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    Default Immediate future- where does this leave us?

    With the Valery horror show and Bertrand red card where does this leave us for the next few games? Players out of position again? Surely we canít chuck young players in as it could destroy them too? We have average midfielders, poor defenders and uninspiring attackers. Iíd put McCarthy in, Armstrong, Long but not sure who else. I canít pick a team or formation.

    I canít really see many changes that can be made. The players are bad but not THAT bad or it would happen every week. It looked like the players werenít playing for the manager. The tactics seem to difficult for the players to implement. We keep leaving ourselves exposed. Iím not sure Ralph can stop the rot when he slates players in public and then requires them a few weeks later.

    When he arrived he was more Klopp with energy and enthusiasm. Now he is Mourinho: angry, miserable and seemingly falling out with players and potentially staff. I donít know why this has happened.

    Ultimately I blame Les Reed for overseeing this drastic decline which will take years to sort out.

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    Id stick with Gunn as none of the goals were directly his fault. Would be good if Djenepo was back to be honest. My team now has to be

    Gunn

    Cedric vest bednarek yoshida danso

    Romeu Hoj

    Djenepo ings redmond

    As those are the only options we really have. We don't have another cm or lb to drop our major underperformers and I think that cb arrangement is best for us

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    Quote Originally Posted by TWar View Post
    Id stick with Gunn as none of the goals were directly his fault. Would be good if Djenepo was back to be honest. My team now has to be

    Gunn

    Cedric vest bednarek yoshida danso

    Romeu Hoj

    Djenepo ings redmond

    As those are the only options we really have. We don't have another cm or lb to drop our major underperformers and I think that cb arrangement is best for us

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    The first goal was Gunnís fault. Heads dropped when that went In. Heís poor and has been all season. Time for a change.

    I honestly donít know the answer at CB. We played all 5 of them last night and still shipped 9.

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    I’d argue we need to ditch 5 at the back, win the midfield a bit more often and keep the ball further up the pitch. Can’t see any upturn in the Man City games regardless of what he does next week.

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    My ideal solution would be for Kat to take Gao to court and regain 100% ownership of Southampton. As a gesture to fans and loyal supporters admit things didn't work and stick 100 million of her own cash into a kitty to stable the ship. Hire new coaches and a director of football. Keep Ralph but it's time to cut the rotten apples and played power from the club..... Time for the overpaid egos to go.

    Then find a long term investor who actually wants to take us forward.

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    Gunn is shocking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKD View Post
    The first goal was Gunn’s fault. Heads dropped when that went In. He’s poor and has been all season. Time for a change.

    I honestly don’t know the answer at CB. We played all 5 of them last night and still shipped 9.
    The first goal was the whole teams fault. Ings had the ball on the halfway line but due to a complete lack of invention from anyone in the team, himself included, he ended up playing a hospital ball straight back to a marked player in our own third. Bertrand gave the ball away (getting himself sent off in the process), then nobody marks anyone properly and despite the 5 at the back that was supposed to cover our defensive frailties, Chilwell is basically unmarked in acres of space on the right.

    Gunn's mishandling, whilst clearly another poor error, is simply scape-goating a wretched team performance, even at 0-0 with 11 men.

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    It’s not scapegoating him on one performance though. He’s been consistently poor. Ralph even commented that he should’ve saved some shots over the last few games and then sticks with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saints-til-i-die View Post
    It’s not scapegoating him on one performance though. He’s been consistently poor. Ralph even commented that he should’ve saved some shots over the last few games and then sticks with him.
    I'm not denying he has been poor but the statement, "The first goal was Gunn's fault," isn't true. It was the whole team, going from our possession on the halfway line to two unchallenged shots against us, in the space of ten seconds.

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    Indeed. A horror show.

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    Things I take solace from:
    1. We have more points then at this stage last year.
    2. Our away form is ok.
    3. In theory, our squad is stronger then this time last year.... In theory.
    4. Moussa Djenepo
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    Quote Originally Posted by TWar View Post
    Id stick with Gunn as none of the goals were directly his fault. Would be good if Djenepo was back to be honest. My team now has to be

    Gunn

    Cedric vest bednarek yoshida danso

    Romeu Hoj

    Djenepo ings redmond

    As those are the only options we really have. We don't have another cm or lb to drop our major underperformers and I think that cb arrangement is best for us

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    Wasnít it Ralph himself who said we need a small squad?
    Whether we believe the alternatives are not as good our perseverance with certain current first teamers including the captain is proving to be a disaster.
    Ralph always seems blind to the needs of the team and prefers his obstinate personality driven methods which never work in any work environment.
    Ralph seems to have so many Ďissuesí going on with players that he is digging a big hole for himself with credibility in his squad and with fans and results he cannot be allowed to continue, the **** pile he has managed to construct is now too big.

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    Lolz none of the goals were Gunns fault. The bloke didnít even put his arms out for Maddisonís free kick.

