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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkish View Post
    His last chance of a big move has gone and his England chances, you're right, that doesn't mean he didn't want one though.
    There’s always the mediocre teams with more money than sense, I.e. West Ham and Everton. You never know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Le God View Post
    That isn't relevant
    What isn’t relevant, someone correcting one of the many misapprehensions on this board?

    Quote Originally Posted by TWar View Post
    The difference being that we send our young players to a team where they will be first choice to get experience. If we were to send Josh Sims to Leeds or something so he could warm their bench instead of ours for 6 months with little chance of meaningful minutes we'd be equally confused. This guy won't play above Bertrand likely in the next 6 months so what's the point?
    How do you know we will even sign this guy and even more so, how do you know future team selections? That’s even more mystical. TWarstradamus! What with Egg having the inside info on the club budget and wage bill and others a direct line to the transfer targets and wage capacity, some members of this board really do have their finger on the pulse which is even stranger when you consider so many of the assertions never come to fruition yet so many criticise opinions outside of their own, many of whom aren’t even making predictions based on logic. Oh well. Time will tell.

    Just because someone is on the books of PSG, doesn’t mean they’re necessarily good or suited to the rigours of the Premier League.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pilchards View Post
    No Bertrand has not been wanting to leave for a couple of years. Total bull**** on that one.
    Would we sell Targett if he wanted out?
    Yes he has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesfp1 View Post
    Bertrand is 30 years old. Too old for England, too old to go to a better club. Probably very well settled family life due to how long he's been here. His best option is to stay here and be first choice LB. He's not stupid either and will know this.
    Lives in London, always has done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkish View Post
    Its true though. Get out from behind your computer games, talk to people and you might find some information out too. The reason I know what I know is not because I declined a transfer request from him on FM2018 version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon Mockles View Post
    What isnít relevant, someone correcting one of the many misapprehensions on this board?



    How do you know we will even sign this guy and even more so, how do you know future team selections? Thatís even more mystical. TWarstradamus! What with Egg having the inside info on the club budget and wage bill and others a direct line to the transfer targets and wage capacity, some members of this board really do have their finger on the pulse which is even stranger when you consider so many of the assertions never come to fruition yet so many criticise opinions outside of their own, many of whom arenít even making predictions based on logic. Oh well. Time will tell.

    Just because someone is on the books of PSG, doesnít mean theyíre necessarily good or suited to the rigours of the Premier League.
    Haha, I like the nickname, very creative. I don't know whether he will sign, I was discussing the idea of him signing (whether it is a good idea or not etc.) such is the purpose of a transfer thread. As for future team selections, it doesn't require psychic powers to notice Bertrand is in fine form and is unlikely to be readily replaced by a 19 year old with no experience in the league. I don't mind the idea of signing a young up and comer like this to deputise Bertrand, its a great idea to plan for the future, but it is hardly planning for the future if it is just a short term loan with no signing clause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Not read that before, I read it as an obligation to buy at the end of the season, without caveats (other than if we'd been relegated and the player declined the move).
    Donít quote me on that. I was told by a couple of sources &, really, I should do my due diligence and ask around and check but it seemed plausible as we spent out while under the ownership of an owner determined to not part with a single penny. Was a lot of money and had all the hallmarks or a Les Ďagreementí. Had anyone heard about this? I thought it was common knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKD View Post
    Lives in London, always has done.
    Surrey actually 45 minutes from Southampton and 60 minutes from central London

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon Mockles View Post
    What with Egg having the inside info on the club budget and wage bill and others a direct line to the transfer targets and wage capacity, some members of this board really do have their finger on the pulse which is even stranger when you consider so many of the assertions never come to fruition yet so many criticise opinions outside of their own, many of whom aren’t even making predictions based on logic. Oh well. Time will tell..
    Gordon, as much as I'm delighted that you're thinking about me, my financial information has long since passed so in terms of actual facts / information, I'm almost as clueless as you are pal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
    Incorrect. Danny Ings was a loan with an obligation to buy.

    All of you long winded and critical posts are based on you having absolutely no information on what is happening within the club. You do not know what Mr Gao thinks, or what his intentions are with Southampton FC. You know nothing about what transfers are or are not going to take place and you do not know how much money has been allocated for transfers.

    In fact everything you write is based on what you think, what you feel and your in built negativity towards people within our club that you personally know nothing about.

