Where's my Favourite Skate?

[Guided Missile]

I believe you owe me a pint or two. Why not come with Tony tonight and buy me one? I have a feeling, if the Swiss don't close today, I'll need a drink or three...

 

Just to remind you.....

 

02-06-2009, 12:32 AM

 

A busy day running my business, plus a sneaky 9 holes of golf, meant I have only just caught up with the witty rejoinders on this thread. Grovelling is not my style, Neil, as you can well imagine, but I look forward to apologising for the post that must have started this:

15-05-2009, 09:48 AM

I have to admit that I am f***ing amazed and thankful that it appears that your Irish chum has rustled up a multi-millionaire that is willing, not only to buy an expensive new train set, but is also happy to let Lynam play with it. Eccentric millionaire actually doesn't come close to describing our potential new owner and I am looking forward to offering profuse apologies the day that the cheque for £15M is presented to Mark Fry.

 

No, I know it's not your style John, but I was in fact referring the following post from your "Don't Bother to Read the Echo Today" thread, and I quote....

 

No, that's right....it's probably HBOS. They were delighted to lend £1.37M to this bloke and given the success of his group of companies, can't wait to pile in for a few more quid. They are probably phoning round their mates, telling them what a financial genius he is at spotting an asset that will provide a good return. I bet none of them thought of a bankrupt Div 1 football club.

 

This site should be renamed the Gullible Dreamers Forum, so I think I'll take a break for a few days. I'm looking forward to return when Pinnacle bring in the multimillionaire investor, to post a grovelling apology.

 

Don't worry about the apology now though, nor indeed when the cheque is handed over. I'll settle for a pint or three sometime though. Mine's an HSB please :smile:

[Redondo Saint]

I believe you owe me a pint or two. Why not come with Tony tonight and buy me one? I have a feeling, if the Swiss don't close today, I'll need a drink or three...

 

Just to remind you.....

 

02-06-2009, 12:32 AM

 

I would prefer HSBC....

[NSS]

I believe you owe me a pint or two. Why not come with Tony tonight and buy me one? I have a feeling, if the Swiss don't close today, I'll need a drink or three...

 

Just to remind you.....

 

02-06-2009, 12:32 AM

 

 

Afternoon John

 

I'll gladly buy you a pint or three - when this is all settled. But the fat lady isn't singing just yet.

 

Frankly, I really hope that someone does step in and purchase the club, and that whoever does so has the best interests of the club at heart, as I firmly believe was the case with Tony/Pinnacle. As you know, this is one 'Skate' who bears no ill feeling toward Saints as a club, but I've seen some pretty diabolical stuff posted here in the last few days. I appreciate that you all love your club as much as I love mine, but I can only hope that, in time, sufficient detail of recent events will become public in order for the more rational among you to realise that TL/MLT were not the 'naive fantasists' (or worse) that many are now labelling them as.

 

You, and others on here, will surely make up your own minds, but I remain totally convinced that Tony Lynam was utterly sincere in his efforts to buy the club, that he did from the outset have the necessary and substantial financial backing in place to succeed, and that he has certainly not 'used' his friendship with MLT (as some have suggested).

 

Also, so far as I'm aware, whilst some of those on the 'fringe' may have varied during the course of the past two months, I understand that the source of the main financial backing for such a deal has remained constant.

 

Of course, there's still time for a few more twists before someone has the last laugh, so until then I'll keep my money in my wallet, thanks.

 

As I said, I hope someone does stomp up the cash to stop Saints from going out of existence but, as I told Tony last night, in a way I now hope that his group is not tempted back to the table as it strikes me that whoever does emerge as the new owners will have purchased a poisoned chalice.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Afternoon John

 

I'll gladly buy you a pint or three - when this is all settled. But the fat lady isn't singing just yet.

 

Frankly, I really hope that someone does step in and purchase the club, and that whoever does so has the best interests of the club at heart, as I firmly believe was the case with Tony/Pinnacle. As you know, this is one 'Skate' who bears no ill feeling toward Saints as a club, but I've seen some pretty diabolical stuff posted here in the last few days. I appreciate that you all love your club as much as I love mine, but I can only hope that, in time, sufficient detail of recent events will become public in order for the more rational among you to realise that TL/MLT were not the 'naive fantasists' (or worse) that many are now labelling them as.

