History in the making

[ladysaint]

could Sunday possibly be the last ever game in the FL for SFC, I am not sure if I am looking forward to it, or if I am dreading this game. It suddenly dawned on me last night that I will most probably never see my football club in the top echelon of the english league in my lifetime again. I count myself lucky that I started seriously supporting the club home and away in the 60's and have, for the majority of the time, seen the best times for the club and will have those memories forever.

 

I just wish something would happen today to concrete the future of this great club.

[once_bitterne]

I don't really think you can say for sure that you will never see Saints in the top flight again. Fortunes change so quickly in football, especially in the days of money ruling all. If we ever do get a rich owner when the economy picks up it might not take long to re-establish the club in the top flight. 10 years seems an eternity in football now. A few months more than 10 years ago Hull were bottom of the entire football league. It was not much longer than that that Man City were in the third flight. Also take a look at how quickly the fortunes of Wigan and Reading were turned around when they were taken over by Whelan and Madjeski. Keep the faith!

[CB Fry]

If you're happy to write off the chances of Sheff Weds, Notts Forest, Leicester, Leeds, Norwich, Ipswich etc etc of "ever being in the top flight again in my lifetime" then fine.

 

But I think all of those clubs will be back in the top flight one day, and so will we.

 

We're not going to fold, for god's sake I wish people would stop being such drama queens.

[Pancake]

A tony bit melodramatic there.

 

Havent Hull gone from League Two to the Premiership in 5 years?

[Footballfan]

Have faith, we will be back one day, my son is 11 years old and all he has evey seen with Saints are bad times, he will be at Forrest on Sunday and I hope that one day we can watch us back in the top flight together.

[ladysaint]

A tony bit melodramatic there.

 

Havent Hull gone from League Two to the Premiership in 5 years?

 

I am a woman and therefore allowed to be melodramatic:)

[egreog]

Its going to be many years before Championship football is seen again, whether at SMS or not, never mind top flight football.......there seems no solid rumour of a buyer on the radar, and I imagine players are on holiday from Monday, presumably not being paid as no income....... the whole thing COULD fold quite quickly...........beginning to be less optimistic about someone taking this burden on!

[Hatch]

Talking of the good times..

 

It's the 1st of May today,.

[SFC Forever]

Talking of the good times..

 

It's the 1st of May today,.

 

Got your kit ready for next season I hope.

[VectisSaint]

Some of us are a bit older than others, so who is to say we will see Saints back in the top flight again in our lifetime, hopefully we will, I'm not that old.

 

However, bigger problem may be that while we are languishing in Division 3 or below the Premier League may well establish Prem 2 as they are considering. If so promotion from Division 3 to Prem 2 will be much more difficult than it is to Division 2 at present, especially if the size of the top 2 divisions is reduced to enable Celtic & Rangers to join the elite. This is probably the worst time possible to be relegated to Div 3, especially with a 10 point penalty next season making it even more difficult to bounce straight back up.

[CB Fry]

Its going to be many years before Championship football is seen again, whether at SMS or not, never mind top flight football.......there seems no solid rumour of a buyer on the radar, and I imagine players are on holiday from Monday, presumably not being paid as no income....... the whole thing COULD fold quite quickly...........beginning to be less optimistic about someone taking this burden on!

 

 

Christ. The sun is shining, you know. Cheer up.

 

If we're in L1 for more than three seasons I'd be amazed.

 

Where do people get this idea that we are some washed up flea pit club like Aldershot or Bradford Park Avenue and are therefore doomed to "fold quite quickly"?

 

We'll be playing in SMS well into the next fifty years and we'll be CCC standard within three years from now, and then who knows.

[crouchi]

because we are a washed up flea pit club, but the Sun is still shining

[CB Fry]

because we are a washed up flea pit club, but the Sun is still shining

 

 

Of course we are .

 

You lot can bleat awaywith your "boo hoo we're going out of business" routine but frankly we're not.

