;) I was thinking about writing a long piece on how spending money on Schneiderlin rather than on Saga or A N Other was a classic Loweism (youth and potential vs experienced and potentially no return), but then got bored:smt017:smt017 i suppose RUPERT became anti older players when he was running his retirement business, no wonder he had to get into SFC IN 97 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 So, from the posts on here: Hes no right midfielder. He's no defensive midfielder. He can't tackle or win headers, so he isn't a great central midfielder. He's injury-prone He has shown little ambition to get forward and shoot (my observation) But he can boss a pre-season friendly. And he cost 1.2m. We have paid a lot for an 18 year-old "prospect". With our finances that is some gamble.he cost 750k euro (the euro was not strong at the time ,about 500k) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 11 March, 2009 Share Posted 11 March, 2009 So far he's a bit of a balsa wood enigma but he seems to have something about him...time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 12 March, 2009 Share Posted 12 March, 2009 Also, remember, he's only just 19, adapting to playing & living in a foreign country & playing a lot of games in a struggling team. It was a gamble to sign him, but he does have something about him and I would be amazed if we don't make some good money out of him before we're done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 12 March, 2009 Share Posted 12 March, 2009 Also, remember, he's only just 19, adapting to playing & living in a foreign country & playing a lot of games in a struggling team. It was a gamble to sign him, but he does have something about him and I would be amazed if we don't make some good money out of him before we're done Let's hope that if we get relegated, profit from that gamble makes up for the lost revenue. He's done little so far this season, and was taken off at half-time against Derby because "midfield" wasn't competing, or creating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 12 March, 2009 Share Posted 12 March, 2009 If we could give Spiderman a Gillett attitude transplant we might have the real deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 12 March, 2009 Share Posted 12 March, 2009 he cost 750k euro (the euro was not strong at the time ,about 500k) on the official website - "he signed a four year contract that could rise to 1.5 million Euros." When he signed (June 2008)the Euro was 1.55 to the Pound so an initial 750,000 Euro payment (if that was the first installement - who knows) would have been about £485,000. But seeing as payments are staggered over the course of the four years the remaining 750,000 Euros would cost £695,000 based on the current exchange rate. Effectively as the Pound has weakened Morgan has got more expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather Posted 12 March, 2009 Share Posted 12 March, 2009 I think he's got lots of potential but has flattered to deceive so far. With Saints being in another relegation battle he's not what we really need at the moment as he goes missing to often for my liking, we need him to dominate but isn't good enough to do that yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 12 March, 2009 Share Posted 12 March, 2009 (edited) If you overplay young players you can easily mess up their physical development and make them prone to injuries. Wenger pretty much said we had done that to Walcott. Holmes, who played regularly since 16 often seems to be crocked. Ideally imo he'd only play say 1 in 3 games. Edited 12 March, 2009 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 12 March, 2009 Share Posted 12 March, 2009 the real deal or a french playboy ? cannot make up my mind, concern is that for someone with talent he looked like a fish out of water in a slightly different position. Undeniably, Morgan is a superb talent but he is in the wrong place. He was very badly advised o come to Southampton FC at this stage of our decline and his career. He needs to be at a top Premiership club, he's good enough that's for sure. Right now his mind may not be in a good place as far as Saints are concerned. Only Simon Gillett & Lloyd James look good enough to be on the same stage as him which is the satge of the international theatre. It looks certain he'll go in the close season whatever our plight. Like Jack Cork, he'll realise that for sure life here might be all huddly-cuddly family style chuminess but that ain't gonna pay the rent and fill the cupboard with medals by the time his career is over in 11 years time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkiesaint Posted 12 March, 2009 Share Posted 12 March, 2009 At the beginning of the season he was one of our best players but then got injured. as others have said, he is still coming back from that so I would say reserve judgment for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 12 March, 2009 Share Posted 12 March, 2009 Only Simon Gillett & Lloyd James look good enough to be on the same stage as him which is the satge of the international theatre. I cant tell if that is a dig at Morgan, James and Gillett; or a vastly over the top view of teh 3 of our players and a great disservice to some of the better ones... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 12 March, 2009 Share Posted 12 March, 2009 on the official website - "he signed a four year contract that could rise to 1.5 million Euros." When he signed (June 2008)the Euro was 1.55 to the Pound so an initial 750,000 Euro payment (if that was the first installement - who knows) would have been about £485,000. But seeing as payments are staggered over the course of the four years the remaining 750,000 Euros would cost £695,000 based on the current exchange rate. Effectively as the Pound has weakened Morgan has got more expensive.Chez I think the important word is 'could' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastcowzer Posted 12 March, 2009 Share Posted 12 March, 2009 Let's hope its the first one...for Rupert's sake eh?? Bet he won't go on about how we got him if he turns out sh1te...then it will be Georges Prost's fault...!! One other thing...is Gasmi just here to keep him company...a la Licka (for Rudi) and Chala (for Delgado)?? Nothing wrong with Mario Licka. A damn sight more go than energyballs McG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 12 March, 2009 Share Posted 12 March, 2009 Nothing wrong with Mario Licka. A damn sight more go than energyballs McG i dont think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 12 March, 2009 Share Posted 12 March, 2009 If you overplay young players you can easily mess up their physical development and make them prone to injuries. Wenger pretty much said we had done that to Walcott. Holmes, who played regularly since 16 often seems to be crocked. Ideally imo he'd only play say 1 in 3 games. Pity Lowe hasn't heard that, isn't it. Chucks cold water over the "play youngsters" policy somewhat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaptopSaint Posted 12 March, 2009 Share Posted 12 March, 2009 If we stay up, and if Morgan stays, I think he could well be our best player next season. He needs to get stuck in more, no doubt, but he's a class above 95% of this division. If we don't treble our money at the very least when we eventually sell I will eat my 1979 League Cup Final scarf (Austin Hayes RIP) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 12 March, 2009 Share Posted 12 March, 2009 If you overplay young players you can easily mess up their physical development and make them prone to injuries. Wenger pretty much said we had done that to Walcott. Holmes, who played regularly since 16 often seems to be crocked. Ideally imo he'd only play say 1 in 3 games. I don't remember Walcott having injury problems with us. And there is no way that is going to cut the mustard as an excuse for MS this season. He has been injured as often as he's been fit and has only started 22 games for us this season. That isn't over doing it for a 19 year old, not by a long shot. Nothing wrong with Mario Licka. A damn sight more go than energyballs McG I'd agree with that. Both provide a goal once in a blue moon, but Licka had a better work ethic and a lot of creativity in his locker. i dont think so. I do. If we stay up, and if Morgan stays, I think he could well be our best player next season. He needs to get stuck in more, no doubt, but he's a class above 95% of this division. If we don't treble our money at the very least when we eventually sell I will eat my 1979 League Cup Final scarf (Austin Hayes RIP) Because he can string a few passes together? He has a bright future IMO, but he isn't even a class above 95% of Saints squad, let alone 22 other better teams. Would you like any sauce with that scarf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 12 March, 2009 Share Posted 12 March, 2009 seems no better or worse than Tim Sparv to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 12 March, 2009 Share Posted 12 March, 2009 To be fair he would get in the Lowey Luvvies team. But he definitely would not get in the anti Lowey team..They're too rough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 12 March, 2009 Share Posted 12 March, 2009 I think he's a good player... but I cant help but think he's filling in time before moving elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southamptonfclegend Posted 12 March, 2009 Share Posted 12 March, 2009 Let's hope that if we get relegated, profit from that gamble makes up for the lost revenue. He's done little so far this season, and was taken off at half-time against Derby because "midfield" wasn't competing, or creating. TBF look at Drogba... first season in the England not a lot and he was much older and then after that he has adapted rather well give the lad a chance... he's a great passer of the ball and played in the right position will be a very good player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southamptonfclegend Posted 12 March, 2009 Share Posted 12 March, 2009 first season in the England he did not a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 12 March, 2009 Share Posted 12 March, 2009 He might show a bit of potential but in our current situation he has been a complete waste of money. We were not in the position to speculate a few quid on untried French kids this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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