    The fact that the whole club are now making an immense effort to correct previous mistakes and create something that may well turn out to be quite special is being done on a sustainable basis. You are wrong to accuse the club of breaking promises when the club have made no promises, other than to do the very best it can in an incredibly competitive league.

    The people involved with Southampton FC are working flat out to make it a success and rather than keep sniping at them perhaps you should get behind the club 100%. No one is perfect and no human being can be right all the time. Things go wrong and mistakes are made but throwing criticism at what the club is or isn't doing, based on nothing but your opinion, is pathetic and very tiresome.

    There are very positive things happening within the club that can not be made public. No company holds its management meetings in public when it discusses future development or other sensitive matters. Southampton FC are no different.
    Interesting.

    Your posts suggest you are privy to news of positive developments around the club and ownership?

    Without compromising the sensitivity of this information, can you tell us about timescales involved for any of this or opine even?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by saint77 View Post
    Surrey actually 45 minutes from Southampton and 60 minutes from central London
    Correct, Surrey.

    Point being, he doesnít live down here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
    Incorrect. Danny Ings was a loan with an obligation to buy.

    All of you long winded and critical posts are based on you having absolutely no information on what is happening within the club. You do not know what Mr Gao thinks, or what his intentions are with Southampton FC. You know nothing about what transfers are or are not going to take place and you do not know how much money has been allocated for transfers.

    In fact everything you write is based on what you think, what you feel and your in built negativity towards people within our club that you personally know nothing about.

    The fact that the whole club are now making an immense effort to correct previous mistakes and create something that may well turn out to be quite special is being done on a sustainable basis. You are wrong to accuse the club of breaking promises when the club have made no promises, other than to do the very best it can in an incredibly competitive league.

    The people involved with Southampton FC are working flat out to make it a success and rather than keep sniping at them perhaps you should get behind the club 100%. No one is perfect and no human being can be right all the time. Things go wrong and mistakes are made but throwing criticism at what the club is or isn't doing, based on nothing but your opinion, is pathetic and very tiresome.

    There are very positive things happening within the club that can not be made public. No company holds its management meetings in public when it discusses future development or other sensitive matters. Southampton FC are no different.
    Great Post in many respects. There's too much negativity and naivety from many posters, and a belief that if we don't get transfers over the line then promises (!) are somehow being broken and/or the club and it's senior staff are incompetent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
    Incorrect. Danny Ings was a loan with an obligation to buy.

    All of you long winded and critical posts are based on you having absolutely no information on what is happening within the club. You do not know what Mr Gao thinks, or what his intentions are with Southampton FC. You know nothing about what transfers are or are not going to take place and you do not know how much money has been allocated for transfers.

    In fact everything you write is based on what you think, what you feel and your in built negativity towards people within our club that you personally know nothing about.

    The fact that the whole club are now making an immense effort to correct previous mistakes and create something that may well turn out to be quite special is being done on a sustainable basis. You are wrong to accuse the club of breaking promises when the club have made no promises, other than to do the very best it can in an incredibly competitive league.

    The people involved with Southampton FC are working flat out to make it a success and rather than keep sniping at them perhaps you should get behind the club 100%. No one is perfect and no human being can be right all the time. Things go wrong and mistakes are made but throwing criticism at what the club is or isn't doing, based on nothing but your opinion, is pathetic and very tiresome.

    There are very positive things happening within the club that can not be made public. No company holds its management meetings in public when it discusses future development or other sensitive matters. Southampton FC are no different.
    Amen! At last a post with some sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
    Incorrect. Danny Ings was a loan with an obligation to buy.

    All of you long winded and critical posts are based on you having absolutely no information on what is happening within the club. You do not know what Mr Gao thinks, or what his intentions are with Southampton FC. You know nothing about what transfers are or are not going to take place and you do not know how much money has been allocated for transfers.

    In fact everything you write is based on what you think, what you feel and your in built negativity towards people within our club that you personally know nothing about.

    The fact that the whole club are now making an immense effort to correct previous mistakes and create something that may well turn out to be quite special is being done on a sustainable basis. You are wrong to accuse the club of breaking promises when the club have made no promises, other than to do the very best it can in an incredibly competitive league.

    The people involved with Southampton FC are working flat out to make it a success and rather than keep sniping at them perhaps you should get behind the club 100%. No one is perfect and no human being can be right all the time. Things go wrong and mistakes are made but throwing criticism at what the club is or isn't doing, based on nothing but your opinion, is pathetic and very tiresome.

