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Never understand why so many criticise Crouch on here. The only thing he's guilty of is letting his heart rule his head at times. Make no mistake about it, if it wasn't for Leon putting his hand in his pocket, Saints would be no more. He deserves our respect for that alone.

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Never understand why so many criticise Crouch on here. The only thing he's guilty of is letting his heart rule his head at times. Make no mistake about it, if it wasn't for Leon putting his hand in his pocket, Saints would be no more. He deserves our respect for that alone.

 

Well let me clear that up. The good that he tries to do is dwarfed by the repercussions of these actions. The fact he has put his hand in his pocket to bale us out in our time of need is truly laudable, but this does not come near the £40M that was wasted and a major part facilitated by his involvement. Then again look at the Pinnacle debacle, which you can easily point to as costing us one player from Surman and DMG.

 

Now why anyone with even a hint of business acumen would want him on the board is beyond me. You only have to look at his press to come to the conclusion this is the last place for him. There is no doubt he is a fan and the best place for him is on the terraces, anywhere else and you are getting a severe case of the self inflicteds.

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He's put a lot of effort and time into the club, he's also thrown a lot of money at a dying cause. For that I thank him. At the same time, he didn't have a clue what to do or how to do it. He also opened his mouth without thinking. Fresh start please.

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Ummmm, 'Shrugs off talk' - 'refuses to confirm if he did or didn't pay Pinnacle's deposit' - 'wrong time to talk about money'...

 

 

Hardly translates to - 'Crouch loses a cool million'. Lets wait for the hard evidence instead of simply accepting or misinterpretating what gets said.

 

If he has then it's his personal choice but he got into bed with Wilde in the first place and has not exactly made some great judgement calls along the way IMO. Also there is no comment as to the terms those funds were made available or if indeed he will receive some of it back.

 

With Andrew Oldknow as COO, IMO I would have thought there is about as much chance of Crouch being given a role on the board as he has of selling programmes on match days. I hope the media no longer wheel out Crouch and McMenemy in future if they want a quote about the club. Time for a welcome change.

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Well let me clear that up. The good that he tries to do is dwarfed by the repercussions of these actions. The fact he has put his hand in his pocket to bale us out in our time of need is truly laudable, but this does not come near the £40M that was wasted and a major part facilitated by his involvement. Then again look at the Pinnacle debacle, which you can easily point to as costing us one player from Surman and DMG.

 

Now why anyone with even a hint of business acumen would want him on the board is beyond me. You only have to look at his press to come to the conclusion this is the last place for him. There is no doubt he is a fan and the best place for him is on the terraces, anywhere else and you are getting a severe case of the self inflicteds.

 

Not much to disagree with there IMO and perhaps we should ask if Crouch simply found a conscience?

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Like him or hate him the bottom line is that if Leon Crouch had not been here we would probably not have a Southampton Football Club now that we can all look forward to with a bright future.

 

He deserves thanks for all the money he has contributed to keep this club alive.

 

If you dont like him then keep a diginified silence and just remember that like it or not he is partly responsible for our club still being alive.

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http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/4484727.Crouch_shrugs_off_talk_of___1m_loss/

 

 

I sincerely hope he gets a place on the board, the man is utterly dignified and a man of honour, I for one would like to shake his hand and thank him for all he's done for the club.

 

He gambled and it worked out. The consolation prize for JUST missing the play off finals and promotion to the Premiership was always going to end up with an end to the plc and a buyer. Never had a doubt about the inevitable sale. But, shame we had to endure a year of Lowe sending us a league lower before his final humiliating exit.

 

Crouch has played a canny hand - whether he intended to or not. Respect.

 

And for those who would say he nearly killed us etc etc... he didnt did he! We're one of the wealthiest clubs in the League. No debt, no plc, no Lowe. New manager and a bunch of decent professionals like Rasiak and John who we still might just be able to sign after the example set by KD today.

 

This is the best day of supporting Saints I have had for bloody years. What a wonderful new beginning already from the new owners. Decisive, ambitious and wealthy. God I have campaigned hard for this day... and I love it!!!!

 

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Ummmm, 'Shrugs off talk' - 'refuses to confirm if he did or didn't pay Pinnacle's deposit' - 'wrong time to talk about money'...

 

 

Hardly translates to - 'Crouch loses a cool million'. Lets wait for the hard evidence instead of simply accepting or misinterpretating what gets said.

 

If he has then it's his personal choice but he got into bed with Wilde in the first place and has not exactly made some great judgement calls along the way IMO. Also there is no comment as to the terms those funds were made available or if indeed he will receive some of it back.

 

With Andrew Oldknow as COO, IMO I would have thought there is about as much chance of Crouch being given a role on the board as he has of selling programmes on match days. I hope the media no longer wheel out Crouch and McMenemy in future if they want a quote about the club. Time for a welcome change.