 

We're a couple of days away from a renegotiated stadium debt and we're laughing.

 

Half way up the CCC within three years.

[egreog]

Of course we are .

 

You lot can bleat awaywith your "boo hoo we're going out of business" routine but frankly we're not.

 

We're a couple of days away from a renegotiated stadium debt and we're laughing.

 

Half way up the CCC within three years.

 

Excellent optimism....just what is needed right now.....I'm not bleating or in need of cheering up.... just realistic about possibilities.....besides its gonna be a good summer weatherwise starting today!......whatever happens to Saints!

[The9]

Of course we are .

 

You lot can bleat awaywith your "boo hoo we're going out of business" routine but frankly we're not.

 

We're a couple of days away from a renegotiated stadium debt and we're laughing.

 

Half way up the CCC within three years.

 

I hope you're right. Just about being actually bought out, even if not necessarily getting back into the CCC.

 

Call me touchy, but I *have* had this happen to my club before...

[pfc123]

Of course we are .

 

You lot can bleat awaywith your "boo hoo we're going out of business" routine but frankly we're not.

 

We're a couple of days away from a renegotiated stadium debt and we're laughing.

 

Half way up the CCC within three years.

 

Hmmm, not so sure. Huge debt + small and getting smaller income + relegation = meltdown. Can only see two types of bid: A fire sale opportunist who will probably strip it clean, or a group of fans/local businessmen with a few bob.

 

The first type is obviously not good news for you, and the only problem with the second scenario is that whilst they're intentions are laudable, fans/local businessmen consortiums NEVER have enough money to do anything other than prolong the stagnation even further.......

 

The overriding problem is that none of the numbers add up. As soon as a bidder enters the due dilligence stage and gets their hands on the books, it seems to go quiet. Not difficult to see why. It's not an attractive business proposition for anyone with no affinity to SFC.

 

You need a saints fan with about £30 million in spare change burning a hole in his pocket.......

[PaulSaint]

Hmmm, not so sure. Huge debt + small and getting smaller income + relegation = meltdown. Can only see two types of bid: A fire sale opportunist who will probably strip it clean, or a group of fans/local businessmen with a few bob.

 

The first type is obviously not good news for you, and the only problem with the second scenario is that whilst they're intentions are laudable, fans/local businessmen consortiums NEVER have enough money to do anything other than prolong the stagnation even further.......

 

The overriding problem is that none of the numbers add up. As soon as a bidder enters the due dilligence stage and gets their hands on the books, it seems to go quiet. Not difficult to see why. It's not an attractive business proposition for anyone with no affinity to SFC.

 

You need a saints fan with about £30 million in spare change burning a hole in his pocket.......

 

Lets take a look at your club while we are here shall we:

 

Estimated £90 Million in Debt, if you come down next year you are in for a much rougher ride than us (IMHO)

Crap crowds for the Prem

A cr*phole of a stadium that needs millions spending on it

"Son-of-a-gunrunner" owner desperate to sell before the lender pulls the plug, survives by selling 2-3 top rated players every transfer window & replaces them with worse players?

A no-mark manager who has just about kept you up because there are some real bad teams at the bottom.

 

Good luck?

[ooohTerryHurlock]

If you're happy to write off the chances of Sheff Weds, Notts Forest, Leicester, Leeds, Norwich, Ipswich etc etc of "ever being in the top flight again in my lifetime" then fine.

 

But I think all of those clubs will be back in the top flight one day, and so will we.

 

We're not going to fold, for god's sake I wish people would stop being such drama queens.

 

At last we have some common ground Mr Fry!!! Half full for once instead of half empty!!!x

[CB Fry]

Hmmm, not so sure. Huge debt + small and getting smaller income + relegation = meltdown. Can only see two types of bid: A fire sale opportunist who will probably strip it clean, or a group of fans/local businessmen with a few bob.

 

The first type is obviously not good news for you, and the only problem with the second scenario is that whilst they're intentions are laudable, fans/local businessmen consortiums NEVER have enough money to do anything other than prolong the stagnation even further.......

