Youth Unemployment

Why has nobody spoken the truth on this matter?

The fact is that Labours open door immigration policy, that has seen our country flooded with young East Europeans, is the reason for it.

Why has nobody spoken the truth on this matter?

 

The fact is that Labours open door immigration policy, that has seen our country flooded with young East Europeans, is the reason for it.

Last I heard on the subject they were all gone home again cos the UK is such a shît place.

The fact is that young East Europeans will work for less than young Brits, so it's an easy decision for employers.

Why has nobody spoken the truth on this matter?

 

The fact is that Labour's open door immigration policy, that has seen our country flooded with young East Europeans, is the reason for it.

Don't start getting liberal on apostrophes.

The truth of the matter is that nobody is running apprenticeships or taking on trainees, unemployment across the board is rising, part-time posts are being slashed left right and centre, and the economy is going down the pan. Immigration has very little to do with any of this, so get off your soapbox.

No - regardless of who's in power, young people typically bear the brunt of recessions - understandable as they have fewer skills, less experience and weaker networks to get by. And if you're talking about Labour's record on youth unemployment pre-recession, it was no worse than in the Thatcher and Major administrations.

At least, Labour is thinking about a plan B/stimulus which is probably the best and only way to ensure that today's youth does not suffer the same scarring effects on wages and prospects that it did in the 1980s.

I think I can offer some insight here.

I graduate in November, my course finished back in May. I have been looking for a job for four to five months and there simply aren't opportunities in journalism at the moment - I'm told it's the same in any other profession.

For me the problem lies with the previous Labour government that made it easier for anyone to go to university. A great idea in principle, more opportunities for people to go into higher education and improve their prospects. Practical? No. Universities as a result are over subscribed, courses such as beach combing are set up to give students just a subject to study for three years, and at the end of the studying there are too many people competing for a limited number of jobs.

The solution for the oversubscription thing to me is pretty simple, don't bother raising tuition fees to £9000 (which realistically is not as big a problem as my fellow students made out, in my opinion, given how its repaid if at all), just get rid of stupid courses like beach combing and football studies. Then make the grades required to get to university higher. When I applied for university I needed 3 B's - that's got lower year on year. You can underachieve at college for two years and still get a place at university, the same as someone who got three A's.

Just my opinion of course but I'm a part of it and I'm penniless. I'm currently working voluntarily to get my name known at the BBC.

A friend of mine dropped out of uni for personal reasons, and has been on the dole for about a year. He is genuinely trying to find work. My old flatmate on the other hand bragged towards the end of uni how he would move to London, live with some squatters and join the dole. He's done just that and is using the money he's given to buy gig tickets and go out on the **** every night.

It's a bad time for all of us and each individual has a story to tell. The reality for me is that this is a problem that has been coming for a long, long time.

Truth of the matter is that Unemployment has increaed so hand in hand really that so has youth unemployment, along with middle aged unemployment.....media rehash!

Cleaning up the mess that is today's UK might create a whole lot of employment,the instant you get out of the Tunnel at Folkestone you notice the difference, hedgerows sprawling all over the road, sh*t just thrown down everywhere,grass borders which look as they've been u**** since Tudor times,roads full of potholes.....but for all that you'd have to pay taxes and not spend every other weekend in Dubai or Thailand.

edit....if you write uncùt the swear filter assimilates it to u c*nt...strange must be a full time job in fixing that.

Why has nobody spoken the truth on this matter?

 

The fact is that Labours open door immigration policy, that has seen our country flooded with young East Europeans, is the reason for it.

Did you watch the pictures from the recent riots? Would you want to offer any of them work? Me neither.

The truth of the matter is that nobody is running apprenticeships or taking on trainees, unemployment across the board is rising, part-time posts are being slashed left right and centre, and the economy is going down the pan. Immigration has very little to do with any of this, so get off your soapbox.

So having hundreds of thousands of young Eastern Europeans flooding the jobs market has very little effect. The Liberal Elite have spoken.

So having hundreds of thousands of young Eastern Europeans flooding the jobs market has very little effect. The Liberal Elite have spoken.

How many 16 - 20yo Poles are over here? Most I come across and mid-20s +.

How many 16 - 20yo Poles are over here? Most I come across and mid-20s +.

Yep, but these people are taking lots of jobs that would have gone to school leavers desperate for work.