 

You, and others on here, will surely make up your own minds, but I remain totally convinced that Tony Lynam was utterly sincere in his efforts to buy the club, that he did from the outset have the necessary and substantial financial backing in place to succeed, and that he has certainly not 'used' his friendship with MLT (as some have suggested).

 

Also, so far as I'm aware, whilst some of those on the 'fringe' may have varied during the course of the past two months, I understand that the source of the main financial backing for such a deal has remained constant.

 

Of course, there's still time for a few more twists before someone has the last laugh, so until then I'll keep my money in my wallet, thanks.

 

As I said, I hope someone does stomp up the cash to stop Saints from going out of existence but, as I told Tony last night, in a way I now hope that his group is not tempted back to the table as it strikes me that whoever does emerge as the new owners will have purchased a poisoned chalice.

 

NSS, please confirm if you play golf regularly.

[Weston Super Saint]

Afternoon John

 

I'll gladly buy you a pint or three - when this is all settled. But the fat lady isn't singing just yet..

 

Sadly she has.

 

That noise you hear is her in the middle of her death throes

[OldNick]

As you know, this is one 'Skate' who bears no ill feeling toward Saints as a club,

.

 

as I told Tony last night, in a way I now hope that his group is not tempted back to the table as it strikes me that whoever does emerge as the new owners will have purchased a poisoned chalice.

In your heart of hearts Im not sure you really are sincere with the first bit and will quite like us to go under.

TL has not told us the reasons why he did not go forward. He has nothing to lose now if he did.He will always be seen as (perhaps unfairly) the person who not only wasted the clubs time (which is of course very limited) money due to administrators fees and the damaging of our hero. MLT will not come unscathed, as he will (again unfairly) be seen as gullible to have let him be persuaded to be the front man. Im sure TL is a smashing man but as Shankley said football is not a life or death it is more important than that and there are a lot of sore people who will give him grief forever over it if we do fold. I myself do not hold him responsible, but from where I am now I can see why he is. Fry (both of them ) do not come out of it with flying colours and again if it is found that Pinnacle did not pay the deposit but another, why did M Fry give exclusivity?

[NSS]

NSS, please confirm if you play golf regularly.

 

I've played once in the last 11 years. Not sure that qualifies as regularly.

 

PS> I'll save my last post of the day for a reply to the innevitable sarcastic response from GM, but I'll just repeat - I hope you get a buyer who has the best interests of your club at heart.

[Guided Missile]

Of course, there's still time for a few more twists before someone has the last laugh, so until then I'll keep my money in my wallet, thanks.

 

As I said, I hope someone does stomp up the cash to stop Saints from going out of existence but, as I told Tony last night, in a way I now hope that his group is not tempted back to the table as it strikes me that whoever does emerge as the new owners will have purchased a poisoned chalice.

So a pint's out of the question then, Neil? Ah well, maybe the Swiss will soften the blow, instead.

As far as "Tony Lynam and the Poisoned Chalice", that sounds more like the new Harry Potter movie than the takeover of a football club. In fact Tony's story from day one sounded more like a Harry Potter story, TBF.

I don't think owning Southampton Football Club is any more poisoned than any other club. It is pretty well known that if things aren't done in the way fans want, then things get ugly for the owner, even with clubs like Man U and Liverpool.

Tony and Matt's biggest problem is that they had f*** all money between them, to control events. Still, one thing is certain. No one in business in the Southampton area will be tempting Tony back to do anything involving investment, for a long while. I just hope the reputations of Matt and the S4R charity, both of which, IMO, Tony used for PR purposes as much as he could, are not tainted by this series of unfortunate events.

 

Good luck to the both of you and I hope we meet up soon...

[shurlock]

As I said, I hope someone does stomp up the cash to stop Saints from going out of existence but, as I told Tony last night, in a way I now hope that his group is not tempted back to the table as it strikes me that whoever does emerge as the new owners will have purchased a poisoned chalice.

 

Poisoned chalice - bulls**t. If it works out, there will be plenty of goodwill - more than at most other clubs. A clean break, new faces and a chance to put the past few years behind us means that the owners will have considerable backing. This is especially true if we end up surviving what is akin to a footballing near death experience. TL squandered and took liberties with that goodwill (even if well-intentioned) and in so doing made the same mistakes as previous fools (Wilde etc) -that's why people are ultimately angry- not because of something rotten in the club.

Edited 1 July, 2009 by shurlock
a pedant for grammar

[trousers]

Afternoon John

 

I'll gladly buy you a pint or three - when this is all settled. But the fat lady isn't singing just yet.

