NickG Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 (edited) Solent just said they spoke with MLT last night and; Wotte will remain manager whilst takeover talks continue KK remains first choice their lawyers are very confident the 10 point deduction should be recinded hence the FL asking them to withdraw right to appeal Edited 22 June, 2009 by NickG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Bob Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Solent just said they spoke with MLT last night and; Wotte will remain manager whiltst takeover talks continue KK remains first choice their lawyers are very confident the 10 point deduction should be recinded hence the FL asking them to withdraw right to appeal Sounds far too good to be true to me. We are Saints after all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 22 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 22 June, 2009 true. I would be happy with MLT takeover happening on its own - more than we could have hoped for 6 months ago. Top manager and 10 points would be a bous tho! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 I thought Matt said KK wasn't his first choice!! Also, if they go for the 10 points rescinded jugular, I think we are in for a long week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITKSaint Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 +1 on KK. That's a confusing (but good!) remark if it came direct from MLT and not from Solent?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 22 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 22 June, 2009 It was something along the lines of we spoke to MLT last night to clarify the manager situation and.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 So MLT's manager preferences : 1- Nigel Pearson - not going to happen 2- Kevin Keegan - would be great but unlikly 3- A N Other - odds on favorite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 22 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 22 June, 2009 NP has only been in mirror I have heard from Solent, Echo and someone within club that candidates are KK and a n other, Solent saying KK first,the other two saying he is 2nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 I'd rather not have KK, it would be a great appointment but surely we should be looking for an up and coming bright young talent. KK is one of our Hero's but i fear he has lost the passion he once had, he may be good for a season but he will no doubt walk and leave us in the lurch, give us someone with a hunger, a determination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 22 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Nothing on 8:00 bulletin as I type this it is 7.57! someone is mischief making! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 make sure you listen to 8am bulletin then Nick lol!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 I can't understand these silly games that are going on with KK, Are they trying to big up the pinnacle bid to put pressure on the FL? Also I heard we have the FL by the goolies after another loop hole which we found which means the FL have no choice to back down on our ten points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Solent just said they spoke with MLT last night and; Wotte will remain manager whilst takeover talks continue KK remains first choice their lawyers are very confident the 10 point deduction should be recinded hence the FL asking them to withdraw right to appeal So Wotte for one more day then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 So MLT's manager preferences : 1- Nigel Pearson - not going to happen 2- Kevin Keegan - would be great but unlikly 3- A N Other - odds on favorite Why do you think it is unlikely? We are quite possibly the only team that Keegan would consider managing if he did fancy another pop at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegaffer Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 as I type this it is 7.57! someone is mischief making! No mischief making Nick. Solents sports bulletin was at 7:55 Just the mention of the FL meeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 22 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Their main sports news session, at 7.20 discussed it. I am off to work now - but suggest you try the 8.20 - I will! Last post until late afternoon - doubt there will be news today tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slymush Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Exclusive with MLT top of the hour SSN... saying everything we already know looking at a laptop... says that if the FL can work out 'the issues' MLT will be at his desk within hours... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killers Knee Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 I can't understand these silly games that are going on with KK, Are they trying to big up the pinnacle bid to put pressure on the FL? Also I heard we have the FL by the goolies after another loop hole which we found which means the FL have no choice to back down on our ten points. You Sir, are spot on IMO. Extra KK publicity draws the press column inches to our aid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 22 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 22 June, 2009 8.20 bit on rumours that Crouch is heavily involved and paid the £500,00 deposit but no real new news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 22 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 22 June, 2009 and I'm late now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Alls fair in Love and fighting for your clubs life - the important thing now is the max out the publicity and win teh media propoganda battle that puts pressure on the FL so I think teh above is right and the by having KK linked we keep on the back pages. From a purely independent perspective, I am sure we probably need to accept our medicine, BUT thisis about the life of the club and whether the FL will continue to stand firm - the golden share as leverage in their determination to impose the penalty at the expense of seeing teh club go under or in the hands of Whacko! Jacko saying publically right now that they are ready to jump in is a nightmare - as it givesthe FL a way out.