 

The overriding problem is that none of the numbers add up. As soon as a bidder enters the due dilligence stage and gets their hands on the books, it seems to go quiet. Not difficult to see why. It's not an attractive business proposition for anyone with no affinity to SFC.

 

You need a saints fan with about £30 million in spare change burning a hole in his pocket.......

 

 

Arf. Like the original bidders were walking into a football club in administration and massive debt and being surprised it wasn't the little goldmine they thought it was....

 

Whatever happens we won't cease to be, which is the main thing.

 

An "opportunist" won't have much to "strip clean" so sorry that's just a pompey pipedream for you.

 

And it probably will be a consortium of local businessmen. At this stage getting to the Premier league is not the first concern.

 

We only need to climb out of league one, and we don't need a kings ransom to do that.

 

How is that super dooper elite new stadium coming on, anyway? Oh.

[CB Fry]

Because we're in a serious recession and we need a buyer asap who is prepared to throw some at a league 1 club on -10 points. The rest of us are worried, ex players and managers are worried, but you apparently know something the rest of us don't.

 

Big clubs will fold at some stage, the current football set up simply isn't sustainable. We are very, very close to folding and I hope it turns out you're right and someone does step in to save us.

 

 

They're worried because they are too close to it.

 

The recession doesn't turn St Mary's Stadium into Bootham Crescent.

 

The recession means people like Aviva writing off debts left right and centre and Aviva foreclosing or refusing to speak to anyone with an offer on it leaves them with a useless piece of building worth nothing to anyone, least of all Aviva.

 

The recession is good for Saints because it makes the lenders pretty weak, although granted it also is harder for prospective buyers to get credit.

 

I don't know anything, but I bet we don't fold.

[Window Cleaner]

They're worried because they are too close to it.

 

The recession doesn't turn St Mary's Stadium into Bootham Crescent.

 

The recession means people like Aviva writing off debts left right and centre and Aviva foreclosing or refusing to speak to anyone with an offer on it leaves them with a useless piece of building worth nothing to anyone, least of all Aviva.

 

The recession is good for Saints because it makes the lenders pretty weak, although granted it also is harder for prospective buyers to get credit.

 

I don't know anything, but I bet we don't fold.

 

 

I can't see that we'll fold either, but really any prospective buyer will just have to try to work out why the club could not sustain top flight football

although all the indicators said we should have been able to.It will take time to see why the business was not viable and whatever it was that caused the insolvency will have to be thrown to the sharks.My guess is it's either the retail arm or the academy. Something costs too much other than the players,they cost a lot to be sure but with all the transfers out that we've made even a few silly salaries should be possible.

[pfc123]

Lets take a look at your club while we are here shall we:

 

Estimated £90 Million in Debt, if you come down next year you are in for a much rougher ride than us (IMHO)

Crap crowds for the Prem

A cr*phole of a stadium that needs millions spending on it

"Son-of-a-gunrunner" owner desperate to sell before the lender pulls the plug, survives by selling 2-3 top rated players every transfer window & replaces them with worse players?

A no-mark manager who has just about kept you up because there are some real bad teams at the bottom.

 

Good luck?

 

Ok, line by line:

 

The debt is £45 million, not 90. A largish debt admittedly, but not large in Premier league terms as the Sky money and prize money depending on where you finish is worth over £35 million a year alone.

 

Bigger Premiership crowds than you ever achieved at The Skip.

 

Yes, a craphole of a stadium, but one with genuine atmosphere and crucially, NO DEBT.

 

Son of a gunrunner? Who cares? It's not a Mother Teresa foundation.

 

A manager and coach with vast experience who have guided us to safety after the wreckage of Tony Adams.

 

Good luck? Well lets put it this way, if you had the old ground back I reckon you'd probably still be a Premiership club. How many of you would swap places with us right now, i.e. we take the shiny newish stadium and play in league 1, and you have the atmospheric 'craphole' but play in the bright lights of the Premiership and win the F.A. cup? Most of you would bite my hand off.