 

Frankly, I really hope that someone does step in and purchase the club, and that whoever does so has the best interests of the club at heart, as I firmly believe was the case with Tony/Pinnacle. As you know, this is one 'Skate' who bears no ill feeling toward Saints as a club, but I've seen some pretty diabolical stuff posted here in the last few days. I appreciate that you all love your club as much as I love mine, but I can only hope that, in time, sufficient detail of recent events will become public in order for the more rational among you to realise that TL/MLT were not the 'naive fantasists' (or worse) that many are now labelling them as.

 

You, and others on here, will surely make up your own minds, but I remain totally convinced that Tony Lynam was utterly sincere in his efforts to buy the club, that he did from the outset have the necessary and substantial financial backing in place to succeed, and that he has certainly not 'used' his friendship with MLT (as some have suggested).

 

Also, so far as I'm aware, whilst some of those on the 'fringe' may have varied during the course of the past two months, I understand that the source of the main financial backing for such a deal has remained constant.

 

Of course, there's still time for a few more twists before someone has the last laugh, so until then I'll keep my money in my wallet, thanks.

 

As I said, I hope someone does stomp up the cash to stop Saints from going out of existence but, as I told Tony last night, in a way I now hope that his group is not tempted back to the table as it strikes me that whoever does emerge as the new owners will have purchased a poisoned chalice.

 

Hi there. Just a quickie...can one read anything into the fact that you don't choose to defend Fialka in your post, just MLT and TL?

cheers

[Eyes k8]

Phew, that's a relief it's not me.

 

Actually GM I have to admit you are one of the most interesting posters on here. Cheers. Hope it works out.

[Gingeletiss]

Phew, that's a relief it's not me.

 

Actually GM I have to admit you are one of the most interesting posters on here. Cheers. Hope it works out.

 

Agresive.............but interesting..

[OldNick]

No one in business in the Southampton area will be tempting Tony back to do anything involving investment, for a long while. I just hope the reputations of Matt and the S4R charity, both of which, IMO, Tony used for PR purposes as much as he could, are not tainted by this series of unfortunate events.

I doubt his business partner is too happy either

[INFLUENCED.COM]

if it is found that Pinnacle did not pay the deposit but another, why did M Fry give exclusivity?

 

Because that other was named as part of the group/consortium/confusion ?

[Saint Lindford]

In your heart of hearts Im not sure you really are sincere with the first bit and will quite like us to go under.

TL QUOTE]

 

 

You are 100% wrong there. I know the gentleman concerned and he means what he says.

[saint_stevo]

Agresive.............but interesting..

 

And for the main part....FACTUAL

[Graffito]

Afternoon John

 

I'll gladly buy you a pint or three - when this is all settled. But the fat lady isn't singing just yet.

 

Frankly, I really hope that someone does step in and purchase the club, and that whoever does so has the best interests of the club at heart, as I firmly believe was the case with Tony/Pinnacle. As you know, this is one 'Skate' who bears no ill feeling toward Saints as a club, but I've seen some pretty diabolical stuff posted here in the last few days. I appreciate that you all love your club as much as I love mine, but I can only hope that, in time, sufficient detail of recent events will become public in order for the more rational among you to realise that TL/MLT were not the 'naive fantasists' (or worse) that many are now labelling them as.

 

You, and others on here, will surely make up your own minds, but I remain totally convinced that Tony Lynam was utterly sincere in his efforts to buy the club, that he did from the outset have the necessary and substantial financial backing in place to succeed, and that he has certainly not 'used' his friendship with MLT (as some have suggested).

 

Also, so far as I'm aware, whilst some of those on the 'fringe' may have varied during the course of the past two months, I understand that the source of the main financial backing for such a deal has remained constant.

 

Of course, there's still time for a few more twists before someone has the last laugh, so until then I'll keep my money in my wallet, thanks.

 

As I said, I hope someone does stomp up the cash to stop Saints from going out of existence but, as I told Tony last night, in a way I now hope that his group is not tempted back to the table as it strikes me that whoever does emerge as the new owners will have purchased a poisoned chalice.

 

So why was Fialka stuck in front of the cameras?

[Capel Saint]

Poisoned chalice - bulls**t. If it works out, there will be plenty of goodwill - more than at most other clubs. A clean break, new faces and a chance to put the past few years behind us means that the owners will have considerable backing. This is especially true if we end up surviving what is akin to a footballing near death experience. TL squandered and took liberties with that goodwill (even if well-intentioned) and in so doing made the same mistakes as previous fools (Wilde etc) -that's why people are ultimately angry- not because of something rotten in the club.

