Arizona Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Lets say hypothetically that we find a buyer with a reasonable amount of cash and Watford don't take up their option on GR. Would you try and convince him to stay next season? I would. I know his wages are high, but without high wages for Skacel, Saga, Davis, Euell, John or BWP to fork out, I think Rasiak could be affordable. I would. He'd get the goals we need next season. Work rate isn't his forte, but as far as I'm aware, the 2 decisions for him to leave weren't at his request. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 I would keep him but Rasiak would not stay. No chance. Not a prayer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombletomble Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 If he was to stay ( and I doubt he would want too) what would we be paying him with? Grass clippings of the pitch? I thought he was one of our higher earners. Surely someone that we will have to offload if we can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madruss Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 He'd score goals for fun in league 1, so if it were at all possible we'd have to keep him. Can't see it happening myself, there'll be a lot of championship clubs interested, most of whom will be able to offer far superior wages. It still makes me laugh (mainly with despair) that one of the reasons JP gave for loaning out Rasiak, other than wages, was that he "didn't fit in with the team's style of play" - The reason being that the 'style of play' was to make a lot of pretty passes and create very few goal scoring chances...no room for a goal-poacher in that ingenious system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Lets say hypothetically that we find a buyer with a reasonable amount of cash and Watford don't take up their option on GR. Would you try and convince him to stay next season? I would. I know his wages are high, but without high wages for Skacel, Saga, Davis, Euell, John or BWP to fork out, I think Rasiak could be affordable. I would. He'd get the goals we need next season. Work rate isn't his forte, but as far as I'm aware, the 2 decisions for him to leave weren't at his request. Depends if he's got a relegation clause in his contract which would mean him getting what he's worth, 500£ a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 If we had survived relegation then this could have been an option. So many of us pleaded for Stupert to retain a proven striker to play alongside McGoldrick who was patently not suited to the role of lone striker, and we have been proven so right. Too late now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 I would'nt. I think that work rate and fitness is important in league 1. Skill and quality passing will be in limited supply so you will need a forward that will seek the ball rather than wait for it to come to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 no i do not think he would score goals or work hard enough to help us in league one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 No, lets move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicko Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 £12k per week in L1 just doesn't make financial sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 6 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 6 May, 2009 If he was to stay ( and I doubt he would want too) what would we be paying him with? Grass clippings of the pitch? I thought he was one of our higher earners. Surely someone that we will have to offload if we can. I said if we get someone with a bit of money. Anyway, Rasiak's wages are only the same of Robertson, Pekhart, Gasmi, Pulis, Schneiderlin, Holmes, Forecast and Molyneux combined. If it were a choice between those 2 options, the pole gets it every time. He'd score goals for fun in league 1, so if it were at all possible we'd have to keep him. Can't see it happening myself, there'll be a lot of championship clubs interested, most of whom will be able to offer far superior wages. It still makes me laugh (mainly with despair) that one of the reasons JP gave for loaning out Rasiak, other than wages, was that he "didn't fit in with the team's style of play" - The reason being that the 'style of play' was to make a lot of pretty passes and create very few goal scoring chances...no room for a goal-poacher in that ingenious system Yes. It was funny, tragic and somewhat insulting that the club thought we were that stupid. Depends if he's got a relegation clause in his contract which would mean him getting what he's worth, 500£ a week. £500 a week for a 20 goal a season striker? Which are, IYO, the more important roles in the team which would command higher wages? I would'nt. I think that work rate and fitness is important in league 1. Skill and quality passing will be in limited supply so you will need a forward that will seek the ball rather than wait for it to come to him. Steve Howard and Dean Windass have done alright in recent seasons. no i do not think he would score goals or work hard enough to help us in league one. What makes you think he wouldn't score? L1 isn't a step up from CCC and the work rate has never hindered him in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 I would keep him but Rasiak would not stay. No chance. Not a prayer! He seems to have more admirers at Watford than at SMS. As he's still under contract let's hope that the new regime is smart enough to get a good fee for him when he moves to Vicarage Road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 You could program Mark Frys number into speed dial, if we started to pay 12k a week in league 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 He seems to have more admirers at Watford than at SMS. As he's still under contract let's hope that the new regime is smart enough to get a good fee for him when he moves to Vicarage Road. It'd have to be more than the 100K we'll have to pay him from here to the end of June though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 In Arizona's theoretical future I'd be more than happy to see a player of Rasiak's class stay - if he's really up for it . I'd be even more pleased if we could keep Stern John but neither eventuality seems very likely at this time sadly . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 If he wanted to stay & the new owners could afford him then its a no brainer yes, Rasiak would score goals for fun in league 1 & would easily bag 25 if not 30. However i don't think the former will be likely, its the same case with Saga, can you see a full international who will want to play at the World Cup in 2010 wanting to play in league 1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Would prefer John to be honest - more like the type of player needed in L1 IMO. However, cannot see there being a hope in hell of affording the wages and they both would not come down with us to L1. Forget it. We'll be playing unknowns largely next year and in some respects that might be a better bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonbenali Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Yes if has delegation clause. Impossible to buy as good a goalpoacher when in league one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombletomble Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 (edited) Yes if has delegation clause. Impossible to buy as good a goalpoacher when in league one What is one of those? Does he get to stay and pass on instructions to others. Is he becoming player manager? Edited 6 May, 2009 by tombletomble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 If he wanted to stay and agreed to a new (much reduced) contract than yes. But realistically, neither of those things are going to happen so lets just move on and look forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Yes absolutely. He'd score shed loads but I can't see him wanting to play in league 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreog Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 No........ get rid please....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilsburydoughboy Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 No........ get rid please....... Jesus Christ and stick with Macgoalmiss,Saga and Euell. Dear Oh Dear Mr Wotte you do make some odd choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocker268 Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Jesus Christ and stick with Macgoalmiss,Saga and Euell. Dear Oh Dear Mr Wotte you do make some odd choices. I usually go with Mcgoaless, but yours is good too to be fair he was in the top 20 or 15 CCC goal scorers this year, joint with about 5 others on 12 goals (I think). I would prefer John but if either wanted to stay on a low wage I wouldn't say no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 If we could get razzzzza or john to stay on a low wedge then we would probably go up. So its got to be worth a shot, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WealdSaint Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Questions : 1. Would he stay at low wages? Ans: Unlikely 2. Would he stay at high wages ? Ans: Possibly 3. Is there another stiker out there at similar cost that would score as many goals? Ans: I don't know! Whatever happens he'll hold a special little place in my heart as when I first took my son to St Mary's (age 7 I think) to watch Saints we had just settled down and to watch the players warm up. Someone kicked the ball right across the ground and Rasiak killed it stone dead. My lad gasped "Dad do you know how hard that is?". That moment was worth the tickets and train fares! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 6 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Questions : 1. Would he stay at low wages? Ans: Unlikely 2. Would he stay at high wages ? Ans: Possibly 3. Is there another stiker out there at similar cost that would score as many goals? Ans: I don't know! Whatever happens he'll hold a special little place in my heart as when I first took my son to St Mary's (age 7 I think) to watch Saints we had just settled down and to watch the players warm up. Someone kicked the ball right across the ground and Rasiak killed it stone dead. My lad gasped "Dad do you know how hard that is?". That moment was worth the tickets and train fares! I think a lot of people don't give Rasiak the credit he deserves at times. I've always thought his ball control was excellent and he is deceptively quick. Sure he is slow in a 100 yard race, but Rasiak is the best player I've seen in CCC at getting a yard of space at exactly the right time, control a ball and getting a shot on target. All in the space of about 2s. A lot of people write him off as a tip-in merchant, but overlook the fact that DMG, Euell, Saganowski, BWP and even the likes of Jones in the past, are unable to score such tap-ins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Rasiak would theoretically be excellent in League One, but a worry would be is he "up for it". It isn't a question of whether players are good on paper, but whether they can perform on grass. What I wouldn't want, even if we had the money, would be a bunch of thirty-somethings enjoying being on a £500K year sinecure and lapping up a couple of years' retirement on the south coast. My fear is - whatever his natural talents and stats on Championship Manager - that Rasiak would fit into squarely into this "I can't be arsed" category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicko Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Rasiak isn't returning There's nothing left to discuss really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 6 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Rasiak would theoretically be excellent in League One, but a worry would be is he "up for it". It isn't a question of whether players are good on paper, but whether they can perform on grass. What I wouldn't want, even if we had the money, would be a bunch of thirty-somethings enjoying being on a £500K year sinecure and lapping up a couple of years' retirement on the south coast. My fear is - whatever his natural talents and stats on Championship Manager - that Rasiak would fit into squarely into this "I can't be arsed" category. Bit of an odd statement, given how Rasiak is the one player you can categorically say has performed for us. When Burley dropped him in New Year 2007, I think he was the CCC's top scorer over the last 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Bit of an odd statement, given how Rasiak is the one player you can categorically say has performed for us. When Burley dropped him in New Year 2007, I think he was the CCC's top scorer over the last 3 years. I don't think my statement is in the least bit odd. Neither do I remotely agree that he's "the one player you can categorically say has performed for us". Being "up for it" in League One is going to be (a) very important and (b) very different to being "up for it" in a push for the CCC play-offs. I doubt Rasiak clears this hurdle. At least, I'm not confident enough that he does to support spending £10K a week on his salary, even if we had the cash to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 6 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 6 May, 2009 I can understand people challenging his commitment and whether he is worth his wages. It's the bit about being good on paper and Champ manager and questioning whether he can do it in "real life" when we've all seen he can, and he has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La BoIS Saint Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 Can't believe the Rasiak doubters. He was class in Championship and would be super class in League One. Na na na na na na na na na na na... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Paul C Posted 7 May, 2009 Share Posted 7 May, 2009 There's no chance he'll play for us next season - along with Saga, D-McG, Surman, John, Euell etc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 7 May, 2009 Share Posted 7 May, 2009 Could never understand the treatment he got on here with all the "he doesn't look like he's trying/ doesn't look like he cares etc". He used to score goals for fooks sake, the whole point of the game is to score goals is it not? Or is it to look like you are really trying hard but not actually put the ball in the net (Ormorod etc). Our greatest player never looked like he was up for it either, but he is Le God... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 7 May, 2009 Share Posted 7 May, 2009 This is possibly the most ridicoulous thread that has been on here for a long time. Does anyone seriously believe there is even a slight chance of him playing for us next season? Shows how retarded some people are on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 7 May, 2009 Share Posted 7 May, 2009 I can understand people challenging his commitment and whether he is worth his wages. It's the bit about being good on paper and Champ manager and questioning whether he can do it in "real life" when we've all seen he can, and he has. Not in League One we haven't. My point is that he may very well have the wrong attitude for the state the club is in. As others have pointed out though, this really is a totally hypothetical discussion. You may as well ask something like "If we could get in a TARDIS and bring a 32-year old Matt Le Tissier forward in time to 2009, would you pay him £10,000 a week to play for us even if you knew he was only going to be fit to play 8 full games and make 6 sub appearances?" It's just not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpofshipperley Posted 7 May, 2009 Share Posted 7 May, 2009 If we had survived relegation then this could have been an option. So many of us pleaded for Stupert to retain a proven striker to play alongside McGoldrick who was patently not suited to the role of lone striker, and we have been proven so right. Too late now. Although that is probably true, I reckon the PLC would have gone into administration a lot sooner. You also have to remember we had quite a few proven strikers the season before and almost got relegated!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WealdSaint Posted 7 May, 2009 Share Posted 7 May, 2009 This is possibly the most ridicoulous thread that has been on here for a long time. Does anyone seriously believe there is even a slight chance of him playing for us next season? Shows how retarded some people are on this forum. Charmed I'm sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 7 May, 2009 Share Posted 7 May, 2009 I think a lot of people don't give Rasiak the credit he deserves at times. I've always thought his ball control was excellent and he is deceptively quick. Sure he is slow in a 100 yard race, but Rasiak is the best player I've seen in CCC at getting a yard of space at exactly the right time, control a ball and getting a shot on target. All in the space of about 2s. A lot of people write him off as a tip-in merchant, but overlook the fact that DMG, Euell, Saganowski, BWP and even the likes of Jones in the past, are unable to score such tap-ins. no one gives the full back a little nudge to allow him to head in at the back post better. To this day no one has ever told me why we brought Stern Lazy John to the club when we had a better player in Rasiak already here. Madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 7 May, 2009 Share Posted 7 May, 2009 from the looks of league one its all about running your guts out and scoring goals from nothing. cant see how Ras would fit into that too well so think he would be an expencive comodity. Someone like Bret Omerod would be better suited to league 1 that Ras but I wouldnt want BO back either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 7 May, 2009 Share Posted 7 May, 2009 Bit of an odd statement, given how Rasiak is the one player you can categorically say has performed for us. When Burley dropped him in New Year 2007, I think he was the CCC's top scorer over the last 3 years. ........not to mention, he is one of only three players to have scored 20 goals in a season ......in the last 20 years. The others are; Matt Le Tissier (three times) and James Beattie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 7 May, 2009 Share Posted 7 May, 2009 Can someone remind me why, when Rasiak was banging them in, Burley decided to buy Saga in the January window and freeze out the league top scorer for the rest of the season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 7 May, 2009 Share Posted 7 May, 2009 (edited) If we could afford Rasiak and he would stay we should keep him. He may not appear to have a decent work rate, but his strike rate is pretty good. At Watford this season he may not have set the world alight but he's scored 10 goals in 14 starts (plus 11 appearences from the bench). That's a decent strike rate that bares comparason with anyone in the league. Over the course of his career he's scored 0.35 goals a game in the league. Wayne Rooney's managed 0.36 per game, Brett Ormerod just 0.22. (Beattie has managed 0.33) Edited 7 May, 2009 by SaintDonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burger Posted 7 May, 2009 Share Posted 7 May, 2009 Play Rasiak to December - he will score goals in League 1, then we have the option to sell in January or keep and make a push for play-off's. He is certaintly better than we have at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 7 May, 2009 Share Posted 7 May, 2009 Can someone remind me why, when Rasiak was banging them in, Burley decided to buy Saga in the January window and freeze out the league top scorer for the rest of the season? The rumour was that Rasiak ratted Burley out about drinking and wenching but it was just a forum story so probably not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 7 May, 2009 Share Posted 7 May, 2009 I would definitely, not a chance in hell though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(not THE) Kevin Moore Posted 7 May, 2009 Share Posted 7 May, 2009 to look at from Rasiaks perspective, we got relegated and he is blameless (he wasn't allowed to stay and help out) so why should he be 'punished' by having to play in league 1. There is zero chance he'll want to stay with us, which makes the rest of it merely academic. Yes he'd be quality in league 1 but he won't stay. James Scowcroft has been released by Palace though..... he's the 'type' of player we need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 7 May, 2009 Share Posted 7 May, 2009 Doesn't look like we'll be getting owners with a lot of finance tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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