This Season - Carbon Copy of Prem Relegation

[Channon's Sideburns]

I've said it before this season.

 

This year is a carbon copy of when we were relegated from the Prem.

 

1. Poor appointment of 'coach';

 

2. Changing coach too late when damage is done;

 

3. Squad high on quantity, not quality;

 

4. Appointing a coach too late - who can do something but not with one hand behind his back.

 

'Rupert Lowe's definitive guide to fookin over a Football Club'

Endorsed by Guy Askham, Mike Richards, Old Man Withers from the Amusement Park, Our Man on the Terraces Mike Wilde and David Windsor-Clive.

[hypochondriac]

I don't think we have much quantity or quality, except maybe in midfield but we have hardly any strikers or midfielders.

[Badger]

I agree with the points made by Channon's Sideburns.

 

Perhaps we are awaiting another - third - 'coach' to be appointed this season.Plus an idiotic sending off of a crucial member of the squad in the run in to make it complete.

 

We may have already had the midfielder 'skewed a shot wide' at a crucial stage of the game moment to mirror 2005.

[Mr X]

I've said it before this season.

 

This year is a carbon copy of when we were relegated from the Prem.

 

1. Poor appointment of 'coach';

 

2. Changing coach too late when damage is done;

 

3. Squad high on quantity, not quality;

 

4. Appointing a coach too late - who can do something but not with one hand behind his back.

 

'Rupert Lowe's definitive guide to fookin over a Football Club'

Endorsed by Guy Askham, Mike Richards, Old Man Withers from the Amusement Park, Our Man on the Terraces Mike Wilde and David Windsor-Clive.

 

Will we go down in your opinion?

[Frank's cousin]

When put like that - it makes scary reading...... I woudl add that Lowe's biggets mistake relegation year was hi belief that the squad was good enough to get us to survive regardles of who was in charge.... and I think he genuinely felt that the 'kids' playing the total football would be good enough in a division marked by the direct approach.... uhm...

[dubai_phil]

One glimmer of hope though - we haven't been 3-0 up at home and then fooked it up yet (like we were against Villa)

[JustMike]

When put like that - it makes scary reading...... I woudl add that Lowe's biggets mistake relegation year was hi belief that the squad was good enough to get us to survive regardles of who was in charge.... and I think he genuinely felt that the 'kids' playing the total football would be good enough in a division marked by the direct approach.... uhm...

 

yep agree, yet more evidance that the football should be left to those that know what they're doing. Cheers Rupes

[Channon's Sideburns]

Will we go down in your opinion?

 

I would have thought with your intuition of what the Joker is up to in Gotham you would have worked that out !!

 

Sadly I think that we have little chance of staying up - Wotte has been crying out for a loanee to freshen things up, but as Rupey and Mikey won't play ball, I reckon that would have been the last throw of the dice.

 

Add that to my list of Rupey's mistakes..he can't help himself.

 

If I ever see Askham in the street I'd trip him over. B@stard and worse than Lowe and Wilde put together.

[Thedelldays]

When put like that - it makes scary reading...... I woudl add that Lowe's biggets mistake relegation year was hi belief that the squad was good enough to get us to survive regardles of who was in charge.... and I think he genuinely felt that the 'kids' playing the total football would be good enough in a division marked by the direct approach.... uhm...

i would say that was most people of TSW idea of success..

 

who remember slating arry and burley for NOT playing the kids and slating the style of billy davies and being very against to him possibly coming here.??

 

it all happened...

 

then we got a more pleasing style WITH the kids...

 

some fans got their cake and now wont eat it

[Under Weststand]

Scary Reading Isn't it. We brought in a group of young loans at the start of the season with the exception of Cork were all not up to it, so once again Quantity not quality. Now we have neither. Same mistake's repeated again can only hope the END result Isn't the same. After all that is all I've got now Hope, I certainly don't have much in the way of belief.

[Channon's Sideburns]

I don't think we have much quantity or quality, except maybe in midfield but we have hardly any strikers or midfielders.

 

Hypo...on the midfielders..

 

Gasmi

Smith

Thomson

Gillett

Surman

Schneiderlin

Boyle

Wotton

Holmes

Gobern

Pulis

 

That's 11 - like I said, quantity over quality.

[Rod Le Shearer]

Hypo...on the midfielders..

 

Gasmi

Smith

Thomson

Gillett

Surman

Schneiderlin

Boyle

Wotton

Holmes

Gobern

Pulis

 

That's 11 - like I said, quantity over quality.

 

you can add Mcgoldrick and Lallana to that list aswell.. both being utilised in the centre of midfield under Wotte.

[Wade Garrett]

One glimmer of hope though - we haven't been 3-0 up at home and then fooked it up yet (like we were against Villa)

 

We were 2-0 in that game, not 3-0.

 

We still lost though.

[St Paul]

And people still stick up for Lowe, unbelievable.

[St Landrew]

I've said it before this season.

 

This year is a carbon copy of when we were relegated from the Prem.