    There are very positive things happening within the club that can not be made public. No company holds its management meetings in public when it discusses future development or other sensitive matters. Southampton FC are no different.
    Hi Jordan. Do you collect Semmens dry cleaning now instead of Corteses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by saint77 View Post
    Surrey actually 45 minutes from Southampton and 60 minutes from central London
    Depends where in Surrey, where Bertrand lives is probably 1.45-2 hours in normal traffic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkish View Post
    Depends where in Surrey, where Bertrand lives is probably 1.45-2 hours in normal traffic.
    Hardly a massive commute that many others donít do though. In the car at 7.30 isnít that terrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkish View Post
    Hi Jordan. Do you collect Semmens dry cleaning now instead of Corteses?


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    Quote Originally Posted by TopGun View Post
    Hardly a massive commute that many others donít do though. In the car at 7.30 isnít that terrible.
    Thatís not the point. The argument was that he and his family are probably settled. They are, in Surrey. Anywhere south of Birmingham is a commutable distance (which in a way is why heís still here).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel View Post

    There are very positive things happening within the club that can not be made public. No company holds its management meetings in public when it discusses future development or other sensitive matters. Southampton FC are no different.
    Are these things written down as 5 pledges and sat on the CEOs desk?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKD View Post
    Lives in London, always has done.
    just the sort of player Palace buy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkish View Post
    Depends where in Surrey, where Bertrand lives is probably 1.45-2 hours in normal traffic.
    Cobham. My mate has done some work at his house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince View Post
    Cobham. My mate has done some work at his house.
    I go paint balling there all the time, can't be more than an hour and a quarter from Marchwood. I can't see geography being an issue but if that last big pay cheque comes up somewhere...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Le God View Post
    Your personality involved petty personal insults when asked a reasonable question... you may need to work on that!
    that is a pretty good put down

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkish View Post
    Its true though. Get out from behind your computer games, talk to people and you might find some information out too. The reason I know what I know is not because I declined a transfer request from him on FM2018 version.
    Touche

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
    There are very positive things happening within the club that can not be made public. No company holds its management meetings in public when it discusses future development or other sensitive matters. Southampton FC are no different.
    That Frankie and Benny's is going to be effing brilliant when it opens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by egg View Post
    Gordon, as much as I'm delighted that you're thinking about me, my financial information has long since passed so in terms of actual facts / information, I'm almost as clueless as you are pal.
    Don’t think I can be put in your league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TWar View Post
    Haha, I like the nickname, very creative. I don't know whether he will sign, I was discussing the idea of him signing (whether it is a good idea or not etc.) such is the purpose of a transfer thread. As for future team selections, it doesn't require psychic powers to notice Bertrand is in fine form and is unlikely to be readily replaced by a 19 year old with no experience in the league. I don't mind the idea of signing a young up and comer like this to deputise Bertrand, its a great idea to plan for the future, but it is hardly planning for the future if it is just a short term loan with no signing clause.
    Ralph did it with Adams over an experienced and much more reliable player in Ings so it is not beyond the realms of possibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB Fry View Post
    That Frankie and Benny's is going to be effing brilliant when it opens.
    Do they sell Red Bull ? ;-)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon Mockles View Post
    Ralph did it with Adams over an experienced and much more reliable player in Ings so it is not beyond the realms of possibility.
    Both Adams and Ings got a number of preseason friendlies to impress and Adams looked better, it is significantly harder to impress and displace a well-performing player mid-season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeG View Post
    Good news. First deal over the line.
    No update on this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodsaint View Post
    No update on this?
    It was ruled out by VAR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pilchards View Post
    It was ruled out by VAR.

    Touche

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
    Incorrect. Danny Ings was a loan with an obligation to buy.

    All of you long winded and critical posts are based on you having absolutely no information on what is happening within the club. You do not know what Mr Gao thinks, or what his intentions are with Southampton FC. You know nothing about what transfers are or are not going to take place and you do not know how much money has been allocated for transfers.

    In fact everything you write is based on what you think, what you feel and your in built negativity towards people within our club that you personally know nothing about.

    The fact that the whole club are now making an immense effort to correct previous mistakes and create something that may well turn out to be quite special is being done on a sustainable basis. You are wrong to accuse the club of breaking promises when the club have made no promises, other than to do the very best it can in an incredibly competitive league.

