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    Going to kill us all?

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    Too much fizzy pop ?

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    Won't kill us all but it's spread too far to stop it and takes too long for symptoms to appear for people to know they have it before they've spread it to multiple people.

    I think this will affect the Euros and the Olympics. Either moved or postponed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by igsey View Post
    Won't kill us all but it's spread too far to stop it and takes too long for symptoms to appear for people to know they have it before they've spread it to multiple people.

    I think this will affect the Euros and the Olympics. Either moved or postponed.
    Rugby Union Six Nations Italy fixtures possibly cancelled or change venue.

    Cheltenham Festival also rumoured as under threat.

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    Updated corona advice for business has been released overnight to certain public bodies. Would expect it to be released to wider public in due course.

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    Two people wearing face masks in my local supermarket yesterday. You can’t be too careful!

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    When they say mild symptoms are these so mild you can still go to work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by whelk View Post
    When they say mild symptoms are these so mild you can still go to work?
    Latest advice can be found here:-

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/wuhan-no...for-the-public

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    I see that old leftie twt Jon Snow is self isolating. Shame it isnít 2 years as opposed to 2 weeks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    Two people wearing face masks in my local supermarket yesterday. You can’t be too careful!
    Perhaps they were on the way to Portsmouth?

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    Apparently the masks are no good to stop you getting it unless you have a full face mask including your eyes that the virus can get into you through

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    I think Nostradamus predicted for the West to bware of the pigs from the east. This was taken that it was pilots wearing their masks in jets/bombers, perhaos it was the virus threat

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    I see that old leftie twt Jon Snow is self isolating. Shame it isn’t 2 years as opposed to 2 weeks.
    He knows nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldNick View Post
    Apparently the masks are no good to stop you getting it unless you have a full face mask including your eyes that the virus can get into you through
    True. Skin provides an effective barrier to viruses and bacteria but cuts and mucous membranes (lips, bits, eyelids etc) don't. So if someone sneezes a tiny aerosol of spit can can easily get in your eye.

    In any event many people on the street are wearing particulate masks -okay for sanding your wooden floor but little effect against infections. Even then they have to fit properly. Many people have gaps at the sides around the nose - and air will always take the path of least resistance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buctootim View Post
    True. Skin provides an effective barrier to viruses and bacteria but cuts and mucous membranes (lips, bits, eyelids etc) don't. So if someone sneezes a tiny aerosol of spit can can easily get in your eye.

    In any event most people on the street wearing are particulate masks -okay for sanding your wooden floor but no effect against infections. Even then they have to fit properly. Many people have huge gaps at the sides around the nose - and air will always take the path of least resistance.
    It all seems mad, they had those people from the cruise in quarantine and you see them bussed away but the driver was breathing the air with no protection.
    It was just such a nonsense up here in Salisbury, they were taking an bus away to be cleansed and the driver said he had been driving for 2 weeks before they took it! As we live in a global world there is little chance of stopping the spread of viruses. We fly half the worlds press across to get a look at anything that interests and they jump back on aircrafts as soon as they have done their piece.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldNick View Post
    It all seems mad, they had those people from the cruise in quarantine and you see them bussed away but the driver was breathing the air with no protection.
    It was just such a nonsense up here in Salisbury, they were taking an bus away to be cleansed and the driver said he had been driving for 2 weeks before they took it! As we live in a global world there is little chance of stopping the spread of viruses. We fly half the worlds press across to get a look at anything that interests and they jump back on aircrafts as soon as they have done their piece.
    Totally agree. Yes its a new strain of flu virus but there are already nearly 200 and the death rate outside of Hunan (where they basically left people locked up and untreated) is lower than many existing strains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buctootim View Post
    Yes its a new strain of flu virus ........
    No it isn't. Coronaviruses are similar to influenza viruses in that they are RNA viruses, and the symptoms of infection are similar in many cases, but they are not related. Currently there is no vaccine for the CoV strain spreading around the world, and it may be 18 months before one is available - to that end some work is underway to see if a SARS vaccine, another Coronavirus infection, can be adapted to speed up the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badgerx16 View Post
    No it isn't. Coronaviruses are similar to influenza viruses in that they are RNA viruses, and the symptoms of infection are similar in many cases. Currently there is no vaccine for the CoV strain spreading around the world, and it may be 18 months before one is available - to that end some work is underway to see if a SARS vaccine, another Coronavirus infection, can be adapted to speed up the process.
    There are many Coronaviruses but COVID 19 is new in humans

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    Quote Originally Posted by buctootim View Post
    There are many Coronaviruses but COVID 19 is new in humans
    Correct, it is thought to have jumped species from bats. Other CoV viruses strains have transferred from birds, as does flu, but CoV strains are not influenza, their physical protein structure is different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badgerx16 View Post
    Correct, it is thought to have jumped species from bats. Other CoV viruses strains have transferred from birds, as does flu, but CoV strains are not influenza, their physical protein structure is different.
    And could well be being tested as a weapon

    *potentially*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delmary View Post
    Updated corona advice for business has been released overnight to certain public bodies. Would expect it to be released to wider public in due course.
    Doesn't really say much other than pretty much carry on as normal and await further details.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raging Bull View Post
    And could well be being tested as a weapon

    *potentially*
    By who?

