Barry the Badger Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 (edited) The number of times I've heard this from fellow fans over the last few months scares me. I'm interested in what peoples expectations are for the next 2-3 seasons because a lot seem to take it for granted that we will go back up... Edited 27 May, 2009 by Barry the Badger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 How many? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Promotion each year until we arrive back at the top..OR everyone out on their ear lobes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 27 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 27 May, 2009 How many? You want me to go back and count? I have seen it written numerous times since our relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 If you do it, I'll personally have a word with the posters involved.* * I might not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 We will go back up easliy in the next 2-3 seasons. Next season will be tough and our finishing position will be depend on the minus points or not, which will be the difference between automatic and play offs, imho. If it doesn't happen next year it will in either of the following two seasons. When we get promoted I will remind you of this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 27 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 27 May, 2009 We will go back up easliy in the next 2-3 seasons. Next season will be tough and our finishing position will be depend on the minus points or not, which will be the difference between automatic and play offs, imho. If it doesn't happen next year it will in either of the following two seasons. When we get promoted I will remind you of this thread. I'm pretty sure thats what Nottingham Forest and Leeds fans thought too. Nothing would make me happier than to be wrong but I think as fans we need to be realistic, this is not an easy league to get out of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 27 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 27 May, 2009 What's the point in thinking any other way? If you didn't think we could get back up within 2 seasons you'd be pretty depressed and struggle to turn up to games. There is a difference between thinking and believing we can get back up in 2 seasons and expecting it or taking it for granted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 with the right manager and signings there is no reason why we should not challenge, whether or not Wotte and Wotton figure in that senario is a different matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 To be fair to Barry, we've all made this mistake before and we should probably look no further than Leeds for an example of why we shouldn't make it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 I agree its not an easy league to get out off as Leeds and Forest proved, but Leicester and Man City did it at the first attempt and I guess you have to go into it with the belief that you can do well. I was being bullish as a good positive attitude is what the boys need now to counteract all the recent negativity. In the end it will be a suck it and see and after year 1 will will know what is required. I really do believe that we will be out of it within three seasons, purley on the fact we will be a good outfit to play for and this will gives us an advantage in the transfer market, Gillingham or Southampton, no contest. But lets hope we are out of it at the first attempt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Next season - mid-table/play-offs Season after - promotion Season after - mid-table Season after - mid-table/play-offs Season after - promotion Season after - survival Season after - mid-table Season after - mid-table Season after - Europa league Season after - Challenge for 4th Season after - Top 4 (win Europa league) Season after - Title challenge (win FA Cup) Season after - Title challenge (win Champions League) Season after - Champions Season after - relegation Season after - relegation and repeat... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Summers Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Next season - mid-table/play-offs Season after - promotion Season after - mid-table Season after - mid-table/play-offs Season after - promotion Season after - survival Season after - mid-table Season after - mid-table Season after - Europa league Season after - Challenge for 4th Season after - Top 4 (win Europa league) Season after - Title challenge (win FA Cup) Season after - Title challenge (win Champions League) Season after - Champions Season after - relegation Season after - relegation & administration, Mark Fry to be optomistic about chances and beckon fans back to SMS after fans stay away. Thought i'd make a change ;-p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 A quick search reveals this phrase has not been used on SWF until the start of this thread. Hey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Depends entirely upon whether we get a buyer who is willing to invest and then it depends upon how much they will invest in playing/management staff. I see lower mid-table as the most probable. I have said before that League 1 is not easy - the football is better than most of us assume (not that much different to Championship standard aside from the strikers), the referees are likely to be even worse and there are some poxy little grounds our players will not like. There are also some good footbally clubs there, all aiming for promotion and without 10 point deductions. I would happily settle for promotion in 2 seasons but think that's unrealistic unless our buyer invests quite heavily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 with the right manager and signings there is no reason why we should not challenge, whether or not Wotte and Wotton figure in that senario is a different matter. That's pretty much exactly my take on the situation. My concern is that we're going to end up with pretty much exactly the same team as last season (minus Saga and Skacel) and we will be stuck with pretty much the same problems. I.e. lack of pace, creativity, bite and goals in midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 The number of times I see this written