    The people involved with Southampton FC are working flat out to make it a success and rather than keep sniping at them perhaps you should get behind the club 100%. No one is perfect and no human being can be right all the time. Things go wrong and mistakes are made but throwing criticism at what the club is or isn't doing, based on nothing but your opinion, is pathetic and very tiresome.

    There are very positive things happening within the club that can not be made public. No company holds its management meetings in public when it discusses future development or other sensitive matters. Southampton FC are no different.
    Incorrect. Danny Ings was a loan with an obligation to buy.

    If Iím wrong on that, I have no issue with that being shot down. Seems a pretty ridiculous contract to agree to have a loan with an obligation rather than an option to buy. The appearances obligation is a common clause. I hope that wasnít another Les Reed action, if true. Fortunately, Iím not arrogant enough to not admit fault and I donít know that Iím wrong but I had a number of people saying similar things & I thought there might have been something in it. Still, at least the club expert minions may get a chubby over that if itís wrong. Who cares anyway, Ings is on fire this season so Iím bloody glad we have him. Iíve liked him since day one. positive comment shocker. There must be something wrong with my inherent negativity switch!! Lol

    All of you long winded and critical posts are based on you having absolutely no information on what is happening within the club. You do not know what Mr Gao thinks, or what his intentions are with Southampton FC. You know nothing about what transfers are or are not going to take place and you do not know how much money has been allocated for transfers.

    You know absolutely nothing about what my posts are based on. Assuming anything is wildly presumptuous and as short sighted as you claim me to be. Fortunately, we are not in the House of Commons so we may be ok.

    I never professed to know. I just chatted & discussed football matters which is the general ethos of the forum I think Heir Angel. Conversely, Do you know Mr Gao? Do you know whatís happening within the club and do you know what the intentions are with Southampton FC? Iíd be worried about any fan who knew too much about the transfer intentions of a premier league club during a transfer window. I think youíre missing the entire point of this thread and the website.

    In fact everything you write is based on what you think, what you feel and your in built negativity towards people within our club that you personally know nothing about.

    I think most peopleís scrawlings & writings are based on thoughts they actually thought and emotions they actually felt. Whilst some of the posts on this forum are highly questionable, I donít think our club PR dept. have yet developed robots, autobots or artificial intelligence. I think some of the intelligence is artificial but not in the way you may think. Notwithstanding your post. ;o)

    Itís very difficult to write without those mechanisms, unless youíre a robot. Itís also very presumptuous to assume I have an inbuilt negativity towards the club. Itís more of an inbuilt intolerance of deceit, bigots and idiots but Iím responding to you so Iím at least making progress.

    The fact that the whole club are now making an immense effort to correct previous mistakes and create something that may well turn out to be quite special is being done on a sustainable basis. You are wrong to accuse the club of breaking promises when the club have made no promises, other than to do the very best it can in an incredibly competitive league.

    Since we know nothing about this speculative comment and whether itís as outlandish as the clubís PR departments grip on reality, it will be tricky for even the best spokesman to sell zero investment in the club as ďimmense effort to create previous mistakesĒ. I donít think Iím going to be pole vaulting around on a chubby just yet but Iíll definitely give the club credit when we see the fruits of their labour. Incidentally, can you give me a link to the article where the club said about their intentions to do the very best they can in the league? I guess thatís a given but words mean nothing (other than on this forum) and actions divulge more.

    I donít remember seeing many direct quotes from the club yet I clearly may have missed some. If I have, Iím not too big to admit my mistakes and Iíll adjust my view accordingly to all these people who managed to scout the media and unearth these counter quotes.

    The people involved with Southampton FC are working flat out to make it a success and rather than keep sniping at them perhaps you should get behind the club 100%. No one is perfect and no human being can be right all the time. Things go wrong and mistakes are made but throwing criticism at what the club is or isn't doing, based on nothing but your opinion, is pathetic and very tiresome.

    Not nearly as tiresome as you post criticising people criticising. I put people like that in the same band as reformed smokers and zealous vegans. I support the team and manager and those that need to be supported. Words on a football forum have very little impact so it is odd to provoke your abuse but itís your view. Fortunately, opinions vary. Everyone makes mistakes and everyone deserves forgiveness (within reason) but donít give me this angelic cr*p that clubs are some sort of mother Theresa. I love football but there is also an ugly inside to the game and everyone knows that & thatís not dwelling on negativity thatís looking at the light and the dark. Just save the sanctimony.

    There are very positive things happening within the club that can not be made public. No company holds its management meetings in public when it discusses future development or other sensitive matters. Southampton FC are no different.

