Fitzhugh Fella Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Do they still apply now Southampton Leisure Holdings no longer exists? Will Paul Sturrock, Stuart Gray, Harry Redknapp and Co now have their say? Anyone legally qualified to answer this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 If they are sensible then I doubt they would care. Does it really matter? We all know Lowe is a knobhead and we don't really need anyone else confirming this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Not legally qualified but what is to stop them? I mean who will actually inforce it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 I was thinking the same last week. It would be very interesting to say the least! I would guess that if / when SLH is finally wound up, the NDA's would be worthless, so people would be free to speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 I'm surprised there's not one on you FF, to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Probably have to be adhered to until SLH is actually wound up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Sounds like you're failing fast Duncan as you life flashes so speedily before you and analyse past memories. I'm feeling very concerned for your state of mind. The listed persons were employed by Southampton Football Club, which is still in existance. Therefore, any such agreements or conditions will still apply, unless the status of the club changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 27 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 27 April, 2009 I'm surprised there's not one on you FF, to be honest. you know you don't mean that Ponty. No, its a serious question especially if the accurate history of the PLC years is to be "written". The more people able to tell their side of things the better the perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocco boxo Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 I am breaking mine.............Rupert Lowe is **** of the highest order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 27 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Sounds like you're failing fast Duncan as you life flashes so speedily before you and analyse past memories. I'm feeling very concerned for your state of mind. The listed persons were employed by Southampton Football Club, which is still in existance. Therefore, any such agreements or conditions will still apply, unless the status of the club changes. Don't worry about me old boy. I am not so sure you are right there Art, surely it was with the PLC that the contracts were drawn. The FC was just an extension of the PLC (hence the friggin points deduction)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 I am not qualified but this is my take on it. It depends if the NDA is between xxxx & Lowe or xxxx & Southampton FC If it is xxxx & Lowe then it still stands and Lowe could sue. If it is against xxxx & Southampton FC then it would be at the discretion of the new owners as to whether they would relax the NDA's or be bothered if they were broken. I am not sure if any of the people under NDA's would be that bothered to phone up and clarify the situation anyway, unless they have a book coming out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 you know you don't mean that Ponty. No, its a serious question especially if the accurate history of the PLC years is to be "written". The more people able to tell their side of things the better the perspective. I think it very important that this story is written, Dunc. Any chance of you getting a comission from someone to research and write it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 I am not qualified but this is my take on it. It depends if the NDA is between xxxx & Lowe or xxxx & Southampton FC If it is xxxx & Lowe then it still stands and Lowe could sue. If it is against xxxx & Southampton FC then it would be at the discretion of the new owners as to whether they would relax the NDA's or be bothered if they were broken. Agree with this assessment, and I reckon Lowe is thorough enough that it is with him personally as well as SFC / SLH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oz Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 kiss and tell, now in order imho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 I am not qualified but this is my take on it. It depends if the NDA is between xxxx & Lowe or xxxx & Southampton FC If it is xxxx & Lowe then it still stands and Lowe could sue. If it is against xxxx & Southampton FC then it would be at the discretion of the new owners as to whether they would relax the NDA's or be bothered if they were broken. I am not sure if any of the people under NDA's would be that bothered to phone up and clarify the situation anyway, unless they have a book coming out. Surely you jest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Surely you jest? I think Stu is being modest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Surely you jest? I am not qualified, as in I did not do a degree in law ( students are c*nts ) , but I am more than qualified to comment on most subjects, mainly due to me being so naturally intelligent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 I am not qualified, as in I did not do a degree in law ( students are c*nts ) , but I am more than qualified to comment on most subjects, mainly due to me being so naturally intelligent. Well that's what I thought! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WealdSaint Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 If ,as most of us hope, the new owners have nothing to do with the previous regime then I can't imagine them bothering to enforce any gagging orders anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 27 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 27 April, 2009 If ,as most of us hope, the new owners have nothing to do with the previous regime then I can't imagine them bothering to enforce any gagging orders anyway. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 I wonder how much SFC money Lowe spent over the years on NDA's to protect himself from the truth coming out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 I speculated on another thread who would be best positioned/willing to indicate where the bodies are buried. David Jones/Guy Askam/Andy Cowens/Graham Hiley (as a journo) come to mind Apart from Graham the others may have positions to protect However there must be quite a few who Lowe has crossed who would be interested in putting forward their view of our dear departed ex Chairman. Anyone want to start a list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 wouldn't it be great to have more embarrassment /bad publicity for the club! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 wouldn't it be great to have more embarrassment /bad publicity for the club! Translation: I don't want more news stories that show i got it wrong about Lowe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Translation: I don't want more news stories that show i got it wrong about Lowe! Translation of Stanleyism. " I don't give a **** about the club if it gets in the way of my Lowe hunt". Who cares about the gagging order anyway. Its not like were going to find out Mother Theresa was a brothel keeper. At a guess we'll find out Lowe was disliked and made some dodgy decisions. Hardly hold the front page stuff is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 wouldn't it be great to have more embarrassment /bad publicity for the club! Lowe not the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 At a guess we'll find out Lowe was disliked and made some dodgy decisions. Hardly hold the front page stuff is it? I would have to agree, and as I said in the missing £40m thread, I don't believe he (or others) have done anything underhand (pss poor decision making maybe, but not fraudulent). You only have to look at the results of his tenure and judge him by his results (as he himself wanted to be judged), without having to pour over the minor details of the disaster we have become. Is there really anything that we would really need to know???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 I wonder how much SFC money Lowe spent over the years on NDA's to protect himself from the truth coming out? £40 million? http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=12654 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 How about writing a book about the last 12 years and donating all profit to the club if needed. I could imagine a few of our notable recent personages willingly telling all if for the benefit of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 I speculated on another thread who would be best positioned/willing to indicate where the bodies are buried. David Jones/Guy Askam/Andy Cowens/Graham Hiley (as a journo) come to mind And what about the Reserves/Academy coach (I can't remember his name) that was put on gardening leave this season? And never heard of again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 I think Stu is being modest. Never. In. A. Million. Years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 wouldn't it be great to have more embarrassment /bad publicity for the club! Translation: I don't want more news stories that show i got it wrong about Lowe! I know that you & I don't always see eye to eye but you are on the one with this fella! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldskoolsi Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 There's been plenty of books written about the demise of organisations. Although we would never get the 100% true story I would find it interesting to read the views of all the relevent people from over the past 15 years or so. I don't think such a book could do any more to tarnish our image anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 27 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Translation of Stanleyism. " I don't give a **** about the club if it gets in the way of my Lowe hunt". Who cares about the gagging order anyway. Its not like were going to find out Mother Theresa was a brothel keeper. At a guess we'll find out Lowe was disliked and made some dodgy decisions. Hardly hold the front page stuff is it? How wrong can you be. It is so relevant - but never mind, go stick you head in the sand as you are not obviously interested in what really happened. One of the thickest posts I've seen on here for many a month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 I'd like to hear a bit more about van der Waals from certain quarters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 How wrong can you be. It is so relevant - but never mind, go stick you head in the sand as you are not obviously interested in what really happened. One of the thickest posts I've seen on here for many a month. Slight correction; It was very relevant but it no longer has any bearing on the future of the club. The past cannot be undone. I think many, including myself, would love to just slam the door on the whole Lowe episode and start to look forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 I'd like to hear a bit more about van der Waals from certain quarters! Actually, I retract my earlier post as I would love to know just WTF this guy was doing, particulalry when you put it against his claims that the whole Revolutionary Coaching Set Up was a joint plan by him and Lowe!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Slight correction; It was very relevant but it no longer has any bearing on the future of the club. The past cannot be undone. I think many, including myself, would love to just slam the door on the whole Lowe episode and start to look forward. Ian Branfoot still get's mentions and he was Mr Popular compared to Lowe. Lowes dark presence will linger on, but hopefully better times will soften the painful memories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Nice Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 What happened to dave hockaday ? or indeed the goalkeeping coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 What happened to dave hockaday ? or indeed the goalkeeping coach Still on gardening leave (with full pay)!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren1 Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 While it would be interesting, I feel bringing Lowe up time after time would only hold the club back. It is time to roll up the sleeves and move forward. Lowes time at the club was an ugly era only matched by the car in Ponty's picture. The problem is most would probably have a lot of mud to sling, but that is easy to do when you didnt get results. I think the only ones without too much to say would be Hoddle and Strachan. The 2 who brought the most success.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP Saint Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Slight correction; It was very relevant but it no longer has any bearing on the future of the club. The past cannot be undone. I think many, including myself, would love to just slam the door on the whole Lowe episode and start to look forward. History not a subject you enjoy then Ponty? Personally I think we can learn a lot from the past. Isn't it the basis of civilization? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Translation: I don't want more news stories that show i got it wrong about Lowe! grow up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dark Sotonic Mills Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 Probably have to be adhered to until SLH is actually wound up.That's my take on it. Whilst the PLC exists, albeit in Administration, contracts and agreements are still valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 I wonder how much SFC money Lowe spent over the years on NDA's to protect himself from the truth coming out? £40m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 27 April, 2009 Share Posted 27 April, 2009 How wrong can you be. It is so relevant - but never mind, go stick you head in the sand as you are not obviously interested in what really happened. One of the thickest posts I've seen on here for many a month. Ooh get her. You've become closer and closer to the Stanley model. Bitterness against Lowe doesnt help objectivity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 28 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 28 April, 2009 Ooh get her. You've become closer and closer to the Stanley model. Bitterness against Lowe doesnt help objectivity. Show me one "bitter" post I have made re Lowe since he left? There are lots of stories out there the fans have yet to hear and I believe (even looking at this thread) want to hear. Christ ,enough people have asked if we will be doing a book on the PLC years to prove you wrong. For instance I have now learned the full story behind Hoddle's return and who is was that finally pulled the plug. Very interesting too and I have slightly altered my opinion on this person. But sneer away - you have no interest and claim no one else has. I beg to differ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 (edited) I'm interested like most, but to be honest not sure what everyone is expecting these things guys to say - merel;y confirmation of the things most believe already?, How Lowe 'interfered' with player transfers or vetoed this or that? To me its not that he did these things, - that he argued, fell out with or once called them names, but HOW he did them, because most chairman will have done similar. And its hardly as if these guys dont have axes to grind... and what if some of what comes out refers to players? especally as far as Sturrock is concerned? Are we really in the mood for more mud slinging right now? We all have our own opinion on Lowe and his tenure, his failings being well documented and there are bound to be further things revealed that will have the staunch antis jumping for joy as all their fantasies on how evil he is are in their eyes brought to reality, but does it really matter now? Is there a sense that we aint had enough **** to deal with yet? What will we get? 'I wanted to sign Ronaldinho and Lowe said he did not rate him?' 'We could have had so and so, but Lowe saaid his wages were too high or would not deal with a particular agent? Is any of this now relevent? I am 100% sure that any revelations will bring to light negativity towards Lowe, confirm he was tight, dictatorial and did not give managers teh financial support they would have desired, that he argued with them, probably spat the dummy and was generally not a great boss - anything new there? Also, those wise in football are unlikely too say to much anyway, because its a small world and which chairman would trust someone in future who has proven to be shouting their mouth off the moment things dont go their way? Edited 28 April, 2009 by Frank's cousin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 28 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 28 April, 2009 I'm interested like most, but to be honest not sure what everyone is expecting these things guys to say - merel;y confirmation of the things most believe already?, How Lowe 'interfered' with player transfers or vetoed this or that? To me its not that he did these things, - that he argued, fell out with or once called them names, but HOW he did them, because most chairman will have done similar. And its hardly as if these guys dont have axes to grind... and what if some of what comes out refers to players? especally as far as Sturrock is concerned? Are we really in the mood for more mud slinging right now? We all have our own opinion on Lowe and his tenure, his failings being well documented and there are bound to be further things revealed that will have the staunch antis jumping for joy as all their fantasies on how evil he is are in their eyes brought to reality, but does it really matter now? Is there a sense that we aint had enough **** to deal with yet? What will we get? 'I wanted to sign Ronaldinho and Lowe said he did not rate him?' 'We could have had so and so, but Lowe saaid his wages were too high or would not deal with a particular agent? Is any of this now relevent? I am 100% sure that any revelations will bring to light negativity towards Lowe, confirm he was tight, dictatorial and did not give managers teh financial support they would have desired, that he argued with them, probably spat the dummy and was generally not a great boss - anything new there? Also, those wise in football are unlikely too say to much anyway, because its a small world and which chairman would trust someone in future who has proven to be shouting their mouth off the moment things dont go their way? Frank - I am not talking gossip or mud slinging just the truth! Sorry if that is a bit old-fashioned but when your football club goes into administration I think the fans have a right to know exactly how it happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clapham Saint Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 I am not qualified but this is my take on it. It depends if the NDA is between xxxx & Lowe or xxxx & Southampton FC If it is xxxx & Lowe then it still stands and Lowe could sue. If it is against xxxx & Southampton FC then it would be at the discretion of the new owners as to whether they would relax the NDA's or be bothered if they were broken. I am not sure if any of the people under NDA's would be that bothered to phone up and clarify the situation anyway, unless they have a book coming out. I would have thought it was as above with one other option: xxx & Lowe - Remains in force xxx & SFC - Remain in force, up to new owners if they want to tae action in the event of a breach xxx & SLH - Cease to be relevant after the plc is wound up. FWIW I doubt that the agreements are between xxx & Lowe personally. It wouldn't be that conventional and given that the solicitor that advised on the agreement was almost certainly engaged by either SLH of SFC it wouldn't be very logical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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