 

You were never a big enough club to be able to sustain a 30k+ stadium in the top flight or even the Championship. Sorry, but the harsh reality is that you tried to punch above your weight and you blew it.......

[Window Cleaner]

Ok, line by line:

 

The debt is £45 million, not 90. A largish debt admittedly, but not large in Premier league terms as the Sky money and prize money depending on where you finish is worth over £35 million a year alone.

 

Bigger Premiership crowds than you ever achieved at The Skip.

 

Yes, a craphole of a stadium, but one with genuine atmosphere and crucially, NO DEBT.

 

Son of a gunrunner? Who cares? It's not a Mother Teresa foundation.

 

A manager and coach with vast experience who have guided us to safety after the wreckage of Tony Adams.

 

Good luck? Well lets put it this way, if you had the old ground back I reckon you'd probably still be a Premiership club. How many of you would swap places with us right now, i.e. we take the shiny newish stadium and play in league 1, and you have the atmospheric 'craphole' but play in the bright lights of the Premiership and win the F.A. cup? Most of you would bite my hand off.

 

You were never a big enough club to be able to sustain a 30k+ stadium in the top flight or even the Championship. Sorry, but the harsh reality is that you tried to punch above your weight and you blew it.......

 

 

 

Not wanting to side with the enemy but I too don't really see why we talk about Skate's debt.

They owe money buty they have decent Sky revenues plus a bit at the gate.

 

They have players that they could sell for a total of over 50 million tomorrow,

true the side would be weakened but not by all that much.

 

Correct on the Mother Theresa front, give me a Ghengis Khan any day, at least you know where you are with them cos there's no bollax talked.

 

If there's a choice between a Somali Pirate and a couple of likely lads from the Channel Islands give me the pirate any day. We should never have opposed the return of Hoddle because we didn't like his way of doing things,we are now paying for that.

[PaulSaint]

Ok, line by line:

 

The debt is £45 million, not 90. A largish debt admittedly, but not large in Premier league terms as the Sky money and prize money depending on where you finish is worth over £35 million a year alone.

 

Bigger Premiership crowds than you ever achieved at The Skip.

 

Yes, a craphole of a stadium, but one with genuine atmosphere and crucially, NO DEBT.

 

Son of a gunrunner? Who cares? It's not a Mother Teresa foundation.

 

A manager and coach with vast experience who have guided us to safety after the wreckage of Tony Adams.

 

Good luck? Well lets put it this way, if you had the old ground back I reckon you'd probably still be a Premiership club. How many of you would swap places with us right now, i.e. we take the shiny newish stadium and play in league 1, and you have the atmospheric 'craphole' but play in the bright lights of the Premiership and win the F.A. cup? Most of you would bite my hand off.

 

You were never a big enough club to be able to sustain a 30k+ stadium in the top flight or even the Championship. Sorry, but the harsh reality is that you tried to punch above your weight and you blew it.......

 

Well the BBC say £80M Debt, that was published last month, I know who I believe i.e. the impartial one?

 

We averaged far more than your pathetic attendances when we were in the top flight! I was at the two games against you & believe me we can generate a lot of atmosphere! PS - We didnt throw bricks at you either?

 

We also won the FA Cup from the second divsion against Man U with no lucky lower league draws, opposite of your "so called achievement" I believe?

 

Lets be honest here, if it wasnt for loads of foreign investment from ManPr*ck & Gunrunner you'd be below us by now?

[lee_saint]

And Pompey will sustain a 30k stadium? You will do exactly the same as us, hey, I can see us both in the lower leagues in 10 years.

[Wes Tender]

Ok, line by line:

 

The debt is £45 million, not 90. A largish debt admittedly, but not large in Premier league terms as the Sky money and prize money depending on where you finish is worth over £35 million a year alone.