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 I'd rather not have KK, it would be a great appointment but surely we should be looking for an up and coming bright young talent. KK is one of our Hero's but i fear he has lost the passion he once had, he may be good for a season but he will no doubt walk and leave us in the lurch, give us someone with a hunger, a determination. I think you are all missing the point of appointing kk...... IMO he is in the frame purely to sell tickets,pinnacle are hoping his appointment will put bums on seats and get the place buzzing. He may only be here for a season but that will probably be enough to take us back to the championship especially if the crowd is behind him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Solent also indicated that they believe that Crouch was the one that paid the 500k non-refundable deposit. Has that ever been reported before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scally Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 8.20 bit on rumours that Crouch is heavily involved and paid the £500,00 deposit but no real new news This has got to be a major worry, if the guy who has all the money wasn't prepared to pay the 500K then how committed is he? Once again it seems the only person willing to put his money where his mouth is is Leon. So if the deal goes tits up the only loser is Leon Crouch, the mystery man walks away and we never know who he was and Crouch loses 500K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 was it not crouch who said publicly a few weeks back that slh and sfc were one of the same entity and in doing so sealed our fate re the ten point deduction? If the rumour about crouch being heavily involved how come we are apparently appealing the deduction given what he previously said. If you recall he made his comments at the time of thw tit for tat sniping between mw rl and lc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Exclusive with MLT top of the hour SSN... saying everything we already know looking at a laptop... says that if the FL can work out 'the issues' MLT will be at his desk within hours... God I hope you are right. Perhaps that should be "Le God". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 was it not crouch who said publicly a few weeks back that slh and sfc were one of the same entity and in doing so sealed our fate re the ten point deduction? I believe that what Crouch said was misinterpreted. We were set up in a way that should have avoided the 10 point deduction. There is no argument about that. But we weren't set up that way in order to avoid a penalty, that's just a side effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 This has got to be a major worry, if the guy who has all the money wasn't prepared to pay the 500K then how committed is he? Once again it seems the only person willing to put his money where his mouth is is Leon. So if the deal goes tits up the only loser is Leon Crouch, the mystery man walks away and we never know who he was and Crouch loses 500K. I had the impression that the Swiss who game in late were about to act. It wouldn't be surprising if Leon desperately wanted to be involved and this was his way of buying in. I had heard this some time ago but no verification. It may be a loan. If the Swiss had gained exclusivity, it would have been unlikely if he had been involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 was it not crouch who said publicly a few weeks back that slh and sfc were one of the same entity and in doing so sealed our fate re the ten point deduction? If the rumour about crouch being heavily involved how come we are apparently appealing the deduction given what he previously said. If you recall he made his comments at the time of thw tit for tat sniping between mw rl and lc NOt quite true... Crouch made a public gaff on 5Live when they had Mawhinney on line as well.... CRouch stated that the SLH was only set up to avoid a points deduction should we ever go into admin.... whic was factually inaccurate as well as pure stupid... BUT he has gifted/loaned cash to get us this far which is good, but i cant help but feel that this generosiy would ahve been beetter suited back in March whjich would ahve avoided admin in the first place and the -10 points? I know I will get slated for suggesting it, but I cant help think that Crouch although a fan, still acts in his own interests first and foremost - his way on ensuring he still has a seat at the table after his share loss.... NOw I would not normally ahve a problem with this if the consensus was that it shoudl apply in all cases, but it does not - self interest ahead of the club was one of the biggest criticisms of 'Lord Voldemort'... ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 I had the impression that the Swiss who game in late were about to act. It wouldn't be surprising if Leon desperately wanted to be involved and this was his way of buying in. I had heard this some time ago but no verification. It may be a loan. If the Swiss had gained exclusivity, it would have been unlikely if he had been involved. So are you suggesting Craouch only provided this money to the group who would let him in? Sorry could not resist ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 I believe that what Crouch said was misinterpreted. We were set up in a way that should have avoided the 10 point deduction. There is no argument about that. But we weren't set up that way in order to avoid a penalty, that's just a side effect. Spot on, 1997, long before the insolvency rules came in. Just coincidental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Wishing MLT and team good luck. COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 So are you suggesting Craouch only provided this money to the group who would let him in? Sorry could not resist ;-) :smt054 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 :smt054 I know I said it with tongue in cheek, and the fact Leon has provided cash at all is to his credit - afterall as many have pointed out he is the only one to do so, but surely if as saintly as some seem to suggest, he would have offered this to the group with the best cahnce of success long term and not the one potentially offering a boardroom seat...? No disrespect to him personanlay as I would probably do teh same having already lost 2 mil on shares, buut its more a criticism of those fans that are falling over themselves to love him for his selfless deeds.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 I think you are all missing the point of appointing kk...... IMO he is in the frame purely to sell tickets,pinnacle are hoping his appointment will put bums on seats and get the place buzzing. He may only be here for a season but that will probably be enough to take us back to the championship especially if the crowd is behind him. I would go along with that. The appointment would certainly galvanise the club. Something that is sorely needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 their lawyers are very confident the 10 point deduction should be recinded hence the FL asking them to withdraw right to appeal I'm smell Mawhinneys blood so go in for the kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 was it not crouch who said publicly a few weeks back that slh and sfc were one of the same entity and in doing so sealed our fate re the ten point deduction? If the rumour about crouch being heavily involved how come we are apparently appealing the deduction given what he previously said. If you recall he made his comments at the time of thw tit for tat sniping between mw rl and lc His interview was unclear but his comments were misconstrued IMO. In any case, they are not remotely relevant given that he wasn't involved with the club at the time or when the structure was put in place and further that the structure predated the League's insolvency rules by a good few years. I really wish people would let it go on this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 His interview was unclear but his comments were misconstrued IMO. In any case, they are not remotely relevant given that he wasn't involved with the club at the time or when the structure was put in place and further that the structure predated the League's insolvency rules by a good few years. I really wish people would let it go on this point. Agreed. I accept he'd have been better keeping his mouth shut, but what was said doesn't change the legalities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 I'm smell Mawhinneys blood so go in for the kill. I would love it if this made his position untenable and he was forced to offer his resignation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Leon Crouch's heart is obviously in the right place but he does have a dose of foot in mouth disease. If it is true that he is to get a place on the Board then I pray that they make sure he has a gagging order!