 

Quite agree. Most of the 'poison' walked off when the club went into administration anyway which leaves a club with a modern 32,000 seater stadium, prem quality training facilities, a training ground, youth academy and a decent sized fanbase.

 

Ok, the new owners will have to pay off the negotiated debt be it £15m, £13m, £10m or whatever it may be, but then all is required is investment in the squad and a good manager and things could soon rapidly turn around.

[Toadhall Saint]

Quite agree. Most of the 'poison' walked off when the club went into administration anyway which leaves a club with a modern 32,000 seater stadium, prem quality training facilities, a training ground, youth academy and a decent sized fanbase.

 

Ok, the new owners will have to pay off the negotiated debt be it £15m, £13m, £10m or whatever it may be, but then all is required is investment in the squad and a good manager and things could soon rapidly turn around.

 

agreed!

[Gingeletiss]

And for the main part....FACTUAL

 

No argument there Steve..........but as I've said, there are differing ways of getting that point across!!!!

[NSS]

So a pint's out of the question then, Neil? Ah well, maybe the Swiss will soften the blow, instead.

As far as "Tony Lynam and the Poisoned Chalice", that sounds more like the new Harry Potter movie than the takeover of a football club. In fact Tony's story from day one sounded more like a Harry Potter story, TBF.

I don't think owning Southampton Football Club is any more poisoned than any other club. It is pretty well known that if things aren't done in the way fans want, then things get ugly for the owner, even with clubs like Man U and Liverpool.

Tony and Matt's biggest problem is that they had f*** all money between them, to control events. Still, one thing is certain. No one in business in the Southampton area will be tempting Tony back to do anything involving investment, for a long while. I just hope the reputations of Matt and the S4R charity, both of which, IMO, Tony used for PR purposes as much as he could, are not tainted by this series of unfortunate events.

 

Good luck to the both of you and I hope we meet up soon...

 

No, a pint is not ot of the question mate, it's merely going to have to wait a few days longer.

 

As for the Harry Potter analogy, that is of course a matter of opinion and, as I said, you and others will make up your own minds. And whilst I understand that fans of any club can be fickle, some wait to see the facts before they jump to a conclusion. Nobody ever said that Tony and Matt were in control of events. Clearly, they were never the 'money men' and the man who signs the cheques, as no doubt is the case in your business, will always be the man who makes the final call.

 

Tony, I'm sure, despite your ascertation will be fine. As someone said last night, today's news story is tomorrow's fish & chip wrapper. As for the reputations of Matt and S4R, neither were imho 'used for PR'. Of course, I'd like to think that, had their purchase of the club been completed, the charity may have derived some future benefit from their continued support, but why should it's failure 'taint' either. Matt was clearly backing what he believed to be a plan that was in the best interests of the club. And S4R is a charity, founded in memory of a Saints fan. If anyone is shallow enough to bear a grudge against Matt or S4R then that is their problem.

 

Incidentally, if memory serves me correctly, it was internet searches on Pinnacle (when none of you on here knew who they were), that unearthed the links to S4R on our own appeal web site and on Pinnacle's sites. We're extremely grateful for their suport, which has been ongoing for several years - so it's not like they suddenly said, "we're thinking of mounting a bid for SFC so let's find a local charity to align ourselves to so as to look like jolly good chaps".

 

We'll definitely meet up for that beer, and I may even suggest that Tony joins us. If he does, you may actually find yourself changing your opinion - assuming you're sufficiently open-minded to give him a fair hearing. After all, this isn't Iran!

 

Cheers!

 

PS (for Trousers) - Simple answer, how can I defend someone I have never met? My only knowledge of the gentleman is the headline grabbing stuff that has been written in the past week, and I prefer to judge people on my own personal dealings with them. He's quite possibly a great bloke. Tony Lynam and Matt Le Tissier are great blokes, at least in my opinion.

[trousers]

 

PS (for Trousers) - Simple answer, how can I defend someone I have never met? My only knowledge of the gentleman is the headline grabbing stuff that has been written in the past week, and I prefer to judge people on my own personal dealings with them. He's quite possibly a great bloke. Tony Lynam and Matt Le Tissier are great blokes, at least in my opinion.