    Who would want a weapon that gives the overwhelmingly majority of people a sore throat and a bit of a temperature, not exactly a game changer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weston Super Saint View Post
    By who?

    Who would want a weapon that gives the overwhelmingly majority of people a sore throat and a bit of a temperature, not exactly a game changer!
    You are aware it’s killing people and it’s quite likely it’s being vastly under reported by the Chinese government aren’t you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raging Bull View Post
    You are aware itís killing people and itís quite likely itís being vastly under reported by the Chinese government arenít you?
    Killing mainly the elderly and/or those already with serious health issues.
    You know, a bit like the flu does.

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    It's kind of strange that the Chinese have a virology lab, which studies bat related viruses, just round the corner from the Wuhan food market.

    There are thousands of live food markets in China, operating every day. Surely, this kind of virus would be more common, with over population and the close proximity of humans and wild animals?

    Interesting read:
    https://qz.com/1805422/wuhan-virolog...-conspiracies/

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedArmy View Post
    Killing mainly the elderly and/or those already with serious health issues.
    You know, a bit like the flu does.
    And if it carries on at its current trajectory it’ll kill an awful lot more than the flu currently does

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    Two people wearing face masks in my local supermarket yesterday. You can’t be too careful!
    I think they robbed the place just after you left!! A strange offshoot from the virus letting bank robbers etc mingle with the public without attracting undue attention!!

    This virus would have caused chaos at The DEn with the locals not knowing who were home or away fans!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raging Bull View Post
    And if it carries on at its current trajectory itíll kill an awful lot more than the flu currently does
    Flu kills over half a million people every winter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Bognor View Post
    It's kind of strange that the Chinese have a virology lab, which studies bat related viruses, just round the corner from the Wuhan food market.

    There are thousands of live food markets in China, operating every day. Surely, this kind of virus would be more common, with over population and the close proximity of humans and wild animals?

    Interesting read:
    https://qz.com/1805422/wuhan-virolog...-conspiracies/

    Imagine siting a bat virus lab where there are lots of bats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedArmy View Post
    Flu kills over half a million people every winter.
    And flu has a mortality rate of around 0.1%. So far Covid-19 is showing around 1.5-2% mortality rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by igsey View Post
    And flu has a mortality rate of around 0.1%. So far Covid-19 is showing around 1.5-2% mortality rate.
    Exactly. Plus it’s very likely the true figures are being fudged by the Chinese so that 1.5-2% is gonna be higher

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    And now the first cases of re-infection are occurring.

    Normally we build up resistance to a virus after having it.

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...id-19-11944295

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    Quote Originally Posted by igsey View Post
    And flu has a mortality rate of around 0.1%. So far Covid-19 is showing around 1.5-2% mortality rate.
    500,000 die "Globally" from the flu.

    A recent government study, looks at a potential scenario where 80% of the UK will get Coronavirus with potentially 500,000 deaths in the UK alone

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Bognor View Post
    500,000 die "Globally" from the flu.

    A recent government study, looks at a potential scenario where 80% of the UK will get Coronavirus with potentially 500,000 deaths in the UK alone
    Meh. The death rate in developed countries seems to be less than 1%. Nearly all deaths are associated with advanced age or other underlying health conditions like taking immuno-suppressants as the result of a transplant

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    Quote Originally Posted by buctootim View Post
    Meh. The death rate in developed countries seems to be less than 1%. Nearly all deaths are associated with advanced age or other underlying health conditions like taking immuno-suppressants as the result of a transplant
    And under 1’s.

    Mums carrying it can pass it on to unborn’s, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raging Bull View Post
    And under 1’s.

    Mums carrying it can pass it on to unborn’s, too.
    Yes, I’d not be getting up the duff any time this year, personally.

    It’ll be interesting what kind of impact this has on the HIV/AIDS population, particularly in sub-Saharan Africa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raging Bull View Post
    And under 1’s.

    Mums carrying it can pass it on to unborn’s, too.
    That's also true.