 

Bigger Premiership crowds than you ever achieved at The Skip.

 

Yes, a craphole of a stadium, but one with genuine atmosphere and crucially, NO DEBT.

 

Son of a gunrunner? Who cares? It's not a Mother Teresa foundation.

 

A manager and coach with vast experience who have guided us to safety after the wreckage of Tony Adams.

 

Good luck? Well lets put it this way, if you had the old ground back I reckon you'd probably still be a Premiership club. How many of you would swap places with us right now, i.e. we take the shiny newish stadium and play in league 1, and you have the atmospheric 'craphole' but play in the bright lights of the Premiership and win the F.A. cup? Most of you would bite my hand off.

 

You were never a big enough club to be able to sustain a 30k+ stadium in the top flight or even the Championship. Sorry, but the harsh reality is that you tried to punch above your weight and you blew it.......

 

Do you know what? Given the two scenarios, I wouldn't change. Your crowds now are bigger than we had at The Dell for the simple reason that we were sold out every week in a stadium holding only 15000. For many of the matches when we transferred to St Mary's, we had 30000 or so regularly and that proved the potential that we could achieve. As you do not have a stadium holding more than 19000, whether you could achieve the 30000 with any regularity in a bigger stadium is pure conjecture.

 

Also whether you get a stadium to match ours is looking increasingly unlikely too. Best option seems to make do and mend with your current place, shifting it around 90 degrees. After peaking under Redcrap, you are hovering precariously around the relegation zone and if you spend money on improving the capacity of your hole, you will be adding to the debt. We know full well what happens when you accumulate stadium debt and then suffer relegation afterwards.

 

You will have to sell some of your more valuable and higher earning players and hope that what you have left is enough to ensure your survival next season. But you have been in the position that we now arrive at comparatively quite recently. You ought to know how quickly the pendulum can swing.

 

You have an owner wanting to get shot of you and have to hope that what you get to replace him will be good for you. The time to make that same assessment about us will be very shortly when we know who is taking us on. Although I agree it is highly unlikely, we could both be together in the Fizzy Pop league the season after next, us on the way back up and you on the way back down to your natural environment.

Edited 1 May, 2009 by Wes Tender
Adding to the last line...

[CB Fry]

Ok, line by line:

 

The debt is £45 million, not 90. A largish debt admittedly, but not large in Premier league terms as the Sky money and prize money depending on where you finish is worth over £35 million a year alone.

 

Bigger Premiership crowds than you ever achieved at The Skip.

 

Yes, a craphole of a stadium, but one with genuine atmosphere and crucially, NO DEBT.

 

Son of a gunrunner? Who cares? It's not a Mother Teresa foundation.

 

A manager and coach with vast experience who have guided us to safety after the wreckage of Tony Adams.

 

Good luck? Well lets put it this way, if you had the old ground back I reckon you'd probably still be a Premiership club. How many of you would swap places with us right now, i.e. we take the shiny newish stadium and play in league 1, and you have the atmospheric 'craphole' but play in the bright lights of the Premiership and win the F.A. cup? Most of you would bite my hand off.

 

You were never a big enough club to be able to sustain a 30k+ stadium in the top flight or even the Championship. Sorry, but the harsh reality is that you tried to punch above your weight and you blew it.......

 

 

We wouldn't still be in the Premier League if we were still at the Dell, we'd have been in League one for several seasons by now.

 

Don't kid yourself that your toilet stadium gives you some freedom to be in the top division. You're up to your necks in debt and unlike ours, which is about to be written off by Aviva, you're stuck with yours because the PFA and the League will make you pay up every penny to every player you've given a contract to.

 

You can't even sell out your sh i t tip in the greatest season your club had seen in half a century.

 

I wouldn't swap places with you son, you've got Kiddo and Harty, the poor man's Ricky Sbragia and Les Reed to steer you to the second tier next season.

 

Enjoy the summer fire sale, Storie saying "well, we've got to cut our cloth" and the inevitable spiral from there.