 

cheers for that - apologies, wasn't sure who's in what loop. Thanks

[NSS]

No need to apologise mate. Anything I've passed on has been done so in good faith, and with my own personal judgement as to the sincerity of the individuals involved. Like I said, Mr Fialka is probably a very decent bloke (and I see he is now suggesting that Pinnacle may be prepared to re-enter the process).

 

Like I said, the fat lady hasn't sung yet

 

PS> Cheers Linny. Look forward to seeing you on the 10th.

[John B]

prepared to re-enter the process).

 

Like I said, the fat lady hasn't sung yet

 

QUOTE]

 

 

But is she warming up yet to sing

[slickmick]

I believe you owe me a pint or two. Why not come with Tony tonight and buy me one? I have a feeling, if the Swiss don't close today, I'll need a drink or three...

 

Just to remind you.....

 

02-06-2009, 12:32 AM

 

Did he stand you up ?

[Guided Missile]

Did he stand you up ?

I waited until 8:30PM and then decided to go home and re-arrange my Saints programme collection, autobiographically, instead....

[buctootim]

re-arrange my Saints programme collection, autobiographically, instead....

 

You think even the programmes are about you? :confused:

[Guided Missile]

You think even the programmes are about you? :confused:

You really had to watch/read "High Fidelity", to get it, TBF...

[bridge too far]

You think even the programmes are about you? :confused:

 

Isn't that a Carole King classic?

[buctootim]

Isn't that a Carole King classic?

 

GM is Warren Beatty?

[buctootim]

You really had to watch/read "High Fidelity", to get it, TBF...

 

I have as it happens. That means I've got a bad memory in addition to not spotting the reference

[Guided Missile]

I have as it happens. That means I've got a bad memory in addition to not spotting the reference

Broken hearted by being dumped by his girlfriend, the main character goes home to rearrange his record collection. Nerd that works at his store pops round and asks what our hero is doing and is told he is....rearranging his record collection.

"Chronologically?", nerd asks.

"Autobiographically", he is told......

Nerd says "......Cool....."

[buctootim]

Broken hearted by being dumped by his girlfriend, the main character goes home to rearrange his record collection. Nerd that works at his store pops round and asks what our hero is doing and is told he is....rearranging his record collection.

"Chronologically?", nerd asks.

"Autobiographically", he is told......

Nerd says "......Cool....."

 

Ah. Thanks. I've grasped it now

[Channon's Sideburns]

I doubt his business partner is too happy either

 

I bet his clients aren't too happy either...

[St_Tel49]

Isn't that a Carole King classic?

 

Carly Simon

[OldNick]

Carly Simon

I had one of those once, quite painful

[Frank's cousin]

Carly Simon

 

'You're so vain'.... now on this thread could that apply to? ;-)

[bridge too far]

Carly Simon

 

Oh yeah

 

My bad :oops:

[Saint Richard of Woolston]

I once kissed Carly Simon . . . .

[Lets B Avenue]

Source? Also Rich, check the "Greatest Memory " thread from yesterday.

[Weston Super Saint]

 

As for the Harry Potter analogy, that is of course a matter of opinion and, as I said, you and others will make up your own minds. And whilst I understand that fans of any club can be fickle, some wait to see the facts before they jump to a conclusion.

 

LOL.

 

You seem to be under the impression that there will be FACTS released regarding an SFC takeover

 

You've clearly not been doing this for very long

[bridge too far]

I once kissed Carly Simon . . . .

 

You must be quite old then

[buctootim]

I once kissed Carly Simon . . . .

 

I once e-corresponded with someone who had kissed Carly Simon.

[eelpie]

Help!

[Window Cleaner]

I once kissed Carly Simon . . . .

 

You're so vain, bet she wrote a song about you:smt085

[RinNY]

No, a pint is not ot of the question mate, it's merely going to have to wait a few days longer.

 

As for the Harry Potter analogy, that is of course a matter of opinion and, as I said, you and others will make up your own minds. And whilst I understand that fans of any club can be fickle, some wait to see the facts before they jump to a conclusion. Nobody ever said that Tony and Matt were in control of events. Clearly, they were never the 'money men' and the man who signs the cheques, as no doubt is the case in your business, will always be the man who makes the final call.