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    The first goal is certainly partly Gunns fault. One of the first things you learn is if you can't hold the ball, the next best thing is to push the ball behind where your defense can reset. The reason also why he must be seriously attributed with the goal is he did the same thing against Wolves last week and luckily got away with it with an offside in the build up. I like playing young players, but a key component is learning from your mistakes and improving. I don't think he is improving at all. If he came from Liberia or another country not known for goalkeepers, people would be far tougher on him. But that De Gea stubble is making him 'appear' more of a goalkeeper. He has to go back to number 2 for a while and learn from this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ally_uk View Post
    My ideal solution would be for Kat to take Gao to court and regain 100% ownership of Southampton. As a gesture to fans and loyal supporters admit things didn't work and stick 100 million of her own cash into a kitty to stable the ship. Hire new coaches and a director of football. Keep Ralph but it's time to cut the rotten apples and played power from the club..... Time for the overpaid egos to go.

    Then find a long term investor who actually wants to take us forward.
    That's more ridiculous than last nights scoreline.

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    Gunn has had faults this season but I don't think it's fair to put last night on him. He was left completely exposed. Just watched it again and almost all of the goals came with no pressure on the ball. It was like a training ground shooting exercise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ally_uk View Post
    My ideal solution would be for Kat to take Gao to court and regain 100% ownership of Southampton. As a gesture to fans and loyal supporters admit things didn't work and stick 100 million of her own cash into a kitty to stable the ship. Hire new coaches and a director of football. Keep Ralph but it's time to cut the rotten apples and played power from the club..... Time for the overpaid egos to go.

    Then find a long term investor who actually wants to take us forward.
    Why would your ideal solution to go back to having Kat in charge. She got us into this mess in the first place. Odd.

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    I cant blame Gunn for all bar one of the goals

    He stood one side of the goal for Maddisons free kick and it was inevitable that the free kick was directed to the open area of the goal

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    Quote Originally Posted by saints-til-i-die View Post
    Gunn is shocking.
    Must be the only keeper where the shots straight at him still go in.

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    How could anyone still keep Gunn?

    He just shipped 9 ****ing goals, he needs to get the **** out of this side for the foreseable. McCarthy didn't ever do anything wrong if we're honest.

    But apart from that, we're still forced to select **** as that's all we have.

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    I would say that we are now due to drop down. We have a poor squad, no particular character or identity as a club, no great players coming through, no money. There must be better, more interesting clubs who could replace us and be better for football.

    I don't know much about football, but I don't see much potential in what we have. Surely changing this will take years and will be done in a lower division? Am I being over-dramatic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by norwaysaint View Post
    I would say that we are now due to drop down. We have a poor squad, no particular character or identity as a club, no great players coming through, no money. There must be better, more interesting clubs who could replace us and be better for football.

    I don't know much about football, but I don't see much potential in what we have. Surely changing this will take years and will be done in a lower division? Am I being over-dramatic?
    You are quite correct IMO.
    We have become a complete irrelevance in this league. We certainly will not be missed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S-Clarke View Post
    How could anyone still keep Gunn?

    He just shipped 9 ****ing goals, he needs to get the **** out of this side for the foreseable. McCarthy didn't ever do anything wrong if we're honest.

    But apart from that, we're still forced to select **** as that's all we have.
    The manager wanted a small squad to work with. Well he’s got it. Problem is it’s a small squad with limited ability. Take the full backs, if Cedric is out for another week and with Bertrand suspended who the **** plays right and left back next week? Not Valery after last night surely? But who else is there ?

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    Southampton manager Ralph HasenhŁttl has full backing of club board & majority owner Gao Jisheng. Staff told morning after 9-0 record PL defeat to LCFC that changes coming but that will not involve manager. More soon @TeleFootball


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    Quote Originally Posted by ally_uk View Post
    My ideal solution would be for Kat to take Gao to court and regain 100% ownership of Southampton. As a gesture to fans and loyal supporters admit things didn't work and stick 100 million of her own cash into a kitty to stable the ship. Hire new coaches and a director of football. Keep Ralph but it's time to cut the rotten apples and player power from the club..... Time for the overpaid egos to go.

    Then find a long term investor who actually wants to take us forward.
    That would be a great To Do List, if only it could happen like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S-Clarke View Post
    How could anyone still keep Gunn?

    He just shipped 9 ****ing goals, he needs to get the **** out of this side for the foreseable. McCarthy didn't ever do anything wrong if we're honest.

    But apart from that, we're still forced to select **** as that's all we have.
    McCarthy did plenty wrong, his positioning is woeful and he'd be one of the weakest no 1s in the league. BUT, he is a lot better than Gunn right now. Gunn needs a break, he looks completely broken and can't completely blame him after the defences he's had in front of him.

    Probably is, McCarthy could easily concede 9+ combined over the next 2 games v City.

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