 

And your "bestest fans in the world" will be gone gone gone - you won't get the 25,000 gates we've got in the CCC and you'll be back to your little 6,000 hardcore.

 

Love the lecture about us "punching above our weight". You are fly by night Premier League gypos. We were the real deal, season after season.

 

And we will be again.

 

And you and your 6,000 will be back at your natural level too - twenty odd concecutive seasons in the second tier, anyone?

 

Anyway, **** off the main board.

 

[pfc123]

Do you know what, all you've got left are wild statements about the future, be it about us going tits up next week, or about how you're somehow going to rise phoenix-like from the flames of the fire sale to dominate the world within the next six months.

 

It reminds me of the bloke interviewed on BBC tv as he was walking out of Wembley after the 2003 final defeat- asked what was next for southampton he said: "We'll recover from this and we will go on to conquer europe next season". It was one of the blindest, most ludicrous statements I've ever heard, and it brought the house down in the pub I was in.

 

And don't try telling me that the skip was sold out week after week in the all seater era of the Premiership because we all know that it wasn't. The 'We've got more supporters than you' argument is never going to be resolved until we both have similar stadiums in the same division, something that's unlikely to happen in the next few years at least.

 

What we can say is that we've won four major trophies to your one, the last one only a year ago. Ask anyone actually IN football which of us is the 'bigger' club. You won't like the answer.

 

Look, to be fair this is your board, and for that reason I'm only a guest, so I very rarely raise the blue flag, but just occasionally I'll do so because some of the utter rubbish written about Pompey on here just can't be ignored...

[aintforever]

You've gotta be really sad to go on another clubs board and start a row IMO.

 

Get a life needle ****, see ya in a couple of years when your sugar daddy gets bored..

[aintforever]

The 'We've got more supporters than you' argument is never going to be resolved until we both have similar stadiums in the same division,

 

LOL, your **** hole ground had a 30K capacity when you were last in the 2nd tier - you sometimes got crowds of around 7K.

[hypochondriac]

Not wanting to side with the enemy but I too don't really see why we talk about Skate's debt.

They owe money buty they have decent Sky revenues plus a bit at the gate.

They have players that they could sell for a total of over 50 million tomorrow,

true the side would be weakened but not by all that much.

 

Correct on the Mother Theresa front, give me a Ghengis Khan any day, at least you know where you are with them cos there's no bollax talked.

 

If there's a choice between a Somali Pirate and a couple of likely lads from the Channel Islands give me the pirate any day. We should never have opposed the return of Hoddle because we didn't like his way of doing things,we are now paying for that.

 

Sorry? Who would that be then? Maybe before Defoe and Diarra left. I would like to see how they would get 50 million for what they have left. 15-20 million max.

[pfc123]

Hmmm, ok lets have a look. Two prices for each player-

 

Cheap price for a player who might want to leave/summer price/the credit crunch.

 

More expensive price for those who are happy to stay/January window/there's still money swilling around at the top of the game.......

 

 

1 Goalkeeper David James £2-4M

2 Defender Linvoy Primus Out of contract

3 Defender Younes Kaboul £3-5M

4 Defender Lauren Out of contract

5 Defender Glen Johnson £7-12M

6 Midfielder Hayden Mullins £1-2M

7 Defender Hermann Hreiðarsson Out of contract

8 Midfielder Papa Bouba Diop £2-4M

9 Forward Peter Crouch £8-12M

10 Forward David Nugent £3-4M

11 Midfielder Jerome Thomas Out of contract

14 Midfielder Jermaine Pennant LOAN

15 Defender Sylvain Distin (vice-captain)£3-5M

16 Defender Noé Pamarot Out of contract

17 Forward John Utaka £3-4M

18 Midfielder Arnold Mvuemba £1-2M

19 Midfielder Niko Kranjcar £5-8M

20 Defender Martin Cranie £1-2M

21 Goalkeeper Jamie Ashdown £1-2M

22 Midfielder Richard Hughes £2-3M

23 Defender Sol Campbell (captain) Out of contract

26 Midfielder Pelé LOAN

27 Forward N****wo Kanu Out of contract

28 Midfielder Sean Davis Out of contract

29 Forward Theofanis Gekas LOAN

30 Defender Armand Traoré LOAN

31 Goalkeeper Asmir Begović £500K-1M

32 Defender Djimi Traore LOAN

33 Midfielder Angelos Basinas £2-3M

35 Defender Marc Wilson £500K-1M

39 Defender Nadir Belhadj £5-8M

 

