John B Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 (edited) http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/paulfletcher/2009/09/back_from_the_brink_southampto.html#146591 Well Well Well an interesting read Cortese's plan is for the club to win promotion from League One in two seasons and reach the Premier League in five years. He does not expect Liebherr to enjoy a return on his investment until the club returns to the top flight but reckons Saints can break even in the Championship. In the meantime, there are funds available for Pardew to mould his squad. Edited 1 October, 2009 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanthemanfairoak Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 (edited) http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/paulfletcher/2009/09/back_from_the_brink_southampto.html#146591 Well Well Well an interesting read Cortese's plan is for the club to win promotion from League One in two seasons and reach the Premier League in five years. He does not expect Liebherr to enjoy a return on his investment until the club returns to the top flight but reckons Saints can break even in the Championship. In the meantime, there are funds available for Pardew to mould his squad. yeah a good read and fair. Edited 1 October, 2009 by stanthemanfairoak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 Do keep up chaps was posted on another thread 2 hours ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 Nice article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 Do keep up chaps was posted on another thread 2 hours ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What time is it in New Zealand !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 I feel a lot more at ease having read this cortese interview. The big question: who sent him THAT email he refers to in April alerting him to the club being in admin? Oldknow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 I feel a lot more at ease having read this cortese interview. The big question: who sent him THAT email he refers to in April alerting him to the club being in admin? Oldknow? I guess you could argue that the source of the email doesn't matter, given the eventual outcome - but it certainly is an intriguing question. Very good article I must say - makes me feel even more hopeful for out future, which is a distinctly odd feeling after the past few years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 Seriously impressed with the guy and his apparent dedication to making us great again. Sad that the manager and team are currently letting him down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O_RLY Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 Great article. Lets hope they can meet the targets... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 I feel a lot more at ease having read this cortese interview. The big question: who sent him THAT email he refers to in April alerting him to the club being in admin? Oldknow? I was under the impression Oldknow brought Mr Liebherr to the table if that was via Cortese who knows but as I have said before in the world of Corporate Finance it's who you know not what you know that matters. Also Oldknow said right at the start funds would be available in league 1 but funds in line with the level we are operating at and I don't think that has changed. I doubt very much if Mr Cortese will need to be practicing writing noughts just yet, unless he starts analysing and rating some of the posters on this forum and their unreasonable rants and creation of unrest towards Pardew and his team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 Seriously impressed with the guy and his apparent dedication to making us great again. Sad that the manager and team are currently letting him down. I find your post a contradiction as it suggests you are impressed with Cortese but not his decision making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 I find your post a contradiction as it suggests you are impressed with Cortese but not his decision making. What a load of contrary nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/paulfletcher/2009/09/back_from_the_brink_southampto.html#146591 Well Well Well an interesting read Cortese's plan is for the club to win promotion from League One in two seasons and reach the Premier League in five years. He does not expect Liebherr to enjoy a return on his investment until the club returns to the top flight but reckons Saints can break even in the Championship. In the meantime, there are funds available for Pardew to mould his squad. Very good article. Cortese is a man with vision and the wherewithal to get it. It shows a lot of difference between long term expectations....( upto to CCC) ... and short term disappointment (Bristol Rovers game). Some of our fan base could benefit from some of his confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 What a load of contrary nonsense. Is it? if Cortese was that impressive, as you say, would he put up with a manager that is letting him down, as you like to say. Management who stand by their decisions even though it's obviously not working to those who share your insight have no respect for the club. At least that is what we have become use to being told isn't it? My guess is Alpine that Cortese will be next on your hit list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 1 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 1 October, 2009 (edited) Very good article. Cortese is a man with vision and the wherewithal to get it. It shows a lot of difference between long term expectations....