 

1. Poor appointment of 'coach';

 

2. Changing coach too late when damage is done;

 

3. Squad high on quantity, not quality;

 

4. Appointing a coach too late - who can do something but not with one hand behind his back.

 

'Rupert Lowe's definitive guide to fookin over a Football Club'

Endorsed by Guy Askham, Mike Richards, Old Man Withers from the Amusement Park, Our Man on the Terraces Mike Wilde and David Windsor-Clive.

 

Like yourself CS, I've seen those similarities, almost as soon as Lowe and Co came back as the Board. I would add that if Lowe and Co are allowed to continue to save SFC, we will be bantering this on the verge of relegation from League One as well, possibly League Two. Our football will be terrible. The profits, if any, will be tiny, but no doubt managable, and considered successful by the same Board. They don't seem to realise that it all stands and falls on having the finest players and manager you can just about afford [or even possibly not afford for a while] to get yourself up the league. If you don't prioritise your resources into making the 1st team the finest you possibly can, you're a goner, and everything, but everything else fails.

 

Or are we to have a rugby league/union/hockey/football club/gig venue instead..?

[St Paul]

Like yourself CS, I've seen those similarities, almost as soon as Lowe and Co came back as the Board. I would add that if Lowe and Co are allowed to continue to save SFC, we will be bantering this on the verge of relegation from League One as well, possibly League Two. Our football will be terrible. The profits, if any, will be tiny, but no doubt managable, and considered successful by the same Board. They don't seem to realise that it all stands and falls on having the finest players and manager you can just about afford [or even possibly not afford for a while] to get yourself up the league. If you don't prioritise your resources into making the 1st team the finest you possibly can, you're a goner, and everything, but everything else fails.

 

Or are we to have a rugby league/union/hockey/football club/gig venue instead..?

 

I always thought that if Lowe could make a profit as a League one side, he would be happier than making a small loss in the CCC.This is why Clubs should not be PLC's and people like Lowe nowhere near them.

[CB Fry]

To be fair, this is probably a "carbon copy" of nearly every team that has been relegated from all four divisions in the last twenty years.

[Chez]

I've said it before this season.

 

This year is a carbon copy of when we were relegated from the Prem.

 

1. Poor appointment of 'coach';

 

2. Changing coach too late when damage is done;

 

3. Squad high on quantity, not quality;

 

4. Appointing a coach too late - who can do something but not with one hand behind his back.

 

'Rupert Lowe's definitive guide to fookin over a Football Club'

Endorsed by Guy Askham, Mike Richards, Old Man Withers from the Amusement Park, Our Man on the Terraces Mike Wilde and David Windsor-Clive.

 

last season had some similar traits to the relegation season

- three coaches in a season

- the second being totally out of their depth

- failure to find a decent injury free centre back

[Saint Fan CaM]

To be fair, this is probably a "carbon copy" of nearly every team that has been relegated from all four divisions in the last twenty years.

 

 

Rubbish. There are plenty of examples of how not to "do a Southampton". Reading for a start - a well managed football club who chose a good Manager - stuck with him and will no doubt reap rewards again this season. "Carbon Copy" my @rse!

[OldNick]

Rubbish. There are plenty of examples of how not to "do a Southampton". Reading for a start - a well managed football club who chose a good Manager - stuck with him and will no doubt reap rewards again this season. "Carbon Copy" my @rse!

A multi millionaire owner who does not splash the cash above the clubs budget.

[Thedelldays]

Rubbish. There are plenty of examples of how not to "do a Southampton". Reading for a start - a well managed football club who chose a good Manager - stuck with him and will no doubt reap rewards again this season. "Carbon Copy" my @rse!

reading..?

 

so, you are saying they were right NOT to take a risk in splashing some cash to stay up...?

 

the very thing lowe gets slated for time and time again...?

[aintforever]

You cant compare us to Reading, they have a sugar daddy.

 

The one important similarity with our two relegation seasons is Lowe's failure to get the right manager.

[SaintRobbie]

I always thought that if Lowe could make a profit as a League one side, he would be happier than making a small loss in the CCC.This is why Clubs should not be PLC's and people like Lowe nowhere near them.

 

 

I think there's alot of truth in that.

[Frank's cousin]

I think there's alot of truth in that.

 

Nah, as many have pointed out his ego is huge and that kind of ego can really only be massaged in the premierleague.

[Alanh]

I've said it before this season.

 

This year is a carbon copy of when we were relegated from the Prem.

 

1. Poor appointment of 'coach';

 

2. Changing coach too late when damage is done;

 

3. Squad high on quantity, not quality;

 

4. Appointing a coach too late - who can do something but not with one hand behind his back.

 

'Rupert Lowe's definitive guide to fookin over a Football Club'

Endorsed by Guy Askham, Mike Richards, Old Man Withers from the Amusement Park, Our Man on the Terraces Mike Wilde and David Windsor-Clive.

 

Some similaritles, but as Chez says, last season was much more like our Prem relegation season. This year has felt more like a continuation of the last 3 months of last season despite the change in management at boardroom and team level as the team has struggled to develop any confidence and our performances have stuttered as a result. We have gone backwards as a club this season thanks to the need to cut costs and the poor appointment of JP who could not put together an effective team for this division. Even with the constraints of the players who were out on loan a better manager than JP would have been able to get more out of the squad available.