on these forums at the moment scares me. I'm interested in what peoples expectations are for the next 2-3 seasons because a lot seem to take it for granted that we will go back up... Impressed, cos that's the first time I've seen it, and I hang around here like a bad smell. Goal 0 : Start the season Goal 1 : Start the season in League One Goal 2 : On 0 points Goal 3 : No further points deductions Goal 4 : Don't get relegated Goal 5 : Win more games than we lose Goal 6 : Playoffs Goal 7 : Automatic Promotion Goal 8 : Champions Goal 9 : We will walk this League. I think failing to achieve Goal 2 will prevent us getting past Goal 5, and Goal 6 is absolutely the best we can hope for next season. At the moment I'd take Goal 1 and everything after that is a bonus, with getting to Goal 5 a definite preference. It might even be possible to achieve Goal 5 and not Goals 2,3 and 4 though. Following next season (09/10), which I hope will be consolidation (unless we get bought by a billionaire in which case promotion...), push on to challenge for promotion the following season (2010/11), hope to be back in the CCC/Prem 2/whatever by 2012/13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 We will go back up easliy in the next 2-3 seasons. Next season will be tough and our finishing position will be depend on the minus points or not, which will be the difference between automatic and play offs, imho. If it doesn't happen next year it will in either of the following two seasons. When we get promoted I will remind you of this thread. Woo-hoo, we found one ! [-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 A quick search reveals this phrase has not been used on SWF until the start of this thread. Hey! Impressed, cos that's the first time I've seen it, and I hang around here like a bad smell. Never doubt me ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 It requires a big change in mentality to go from losing most of our games to winning most of them. I cannot imagine that happening overnight so I think it will take 2 to 4 seasons in League 1 before we will be back in the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 It requires a big change in mentality to go from losing most of our games to winning most of them. I cannot imagine that happening overnight so I think it will take 2 to 4 seasons in League 1 before we will be back in the Championship. Well in one year we went from winning most (play offs) to losing most (last day survival). No reason that the opposite can't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 It requires a big change in mentality to go from losing most of our games to winning most of them. I cannot imagine that happening overnight so I think it will take 2 to 4 seasons in League 1 before we will be back in the Championship. Leicester seemed to do ok this season, as have a lot of the teams relegated into the CCC from the Prem..? I think the early games will be vital, especially in deciding how our young players react - promising early games and wins should bolster confidence, and there's nothing like confident, fearless young players to sustain a promotion push - but if we lose a few some might start to worry they're just not good enough players. Our final position may depend on points deductions as much as performance though ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 It requires a big change in mentality to go from losing most of our games to winning most of them. I cannot imagine that happening overnight so I think it will take 2 to 4 seasons in League 1 before we will be back in the Championship. Our youngsters managed the reverse of that in a couple of seasons, so why not be able to turn it around. As long as the new owners/board place more importance in appointing the right man as manager, than the last lot did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 a balanced summing up there from The9 - I hope that no.5/6 on that scale is realistic, what happens in 'the next 48 hours'/'by Friday' may decide whether we are looking at level 1 or level 8. But if anyone wants to pretend none of this has happened to us and continue to debate what international manager we are going to attract instead, go for it! I think we should sign Tevez and Terry, get Keegan and Shearer as a coaching dream team, we could get a club Lear Jet, have our own radio station, have catering the envy of........oh hang on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 I'm confident of promotion within 2 seasons... to the Conference South. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 27 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 27 May, 2009 (edited) A quick search reveals this phrase has not been used on SWF until the start of this thread. Hey! Well done, very clever of you. The post that prompted me to start the thread was http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showpost.php?p=310881&postcount=23 but this is something I have picked up on from a few forums and from speaking to Saints fans. Ok so maybe I shouldn't have said "on this site" but rather "the feeling I get from many fans" or something to that effect. Must remember that the £5 I pay includes an excellent service where mods/admin make you feel like a **** for trying to post a genuine point for discussion. Edited 27 May, 2009 by Barry the Badger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Must remember that the £5 I pay includes an excellent service where mods/admin make you feel like a **** for trying to post a genuine point for discussion. You should pay a tenner then, cos you clearly got very well served. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Our youngsters managed the reverse of that in a couple of seasons, so why not be able to turn it around. As long as the new owners/board place more importance in appointing the right man as manager, than the last lot did. I agree, with the right management and a good clearout we should be able to turn it around. It's just that I remember this sort of talk when we dropped out of the PL. I can't imagine us dropping any lower though... Oh no, what have I said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 27 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 27 May, 2009 I agree, with the right management and a good clearout we should be able to turn it around. It's just that I remember this sort of talk when we dropped out of the PL. I can't imagine us dropping any lower though... Oh no, what have I said? I was one of those who said that when we came down to the CCC "a chance to rebuild", "we will be a big club for that league" etc. At the end of the day you don't get promoted for having more supporters and a bigger stadium than the other teams. We will have a slight advantage in L1 due to our 'reputation' but you have to use that advantage intelligently and history has shown us that is not always as straightforward as it should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK the 2nd Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 A touch of realism by the bookies. We are currently quoted at 8/1 to be promoted next season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 We will have a slight advantage in L1 due to our 'reputation' but you have to use that advantage intelligently and history has shown us that is not always as straightforward as it should be. I fear it will be the reverse. As another poster said a while ago - every small club will treat Saints, Norwich and Charlton as proxies for the cup final games they will never get to play in. Each one will raise their game against us and we will have to be on top form week in week out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 I'm pretty sure thats what Nottingham Forest and Leeds fans thought too. Nothing would make me happier than to be wrong but I think as fans we need to be realistic, this is not an easy league to get out of. Err - Forest fans did get up in three seasons, and narrowly missed out in the play offs the other two. And Leeds made the play offs last season despite being 15 points shy and did again this season. More than likely to go up next season. Man City did it in one. Sheff Weds did it in two. Leicester did it in one. Not sure why you thinking it so terribly unrealistic to think we may get promoted in the next two or three seasons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 27 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Not sure why you thinking it so terribly unrealistic to think we may get promoted in the next two or three seasons? Where have I said that I think it is terribly unrealistic to think we may get promoted in two or three seasons? I think it's perfectly possible but a lot of people seem to be taking it as given that it will happen. In my opinion a lot of peoples expectations are too high, it is going to be anything but easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 The longer this takeover drags on, the less time available to prepare for next season. So unless we get a buyer with money to attract a good manager and players then lack of preparation will compound the 10 point disadvantage and therefore I can't see us making it up in one season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Where have I said that I think it is terribly unrealistic to think we may get promoted in two or three seasons?Your OP said "I'm interested in what peoples expectations are for the next 2-3 seasons because a lot seem to take it for granted that we will go back up..." which implies that you are not of the same opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 27 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 27 May, 2009 (edited) Your OP said "I'm interested in what peoples expectations are for the next 2-3 seasons because a lot seem to take it for granted that we will go back up..." which implies that you are not of the same opinion. It implies that I do not take it for granted that we will go back up. It doesn't imply that I don't think it's possible. Edited 27 May, 2009 by Barry the Badger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Correct. It implies that I do not take it for granted that we will go back up. It doesn't imply that I don't think it's possible.Too many double negatives there for me to comprehend. I'm off to a different thread..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Where have I said that I think it is terribly unrealistic to think we may get promoted in two or three seasons? I think it's perfectly possible but a lot of people seem to be taking it as given that it will happen. In my opinion a lot of peoples expectations are too high, it is going to be anything but easy. Make your mind up - most people on here are saying we'll be promoted in two or three years, and you're saying that expectations are too high. I'm saying people expecting us to be promoted in the next two or three years have their expectations about right, not least because most comparable clubs have achieved precisely that. Expectations, in my opinion are not too high at all. In fact I get annoyed by the ridiculous doom mongering making out that we're on course for the conference in two seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Correct. It implies that I do not take it for granted that we will go back up. It doesn't imply that I don't think it's possible. What a silly sentence that is. That just means you're right and everyone else is wrong regardless of what anyone else says. A masterpiece of meaninglessness sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Too many double negatives there for me to comprehend. I'm off to a different thread.........but before I go, FWIW I think promotion in one season is highly unlikely but promotion in 2-3 seasons is extremely likely (assuming we get to start next season of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 27 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 27 May, 2009 (edited) Make your mind up - most people on here are saying we'll be promoted in two or three years, and you're saying that expectations are too high. I've not changed my mind. I think it is possible that we could get promoted in 2-3 seasons but also I think anybody expecting it or thinking it will be easy will be in for a shock. I'm not sure that we as fans are quite geared up for what a bloody hard slog L1 is going to be and in my opinion the quicker we face up to it the better. Fans thinking that it's going to be a piece of p*ss are not going to help the cause as they will turn on the team as soon as their unrealistic expectations are not met. Edited 