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    no one has said how long it lives on human skin and non human objects.
    So, if you have it, sneeze into your hand, how long before that virus residue on your hand goes (assuming you do not wash your hands afterwards).
    And if you open a door, infect the handle, then how long before that handle is safe again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post
    Yes, Iíd not be getting up the duff any time this year, personally.

    Itíll be interesting what kind of impact this has on the HIV/AIDS population, particularly in sub-Saharan Africa.
    Depends what combo of treatments they are taking. Some could be potential treatments for Coronavirus as they disrupted the RNA replication.

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    Quote Originally Posted by igsey View Post
    And flu has a mortality rate of around 0.1%. So far Covid-19 is showing around 1.5-2% mortality rate.
    Not exactly a 'potent' weapon then! Back to the drawing board methinks!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctoroncall View Post
    Depends what combo of treatments they are taking. Some could be potential treatments for Coronavirus as they disrupted the RNA replication.
    Here’s hoping warmer weather has an affect

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    Quote Originally Posted by buctootim View Post
    Meh. The death rate in developed countries seems to be less than 1%. Nearly all deaths are associated with advanced age or other underlying health conditions like taking immuno-suppressants as the result of a transplant

    The government is reportedly contacting local councils for what is known as 'Excess Death Contingency Planning' in the event of a worst case scenario relating to the spread of coronavirus. The planning, which is thought to include discussions with local authorities about potential new large burial sites, is thought to be standard practice when an outbreak of such a virus is taking place

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post
    It’ll be interesting what kind of impact this has on the HIV/AIDS population, particularly in sub-Saharan Africa.
    100,000 get coronavirus and everyone wants to wear a mask. 30 million have AIDS and no one wants to wear a condom

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    People having a cough and runny nose in winter. Whatever next.

    I’ve got the same, must have corona virus. RIP me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noodles34 View Post
    no one has said how long it lives on human skin and non human objects.
    So, if you have it, sneeze into your hand, how long before that virus residue on your hand goes (assuming you do not wash your hands afterwards).
    The current advice is to cough / sneeze into your elbow or shoulder.
    In regards to persistence...

    The analysis of 22 studies reveals that human coronaviruses such as Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) coronavirus, Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) coronavirus or endemic human coronaviruses (HCoV) can persist on inanimate surfaces like metal, glass or plastic for up to 9 days, but can be efficiently inactivated by surface disinfection procedures with 62–71% ethanol, 0.5% hydrogen peroxide or 0.1% sodium hypochlorite within 1 minute. Other biocidal agents such as 0.05–0.2% benzalkonium chloride or 0.02% chlorhexidine digluconate are less effective.
    https://www.journalofhospitalinfecti...046-3/fulltext

    Quote Originally Posted by RedArmy View Post
    People having a cough and runny nose in winter. Whatever next.

    I’ve got the same, must have corona virus. RIP me.
    What exactly is your point here? Yes the media have gone to town, but are you suggesting that a virus with 20x the mortality rate of standard flu should be ignored because its symptoms are 'a bit like flu'?
    Last edited by Plastic; 27-02-2020 at 02:17 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedArmy View Post
    People having a cough and runny nose in winter. Whatever next.

    I’ve got the same, must have corona virus. RIP me.
    You ok sweet pea? I’m worried about you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raging Bull View Post
    Hereís hoping warmer weather has an affect
    The trouble is nobody knew about this virus two months ago, it was entirely unknown.

    Only now are results from studies coming out:
    severity increases with age,
    81% of known infections can be classified as mild and
    2.3% result in death.

    Viral shedding studies should tells us about the condition of a person in spreading the virus (no symptoms to severe). Duration of incubation period between infection and symptoms is unknown - that will help define quarantine time.

    Learning lessons from Ebola, SARS, MERS and avian flu there is more concerted effort to be better prepared- two weeks ago only SA and Senegal in Africa had labs that could test for the virus, now 27 countries have the test kits and are using them.

    All info from The Lancet - Scientists are sprinting to outpace the novel Coronavirus if anyone is interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plastic View Post
    The current advice is to cough / sneeze into your elbow or shoulder.
    In regards to persistence...


    https://www.journalofhospitalinfecti...046-3/fulltext



    What exactly is your point here? Yes the media have gone to town, but are you suggesting that a virus with 20x the mortality rate of standard flu should be ignored because its symptoms are 'a bit like flu'?
    No it hasnít. And outside of Wuhan itís actually very similar to the flu rate. SARS had a mortality rate of 10%, if social media had been such a big part of everyday life back then the overreacting would have probably been even worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raging Bull View Post
    You ok sweet pea? I’m worried about you!
    You worry about everything by the looks of it.

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