Cheap price total: £50m (by happy coincidence!)

 

More expensive price total: £84m

 

And I think that those prices really are fair for Premiership players, and doesn't include the few that will re-sign and add yet more value to the squad.....

 

INCOMING!!!

[pilsburydoughboy]

Hmmm, ok lets have a look. Two prices for each player-

 

Cheap price for a player who might want to leave/summer price/the credit crunch.

 

More expensive price for those who are happy to stay/January window/there's still money swilling around at the top of the game.......

 

 

1 Goalkeeper David James £2-4M

2 Defender Linvoy Primus Out of contract

3 Defender Younes Kaboul £3-5M

4 Defender Lauren Out of contract

5 Defender Glen Johnson £7-12M

6 Midfielder Hayden Mullins £1-2M

7 Defender Hermann Hreiðarsson Out of contract

8 Midfielder Papa Bouba Diop £2-4M

9 Forward Peter Crouch £8-12M

10 Forward David Nugent £3-4M

11 Midfielder Jerome Thomas Out of contract

14 Midfielder Jermaine Pennant LOAN

15 Defender Sylvain Distin (vice-captain)£3-5M

16 Defender Noé Pamarot Out of contract

17 Forward John Utaka £3-4M

18 Midfielder Arnold Mvuemba £1-2M

19 Midfielder Niko Kranjcar £5-8M

20 Defender Martin Cranie £1-2M

21 Goalkeeper Jamie Ashdown £1-2M

22 Midfielder Richard Hughes £2-3M

23 Defender Sol Campbell (captain) Out of contract

26 Midfielder Pelé LOAN

27 Forward N****wo Kanu Out of contract

28 Midfielder Sean Davis Out of contract

29 Forward Theofanis Gekas LOAN

30 Defender Armand Traoré LOAN

31 Goalkeeper Asmir Begović £500K-1M

32 Defender Djimi Traore LOAN

33 Midfielder Angelos Basinas £2-3M

35 Defender Marc Wilson £500K-1M

39 Defender Nadir Belhadj £5-8M

 

Cheap price total: £50m (by happy coincidence!)

 

More expensive price total: £84m

 

And I think that those prices really are fair for Premiership players, and doesn't include the few that will re-sign and add yet more value to the squad.....

 

INCOMING!!!

 

I think you might find that the inbred skates of PFC and Paulsgrove online will be interested.

I do not know why you are here.

Oh you are deluded if you think PFC will go from strength to strength you bubble will burst much quicker than ours.

[skintsaint]

David James 2m-4m

[teamsaint]

Do you know what, all you've got left are wild statements about the future, be it about us going tits up next week, or about how you're somehow going to rise phoenix-like from the flames of the fire sale to dominate the world within the next six months.

 

It reminds me of the bloke interviewed on BBC tv as he was walking out of Wembley after the 2003 final defeat- asked what was next for southampton he said: "We'll recover from this and we will go on to conquer europe next season". It was one of the blindest, most ludicrous statements I've ever heard, and it brought the house down in the pub I was in.

 

And don't try telling me that the skip was sold out week after week in the all seater era of the Premiership because we all know that it wasn't. The 'We've got more supporters than you' argument is never going to be resolved until we both have similar stadiums in the same division, something that's unlikely to happen in the next few years at least.

 

What we can say is that we've won four major trophies to your one, the last one only a year ago. Ask anyone actually IN football which of us is the 'bigger' club. You won't like the answer.