27 May, 2009 by Barry the Badger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjphilsaint Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Err - Forest fans did get up in three seasons, and narrowly missed out in the play offs the other two. And Leeds made the play offs last season despite being 15 points shy and did again this season. More than likely to go up next season. Man City did it in one. Sheff Weds did it in two. Leicester did it in one. Not sure why you thinking it so terribly unrealistic to think we may get promoted in the next two or three seasons? .. because none of them were in such a state as we are now/will continue to be for however long we have a future....... even though we are in administration I see NOTHING to suggest that this club will be run in an improved fashion...it is going to be a very long road.. and not a definite one forwards... FFS.. we cant even get excited about possible investors because there is always someone who can see a negative side to their interest... we are all wasting our time... but like the rest of you I cant help HOPING... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Err - Forest fans did get up in three seasons, and narrowly missed out in the play offs the other two. And Leeds made the play offs last season despite being 15 points shy and did again this season. More than likely to go up next season. Man City did it in one. Sheff Weds did it in two. Leicester did it in one. Not sure why you thinking it so terribly unrealistic to think we may get promoted in the next two or three seasons? Ah, but you haven't cited Oldham, Notts County, Swindon, Brighton, Luton. All these were in the top division at one stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 The number of times I've heard this from fellow fans over the last few months scares me. I'm interested in what peoples expectations are for the next 2-3 seasons because a lot seem to take it for granted that we will go back up... I wouldn't put money on this club managing to clear administration, so thinking about promotion or otherwise is thinking way too far ahead. Having studied some of the better L1 teams, compared with our sorry bunch from last season we will struggle IMO. Can see us finishing lower half of the table. It's going to be very tough to get anything from L1, but we will fail badly with Wotte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 I've not changed my mind. I think it is possible that we could get promoted in 2-3 seasons but also I think anybody expecting it or thinking it will be easy will be in for a shock. I'm not sure that we as fans are quite geared up for what a bloody hard slog L1 is going to be and in my opinion the quicker we face up to it the better. Fans thinking that it's going to be a piece of p*ss are not going to help the cause as they will turn on the team as soon as their unrealistic expectations are not met. Frankly, these people who "think its going to be a piece of ****" is just a figment of your imagination. If you can find any posters on this forum who "think its going to be a piece of ****" please point me in their direction by linking to posts where they say anything like that. And in the real world I haven't spoken to anyone who thinks it's going to be "a piece of ****". You're ranting about nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 (edited) Ah, but you haven't cited Oldham, Notts County, Swindon, Brighton, Luton. All these were in the top division at one stage. Yeah, that's right we've got so much more in common with Swindon (that'll be one season in the top division in their entire history) and Notts County (one season in Div One 1991-2 and bugger all before and since) and Brighton (top division mid eighties for a couple of seasons) than Sheffield Wednesday and Leicester. Right you are then. By the way you forgot Bradford and "Separated at birth from Saints" Oxford United too. The clubs I have named are comparable to Saints. The clubs you've named, and I've expanded on, aren't. Edited 27 May, 2009 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 .. because none of them were in such a state as we are now/will continue to be for however long we have a future....... even though we are in administration I see NOTHING to suggest that this club will be run in an improved fashion...it is going to be a very long road.. and not a definite one forwards... FFS.. we cant even get excited about possible investors because there is always someone who can see a negative side to their interest... we are all wasting our time... but like the rest of you I cant help HOPING... Sheffield Wednesday and Forest were in tip-top shape when they went down were they? Leeds were minus 15 points at the start of last season and fuc ked. Anyway, you are supporting my argument - because I take it you don't think it's going to be a "piece of ****". Does anyone here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Yeah, that's right we've got so much more in common with Swindon (that'll be one season in the top division in their entire history) than Sheffield Wednesday. By the way you forgot Bradford and Oxford too. The clubs I have named are comparable to Saints. The clubs you've named, and I've expanded on, aren't. I was not intending to post a comprehensive list, merely suggesting that it is not a foregone conclusion that we will bounce back quickly. I deliberately excluded Championship clubs from my examples. The three clubs you mentioned have all won more glittering prizes than Saints, and even (whisper it quietly) Pompey had won a lot more than us before they spent long years in the wilderness. Comparisons with luton Town do not bear thinking about! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 It's taken Burnley 33 years to get back to the top - as I may well not live to 2038 I'm kinda hoping the Saints display a greater sense of urgency . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 It's taken Burnley 33 years to get back to the top - as I may well not live to 2038 I'm kinda hoping the Saints display a greater sense of urgency . You obviously remember Angus, Elder, Pointer, Blacklaw and the like...Now that was a youth academy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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