    I have no doubt there is and I was never under any illusion otherwise. When I see this elusive ambition and success, I will join in with the fanfare. Heart on your sleeve debate and fickle comments are what preside over a football club and if you take it too seriously and deliberate too much, you really probably shouldnít follow football. Never sit in the stand on a match day if club owner critique & boardroom animosity pulls on your heart strings, your head will explode!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TWar View Post
    Both Adams and Ings got a number of preseason friendlies to impress and Adams looked better, it is significantly harder to impress and displace a well-performing player mid-season.

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    I agree, it’s much harder to displace a performing player and I do agree that Adams looked decent in preseason but I’m just making a point which is entirely valid. I think the break, personally, has done Adams good. I also think now we are on a more positive front, coaching and initiatives will have more benefit and probably the confidence in the management more effectively as it is very difficult to get people to believe in your vision when things are not going right as any cult leader will tell you. Ask around, I think a few post on here!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB Fry View Post
    That Frankie and Benny's is going to be effing brilliant when it opens.
    As will be the super Casino by the pier!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkish View Post
    Hi Jordan. Do you collect Semmens dry cleaning now instead of Corteses?


    I hope the comment you quoted is Matt Crocker, Semmens or Sibley or someone at the club as a genuine, balanced fan from the terraces should understand opinion and fan discord at the very least. If you don’t understand that, then your opinion is of no interest Archangel. Is your name code for being a welder?
    Not you Turkish!

    We have only recently made a miraculous recovery and a brilliant change of form which, if you had read beyond the blinkers, I had commended the club for. We are still not clear of the woods and we still desperately need full backs. I am not alone in pining for that. It could make or break us. Look at what happened to Bournemouth with a series of injuries. That’s having foresight and a sense of realism as opposed to negativity and being pessimistic to suit a short sighted and alternative view.

    Every club in the Premier League have the same sort of reaction on the forums during transfer windows only not many clubs in the league make a profit year on year yet withhold transfer funds from the manager, stating he has to sell to be able to buy. Not many clubs put so much time and effort into sculpting social media but I guess you don’t need to when you actually give the club an adequate transfer budget and run the club competently and transparently. I do believe that we have a small transfer budget - or a war chest if you work for ‘Sensation Relations - Premier South Coast’ office. I do believe that we are doing something, just for the record. Contrary to our angel of dearth, I just believe it’s less than the dolts fantasise.

    Certain walks of the coaching staff at Saints have made remarkable progress over the last month but that doesn’t change my disatisfaction with the ownership and apparent underfunding. I don’t know much about the owners - who does - so I can only judge them by their actions and since they appear mute, disinterested and have neglected the club to the point of relegation, nor have the time or capacity to speak to the fans, they leave themselves open to criticism. They have panicked and sparked into action now but before then, our entire board were jollying in China while we were sleepwalking towards relegation. If the owners don’t like that, don’t buy an English Premier League club. I imagine the criticism is much worse in London.

    I will always criticise when criticism is due, especially where I perceive a divisive, dishonesty agenda misleading decent, honest people. If you believe I’m wrong or you don’t believe it, that’s your opinion. Simply ignore. Or attack that opinion if you’re more autocratic and controlling. Reading the subtext of our club sycophant, you are assuming I know nothing about the club, I know no-one within the club and I don’t have any contact within football. I know nothing about you, don’t need nor want to but I won’t make any assumptions. I will speak openly and freely.

    I like talking about Saints related matters, especially in transfer windows. Harsh club criticisms are no big deal to any fan so I question those who get so upset by scary adjectives. Skip past them as I do to boring people in a pub or on here. Go chat to a different group who are inherently more interesting and amusing.

    Some items I mention have a negative slur but I’m just reacting to the media spin which emanates from somewhere. It seems certain ‘groups’ don’t like that and a small array of posters try to attack that view but, it’s a football fan message forum. You really shouldn’t be that bothered as you have surely suffered in the stands and would understand frustration. If you sat in the stands two months back and listened to those fickle views, you’d realise any forum views are Child’s play in comparison.

    If you don’t like club criticism, perhaps you have a different agenda and you’re trying to influence opinion rather than engage it. I’m not concerned but, I don’t like to make assumptions about fans/people I don’t know but the club is a different matter.

    I’m hopeful we are doing at least something to bring in one or two defenders and I’m content with that. I have a cynical side based on the last three or more transfer windows and that’s totally fair enough.