Did you watch the pictures from the recent riots? Would you want to offer any of them work? Me neither.

So I'm 22 and unemployed. Does that make me a rioter? Am I not worthy of being offered a job?

This is exactly what Ken Livingstone was saying. Apparently because I'm unemployed and unhappy about it, I'm likely to be a rioter. I actually asked his people for an apology but didn't get one.

And the last I heard, most migrants in London particularly were actually coming in from France. The number of Poles has fallen sharply.

Ken Livingstone was saying because I'm unemployed and unhappy about it, I'm likely to be a rioter. I actually asked his people for an apology but didn't get one.

Socialists have to blame someone, and they'll never blame themselves.

So having hundreds of thousands of young Eastern Europeans flooding the jobs market has very little effect. The Liberal Elite have spoken.

Dune has a point here, and its funny that a Southampton forum is in denial over Eastern Block - As Southampton is the UK capital of poles, with about 30-40k of them in the city!

Building, electrictians, plumbing, car washing, web design, telesales, tree surgery, bars/pubs/restaurants, the list could go on and on (and thats before considering the black market: drugs, theft, counterfiet goods, data fraud, cash machine fraud... they have without doubt mopped up a % of jobs that would have been perfect for young English citizens...

They are nice, friendly and hardworking in the main in my opinion... I dont think they have all packed up and gone home just yet, Poland still aint that great just yet!

Walk into a University buiding and you will find a lot of poles, they will tell you they came here to study as the EU means they pay the same subsidised (for now!) price as UK natives, and an English degree is worth ten times that of a Polish one, even in Poland!

How many 16 - 20yo Poles are over here? Most I come across and mid-20s +.

And from what is visible, in Southampton at least is that they make their own opportunities. There are a lot who work self employed, opening shops and working as independent skilled tradesmen. I would argue that there is little in the way to encourage entrepreneurship in the UK at present. This would have been one of the main things I'd have thought the government would have addressed. Instead they just print more money (increasing inflation), and create Enterprise Zones (which just moves jobs away from cities, and reduces the amount of tax the government gets). Surely no one can actually think the tories are doing a decent job, they look clueless.

For me the problem lies with the previous Labour government that made it easier for anyone to go to university. A great idea in principle, more opportunities for people to go into higher education and improve their prospects. Practical? No. Universities as a result are over subscribed, courses such as beach combing are set up to give students just a subject to study for three years, and at the end of the studying there are too many people competing for a limited number of jobs.

From an employers point of view, a robust recruitment process should still end up with you taking on the strongest candidates, but with more degree graduates it does indeed mean a lot more people applying and means we need to sift through them a lot more carefully to get to the quality.

Personally, I think degrees are becoming less important, unless they give you specific skills which you can't get elsewhere, but then my recruitment has always focused on the individual and not the qualification, because that always produces far better, long-term results, to get the right person to fit the team and the company.

All that said, irrespective of uni course and places, young people still need employment, whether it's skilled or not, or relies on a degree or not. Personally, until the focus is shifted from profit to people, this problem will remain. Growth is not the answer to all the problems - it is likely to only create more. A steady state economy is more likely to increase employment opportunities whilst also bringing in returns on investment that are sustainable.

But that's a whole other conversation.

Rhetorical question - why doesn't Dave send all the Poles (and Spanish, French, German, American etc. etc. etc.) home then? It would solve his unemployment problem at a stroke!

Dune, just out of interest, what is your opinion on Brits living and working abroad?

So I'm 22 and unemployed. Does that make me a rioter? Am I not worthy of being offered a job?

 

This is exactly what Ken Livingstone was saying. Apparently because I'm unemployed and unhappy about it, I'm likely to be a rioter. I actually asked his people for an apology but didn't get one.

 

And the last I heard, most migrants in London particularly were actually coming in from France. The number of Poles has fallen sharply.

It was a light hearted poke at todays "youth" but I'll bite...

I'm 26 and have been employed since I was 17 having opted out of attending university. It's called being prepared to work ones ar$e off in seemingly dead end jobs to build up experience before you become attractive to prospective employers. That and moving to where the jobs are. I moved to London in order to find work and don't regret it at all. I also now know that with my experience and track record, there are lots of jobs in Southampton I could virtually walk in to, due to my experience in that there London.