 

 

19. What we now have is nothing like that which you wanted. We now have optimism. Crouch is a supporter of SFC. For me you are just a supporter of a failed old regime. Frankly, admit it.... you backed the wrong horse.

 

Show some humility and admit defeat. Or... are you Lowe afterall?

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Cheers for being the then only guy connected with this club to actually bother to put your money where your mouth is. Paying the wages through april probably meant we got to keep players and kept the club going. You are a true Saint!

 

However.....

 

I think the club needs a whole new fresh start from the top all the way to the bottom, new manager, new players and new board members. You will be remembered for the great things you did for this club, while Lowe's name is eventually forgotten as the years go by you will be remembered for the good deeds you did. But it is time to let other people have a go, let them have a try. Sit back with the rest of us fans and enjoy the ride for once :)

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Like him or hate him the bottom line is that if Leon Crouch had not been here we would probably not have a Southampton Football Club now that we can all look forward to with a bright future.

 

He deserves thanks for all the money he has contributed to keep this club alive.

 

If you dont like him then keep a diginified silence and just remember that like it or not he is partly responsible for our club still being alive.

 

If he has lost money I think he should be re-imbursed somehow

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Ummmm, 'Shrugs off talk' - 'refuses to confirm if he did or didn't pay Pinnacle's deposit' - 'wrong time to talk about money'...

 

 

Hardly translates to - 'Crouch loses a cool million'. Lets wait for the hard evidence instead of simply accepting or misinterpretating what gets said.

 

If he has then it's his personal choice but he got into bed with Wilde in the first place and has not exactly made some great judgement calls along the way IMO. Also there is no comment as to the terms those funds were made available or if indeed he will receive some of it back.

 

With Andrew Oldknow as COO, IMO I would have thought there is about as much chance of Crouch being given a role on the board as he has of selling programmes on match days. I hope the media no longer wheel out Crouch and McMenemy in future if they want a quote about the club. Time for a welcome change.

 

Just tell me why the utter dislike for McMenemy

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Well let me clear that up. The good that he tries to do is dwarfed by the repercussions of these actions. The fact he has put his hand in his pocket to bale us out in our time of need is truly laudable, but this does not come near the £40M that was wasted and a major part facilitated by his involvement. Then again look at the Pinnacle debacle, which you can easily point to as costing us one player from Surman and DMG.

 

Now why anyone with even a hint of business acumen would want him on the board is beyond me. You only have to look at his press to come to the conclusion this is the last place for him. There is no doubt he is a fan and the best place for him is on the terraces, anywhere else and you are getting a severe case of the self inflicteds.

 

What £40 million was that then? Was that spent in his 4 months as chairman or during the year and a half under Wilde when he was just a board member? Be very interested to see how he's solely responsible for that....

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If he has lost money I think he should be re-imbursed somehow

Wilde lost money as well - should he be reimbursed? No, didn't think so...

 

I don't think you'll find any Saints fan who's not grateful for him putting his hand in his pocket to cover the wage bill. That goes without saying, and you only have to look back at the many threads that have discussed it to see that people who generally don't have any time for Crouch - myself included - have given credit where it has been due for this. Using it as a stick to beat those who have genuine reasons for believing he shouldn't be involved in the club is plain wrong.

 

The fact of the matter is that the money he put towards Pinnacle's exclusivity period is money he has wasted and he really only has himself to blame, and I suspect he's probably annoyed with himself that he didn't do a bit more investigation on that front. It's certainly proven costly for him personally. Fortunately the delay it caused didn't have fatal implications for the football club.

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I really don't know why people are always so keen to criticise anyone who actually tried to help the club irrespective of the outcome and any perceived misjudgements on their part. I'm neither for or against Crouch or anyone else for that matter, I just wish people would leave it be but then someone has to bring Lawrie Mac into the debate, ridiculous. I know my own view is somewhat blinkered because he gave myself and many other Saints fans the greatest day of their lives as supporters plus about 10 years or more of really good times but I'm struggling to think of anything significant he has done to harm this club. Then again it was after he took over in 1973/74 that we got relegated so I imagine if this board had been around then people would be calling for his head and then 2 years later saying he was the best thing since sliced bread. Fickle or what ?

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I really don't know why people are always so keen to criticise anyone who actually tried to help the club irrespective of the outcome and any perceived misjudgements on their part. I'm neither for or against Crouch or anyone else for that matter, I just wish people would leave it be but then someone has to bring Lawrie Mac into the debate, ridiculous. I know my own view is somewhat blinkered because he gave myself and many other Saints fans the greatest day of their lives as supporters plus about 10 years or more of really good times but I'm struggling to think of anything significant he has done to harm this club. Then again it was after he took over in 1973/74 that we got relegated so I imagine if this board had been around then people would be calling for his head and then 2 years later saying he was the best thing since sliced bread. Fickle or what ?