    Seems the club or a small selection of fans do not like alternative or dissenting voices and that is their prerogative. We still just about live in a democracy so we have free speech (apparently) and fans can, thankfully, freely rant and criticise. Accept it or don’t read it and go elsewhere. No one is forcing you to read all the comments nor respond. People can always go to reading the tabloids, scripts or doing sudoku. In this country we still have the wonderful freedom of choice...just.

    If you don’t remember (with your short and biased memory) we were heading - under Pellegrino - to the championship and our entire board (Ralph K, Les, Kat, the Gao’s, etc.) went on a jolly to China while we were careering towards the Championship. That abject neglect to the club sticks in my mind and if that doesn’t deserve criticism in your world, I don’t know what does. Everyone has different standards of what they will accept from a football club. I didn’t want to bring up past failings of our board and give the minions more fuel to post critiques of a negative mindset on my part but until our board do something worthy of praise, then they will only be judged as good as their last game. No pun intended.

    I’ve no idea who is responsible for our change in fortune defensively (which I have posted on more than one occasion) so I can’t compliment the board and I am reticent to do so until I have evidence that they have done something positive that correlates directly to them. I believe the owners and the football club operate on a totally different platform. Respect is a 2 way road.

    I will never mind fans criticising a football club, nor should you.

    I don’t think it’s angelic being condescending or dismayed by fan opinion or disparaging criticisms of a football club. Especially a club with a chairman who has not fulfilled his initial misrepresentation & one whom has never engaged fans nor invested a penny. Actions like that deserve every ounce of criticism and those criticising those criticisms are even more questionable with their defensive manner and their agenda focusing so vehemently on people rather than the club as an entity.

    We were (and essentially still are) in a third successive relegation battle and do desperately need to sign a defender or 2. Anyone who believes that no content whatsoever or no rumour has been made by the club to the press to engineer expectations is an utter idiot.

    Perhaps you should read the following article and educate yourself rather than wind yourself up on football forums

    https://www.thesunmagazine.org/issue...mass-deception

    For the record, I don’t mean to type as much and digress. I much prefer the interesting stuff, transfer talk but, at Saints, not much has happened but as long as there are misguided criticisms & barbed comments aimed at me, I’ll defend my view.

    Apologies for the overly long response...again. (for the record, I get criticised for off topic comments by the board bigots which aren’t off topic while a debate trundles along about how far a player lives from the ground). I actually find it quite funny but I’m just making a point. This is what a forum should be like, random and varied and sometimes irrelevant but with people getting involved.

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    I hope the comment you quoted is Matt Crocker, Semmens or Sibley or someone at the club as a genuine, balanced fan from the terraces should understand opinion and fan discord at the very least. If you don’t understand that, then your opinion is of no interest Archangel. Is your name code for being a welder?
    Not you Turkish!

    We have only recently made a miraculous recovery and a brilliant change of form which, if you had read beyond the blinkers, I had commended the club for. We are still not clear of the woods and we still desperately need full backs. I am not alone in pining for that. It could make or break us. Look at what happened to Bournemouth with a series of injuries. That’s having foresight and a sense of realism as opposed to negativity and being pessimistic to suit a short sighted and alternative view.

    Every club in the Premier League have the same sort of reaction on the forums during transfer windows only not many clubs in the league make a profit year on year yet withhold transfer funds from the manager, stating he has to sell to be able to buy. Not many clubs put so much time and effort into sculpting social media but I guess you don’t need to when you actually give the club an adequate transfer budget and run the club competently and transparently. I do believe that we have a small transfer budget - or a war chest if you work for ‘Sensation Relations - Premier South Coast’ office. I do believe that we are doing something, just for the record. Contrary to our angel of dearth, I just believe it’s less than the dolts fantasise.

    Certain walks of the coaching staff at Saints have made remarkable progress over the last month but that doesn’t change my disatisfaction with the ownership and apparent underfunding. I don’t know much about the owners - who does - so I can only judge them by their actions and since they appear mute, disinterested and have neglected the club to the point of relegation, nor have the time or capacity to speak to the fans, they leave themselves open to criticism. They have panicked and sparked into action now but before then, our entire board were jollying in China while we were sleepwalking towards relegation. If the owners don’t like that, don’t buy an English Premier League club. I imagine the criticism is much worse in London.