Being a spotty oik fresh out of Uni with a 2.1 expecting the world to be handed to you on a plate is not enough. You have to be able to sell yourself to prospective employers. Not make them ask the question "can I afford to hire this person?" but rather "can I afford not to hire this person?" I'm not saying this is the case for you but I am saying this is the case far too often. If you can get them to ask the 2nd question, you are on your way. I don't like to come across as arrogant but I have been on both sides of the interview on numerous occasions and would consider myself an interview specialist. I genuinely cannot remember receiving a rejection from any interview I have been to, including interviews down in Southampton when I was younger and also a few years ago when I considered moving back.

If you go to uni, study something relevant and then come out of university trying to get a job in that field then I respect what you are saying. I've seen far too many people come out of Uni having studied History, then go and become a trainee accountant. Pointless.

Rhetorical question - why doesn't Dave send all the Poles (and Spanish, French, German, American etc. etc. etc.) home then? It would solve his unemployment problem at a stroke!

maybe...maybe not. Be nice to have a choice and shut the door for a couple of years..

So having hundreds of thousands of young Eastern Europeans flooding the jobs market has very little effect.

Provide the statistical evidence to back up your supposition, together with the analysis that demonstrates the correlation between 'young' eastern Europeans and UK youth unemployment. There must be a YouTube video or link from the UKIP website.

Provide the statistical evidence to back up your supposition, together with the analysis that demonstrates the correlation between 'young' eastern Europeans and UK youth unemployment. There must be a YouTube video or link from the UKIP website.

having more people than jobs (if that is the case dune is making) does not and will never add up

maybe...maybe not. Be nice to have a choice and shut the door for a couple of years..

As long as ex-pats were required to return to GB eh? Only fair.

As long as ex-pats were required to return to GB eh? Only fair.

what point did I say we should kick people out..?

what point did I say we should kick people out..?

You didn't. I was just extrapolating your 'theory' to its logical conclusion for you.

You didn't. I was just extrapolating your 'theory' to its logical conclusion for you.

not really..I just said it would be nice if those in power wanted to, to be able to shut the door for say 1-2 years......to let those (what ever nationality) in this country to go for the few jobs that are around....there is no logical far right, hate the foreigners logical conclusion to follow

not really..I just said it would be nice if those in power wanted to, to be able to shut the door for say 1-2 years......to let those (what ever nationality) in this country to go for the few jobs that are around....there is no logical far right, hate the foreigners logical conclusion to follow

I wasn't suggesting it was xenophobic. Too many people from Europe in the UK - simple answer = send them home. BUT on the understanding that expats come back here. After all, those Europeans might welcome the chance to take on the jobs in their own countries that some of the expats might have taken.

Now I'm not seriously suggesting this SHOULD happen, far from it. But a 'level playing field' policy should be instigated if this country were ever to impose such a law (they can't actually - European Directives [freedom of movement, competition etc] would forbid it).

I wasn't suggesting it was xenophobic. Too many people from Europe in the UK - simple answer = send them home. BUT on the understanding that expats come back here. After all, those Europeans might welcome the chance to take on the jobs in their own countries that some of the expats might have taken.

 

Now I'm not seriously suggesting this SHOULD happen, far from it. But a 'level playing field' policy should be instigated if this country were ever to impose such a law (they can't actually - European Directives [freedom of movement, competition etc] would forbid it).

why send them home...? you are harsh

why are you taking what I meant as "send them home"... do you want me to mean that..?

anyway, will never happen so pointless

Immigration has definitely made a difference, fact is if you live in some Eastern European craphole then minimum wage over here is more appealing than to someone brought up over here. It's easy to have a go at the English scroungers but it is understandable why you wouldn't do some dead end job when you will be almost as well off on benefits, ****ing about on your playstation all day and dealing a bit of weed - in a way that is more entrepreneurial than busting your ass getting nowhere making some other c*nt rich.

The tories have done precisely nothing to stop immigration or ease youth unemployment though so I don't get the original post.

What I'm struggling to understand is this. Why is unemployment higher here than it is in other comparable northern European countries? Can anyone give me a sensible answer please?

Why has nobody spoken the truth on this matter?

 

The fact is that Labours open door immigration policy, that has seen our country flooded with young East Europeans, is the reason for it.

I thought it was the school system's fault for not teaching them the 'correct things' in the 'correct way'...or is that another Tory excuse?

What I'm struggling to understand is this. Why is unemployment higher here than it is in other comparable northern European countries? Can anyone give me a sensible answer please?