 

Look, to be fair this is your board, and for that reason I'm only a guest, so I very rarely raise the blue flag, but just occasionally I'll do so because some of the utter rubbish written about Pompey on here just can't be ignored...

 

" people in the game...."

 

Like??

 

delusional.

You have had a few good years paid for by a sugar daddy. Long distant League wins. But then so did Derby, Huddersfield and Wolves.

 

Poopey are not a big club. They are a medium sized provincial club like Saints, Wolves etc. Its your day now. Its not for ever.

 

And most of the supporters of other clubs that I know of think that a club paid for by arms dealing in not really in the spirit of the beauiful game. Just a point of view,mind.

[Sarnia Saint]

You have ignored the fact you would then have to buy someone to replace them?? Despite Sky revenues I believe that the published figure of your annual loss was £16.5m in the latest accounts, therefore unless you keep the sugar daddy I would be very worried indeed if I were a Pompey fan

[saintjinksie]

Hmmm, ok lets have a look. Two prices for each player-

 

Cheap price for a player who might want to leave/summer price/the credit crunch.

 

More expensive price for those who are happy to stay/January window/there's still money swilling around at the top of the game.......

 

 

1 Goalkeeper David James £2-4M

2 Defender Linvoy Primus Out of contract

3 Defender Younes Kaboul £3-5M

4 Defender Lauren Out of contract

5 Defender Glen Johnson £7-12M

6 Midfielder Hayden Mullins £1-2M

7 Defender Hermann Hreiðarsson Out of contract

8 Midfielder Papa Bouba Diop £2-4M

9 Forward Peter Crouch £8-12M

10 Forward David Nugent £3-4M

11 Midfielder Jerome Thomas Out of contract

14 Midfielder Jermaine Pennant LOAN

15 Defender Sylvain Distin (vice-captain)£3-5M

16 Defender Noé Pamarot Out of contract

17 Forward John Utaka £3-4M

18 Midfielder Arnold Mvuemba £1-2M

19 Midfielder Niko Kranjcar £5-8M

20 Defender Martin Cranie £1-2M

21 Goalkeeper Jamie Ashdown £1-2M

22 Midfielder Richard Hughes £2-3M

23 Defender Sol Campbell (captain) Out of contract

26 Midfielder Pelé LOAN

27 Forward N****wo Kanu Out of contract

28 Midfielder Sean Davis Out of contract

29 Forward Theofanis Gekas LOAN

30 Defender Armand Traoré LOAN

31 Goalkeeper Asmir Begović £500K-1M

32 Defender Djimi Traore LOAN

33 Midfielder Angelos Basinas £2-3M

35 Defender Marc Wilson £500K-1M

39 Defender Nadir Belhadj £5-8M

 

Cheap price total: £50m (by happy coincidence!)

 

More expensive price total: £84m

 

And I think that those prices really are fair for Premiership players, and doesn't include the few that will re-sign and add yet more value to the squad.....

 

INCOMING!!!

 

most of those are quite reasonable- a few i dont agree with though.

 

Distin- who would pay more than £3m for a 31 year old?

hughes- mr average himself, no interest in him.

Basinas- same as distin, except he's older!

James- would get nothing for him, too old (bit dodgy too) and no promise for future at that age

Ashdown- anything above 500k would be a bonus

[pfc123]

Ok, I agree that maybe 3m would be the max for Distin, but having said that he's a very fit 31 yr old and is pure class. Perhaps 3m IS a realistic figure.

 

Hughes- well yes he is Mr Average, but he can cut in the premier league and on that standing alone he must be worth at least the £2m?

 

Basinas- fair play he's older than I realised- 500k-1.5m max....

 

James- nope, you're wrong on that one- England keeper, fit as ****- makes the odd **** up but they ALL do from time to time...

 

Asdown- agree, on reflection.....

[Arizona]

That's far enough off track for one evening.