Mole Posted 18 April, 2009 Share Posted 18 April, 2009 Whatever happens over the summer he must be sacked. Both him and Portvliet have been absolutely diabolical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 18 April, 2009 Share Posted 18 April, 2009 Got to agree - to reward absolute failure is not an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 18 April, 2009 Share Posted 18 April, 2009 It's pretty obvious if we go down he'll be gone. No need for a campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 18 April, 2009 Share Posted 18 April, 2009 Never should have been at the club in the first place and should have gone with JP. NO IDEA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 18 April, 2009 Share Posted 18 April, 2009 I guess the new regime (assuming there is one!) will install there own man and clear the decks completely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 18 April, 2009 Share Posted 18 April, 2009 New owners, new manager, new players (by and large) Its hard to see how it could be any worse than what we have now. If it is then about 10,000 of us must have been right bastards in a previous life !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 18 April, 2009 Share Posted 18 April, 2009 No need to sack him as I presume he's on one of those short term or rolling contracts . We should save additional cash by avoiding any success bonus payments this season - come to think of it Rupert's masterplan's starting to make sense now . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 18 April, 2009 Share Posted 18 April, 2009 Not being funny, but pearson only won 3 games and drew 7, and you all want him back ?? The only reason i understood it was because of stability, if it was not for the players not knowing what the hell was going on at end of season i think Wotte would have done it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 18 April, 2009 Share Posted 18 April, 2009 Not being funny, but pearson only won 3 games and drew 7, and you all want him back ?? The only reason i understood it was because of stability, if it was not for the players not knowing what the hell was going on at end of season i think Wotte would have done it. difference is Pearson did it with players he inheirited , look what he did this season with players he picked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 18 April, 2009 Share Posted 18 April, 2009 And Wotte inherited these players too, i agree JP was completely incompetent but i don't feel Wotte has done that bad. TBF if you were told at work you probably won't have a job at the end of the month would you keep working to the best of your ability ?? Plus pearson did it this season in league 1with a championship team with money. Don't get me wrong it's still not easy and he has done a great job but thats the reality of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 18 April, 2009 Share Posted 18 April, 2009 And Wotte inherited these players too, i agree JP was completely incompetent but i don't feel Wotte has done that bad. TBF if you were told at work you probably won't have a job at the end of the month would you keep working to the best of your ability ?? Plus pearson did it this season in league 1with a championship team with money. Don't get me wrong it's still not easy and he has done a great job but thats the reality of it. BUT like Mick McCarthy he has not spend a vast amount of money, Wotte was at the club and must have some input regarding the rubbish we bought into the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 18 April, 2009 Share Posted 18 April, 2009 It's pretty obvious if we go down he'll be gone. No need for a campaign. Agreed. And even if we stay up he's out IMHO. So please post on the new manager thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreog Posted 18 April, 2009 Share Posted 18 April, 2009 He will go........new board.......clean sweep......only way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 18 April, 2009 Share Posted 18 April, 2009 BUT like Mick McCarthy he has not spend a vast amount of money' date=' Wotte was at the club and must have some input regarding the rubbish we bought into the club.[/quote'] Cork Pearce Saegis were good Wotton Reasonable Robertson Pekart poor Holmes Smith Schenderlein Gasmi hard to tell I think Hockaday had a lot of influence in bringing in players at the begginning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 18 April, 2009 Share Posted 18 April, 2009 Posted this on the new manager thread but... how about sacking Wotte this week and packing the stadium for MLT as manager and playing for pride... for the last 2 games? (ps... dont give Matt the job next season though! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 18 April, 2009 Share Posted 18 April, 2009 BUT like Mick McCarthy he has not spend a vast amount of money' date=' Wotte was at the club and must have some input regarding the rubbish we bought into the club.[/quote'] Unfortunately i feel the only real people with real influence was the barclays strings and lowe. We didn't have the money to make dents. Plus with Mick McCarthy look at the squad compared with other CCC squads ?? It's pretty much advantaged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestSaint Posted 18 April, 2009 Share Posted 18 April, 2009 And Wotte inherited these players too, i agree JP was completely incompetent but i don't feel Wotte has done that bad. You may not feel that the Wotte has done badly but I do not believe the club will progress wih him as a manager. We need a new manager with enthusiasm that can inspire and motivate players. A fresh face is required Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1Minus10 Posted 18 April, 2009 Share Posted 18 April, 2009 Wotte never had a chance. He's not bad but he's not what we needed. It's unfair to totally write him off given what he inherited but he has to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 18 April, 2009 Share Posted 18 April, 2009 And Wotte inherited these players