 

Ultimately you are right about one thing though. If we go down this season it will be firmly because Lowe decided on the relatively high risk strategy of appointing JP as manager and the risk did not pay off.

[OldNick]

Nah' date=' as many have pointed out his ego is huge and that kind of ego can really only be massaged in the premierleague.[/quote']That is what I have been told by some of his hunting fishiong friends as well. Lol

[Whitey Grandad]

Rubbish. There are plenty of examples of how not to "do a Southampton". Reading for a start - a well managed football club who chose a good Manager - stuck with him and will no doubt reap rewards again this season. "Carbon Copy" my @rse!

If I remember correctly, Coppell was paid around £1.2m a year in the premiership and this fell to about £720k p.a. after relegation. I doubt that we have been paying anything close to those figures.

[SaintRobbie]

That is what I have been told by some of his hunting fishiong friends as well. Lol

 

Me too - from some of the dads at his kids boarding school.

[CB Fry]

Rubbish. There are plenty of examples of how not to "do a Southampton". Reading for a start - a well managed football club who chose a good Manager - stuck with him and will no doubt reap rewards again this season. "Carbon Copy" my @rse!

 

Reading stick with Coppell because he took them up in the first place and kept them there and is by far the best qualified person to keep them up. Not quite sure how that is any way comparable to SFC.

 

The point is Reading when they went down had too much quantity and not enough quality in the squad, just like in the first post.

 

My point is almost all relegations are sprung from the same reasons - managers/chopping and changing/lack of quality players etc etc.

 

Saying our relegation this time is the same as our relegation last time is pretty weak point.

 

Charltons relegation from the Prem was the same as ours, and their relegation from the CCC is the same again. Forest, or Norwich, or Watford, or Blackpool should they go down will be the carbon copy again. Pompey, Boro, Blackburn, Newcastle this season will be a carbon copy.

 

You seem to be under the illusion that every other relegation is down to brilliantly run clubs being a bit unlucky but Southampton relegations are completely unique?

[Channon's Sideburns]

Reading stick with Coppell because he took them up in the first place and kept them there and is by far the best qualified person to keep them up. Not quite sure how that is any way comparable to SFC.

 

The point is Reading when they went down had too much quantity and not enough quality in the squad, just like in the first post.

 

My point is almost all relegations are sprung from the same reasons - managers/chopping and changing/lack of quality players etc etc.

 

Saying our relegation this time is the same as our relegation last time is pretty weak point.

 

Charltons relegation from the Prem was the same as ours, and their relegation from the CCC is the same again. Forest, or Norwich, or Watford, or Blackpool should they go down will be the carbon copy again. Pompey, Boro, Blackburn, Newcastle this season will be a carbon copy.

 

You seem to be under the illusion that every other relegation is down to brilliantly run clubs being a bit unlucky but Southampton relegations are completely unique?

 

 

CB... I'm not saying that other clubs relegated have been run brilliantly - TBF I only care about Saints.

 

You are right - chopping and changing players/coaches/directors/tea ladies has never worked for teams in the long run.

 

Such a shame that we continue to be run by a CEO who must know more about Employment Law than he knows about football.

[um pahars]

You seem to be under the illusion that every other relegation is down to brilliantly run clubs being a bit unlucky but Southampton relegations are completely unique?

 

I think mistakes can be, and are made at every club and will often contribute to relegation. And of course they may not be the same mistakes from one season to the next.

 

Additionally, I think some relegations just come down to the fact that many clubs can't make the jump to the big time and stay their due to lack of quality in their playing squad and/or lack of resources to support that.

 

But I do think there has been a certain degree of similarity between our demise in 2005 and the current situation e.g. poor managerial appointment, poor transfer policy and acquisitions, sticking with that poor manager too long etc etc etc.

 

We're certainly not unique and we are following in the footsteps of many others and I'm sure there will be many more.

[brmbrm]

I've said it before this season.

 

This year is a carbon copy of when we were relegated from the Prem.

 

1. Poor appointment of 'coach';

 

2. Changing coach too late when damage is done;

 

3. Squad high on quantity, not quality;

 

4. Appointing a coach too late - who can do something but not with one hand behind his back.

 

100% right. People talk about "doing a Leeds". If we go down, people will talk about "doing a Lowe": exactly the sort of philosphy, stratgey and managment you list above.

[Whitey Grandad]

100% right. People talk about "doing a Leeds". If we go down, people will talk about "doing a Lowe": exactly the sort of philosphy, stratgey and managment you list above.

Or 'getting the Lowe down'?

 

I'll get me coat...

[alki_in_korea]

or 2 up with minutes remaining and ****d up like at boro. or winning in the dying seconds and shot from 20odd yards rather than run to the corner n drawn like against everton.

[Whitey Grandad]

or 2 up with minutes remaining and ****d up like at boro. or winning in the dying seconds and shot from 20odd yards rather than run to the corner n drawn like against everton.

I was watching the game in which Crouch was playing at the weekend and I noticed that in the last few minutes he ran the ball into the corner to waste time. The commentator made some remark about 'Crouch using his experience to run down play'. It makes you want to spit, dunnit?