( upto to CCC) ... and short term disappointment (Bristol Rovers game). Some of our fan base could benefit from some of his confidence. Although I agree with your sentiments the only way we can progress to the Premiership is if we win games regularly. At the moment we are not until that happens the thought of getting to the Premiership is not realistic and that is what is concerning some fans. Although confidence is a good thing it should be tinged with realism as well Edited 1 October, 2009 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 Very good article. Cortese is a man with vision and the wherewithal to get it. It shows a lot of difference between long term expectations....( upto to CCC) ... and short term disappointment (Bristol Rovers game). Some of our fan base could benefit from some of his confidence. The thing is, this is no different than what he and his colleagues have been saying from Day 1 and no different than what was said at the Solent Fans Forum but apparently one unlucky result and everyone suddenly has short memories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 Very good article. Along with the speculation as to who emailed Cortese,I was also intrigued by : Cortese appointed Pardew after taking advice from a source whose name he will not reveal I wonder if the source was Coppell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 1 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 1 October, 2009 Very good article. Along with the speculation as to who emailed Cortese,I was also intrigued by : I wonder if the source was Coppell. Possibly but how would he know him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred kemp Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 as someone who reads to check for news, but rarely posts, mr alpine saint is a moaner extreme, i reckon if he received a cheque for a million, he would complain that its in the wrong colour ink, also for once nc speaks sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 I dont think this forum does long term though - we should be in the automatic promotion places by now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 Is it? if Cortese was that impressive, as you say, would he put up with a manager that is letting him down, as you like to say. Management who stand by their decisions even though it's obviously not working to those who share your insight have no respect for the club. At least that is what we have become use to being told isn't it? My guess is Alpine that Cortese will be next on your hit list. What a strange rationale you follow. Cortese has a plan. If it deviates to the point where the overall goal of the plan is endangered, he will take action. He obviously hasnt reached that point yet, but he may be concerned. I dont know the details or the milestones of his plan, hence the thread I started speculating on how long he will put up with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 Although I agree with your sentiments the only way we can progress to the Premiership is if we win games regularly. At the moment we are not until that happens the thought of getting to the Prmiership is not realistic and that is what is concerning some fans. We only need to win games this season to survive and rebuild John. Promotion is targetted for next season so why go on and on and on about winning games regularly 10 games into a season and after a 6 game unbeaten run bought ro end by a thrilling game in which we looked champions elect at times albeit for next season. Seriously, your point will have some relevance next season but not this as we probably only need to win another 17 of our remaining 36 matches and Cortese's plan will still be on track. With the following teams still need to be played against and twice then plenty of wins still to come, namely against: Wycombe, Tranmere, Brighton, Walsall, Exeter, Orient and we have already played 5 of the top 7. Stop the panic as you have been shrewd in your past views but 'regular wins' will come and look at November and December where apart from two tough games we will do nothing but win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 I think whatever happens, as long as these guys are in charge (Cortese/ML) we will have success of some form in the next few years. It may be with Pards, or it will be with someone else - but these guys will do everything they can to ensure we win things - any supporters of any club would be absoloutley chuffed if their owners said the same. the difference from alot of other clubs though, is that these guys have the money and so far they have talked the talk and walked the walk... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 What a strange rationale you follow. Cortese has a plan. If it deviates to the point where the overall goal of the plan is endangered, he will take action. He obviously hasnt reached that point yet, but he may be concerned. I dont know the details or the milestones of his plan, hence the thread I started speculating on how long he will put up with it. I think Pardew is part of the plan and Cortese will not take action or need to. He may be concerned but i suspect it's the panic and unreasonableness that seems to pervade the thoughts of supporters like yourself than the considered actions and development of the team by Pardew. Only those who don't go to games and rely on the jaundiced views of others cannot recognise the positive difference in the team over the past 10 games. The improvement is a fact Alpine and an indisputable one but unfortunately results haven't been kind but they will turn against a run of games against teams of dubious quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 1 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 1 October, 2009 We only need to win games this season to survive and rebuild John. Promotion is targetted for next season so why go on and on and on about winning games regularly 10 games into a season and after a 6 game unbeaten run bought ro end by a thrilling game in which we looked champions elect at times albeit for next season. Seriously, your point will have some relevance next season but not this as we probably only need to win another 17 of our remaining 36 matches and Cortese's plan will still be on track. With the following teams still need to be played against and twice then plenty of wins still to come, namely against: Wycombe, Tranmere, Brighton, Walsall, Exeter, Orient and we have already played 5 of the top 7. Stop the panic as you have been shrewd in your past views but 'regular wins' will come and look at November and December where apart from two tough games we will do nothing but win. Yes that is how I see it that way too as I dont see us failing to be in League 1 next season however I still not happy that we have had only one league win this season. So I am not in a position at the moment to praise Mr Pardew for his current efforts based on results . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 1 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 1 October, 2009 I think whatever happens, as long as these guys are in charge (Cortese/ML) we will have success of some form in the next few years. It may be with Pards, or it will be with someone else - but these guys will do everything they can to ensure we win things - any supporters of any club would be absoloutley chuffed if their owners said the same. the difference from alot of other clubs though, is that these guys have the money and so far they have talked the talk and walked the walk... Very true I dont dispute that at all but saying we plan to get there in five years is a bit cheesy. To actually plan for it is virtually impossible as there are so many factors completely outside of the conrol of the SFC board like injuries suspensions freak goals missed penalties bad decisions etc. However with good management and investment Cortese can build an environment where eventually the team will be able to move back to the Premiership sometime in the years ahead I would have thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 I think Pardew is part of the plan and Cortese will not take action or need to. He may be concerned but i suspect it's the panic and unreasonableness that seems to pervade the thoughts of supporters like yourself than the considered actions and development of the team by Pardew. Only those who don't go to games and rely on the jaundiced views of others cannot recognise the positive difference in the team over the past 10 games. The improvement is a fact Alpine and an indisputable one but unfortunately results haven't been kind but they will turn against a run of games against teams of dubious quality. Actually I am not sure we have improved much over that timescale. We have become more adept at defending set pieces and we have an aerial precence both in attack and in defence but with that some new weaknesses have also appeared. What I think I am seeing is potential, rather than an improvement. I have no doubt a fair few of our squad will leave either in January or at the end of the season and I would expect a fair few new faces in as well. Pards is testing players this year - those that make the grade will play their part in the promotion push next year and those that dont will go. A few people on here seem to have short memories. Let's not forget how bad a shape the squad was in before the takeover. It's a work in progress. Progress will be thorough and methodical. I have hope for the future, but at the present I see little improvement in the football on game day especially in the STYLE of football we are playing. I have faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonraker Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 Turning the good ship saints round was never going to happen overnight thankfully we have a Captain with a level head and and a focus on the long term future. We long suffering fans live form game to game needing the high that good perfomances and wins bring, when they are in short supply it really gets to you. Stay on course NC and guide us back to the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 1 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 1 October, 2009 Actually I am not sure we have improved much over that timescale. We have become more adept at defending set pieces and we have an aerial precence both in attack and in defence but with that some new weaknesses have also appeared. I have faith. So do Christians but they maybe wrong. I have hope which is a little different that we will one day be back in the Premiership Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 So do Christians but they maybe wrong. I have hope which is a little different that we will one day be back in the Premiership LOL, nice point about Christians but you're anaology is worng. Their faith is based on untruths. My faith is based on evidence of what I have seen with my own eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 1 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 1 October, 2009 (edited) LOL, nice point about Christians but you're anaology is worng. Their faith is based on untruths. My faith is based on evidence of what I have seen with my own eyes. Sorry I am only being pedantic nothing better to do but you could be right Faith is in general the persuasion of the mind that a certain statement is true. It is the belief and the assent of the mind to the truth of what is declared by another, based on his or her authority and truthfulness Edited 1 October, 2009 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 These paragraphs stood out for me .. "The people here have big plans for this club and I am going to be asked to deliver fairly quickly," said Pardew. "Being debt-free is a nice feeling but my over-riding emotion at the moment is that the team needs to improve." Pardew has noticed a lack of what he calls "nuts and bolts of football". He is talking about good technical players lacking the work ethic and discipline to succeed. "Just recently I did a talk to the players, I told them they must play like every game is their last. Potentially it is - one injury, one really bad performance and they may not play for the club again," he said. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ If I knew how to bold phrases, I would bold "lacking the work ethic and discipline to succeed." That for me is the problem - we knock it around but there's no urgency about our play, no desperation to win (like I see with Man U and Chelsea). The players need to get it into their heads that Pardew is right, that is he going to be here for a long time (not here today, gone tomorrow as we have seen in recent years) and have that hunger to succeed, to win games, and feel proud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 1 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 1 October, 2009 These paragraphs stood out for me .. "The people here have big plans for this club and I am going to be asked to deliver fairly quickly," said Pardew. "Being debt-free is a nice feeling but my over-riding emotion at the moment is that the team needs to improve." Pardew has noticed a lack of what he calls "nuts and bolts of football". He is talking about good technical players lacking the work ethic and discipline to succeed. "Just recently I did a talk to the players, I told them they must play like every game is their last. Potentially it is - one injury, one really bad performance and they may not play for the club again," he said. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ If I knew how to bold phrases, I would bold "lacking the work ethic and discipline to succeed." That for me is the problem - we knock it around but there's no urgency about our play, no desperation to win (like I see with Man U and Chelsea). The players need to get it into their heads that Pardew is right, that is he going to be here for a long time (not here today, gone tomorrow as we have seen in recent years) and have that hunger to succeed, to win games, and feel proud. I think success at clubs like the ones you have suggested is slightly different as the rewards for top players who are in winning teams is so great. In League 1 it is slightly different although I agree that our players should have a will to succeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 ----------------------- we knock it around but there's no urgency about our play, no desperation to win (like I see with Man U and Chelsea). The players need to get it into their heads that Pardew is right, that is he going to be here for a long time (not here today, gone tomorrow as we have seen in recent years) and have that hunger to succeed, to win games, and feel proud. In a way, i kind of saw that passion and desperation on Tuesday in the 2nd half. We came out like a team possesed, i've not seen us do that for a long long time - we just couldn't finish those big chances. At the end of the day, i can see the right things are being put in place all over the club and on the pitch. I'm frustrated as anyone that it's not happening quicker, but i think we can all be confident that it will happen eventually. - these owners will not fail. They haven't achieved their reputations from failing previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 I think Pardew is part of the plan and Cortese will not take action or need to. He may be concerned but i suspect it's the panic and unreasonableness that seems to pervade the thoughts of supporters like yourself than the considered actions and development of the team by Pardew. Only those who don't go to games and rely on the jaundiced views of others cannot recognise the positive difference in the team over the past 10 games. The improvement is a fact Alpine and an indisputable one but unfortunately results haven't been kind but they will turn against a run of games against teams of dubious quality. I somehow doubt that very much. He's his own man with his own viewpoint, influenced by his own observations and expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 Being patient and disappointed seem to go hand in hand with Southampton. My wife says its only a game, its not life and death, but its in our blood. When will the hurt subside and the exhileration of success return. I yearn for that day and soon!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 I actually laughed when reading that article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 The players should be forced to read that after Tuesdays result. They are letting everyone down. Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 Promotion in 2 seasons? So no relegation this year then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever a red and white Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 loving Markus watching the DVDS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint simes Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 Good article, also some interesting comments added about Pardew. Paul Fletchers added comment has me asking who are the players Pardew is "nearing the end of his tether with?