too, i agree JP was completely incompetent but i don't feel Wotte has done that bad. You may not feel that the Wotte has done badly but I do not believe the club will progress wih him as a manager. We need a new manager with enthusiasm that can inspire and motivate players. A fresh face is required So much for Rupert's glorious Dutch revolution. It was doomed before it started. What a waste of a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 18 April, 2009 Share Posted 18 April, 2009 And Wotte inherited these players too, i agree JP was completely incompetent but i don't feel Wotte has done that bad. You may not feel that the Wotte has done badly but I do not believe the club will progress wih him as a manager. We need a new manager with enthusiasm that can inspire and motivate players. A fresh face is required Ok, here we go, in fear of being called hypocritical (i am actually not) i agree we need a clean sweep sweap but only because of everything going on, i actually feel he has not been given a fair chance. My issue is everyone hailing pearson as a would be saviour when he has a worse record than wotte. It makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestSaint Posted 18 April, 2009 Share Posted 18 April, 2009 Ok, here we go, in fear of being called hypocritical (i am actually not) i agree we need a clean sweep sweap but only because of everything going on, i actually feel he has not been given a fair chance. My issue is everyone hailing pearson as a would be saviour when he has a worse record than wotte. It makes no sense. I believe that people recognise passion in a manager as a positive thing and even more so when it can be seen to motivate players. Pearson also recognised last season that certain positions particulary in defence required change and successfully brought in the players to do that. He made the changes he felt were required to a dis-spirited team that he inherited and by the skin of his teeth kept us in the division from where we should have built this season However Jan and Wotte have had all season to work with the players they had available. I do not believe either of them to be motivators and we find ourselves now almost relegated. The style of play - one man up front is awful and to play this way at home is almost criminal. We have won barely three or four home games all season and the system does not work fin the league we are currently in and would not work in D1. Anyway I have wasted enough of my life today on SFC !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 18 April, 2009 Share Posted 18 April, 2009 So much for Rupert's glorious Dutch revolution. It was doomed before it started. What a waste of a season. And next season as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Posted this on the new manager thread but... how about sacking Wotte this week and packing the stadium for MLT as manager and playing for pride... for the last 2 games? (ps... dont give Matt the job next season though! ) You know if it is all about numbers through the turnstiles to keep the club going then that aint a bad idea. We are down anyway so there would be nothing to lose but a few extra £££'s to gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 I think that we would be safe now if we had started the season with Wotte. He has less to work with than Pearson did and hasn't done much worse. Any manager can only do so much but once the whistle blows it is down to those on the pitch to perform. We have certain posters on here constantly telling us how rubbish George Burley was (despite him being our "best" manager in terms of points gained. When things are cr*p people look to apportion blame to one individual when, in truth, it is usually down to many factors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 And next season as well. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 I think that we would be safe now if we had started the season with Wotte. He has less to work with than Pearson did and hasn't done much worse. Any manager can only do so much but once the whistle blows it is down to those on the pitch to perform. We have certain posters on here constantly telling us how rubbish George Burley was (despite him being our "best" manager in terms of points gained. When things are cr*p people look to apportion blame to one individual when, in truth, it is usually down to many factors. I dont. I think Wotte would have had the same daft youth policy to deal with as JP (who I regard as being slightly better; certainly the evidence shows him asa more successful manager in terms of achievements to date). Result would have been relegation sooner or same IMHO. No - the Club Policy was the daft bit... and ironically it was one that Wotte promoted. Sorry, Wotte was one of the bad cells that was part of the now eradicated Lowe-cancer. I am sure he's about to be surgically removed to finish the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Whatever happens over the summer he must be sacked. Both him and Portvliet have been absolutely diabolical. Feck the summer, he needs to be sacked while it is still Spring. We need him out as soon as the final whistle goes against Forest. New people in and planning for next season as soon as possible, there will be a huge amount to do building a completely new squad, because almost all of the shower of ****e that currently play in the 1st team need to go as well (James, Davis & Saeijs would be my only exceptions, plus Gillett & Holmes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Feck the summer, he needs to be sacked while it is still Spring. We need him out as soon as the final whistle goes against Forest. New people in and planning for next season as soon as possible, there will be a huge amount to do building a completely new squad, because almost all of the shower of ****e that currently play in the 1st team need to go as well (James, Davis & Saeijs would be my only exceptions, plus Gillett & Holmes). That is the optimal situation IMHO. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 I think that we would be safe now if we had started the season with Wotte. He has less to work with than Pearson did and hasn't done much worse. Any manager can only do so much but once the whistle blows it is down to those on the pitch to perform. We have certain posters on here constantly telling us how rubbish George Burley was (despite him being our "best" manager in terms of points gained. When things are cr*p people look to apportion blame to one individual when, in truth, it is usually down to many factors. wow a balanced post . i thought this thread was about the Lynch mobs latest victim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulSaint Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 W o t t e ....u ....t i n c e n Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 No messing here boyzzz...As you know JP should have gone a lot earlier we have to be positive with Wotte.....Exit door now...Please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Out of interest who would sack Wotte this week? Mr Fry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint 76er Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Out of interest who would sack Wotte this week? Mr Fry? Robbie, I presume he could but in reality not a chance. Reason is that as administrator Fry is liable for all debts he incurs from his appointment and he will not want to add Wottes pay off (probably a years salary) to the debts he must personally clear when selling the PLC, especially as indications are that no one is likely to stump up big bucks. A small scale buyout gives Fry problems in clearing debts and I am sure he will be happy to leave the Wotte problem to the new owners, assuming he is lucky enough to find someone. Also I guess Fry will now believe we are beyond saving this season, just like the rest of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 He has too go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Wotte is a good manager, and he should be encouraged to stay, he will take us back up to the CCC and beyond. I love him he is fantastic at motivation and knows the english league like the back of his hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 .........i don't feel Wotte has done that bad.... What??????????????????????????????????? Second to bottom, relegated, **** all wins and you don't feel he "has done that bad"?????? What sort of standards do you have? Whats OKish then - bottom? What's bad? Fail to turn up? jeeez mid-table would be "hasn't done that bad". Plus he's been here all season with preseason too, rather than being parachuted in at the last minute to try and save a sinking ship. He isn't up to mananing in the CCC, and probably not Div 1 or 2 either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfredKo Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 To be fair he did gain more points than Nigel Pearson with a much weaker squad. If we only gain the amount of points that Nigel Pearson was in charge last season, we will be relagated with Charlton already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTONS EAST SIDE Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 (edited) I think that we would be safe now if we had started the season with Wotte. He has less to work with than Pearson did and hasn't done much worse. Any manager can only do so much but once the whistle blows it is down to those on the pitch to perform. We have certain posters on here constantly telling us how rubbish George Burley was (despite him being our "best" manager in terms of points gained. When things are cr*p people look to apportion blame to one individual when, in truth, it is usually down to many factors.Sorry i dont buy this! If Wotte had RL's ear, he would have had JP out sooner. The fact that he didnt means he had more input in the team than he's letting on. So no Wotte takes as much blame as JP. Because keeping Jp(+Wotte) in the job for as long as L**E did (because he didnt want to be wrong) cost us our champ status! I think that spells it out clearly enough!!!! As for that old Burley chestnut, yes it was a good move first off.But the last 10months or so he was here, he had clearly lost interest(A.Brazil-talksport) and was doing the team no favours at all with his strange selections! So yeah ! he was a failure in the end for Saints ,because he didnt want to be here! HTH Edited 19 April, 2009 by SOTONS EAST SIDE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Another one trick pony, the diamond midfield is plan A-Z. I don't want to see another season with acres of space on the wings being exploited by the opposition. The formation we are currently playing is negative and limited with the lack of ability and imagination of most of our players. Our downfall this year is as much down to the management as any other reason. We have hardly scored a goal from play in the six yard box all season, yet decent teams score 50-60% of all their goals from general play in the six yard box. We have also conceded a high proportion of goals in our six yard box. We need a manager who believes in attacking football, who will play down the wings and get players concentrating on getting to the byeline and balls into the box. That doesn't mean relying on the fullback pumping in balls from just inside the opponents half being gobbled up by the defence. If the crowds are going to come back, it will only be through exciting attacking football producing goals and results. It is all very well employing technical coaches as managers but most of them fail because of it. We need a MANAGER not a bloody blown up coach. There is a hell of a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 To be fair he did gain more points than Nigel Pearson with a much weaker squad. If we only gain the amount of points that Nigel Pearson was in charge last season, we will be relagated with Charlton already. If you agree Pearson was in charge for 13 games (pretty unfair to throw in Plymouth away) then the records so far are: Pearson = 1.23 points per game Poortvliet = 0.93 points per game Wotte = 1.13 points per game Extrapolating for 46 games that would be: Pearson = 1.23 points per game (57 points mid table) Poortvliet = 0.93 points per game (43 points definitely relegated) Wotte = 52 points (mid table to bottomish but not relegated) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 If you agree Pearson was in charge for 13 games (pretty unfair to throw in Plymouth away) then the records so far are: Pearson = 1.23 points per game Poortvliet = 0.93 points per game Wotte = 1.13 points per game Extrapolating for 46 games that would be: Pearson = 1.23 points per game (57 points mid table) Poortvliet = 0.93 points per game (43 points definitely relegated) Wotte = 52 points (mid table to bottomish but not relegated) interesting post not much difference between wotte and pearson. i think rupert and wildes biggest mistake this season was not keeping pearson has manager . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Another one trick pony, the diamond midfield is plan A-Z. I don't want to see another season with acres of space on the wings being exploited by the opposition. The formation we are currently playing is negative and limited with the lack of ability and imagination of most of our players. Our downfall this year is as much down to the management as any other reason. We have hardly scored a goal from play in the six yard box all season, yet decent teams score 50-60% of all their goals from general play in the six yard box. We have also conceded a high proportion of goals in our six yard box. We need a manager who believes in attacking football, who will play down the wings and get players concentrating on getting to the byeline and balls into the box. That doesn't mean relying on the fullback pumping in balls from just inside the opponents half being gobbled up by the defence. If the crowds are going to come back, it will only be through exciting attacking football producing goals and results. It is all very well employing technical coaches as managers but most of them fail because of it. We need a MANAGER not a bloody blown up coach. There is a hell of a difference. VERY WELL PUT!!! There is no width and the opppsition just get it out wide where they can run 40 yards without challenge. Wotte has repeated this failed formation time and time and time again, that is stupid to say the least. WOTTE IS NOT UP TO THE JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 Whatever happens over the summer he must be sacked. Both him and Portvliet have been absolutely diabolical. .........well, let's wait until the 4th May at least... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 I would rather we did this at the end of the season as there is no point in a change two games out. A lot of blame must be pointed at the two coaches but a poor squad with strikers loaned out and far too many untried youngsters is also a lot to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 wotte is a good manager, and he should be encouraged to stay, he will take us back up to the ccc and beyond. I love him he is fantastic at motivation and knows the english league like the back of his hand. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 Whatever happens over the summer he must be sacked. Both him and Portvliet have been absolutely diabolical. Pearson just kept us up on the last day of the season as other results went our way. He had a much stronger squad. These are indisputible facts. You can argue that it wasn't his squad, but equally you can argue that the squad Wotte inheritied, although likely he had some say in it, was built under far greater financial constraints than the squad Pearson inherited. And yet Pearson is the messiah and Wotte needs to be sacked whatever? I don't think he'll keep us up - other results just aren't going our way this time round. And I don't think he should stay whatever happens, I don't think he's the right manager for our situation. However he has done nothing to deserve this vilification . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 I don't think he'll keep us up - other results just aren't going our way this time round..... However he has done nothing to deserve this vilification . Other results aren't going our way!!! Since beating Ipswich we have won just one game in the last 9, and have failed to record a win in any of the following 'winnable' 6 games: we couldn't beat Derby, QPR or Charlton (FFS!) at home, and we failed to win at Blackpool, Watford, or Wednesday. For how long do you rely on 'other teams' results? We have won 4 home games all season! That's relegation form in anybody's book. As for Wotte not deserving vilification? He trains the team, he picks the team, he selects the tactics; his results and the performances of 'his' team speak for themselves. He hasn't got the first clue about our club, this League or English football. Diamond formation with these players, in this league? LMFAO! If we had a chairman I would have expected him to have been out the door at 10.00 this morning following the debacle of Saturday. It really doesn't matter who picks the team and runs the bench for these last 2 games; nobody could do worse than Wotte did on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 It's pretty obvious if we go down he'll be gone. No need for a campaign. Damn. There goes my "LET'S GET SHOT OF WOTTE" banner ideas... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyd Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 We need a manager with real leadership skills and the current boss doesn't have it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 I find it hard to slate Wotte too much as the players at the club right now are simply not good enough. Whether he is partly to blame for some of those players being here I don't know, but whoever signed Wotton, Holmes, Gasmi etc. has to hold their hands up and take some of the blame. You can't polish a turd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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