    I will always criticise when criticism is due, especially where I perceive a divisive, dishonesty agenda misleading decent, honest people. If you believe I’m wrong or you don’t believe it, that’s your opinion. Simply ignore. Or attack that opinion if you’re more autocratic and controlling. Reading the subtext of our club sycophant, you are assuming I know nothing about the club, I know no-one within the club and I don’t have any contact within football. I know nothing about you, don’t need nor want to but I won’t make any assumptions. I will speak openly and freely.

    I like talking about Saints related matters, especially in transfer windows. Harsh club criticisms are no big deal to any fan so I question those who get so upset by scary adjectives. Skip past them as I do to boring people in a pub or on here. Go chat to a different group who are inherently more interesting and amusing.

    Some items I mention have a negative slur but I’m just reacting to the media spin which emanates from somewhere. It seems certain ‘groups’ don’t like that and a small array of posters try to attack that view but, it’s a football fan message forum. You really shouldn’t be that bothered as you have surely suffered in the stands and would understand frustration. If you sat in the stands two months back and listened to those fickle views, you’d realise any forum views are Child’s play in comparison.

    If you don’t like club criticism, perhaps you have a different agenda and you’re trying to influence opinion rather than engage it. I’m not concerned but, I don’t like to make assumptions about fans/people I don’t know but the club is a different matter.

    I’m hopeful we are doing at least something to bring in one or two defenders and I’m content with that. I have a cynical side based on the last three or more transfer windows and that’s totally fair enough.

    Seems the club or a small selection of fans do not like alternative or dissenting voices and that is their prerogative. We still just about live in a democracy so we have free speech (apparently) and fans can, thankfully, freely rant and criticise. Accept it or don’t read it and go elsewhere. No one is forcing you to read all the comments nor respond. People can always go to reading the tabloids, scripts or doing sudoku. In this country we still have the wonderful freedom of choice...just.

    If you don’t remember (with your short and biased memory) we were heading - under Pellegrino - to the championship and our entire board (Ralph K, Les, Kat, the Gao’s, etc.) went on a jolly to China while we were careering towards the Championship. That abject neglect to the club sticks in my mind and if that doesn’t deserve criticism in your world, I don’t know what does. Everyone has different standards of what they will accept from a football club. I didn’t want to bring up past failings of our board and give the minions more fuel to post critiques of a negative mindset on my part but until our board do something worthy of praise, then they will only be judged as good as their last game. No pun intended.

    I’ve no idea who is responsible for our change in fortune defensively (which I have posted on more than one occasion) so I can’t compliment the board and I am reticent to do so until I have evidence that they have done something positive that correlates directly to them. I believe the owners and the football club operate on a totally different platform. Respect is a 2 way road.

    I will never mind fans criticising a football club, nor should you.

    I don’t think it’s angelic being condescending or dismayed by fan opinion or disparaging criticisms of a football club. Especially a club with a chairman who has not fulfilled his initial misrepresentation & one whom has never engaged fans nor invested a penny. Actions like that deserve every ounce of criticism and those criticising those criticisms are even more questionable with their defensive manner and their agenda focusing so vehemently on people rather than the club as an entity.

    We were (and essentially still are) in a third successive relegation battle and do desperately need to sign a defender or 2. Anyone who believes that no content whatsoever or no rumour has been made by the club to the press to engineer expectations is an utter idiot.

    Perhaps you should read the following article and educate yourself rather than wind yourself up on football forums

    https://www.thesunmagazine.org/issue...mass-deception

    For the record, I don’t mean to type as much and digress. I much prefer the interesting stuff, transfer talk but, at Saints, not much has happened but as long as there are misguided criticisms & barbed comments aimed at me, I’ll defend my view.

    Apologies for the overly long response...again. (for the record, I get criticised for off topic comments by the board bigots which aren’t off topic while a debate trundles along about how far a player lives from the ground). I actually find it quite funny but I’m just making a point. This is what a forum should be like, random and varied and sometimes irrelevant but with people getting involved.
    I am not a health professional but as a matter of interest.... how many alcohol units do you think that you consume each week??

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    Adams to Leeds sounds like itís on. Stupid move by the club. Just when heís looking good. What if Ings gets crocked? Idiots.
    From twitter ex-agent Jimmy McCann:

    Leeds main target remains to be Che Adams. They have back ups but everything points to Adams. All that is left to discuss is the obligation to buy. Leeds want it to be optional. Southampton want obligation. Che wants the move. expect this move to happen this window


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    What possible reason would we have to loan out Adams with an option to buy? Loaning him out anyway is mad.