That would be difficult because it isn't.Unless you're looking at countries like Holland and Norway which aren't really comparable because of their relatively small populations and highish tax rates the UK doesn't have a high jobless total. What it does have is an incredible number of layabouts on every street corner,I guess in other countries the young unemployed are just less noticeable.However I might venture to say that because of the UK's exhorbitant housing cost it might not be particularly attractive for young people to take lower paid jobs.Don't get me started on the University system though cos I'd just get banned.The Uk has made Unis out of tech colleges and the graduates coming out of them aren't up to scratch.

I wouldn't say it's "foreign" people who are the problem at all. In my experience, it's mostly the unwashed natives who are reluctant to work...

The problem is the people at the top, who are happy to have us all arguing about foerign workers, shirkers etc, while they earn huge profits, bank bonuses etc,

Don't blame the victim, blame the criminal.

Ask yourself where last weeks £75BN QE went....

We need to wake up to the causes of our problems...big money, arms industry etc. Not you, not me,...............them !!

Why has nobody spoken the truth on this matter?

 

The fact is that Labours open door immigration policy, that has seen our country flooded with young East Europeans, is the reason for it.

Can't stop laughing.........stop reading the Daily Mail.

From an employers point of view, a robust recruitment process should still end up with you taking on the strongest candidates, but with more degree graduates it does indeed mean a lot more people applying and means we need to sift through them a lot more carefully to get to the quality.

 

Personally, I think degrees are becoming less important, unless they give you specific skills which you can't get elsewhere, but then my recruitment has always focused on the individual and not the qualification, because that always produces far better, long-term results, to get the right person to fit the team and the company.

 

All that said, irrespective of uni course and places, young people still need employment, whether it's skilled or not, or relies on a degree or not. Personally, until the focus is shifted from profit to people, this problem will remain. Growth is not the answer to all the problems - it is likely to only create more. A steady state economy is more likely to increase employment opportunities whilst also bringing in returns on investment that are sustainable.

 

But that's a whole other conversation.

I believe degrees have been devalued, so I quite agree with you when you say degrees are worth less these days. I attended the best university for my course, it was accredited by the best bodies and I was forced to pay my own money to take exams that I didn't even have to pass - it was just to be a part of the course. At the end of it, what do I have to show for it? I could just as easily have gone straight into work and in the same three years ended up in a better position. It's now almost impossible to get work experience, let alone a job.

It was a light hearted poke at todays "youth" but I'll bite...

 

I'm 26 and have been employed since I was 17 having opted out of attending university. It's called being prepared to work ones ar$e off in seemingly dead end jobs to build up experience before you become attractive to prospective employers. That and moving to where the jobs are. I moved to London in order to find work and don't regret it at all. I also now know that with my experience and track record, there are lots of jobs in Southampton I could virtually walk in to, due to my experience in that there London.

 

Being a spotty oik fresh out of Uni with a 2.1 expecting the world to be handed to you on a plate is not enough. You have to be able to sell yourself to prospective employers. Not make them ask the question "can I afford to hire this person?" but rather "can I afford not to hire this person?" I'm not saying this is the case for you but I am saying this is the case far too often. If you can get them to ask the 2nd question, you are on your way. I don't like to come across as arrogant but I have been on both sides of the interview on numerous occasions and would consider myself an interview specialist. I genuinely cannot remember receiving a rejection from any interview I have been to, including interviews down in Southampton when I was younger and also a few years ago when I considered moving back.

 

If you go to uni, study something relevant and then come out of university trying to get a job in that field then I respect what you are saying. I've seen far too many people come out of Uni having studied History, then go and become a trainee accountant. Pointless.

I quite agree, sorry, didn't want to make out that you said I was a rioter, not my intention at all.

A friend of mine watched in college as I did A level Media Studies - which, having done the course, I can confirm its a load of balls, but wanting to be a journalist I had to do it - and decided to not do hospitality at university and instead do Media & History. He graduated a year earlier than me and is being turned down for full time jobs on check outs in supermarkets. Not because he's over qualified, because they just don't want him. Apparently a graduate is not a good prospect, which says it all. Media & History? How will that get you anywhere in life?

Very much agree with the statement in bold too. You cannot be afraid of hard work. I for one am not.