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 How that article shows up the clowns for our wasted years... Just simple stuff, what I tend to call "corporate Bullsh1t" speak, shows the gulf in class between the "local businessman wanting to play and massage his ego" and people who actually have some understanding on how to get people to perform.. Just lol'd at the idea of Rupert having "A Trusted Advisor" and how he would have allowed everyone to have 3 different bosses so nobody knew what was going on. Will it all work? Well thank fook it is a sane sensible plan and not a revolution! Will we get to the playoffs this year - lol, right now, staying up will be good. Hopefully then we can get some players who have been trained and coached in how to play PROPER football with brains and understanding of the game instead of what we've produced of late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 I find your post a contradiction as it suggests you are impressed with Cortese but not his decision making. Apline? Contradictory? No way! :smt103 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 Excellent article. Renews my faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 The thing is, this is no different than what he and his colleagues have been saying from Day 1 and no different than what was said at the Solent Fans Forum but apparently one unlucky result and everyone suddenly has short memories. For once my controversial friend, you and I are in total agreement. Need I say more, probably not but when in Rome... I like the Swiss. Particularly Cortese. He's the epitome of professionalism and something I try (but probably fail) to emulate in my career. He is intelligent, astute, reasoned, calm, collected, patient and respectful. Liebherr and Cortese have done their homework. They have stated their intentions and Cortese has been nothing but discrete, well mannered and diplomatic ( with no undue media attention or egotistical diatribe - unlike the juvenile actions of their critically flawed predecessors). I am concerned about our lack of wins but I remain patient, believing we are at the cusp of turning the proverbial corner. Come Saturday I do expect 3 points. If by Late October we are still not managing to pick up wins then, quite rightly (imho), I will voice my concern. However, people (fans) need to keep a perspective. Nothing has changed. The Swiss have stated their intentions, much has changed within the club and will continue (for the better) and we will continue to evolve and move forwards. We are still on course, just minus a few more points than many may have expected but that is the beauty of football. The unpredictability!! I doubt many thought Wigan would beat Chelsea or Notts County (with Sol Cambell making his debut) would lose to lowly Morecambe but that's what makes football exciting. It's a long season and I truly believe if we can shake off this mental fatigue and string a few wins together, we could really go on a run. Time will tell but try and cheer and sing second half and it may make the difference. I was guilty, amongst many more, of hollering at the players second hal against Bristol but had a think. Surely, "OOOOO", "AHHHHH" and "COME ONNNN!!!!" (in frustration) and screaming at players is going to make them more nervous. We need to get past the cynicism and justified mindset and just sing and cheer our boys on. Then maybe the results will come and we're give our lads the mental edge they need! COYS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 I feel a lot more at ease having read this cortese interview. The big question: who sent him THAT email he refers to in April alerting him to the club being in admin? Oldknow? Rupert... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 Rupert... No he only sent them to himself.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 Very good article. Cortese is a man with vision and the wherewithal to get it. It shows a lot of difference between long term expectations....( upto to CCC) ... and short term disappointment (Bristol Rovers game). Some of our fan base could benefit from some of his confidence. Cortese will act if AP doesn't produce the goods - there's no way he will tolerate us in lge 2. Let's just take a look at the numbers: Last year's safety mark was 50 points. On current form we are headed for a final points total of 31-32. That would relegate us with 6-7 games to go. To reach the safety mark from our current position: Assuming no more draws for the rest of the season: We must win 17 games out of 36. That's a 47-48% win rate. Assuming say 10 more draws throughout the season: We would have to win 14 out of the 26 remaining games. That's a 53-54% win rate. Assuming our current draw rate is maintained: We'd end up drawing 28 games. We have already lost 3. We would then have to win 11 games out of 15. That's a 73-74% win rate. Our current win rate is 10%. AP had better start getting wins or he'll be out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 These paragraphs stood out for me .. "The people here have big plans for this club and I am going to be asked to deliver fairly quickly," said Pardew. "Being debt-free is a nice feeling but my over-riding emotion at the moment is that the team needs to improve." Pardew has noticed a lack of what he calls "nuts and bolts of football". He is talking about good technical players lacking the work ethic and discipline to succeed. "Just recently I did a talk to the players, I told them they must play like every game is their last. Potentially it is - one injury, one really bad performance and they may not play for the club again," he said. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ If I knew how to bold phrases, I would bold "lacking the work ethic and discipline to succeed." That for me is the problem - we knock it around but there's no urgency about our play, no desperation to win (like I see with Man U and Chelsea). The players need to get it into their heads that Pardew is right, that is he going to be here for a long time (not here today, gone tomorrow as we have seen in recent years) and have that hunger to succeed, to win games, and feel proud. So to sum up then, you are willing to highlight others lack of work ethic and discipline to succeed, yet you yourself lack the work ethic and discipline to succeed because you can' be assed to find out how to bold it - bloody typical...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 Rupert... Fact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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