 

Quality post Chris

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Wilde lost money as well - should he be reimbursed? No, didn't think so...

 

I don't think you'll find any Saints fan who's not grateful for him putting his hand in his pocket to cover the wage bill. That goes without saying.

19C above presumably does not count as a saints fan. There are still bitter people about who don't seem to be able to agree about even this.

 

If not for Crouch we would not now exist, I'm sure of that. However, I have to say that when he first came on the scene I was no great fan, too much shooting from the lip, but there is a difference between some fair criticism and some of the franky insulting things that some say. Quite where anyone gets the idea that anyone wasted 40m I have no idea

 

Thanks Leon for your assistance in ensuring the Club survived, and we look forward to seeing you continue to support the Saints through your low key sponsorship and so on. And many thanks for your help in getting rid of Lowe, even if it did backfire initially due to the inadequacies of the Quisling Wilde.

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I am sorry that Mr Crouch has lost his money as he clearly only ever acted in the clubs best interest - irrespective if he got it right or wrong. It is just a pity that the other rabble of Lowe, Cowan, Askham and Richards never had to pay for theirs to lose it (by and large) and my real sympathy will only ever rest with my fellow supporters who bought their shares in their hard earned cash and have now lost their money. I wont even mention Mr Wilde and I think that all posts mentioning the above names excluding Mr Crouch should be prevented from appearing on this forum again.

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Well let me clear that up. The good that he tries to do is dwarfed by the repercussions of these actions. The fact he has put his hand in his pocket to bale us out in our time of need is truly laudable, but this does not come near the £40M that was wasted and a major part facilitated by his involvement. Then again look at the Pinnacle debacle, which you can easily point to as costing us one player from Surman and DMG.

 

Now why anyone with even a hint of business acumen would want him on the board is beyond me. You only have to look at his press to come to the conclusion this is the last place for him. There is no doubt he is a fan and the best place for him is on the terraces, anywhere else and you are getting a severe case of the self inflicteds.

 

 

Crouch had enough business acumen to amass a multi-million pound fortune from nothing. Not even Rupert has made as much, and he was born with a silver spoon up his arse.

 

I agree about Crouch not being on the board. He is too emotionally attached. We shouldn't under-estimate his financial assistance this Summer, and it would be fitting to recognise that with some sort of 'honorary' title.

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What £40 million was that then? Was that spent in his 4 months as chairman or during the year and a half under Wilde when he was just a board member? Be very interested to see how he's solely responsible for that....

 

He didn't say solely responsible Daren so stop twisting what people say to support your own argument as usual.

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Cos he's Lowe

 

Ever spoken to Big Lawrie ? Thought not. When you do, ask him his opinion of Lowe (I have). I wouldn't be able to print his thoughts here.

 

Lawrie may be past his prime but there's some of us on here who will always be eternal thankful/

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If Crouch donated money to keep us going then he should be thanked and recognised.

 

Name a stand or something - nothing to do with running the club as time to move on.

 

Name a stand - god please no. Nothing is proven and he even won't admit to it. The Echo article is a report on 'talk' which to me could mean hearsay. Personally, I will reserve judgement until we know exactly how much he contributed and under what terms.

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Name a stand - god please no. Nothing is proven and he even won't admit to it. The Echo article is a report on 'talk' which to me could mean hearsay. Personally, I will reserve judgement until we know exactly how much he contributed and under what terms.

 

Why? Does he owe it to anyone to say how much he contributed? Of course he doesn't and you can interpret his unwillingness to say so to suit your own predetermined views if you so choose. Clearly that's exactly what you've decided to do but I will thank you for sparing us a diatribe on Lawrie Mac.

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http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/4484727.Crouch_shrugs_off_talk_of___1m_loss/

 

 

I sincerely hope he gets a place on the board, the man is utterly dignified and a man of honour, I for one would like to shake his hand and thank him for all he's done for the club.

 

Mmm, did that yesterday actually. Guy is a true gent and we should all be very thankful that he is a Saints supporter through and through. Oh, did I mention he's also a good businessman with a nose for getting the important stuff right? Thanks Leon.

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Well let me clear that up. The good that he tries to do is dwarfed by the repercussions of these actions. The fact he has put his hand in his pocket to bale us out in our time of need is truly laudable, but this does not come near the £40M that was wasted and a major part facilitated by his involvement. Then again look at the Pinnacle debacle, which you can easily point to as costing us one player from Surman and DMG.

 

Now why anyone with even a hint of business acumen would want him on the board is beyond me. You only have to look at his press to come to the conclusion this is the last place for him. There is no doubt he is a fan and the best place for him is on the terraces, anywhere else and you are getting a severe case of the self inflicteds.