 

Tony, I'm sure, despite your ascertation will be fine. As someone said last night, today's news story is tomorrow's fish & chip wrapper. As for the reputations of Matt and S4R, neither were imho 'used for PR'. Of course, I'd like to think that, had their purchase of the club been completed, the charity may have derived some future benefit from their continued support, but why should it's failure 'taint' either. Matt was clearly backing what he believed to be a plan that was in the best interests of the club. And S4R is a charity, founded in memory of a Saints fan. If anyone is shallow enough to bear a grudge against Matt or S4R then that is their problem.

 

Incidentally, if memory serves me correctly, it was internet searches on Pinnacle (when none of you on here knew who they were), that unearthed the links to S4R on our own appeal web site and on Pinnacle's sites. We're extremely grateful for their suport, which has been ongoing for several years - so it's not like they suddenly said, "we're thinking of mounting a bid for SFC so let's find a local charity to align ourselves to so as to look like jolly good chaps".

 

We'll definitely meet up for that beer, and I may even suggest that Tony joins us. If he does, you may actually find yourself changing your opinion - assuming you're sufficiently open-minded to give him a fair hearing. After all, this isn't Iran!

 

Cheers!

 

PS (for Trousers) - Simple answer, how can I defend someone I have never met? My only knowledge of the gentleman is the headline grabbing stuff that has been written in the past week, and I prefer to judge people on my own personal dealings with them. He's quite possibly a great bloke. Tony Lynam and Matt Le Tissier are great blokes, at least in my opinion.

 

 

Lynam's statements have been inconsistent, and that arouses suspicion. There was supposed to be a single client behind his bid, who had a very comfortable wealth of hundreds of millions, but was shy to let his identity be known before the deal was finalised. The deal never was finalised, for reasons that grew more obscure and implausible as time went on, and then the unlikely Fialka was produced as the money man, though it was clear he in fact has nowhere near the sort of wealth needed. So the story changed to the money coming from the "community" in which Fialka has contacts, apparently the old cliche that all Jews are rich and support one another (neither of which is true). And then the bid was suddenly dropped after spinning us along for a whole month of suspense and leaving SFC on the verge of collapse that only selling two players has prevented.

 

If all of that does not explain to you why Lynam is (in my view rightly) seen as a chancer and fantasist (not to use a harsher term like con man), then I'd like to know what construction can be put on all this that will make him look better?

 

As to MLT, with all due respect to the greatest Saints player ever and a man who clearly bleeds red and white, his judgement has to be questioned as a result of his association with this Pinnacle debacle, which is a sad thing to have to conclude, but for me means he is not the right man to run this club.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Lynam's statements have been inconsistent, and that arouses suspicion. There was supposed to be a single client behind his bid, who had a very comfortable wealth of hundreds of millions, but was shy to let his identity be known before the deal was finalised. The deal never was finalised, for reasons that grew more obscure and implausible as time went on, and then the unlikely Fialka was produced as the money man, though it was clear he in fact has nowhere near the sort of wealth needed. So the story changed to the money coming from the "community" in which Fialka has contacts, apparently the old cliche that all Jews are rich and support one another (neither of which is true). And then the bid was suddenly dropped after spinning us along for a whole month of suspense and leaving SFC on the verge of collapse that only selling two players has prevented.

 

If all of that does not explain to you why Lynam is (in my view rightly) seen as a chancer and fantasist (not to use a harsher term like con man), then I'd like to know what construction can be put on all this that will make him look better?

 

As to MLT, with all due respect to the greatest Saints player ever and a man who clearly bleeds red and white, his judgement has to be questioned as a result of his association with this Pinnacle debacle, which is a sad thing to have to conclude, but for me means he is not the right man to run this club.

 

 

100% agree with this - sober reading but very wise.

[ottery st mary]

Lynam's statements have been inconsistent, and that arouses suspicion. There was supposed to be a single client behind his bid, who had a very comfortable wealth of hundreds of millions, but was shy to let his identity be known before the deal was finalised. The deal never was finalised, for reasons that grew more obscure and implausible as time went on, and then the unlikely Fialka was produced as the money man, though it was clear he in fact has nowhere near the sort of wealth needed. So the story changed to the money coming from the "community" in which Fialka has contacts, apparently the old cliche that all Jews are rich and support one another (neither of which is true). And then the bid was suddenly dropped after spinning us along for a whole month of suspense and leaving SFC on the verge of collapse that only selling two players has prevented.

 

If all of that does not explain to you why Lynam is (in my view rightly) seen as a chancer and fantasist (not to use a harsher term like con man), then I'd like to know what construction can be put on all this that will make him look better?