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 I'd rather not have KK, it would be a great appointment but surely we should be looking for an up and coming bright young talent. KK is one of our Hero's but i fear he has lost the passion he once had, he may be good for a season but he will no doubt walk and leave us in the lurch, give us someone with a hunger, a determination. KK passion..You must be joking.....From a very good sawce..He was seen at St Marys this morning painting the white lines and putting the goal nets up...He obviously can't wait.:smt054 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Keegan would be great for us and it would be great to be able to understand a pre-match interview with our manager again. It hasn't happened since WGS! Since then trying to understand what was being said was made difficult firstly by double Scotch and then Double Dutch... On a side note. If the appeal thing is the main problem then what is to stop Pinnacle signing a piece of paper for the FL saying we will not appeal and then when the takeover goes through appealing anyway. Surely there is no way the signed paper the FL have will stand up in court as: a) It is illegal to force someone into not appeal a decision and b) The signed declaration was obtaine under duress which is also illegal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevvy Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 What time do the football league have their meeting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 What time do the football league have their meeting? Midday I believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 When the dust settles I think you may be about half right. My pure guess would be that there wasn't actually a closed down deal with a backer when they started. My guess is that their man was "sort of OK" but had not actually committed, and that the Pinnacle guys spent the first two weeks putting together all the real details of the business plan. Again. I would guess that they probably sent all that off to their man last week and the figures matched the "sales pitch" so they got the green light, so the rumours and speculation were probably technically correct - the money man wasn't nailed down, but he was "on board" With a go-ahead possibly being given only last weekend that would have left a great deal to be done in only 5 working days, hence the rush, the sudden leaks of Crouch & KK as manager, and the worries yesterday from the likes of Doggface that they may need an extension. I would expect that the discussions with Fry about getting any extension would have been a nightmare, probably because Fry would have expected them to be a bit further forwards, and he probably had a nagging fear that he could be left with the wage bill again next week. As I say, hopefully it's all sorted now and they can give us an update to get us away from the computers to at least get some lunch today! (And that is just analysis and an opinion and is as likely to be wrong as it is right) Reading that LC may have paid the deposit makes me wonder if DP was right when he posted the above on the 'who is he' thread , and that the 'moneyman' was not nailed on at the time when Pinnacle came forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Keegan would be great for us and it would be great to be able to understand a pre-match interview with our manager again. It hasn't happened since WGS! Since then trying to understand what was being said was made difficult firstly by double Scotch and then Double Dutch... On a side note. If the appeal thing is the main problem then what is to stop Pinnacle signing a piece of paper for the FL saying we will not appeal and then when the takeover goes through appealing anyway. Surely there is no way the signed paper the FL have will stand up in court as: a) It is illegal to force someone into not appeal a decision and b) The signed declaration was obtaine under duress which is also illegal You understood WGS???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 You understood WGS???? He sounded like a BBC newsreader when compared to George Barley..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Reading that LC may have paid the deposit makes me wonder if DP was right when he posted the above on the 'who is he' thread , and that the 'moneyman' was not nailed on at the time when Pinnacle came forward. nick I had another terrible dream last night....The money man was Jacko and he thought he had won the Euro Lottery and was not able to collect until today......Then again I was sleeping on a bed of ONIONS...:smt054 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 Keegan would be great for us and it would be great to be able to understand a pre-match interview with our manager again. It hasn't happened since WGS! Since then trying to understand what was being said was made difficult firstly by double Scotch and then Double Dutch... On a side note. If the appeal thing is the main problem then what is to stop Pinnacle signing a piece of paper for the FL saying we will not appeal and then when the takeover goes through appealing anyway. Surely there is no way the signed paper the FL have will stand up in court as: a) It is illegal to force someone into not appeal a decision and b) The signed declaration was obtaine under duress which is also illegal But this is exactly the Leeds situation. They signed the no appeal note, then started legal proceedings against the FL saying they'd only signed under duress. The FL backed down enough to allow the appeal ...which they then rejected! All the history shows that a single club never wins against the League. The reality is that, quite apart from that tory plonker Mawhinney, all the other clubs have a vested interest in us starting with the deduction. Any appeal to a panel of other club chairmen will fail, regardless of the legal niceties. Football clubs are like piranhas or a pack of wolves in a feeding frenzy; if one is injured the others turn on it and tear it apart. K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 22 June, 2009 Share Posted 22 June, 2009 nick I had another terrible dream last night....The money man was Jacko and he thought he had won the Euro Lottery and was not able to collect until today......Then again I was sleeping on a bed of ONIONS...:smt054 Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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