I believe degrees have been devalued, so I quite agree with you when you say degrees are worth less these days. I attended the best university for my course, it was accredited by the best bodies and I was forced to pay my own money to take exams that I didn't even have to pass - it was just to be a part of the course. At the end of it, what do I have to show for it? I could just as easily have gone straight into work and in the same three years ended up in a better position. It's now almost impossible to get work experience, let alone a job.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Our young people are being conned by the system into believing that going to Uni, will give them a great start and a decent job.

Universities should be a place for the elite, they should be where the very brightest and able children go from all walks of life go( I'm not saying you are not, by the way). By deciding that it is a good thing for 50% of our children to attend Uni, that has been watered down.There was never any thought of me going to Uni, I was just not one of the elite at my school, just an average pupil. Nowadays average pupils attend Uni and run up huge debts for the privilage of doing so.

Govt's of both colours did not acheive this near 50% mark, by raising standards so high that 50% of our children could be considered elite, but by changing Polytechnic's into uni's, by designing degrees for the average pupil and by generally dumbing down the requirements to be a Uni student. It is not the Children's fault, as I said, they have been conned. The attraction for the Govt (of both colours) is they can chant the mantra that "more people benefit from uni education", and it also keeps many off the unemployment register ( a win/win).

Our young people are being conned by the system into believing that going to Uni, will give them a great start and a decent job.

 

Universities should be a place for the elite, they should be where the very brightest and able children go from all walks of life go( I'm not saying you are not, by the way). By deciding that it is a good thing for 50% of our children to attend Uni, that has been watered down.There was never any thought of me going to Uni, I was just not one of the elite at my school, just an average pupil. Nowadays average pupils attend Uni and run up huge debts for the privilage of doing so.

 

Govt's of both colours did not acheive this near 50% mark, by raising standards so high that 50% of our children could be considered elite, but by changing Polytechnic's into uni's, by designing degrees for the average pupil and by generally dumbing down the requirements to be a Uni student. It is not the Children's fault, as I said, they have been conned. The attraction for the Govt (of both colours) is they can chant the mantra that "more people benefit from uni education", and it also keeps many off the unemployment register ( a win/win).

Not much to disagree with there.

I've been doing manual work for minimum wage for extra cash. I am generally the only English person doing it..the thing is none of the other people there (Normally Polish or Indian) get full time work and they never know when or where they'll be working. If you wanted to do it you could...loads of my mates whine about there not being work out there but if you really want something you can find something most days. It's just a **** time at the moment...lot's of reasons for it. I could be in a comfortable situation but I take responsibility for my stupidity when times were good and my decisions were bad.

It was a light hearted poke at todays "youth" but I'll bite...

 

I'm 26 and have been employed since I was 17 having opted out of attending university. It's called being prepared to work ones ar$e off in seemingly dead end jobs to build up experience before you become attractive to prospective employers. That and moving to where the jobs are. I moved to London in order to find work and don't regret it at all. I also now know that with my experience and track record, there are lots of jobs in Southampton I could virtually walk in to, due to my experience in that there London.

 

Being a spotty oik fresh out of Uni with a 2.1 expecting the world to be handed to you on a plate is not enough. You have to be able to sell yourself to prospective employers. Not make them ask the question "can I afford to hire this person?" but rather "can I afford not to hire this person?" I'm not saying this is the case for you but I am saying this is the case far too often. If you can get them to ask the 2nd question, you are on your way. I don't like to come across as arrogant but I have been on both sides of the interview on numerous occasions and would consider myself an interview specialist. I genuinely cannot remember receiving a rejection from any interview I have been to, including interviews down in Southampton when I was younger and also a few years ago when I considered moving back.

 

If you go to uni, study something relevant and then come out of university trying to get a job in that field then I respect what you are saying. I've seen far too many people come out of Uni having studied History, then go and become a trainee accountant. Pointless.

I went to university, worked my arse off, came out of university, worked my arse off and now I'm in a profession that I've always wanted to do without having to bother with "seemingly dead end jobs".

It does have some advantages.

Our young people are being conned by the system into believing that going to Uni, will give them a great start and a decent job.

 

Universities should be a place for the elite, they should be where the very brightest and able children go from all walks of life go( I'm not saying you are not, by the way). By deciding that it is a good thing for 50% of our children to attend Uni, that has been watered down.There was never any thought of me going to Uni, I was just not one of the elite at my school, just an average pupil. Nowadays average pupils attend Uni and run up huge debts for the privilage of doing so.