What £40 million was that then? Was that spent in his 4 months as chairman or during the year and a half under Wilde when he was just a board member? Be very interested to see how he's solely responsible for that....

 

That £40M consists of the money on deposit, the parachute payment, the revenue possible from player sales and the increase in debt at the end of it all. This is money in excess of all the other revenue coming into the club which your standard CCC club has to run on.

 

I have never stated Crouch is solely responsible for this alone, that majority just goes to Wilde for being the catalyst for everything that followed, even though for but a few short months. But the majority that followed could not have been so without Crouch's acquiescence in some form or his inability to form a working structure. For sheer stupidity Crouch stands alone and all you have to do is look through his statements to unearth gem after gem.

 

I can happily list these out for you even up to the latest with Pinnacle and the the assertion Saints set up was deliberate to avoid the 10 point penalty. If you were to say to me that Crouch was a Saints fan who had lost a lot of money in trying to help I could easily let that lie. But try telling me he deserves a place on the board is ridiculous beyond belief, when you look at his reverse Midas effect.

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He didn't say solely responsible Daren so stop twisting what people say to support your own argument as usual.

 

Actually look at the original post oh supremely intellectual one and see how the whole post is geared towards blaming Crouch. There is no mention of Wilde or Lowe or Hone or Dulieu just a snide insinuation that Crouch somehow blew the majority of £40 million.

 

Now if you can't retract your head from your own agenda and see that my point is perfectly valid and that rather than defend Crouch I'm actually asking for some parity in the blame gaming that goes on here, then words fail me...

 

Again, he was chairman for four months odd and before that was a board member, and there are numerous board members who have escaped scot free in the blame game. Do we ever see any of the Pro Lowe mob blaming the others? No the vast majority of the blame is lumped at Crouch's door whilst Hone, Dulieu Wilde and Lowe skip off into the sunset blameless.

 

At least with the new single owner we won't have to listen to your agenda driven drivel much any more...

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Mmm, did that yesterday actually. Guy is a true gent and we should all be very thankful that he is a Saints supporter through and through. Oh, did I mention he's also a good businessman with a nose for getting the important stuff right? Thanks Leon.

:confused:

 

Like backing Pinnacle to the point he "lost a cool million"?

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That £40M

 

And the £40m is driven by relegation from the top flight and in the first year down we were cash negative depsite raking in £16m from player sales.

 

Lowe left a business haemoraghing cash.

 

Othe rmistakes were made following this initial loss, but you seem to struggle with the concept that when Lowe left the numbers were out by a fair few million.

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Wilde lost money as well - should he be reimbursed? No, didn't think so...

 

No but it's an false comparison. Crouch (we believe) put money in after the club's shares were suspended for which he received no equity or guarantee of reimbursement. I'm sure he was was expecting to get something from Pinnacle but he kept the club afloat for nothing in return.

 

That said I don't think he should be reimbursed and I don't think he should be given any boardroom role. I think we should remember that he kept us going in tough times but now we need a clean break.

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Wilde lost money as well - should he be reimbursed? No, didn't think so...

 

I don't think you'll find any Saints fan who's not grateful for him putting his hand in his pocket to cover the wage bill. That goes without saying, and you only have to look back at the many threads that have discussed it to see that people who generally don't have any time for Crouch - myself included - have given credit where it has been due for this. Using it as a stick to beat those who have genuine reasons for believing he shouldn't be involved in the club is plain wrong.

 

The fact of the matter is that the money he put towards Pinnacle's exclusivity period is money he has wasted and he really only has himself to blame, and I suspect he's probably annoyed with himself that he didn't do a bit more investigation on that front. It's certainly proven costly for him personally. Fortunately the delay it caused didn't have fatal implications for the football club.

 

Sorry what I meant was if he paid any money for wages specifically as suggested by Lawrie Mac not the Pinnacle money I agree

 

I dont think he should be on the board as he may not have the same outlook as Markus

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Ummmm, 'Shrugs off talk' - 'refuses to confirm if he did or didn't pay Pinnacle's deposit' - 'wrong time to talk about money'...

 

 

 

 

Hardly translates to - 'Crouch loses a cool million'. Lets wait for the hard evidence instead of simply accepting or misinterpretating what gets said.

 

If he has then it's his personal choice but he got into bed with Wilde in the first place and has not exactly made some great judgement calls along the way IMO. Also there is no comment as to the terms those funds were made available or if indeed he will receive some of it back.

 

With Andrew Oldknow as COO, IMO I would have thought there is about as much chance of Crouch being given a role on the board as he has of selling programmes on match days. I hope the media no longer wheel out Crouch and McMenemy in future if they want a quote about the club. Time for a welcome change.

 

Yep give us a change and give it a rest

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