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    Theyíre also talking about one million loan fee and £10m buy. If that happens we have lost our minds


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    Quote Originally Posted by DT View Post
    Theyíre also talking about one million loan fee and £10m buy. If that happens we have lost our minds


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    He has scored zero goals.

    I can see why the club would entertain it, if (big if) it meant getting someone else who is better for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    He has scored zero goals.

    I can see why the club would entertain it, if (big if) it meant getting someone else who is better for us.
    But knowing saints it will be loaning out Adams with no replacement and then ings will get injured in February.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    He has scored zero goals.

    I can see why the club would entertain it, if (big if) it meant getting someone else who is better for us.
    He needs the run in the team heíll get when Ings gets injured. And he made the Leicester winner by the way. Plus was good against Chelsea. Patience is required and this one would backfire.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DT View Post
    Adams to Leeds sounds like itís on. Stupid move by the club. Just when heís looking good. What if Ings gets crocked? Idiots.
    From twitter ex-agent Jimmy McCann:

    Leeds main target remains to be Che Adams. They have back ups but everything points to Adams. All that is left to discuss is the obligation to buy. Leeds want it to be optional. Southampton want obligation. Che wants the move. expect this move to happen this window


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    Nuts if true. Obefami is not ready to be back up yet, and is injury prone. Adams is our best back up and to move him on is madness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DT View Post
    Adams to Leeds sounds like it’s on. Stupid move by the club. Just when he’s looking good. What if Ings gets crocked? Idiots.
    From twitter ex-agent Jimmy McCann:

    Leeds main target remains to be Che Adams. They have back ups but everything points to Adams. All that is left to discuss is the obligation to buy. Leeds want it to be optional. Southampton want obligation. Che wants the move. expect this move to happen this window


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    If we get in a quality fast striker then it makes lots of sense.
    Must admit Adams is starting to look good now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    What possible reason would we have to loan out Adams with an option to buy? Loaning him out anyway is mad.
    It only would make any sense if we have already decided he's not good enough and are buying a replacement.

    If there is truth that the club want to sell him against the managers wishes, it's really time for Ralph to stand up and insist Adams doesn't leave before a replacement that Ralph approves is signed. Otherwise we would all know what would happen here!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Pete View Post
    It only would make any sense if we have already decided he's not good enough and are buying a replacement.

    If there is truth that the club want to sell him against the managers wishes, it's really time for Ralph to stand up and insist Adams doesn't leave before a replacement that Ralph approves is signed. Otherwise we would all know what would happen here!

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    Bloody club. Even in relative good times the noises of conflict are not good. Don't pee Ralph off now, after all the good work

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    Quote Originally Posted by DT View Post
    Adams to Leeds sounds like it’s on. Stupid move by the club. Just when he’s looking good. What if Ings gets crocked? Idiots.
    From twitter ex-agent Jimmy McCann:

    Leeds main target remains to be Che Adams. They have back ups but everything points to Adams. All that is left to discuss is the obligation to buy. Leeds want it to be optional. Southampton want obligation. Che wants the move. expect this move to happen this window


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    If Che isnt up for the challenge and wants to go, then let him. Would be disappointing if he isnt willing to put the graft in to make himself a success at a PL club. However, only let him go after a replacement has been secured because we're an injury to Ings away to being left with a championship strike force

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    He's not going anywhere as Ralph recently stated.

    “I wouldn’t consider loaning him out, I need every player, especially in an attacking position as we don’t have many,” said Hasenhuttl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DT View Post
    Adams to Leeds sounds like it’s on. Stupid move by the club. Just when he’s looking good. What if Ings gets crocked? Idiots.
    From twitter ex-agent Jimmy McCann:

    Leeds main target remains to be Che Adams. They have back ups but everything points to Adams. All that is left to discuss is the obligation to buy. Leeds want it to be optional. Southampton want obligation. Che wants the move. expect this move to happen this window


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    Seems silly but we clearly need money in order to do other things so its priorities. I wouldn't give up on him, i mean Ings was rubbish most last season, it happens. Adams has the attributes to come good and I can't say I'd want to rely on Obafemi and Long as the only other options. I guess he's including Redmond as a striker option too, but it's risky.

    But it's all still the impact of wasting so much in fees and wages on flops, players and managers alike. So frustrating but we just need to avoid doing it again and finally ship out carillo, lemina etc for good.

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