 

Govt's of both colours did not acheive this near 50% mark, by raising standards so high that 50% of our children could be considered elite, but by changing Polytechnic's into uni's, by designing degrees for the average pupil and by generally dumbing down the requirements to be a Uni student. It is not the Children's fault, as I said, they have been conned. The attraction for the Govt (of both colours) is they can chant the mantra that "more people benefit from uni education", and it also keeps many off the unemployment register ( a win/win).

Mark the day. Lord D and I are in agreement.

I went to Uni. Needed to go for what I wanted to do, which is **** around with computers. I took the whole thing completely seriously, handed everything in on time and to a high standard. Though I can't say that I've used everything they ever taught me, I got a lot out of it and am pleasantly surprised when concepts that used to be restricted to academia surface in the professional world. That has actually happened a lot lately.

But (you knew there was a 'but' coming)... Many of the people on my course were shiftless feckers with no interest in the subject whatsoever, merely killing a couple of years before they'd eventually have to get a job. No word of a lie, I walked into a tutorial once to see a classmate with his feet on up on the desk reading a copy of the Daily Express, overtly oblivious of anything that was being said. Group projects were a complete nightmare, as you'd invariably end up with someone who didn't give a feck, or as happened to us, completely absent throughout the entire process. What do you do in that situation? Point out that "actually, such-and-such did absolutely feck all"? We ended up pretending he was an integral part of the project. That's probably not a unique example.

I went to a former poly, and wouldn't recommend it to anyone who is geeky about their subject. A lot of students there are "insurance jobs", either having the place as a second choice after failing to make the grade, or brought by the wonder of clearing.

So yep, too many kids go to University. They study crap subjects, don't have a plan, think it'll all work out and end up doing 12K admin jobs in insurance companies, which they could have got without going to Uni.

Dune the scratched record.

The only conclusion is to blame the immigrants.

A dumb **** like you is never gonna blame offshoring etc.

Here is a stat for you oh thick one. Wipro in India are taking on 10000 people a month......whose jobs arevthey taking?

India is having the equivalent of a gold rush come on.....at whose expense is this happening. You are so dull it's unreal.

I am a bit ****ed so I am more animated than normal.

Here's one for our resident brown shirt Dune.... back in the 'glory years' of Mad Maggie, the last time we had 3m+ unemployed, large numbers of Britsh workers went to Germany (think Auf Wiedersehen Pet) - only they were actually working illegally as this was before the EN legislation on freedom of movement - no jobs here, chance of paying no tax in Germany - That vicious cow Thatch actively encouraged such 'enterprizing' spirit and her then lap dog Norma Tebbit even commented that those unemployed should 'get on their bike' - such compasionste souls teh apir of them.

Firstly the number of LEGALLY migrant worksers from WITHIN THE EU taking jobs from otherwise school leavers is negliable compared to the total, and most already have skills and are older... so not sure what your problem is... seems to me its typical Tory inconsistency, wanting it both ways - I would suggest that the number of Brits working abroad is approxiamtely equal or there abouts to the number of EU nationals working here... but hey why let common sense and rational thinking interfere with a good old reason to strike up the xenophobic banner... but then again those UKIP and Tory's who go on about this were always ignorant ******s....

Frank i've already told you I don't read your boring posts.

Our young people are being conned by the system into believing that going to Uni, will give them a great start and a decent job.

 

Universities should be a place for the elite, they should be where the very brightest and able children go from all walks of life go( I'm not saying you are not, by the way). By deciding that it is a good thing for 50% of our children to attend Uni, that has been watered down.There was never any thought of me going to Uni, I was just not one of the elite at my school, just an average pupil. Nowadays average pupils attend Uni and run up huge debts for the privilage of doing so.

 

Govt's of both colours did not acheive this near 50% mark, by raising standards so high that 50% of our children could be considered elite, but by changing Polytechnic's into uni's, by designing degrees for the average pupil and by generally dumbing down the requirements to be a Uni student. It is not the Children's fault, as I said, they have been conned. The attraction for the Govt (of both colours) is they can chant the mantra that "more people benefit from uni education", and it also keeps many off the unemployment register ( a win/win).

Totally and utterly agree.

Not for your benefit, as I suspect you are too 'challenged ' to comprehend them anyway. They are for the rest of us to have a good laugh at your expense

I've got a job interview on Thursday. Hurrah!