 

As to MLT, with all due respect to the greatest Saints player ever and a man who clearly bleeds red and white, his judgement has to be questioned as a result of his association with this Pinnacle debacle, which is a sad thing to have to conclude, but for me means he is not the right man to run this club.

 

 

There are a lot of unanswered questions BUT surely the biggest and most important question would be to The Administrator.....Did you ever see proof of money from Pinnacle/prospective purchasers....If Lynam/Fialka/community have no proof of wealth then should NOT have got past first base......

 

Until that is known, then any criticism towards MLT is premature...We do not know what he was told or what he saw..

I would hope that any prospective purchaser is validated by the Administrator or my bid ( overdrawn like some other prospective purchasers)

could have been front page news at the Echo.

 

To be honest I do not know the rules but if I had a list of buyers I would prioritise with proof of wealth to suceed in any purchase.

 

Mr Fry your in control or not....[-o

[dubai_phil]

There are a lot of unanswered questions BUT surely the biggest and most important question would be to The Administrator.....Did you ever see proof of money from Pinnacle/prospective purchasers....If Lynam/Fialka/community have no proof of wealth then should NOT have got past first base......

 

Until that is known, then any criticism towards MLT is premature...We do not know what he was told or what he saw..

I would hope that any prospective purchaser is validated by the Administrator or my bid ( overdrawn like some other prospective purchasers)

could have been front page news at the Echo.

 

To be honest I do not know the rules but if I had a list of buyers I would prioritise with proof of wealth to suceed in any purchase.

 

Mr Fry your in control or not....[-o

 

 

The same core question then extends one step further.

 

ASSUMING that the original MJ consortium HAD proven funds, and had been close to concluding a deposit on the Thursday before Pinnacle's exclusivity, but also the fact that at the same time the Swiss APPEARED to be close to making a formal bid, the decision by Fry to rush into bed with Pinnacle seems very strange.

 

Forget the "MJ tyre-kicking allegations/argument for one moment", but there are unanswered questions here in a sequence of sad events that have eventually led to the club having to sell DMG & Surman to pay the wages and probably losing KD to West Ham.

 

There were ststements in the media of 4 Pinnacle backers, 3 pulled out, what proof of funds were used by Fry? The 4 or the one and only....

 

There was a firm demand of a 500k deposit and yet media statements indicate that may not have been the case. None of the actions of Pinnacle in their over-run appeared like those of a businessman who was worried about 500k in the midst of the biggest depression since whenever....

 

Yes the Pinnacle affair is a "pretty poor show", but at the same time if I were a creditor I would have some pretty tough question for Mark Fry over this, as I would if I was a new owner coming in and finding that the debacle had lost me the possible services of 3 players.

 

I also wonder how, at the end of the day, his industry will rate his performance over the past weeks. He may still sell the club, but I don't think this will sit too well on his cv either

[Fitzhugh Fella]

The same core question then extends one step further.

 

ASSUMING that the original MJ consortium HAD proven funds, and had been close to concluding a deposit on the Thursday before Pinnacle's exclusivity, but also the fact that at the same time the Swiss APPEARED to be close to making a formal bid, the decision by Fry to rush into bed with Pinnacle seems very strange.

 

Forget the "MJ tyre-kicking allegations/argument for one moment", but there are unanswered questions here in a sequence of sad events that have eventually led to the club having to sell DMG & Surman to pay the wages and probably losing KD to West Ham.

 

There were ststements in the media of 4 Pinnacle backers, 3 pulled out, what proof of funds were used by Fry? The 4 or the one and only....

 

There was a firm demand of a 500k deposit and yet media statements indicate that may not have been the case. None of the actions of Pinnacle in their over-run appeared like those of a businessman who was worried about 500k in the midst of the biggest depression since whenever....

 

Yes the Pinnacle affair is a "pretty poor show", but at the same time if I were a creditor I would have some pretty tough question for Mark Fry over this, as I would if I was a new owner coming in and finding that the debacle had lost me the possible services of 3 players.

 

I also wonder how, at the end of the day, his industry will rate his performance over the past weeks. He may still sell the club, but I don't think this will sit too well on his cv either

 

I agree with you and Ottery - there are still far too many unanswered questions and inconsistencies regarding Pinnacle. Those 5 weeks wasted time could not be afforded and someone should take responsibility whether it be Fry or whoever. And I hope the next group that attempt to get MLT and LC onboard, that the pair of them do proper due diligence.