Arizona Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 As the match thread is getting a bit long, reaction on here please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 Happy with that to be honest, good fight back and a penalty shoot out win showing the mental strength we missed all last year (except at Preston). Who is doing the interview on Solent by the way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmonton Saint Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 Phew...Hopefully another home tie next round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jethro Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 another win,not brilliant but another win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 Happy with that to be honest, good fight back and a penalty shoot out win showing the mental strength we missed all last year (except at Preston). Who is doing the interview on Solent by the way? Stuart Henderson i think not sure why.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 Stuart Henderson i think not sure why.... How random! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 strange game. enjoyed it though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 Can't fault them really. Shame Torquay scored a couple but apart from a 10 min spell in the first half ti sounded like one way traffic. At the end of the day, in the cup getting to the next round is all that matters. Coming back from two down could actually do more for our self-belief than comfortably seeing off a weaker team. Also, crowd of over 9,000 is excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntingdon Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 2 good things about tonight 1) We're through 2) Simon Gillett will probably leave the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 Well. Could not beat the second worst team in England in 90 mins. Bit worrying really... But we are trough so there we go. Ha gillet played his last game for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 Dean Wilkins was ill, Pardew left the stadium straight after the match for "other business" - wonder what that was about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 Thank goodness we don't come up against teams that are the same calibre as Torquay week in week out.Sarcastic rollyeye thingy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 Well. Could not beat the second worst team in England in 90 mins. Bit worrying really... But we are trough so there we go. Ha gillet played his last game for us? I'm not too worried, Trotman and Jaidi are the 2 most important players in this team IMO...so with them back, im comfortable. Lallana and Morgan give us a bit more of a cutting edge too, and so did mellis tbf - so we were lacking quite a few key players, but we're through to the quarter finals...and that's all that matters to me right now!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 Very poor first half,4-5-1 didn't work and Antonio's final ball was poor. Waigo not given the ball down the left. Gillett looked lost and must have had rubber boots on..... Decent second half, playing 4-4-2 with Waigo on the right, caused more problems and Hammond or Thomas could/should have won it with headers from corners late on. Our crossing was pretty poor all night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 Well. Could not beat the second worst team in England in 90 mins. Bit worrying really... But we are trough so there we go. Ha gillet played his last game for us? I agree, nasty first half where AP got it wrong (no matter what happened v Gillingham) Better second. Gillett was very poor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 6 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 6 October, 2009 First half we did everything but score (and let in 2 goals as Justmike pointed out ) Corners aside I think they must have scored with their only 2 attacks first half. Lambert was isolated and the midfield trio did bugger all. Playing 1 up front at home to f**king Torquay? FFS Pardew grow a pair! TBF to him, he did make exactly the substitutions I'd have made. Waigo was hopeless on the left, so Pardew moved him to the right and put a striker on for one of the CM players. We were a different team from then on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 I'm not too worried, Trotman and Jaidi are the 2 most important players in this team IMO...so with them back, im comfortable. Lallana and Morgan give us a bit more of a cutting edge too, and so did mellis tbf - so we were lacking quite a few key players, but we're through to the quarter finals...and that's all that matters to me right now!!! Agree with that I guess and we will see Friday night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 Difference between today and saturday and why 4-5-1 didn't work was that against Gillingham we had Mellis and Lallana who are 'cute' and 'busy' players, good at finding space and supporting Lambert. By contrast, the first instinct of Wotton, Gillett and Hammond is to stay put, leaving Lambert isolated. The problem is not 4-5-1 at home per se if you have the right players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 I thought our old lack of self belief was there again. The first 10 mins looked like a practice session and it was just a question of whether we would get to double figures or not. As soon as Torquay scored all the old self doubts and lack of composure seemed to return. Its another win though! lets be happy with that (5 cracking pens as well) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 First half we did everything but score (and let in 2 goals as Justmike pointed out ) Corners aside I think they must have scored with their only 2 attacks first half. Lambert was isolated and the midfield trio did bugger all. Playing 1 up front at home to f**king Torquay? FFS Pardew grow a pair! TBF to him, he did make exactly the substitutions I'd have made. Waigo was hopeless on the left, so Pardew moved him to the right and put a striker on for one of the CM players. We were a different team from then on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 Difference between today and saturday and why 4-5-1 didn't work was that against Gillingham we had Mellis and Lallana who are 'cute' and 'busy' players, good at finding space and supporting Lambert. By contrast, the first instinct of Wotton, Gillett and Hammond is to stay put, leaving Lambert isolated. The problem is not 4-5-1 at home per se if you have the right players. I think this was what saint stevo meant when he got a daft reply of "well, it worked on Saturday" I think stevo wa hoping pards would have known the players out there could not have done what lallana an mellis do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 I think this was what saint stevo meant when he got a daft reply of "well, it worked on Saturday" I think stevo wa hoping pards would have known the players out there could not have done what lallana an mellis do Exactly. Tailoring a formation to your players/opposition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 well to be fair to pards the team in the 1st half should have done alot better but it didnt so credit for changing it and having a go. Papa makes me laugh, he looks so awkward and clueless but he is scoring goals and gets into positions. Agree with the Gillett shout, awful again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellgirl Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 Not a great game but the kids loved the penalties,good turn out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 Arizona on the match thread... "Doubt we'll get much traffic checking in on this one, so just the one thread. Personally I'd give a few players the night off, given how we've got 3 games in 7 days." Then 12 pages! I was out at footie training, so were the depressives out in force? Looks like saints gave them good cause to moan tonight! I think shurlock has given a plausible explanation, so do people agree? I always used to think Gillet was a busy player but he isn't attack minded. Perhaps just unfit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 Waigo scored 2 of the worst goals i have ever seen as well! Made me laugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO31 Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 Absolutely shocking performance to tell the truth. First goal was a comedy of errors for Torquay with their first real attack, after that we fell apart. We couldn't pass forward, crossed from to shallow and seemed scared of the ball. Second half was salvaged by Papa who seemed the only Saint ready to run (I don't think Lambert won a header all night long). Torquay should have wrapped it up in the second half with a one on one and a free header, I think they will be miffed they didn't win it to be fare. If this is how we play against the second worst club side in the English league then we are up $hit creek without a canoe let alone an oar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 6 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 6 October, 2009 Player ratings: Davis - 6 The penalty save pushed his score up, but he was in no-mans land for their first goal and could easily have gone off for the penalty. James - 8 Looked pretty decent IMO and put some decent crosses in second half. Worked well with Waigo, but looked on a different planet to Antonio. Thomas - 6 got beaten in the air a lot more than I'd have liked. Perry - 5 Too old, slow and short. Harding - 7 Decent enough game, although not comfortable with Waigo Antonio - 7 After 5 minutes I thought we'd found the new Paine. Turned out to be the new Fernandes. Brilliant in moments, but final deliveries looked a bit suspect. Has pace to burn though, a promising debut IMO. Wotton - 5 Solid, winning penalty... erm... Hammond - 7 More effective than his two central partners. Ran the show more in the second half. Gillett - 4 Painful watching such a popular player being so poor. Waigo - 8 MOTM 5 for the first half, 10 for the second. Dear Santa. I have been a good boy this year and scored lots of goals. Please may I have a left for Christmas. Well taken goals and pen. Lambert - 7 Lonely and disinterested in the first half. When Saga turned up to the party he perked up a bit. Mills - 7 Left feet on the left. Simples! Saga - 6 Added another body. Things just seem to stick up front with him in there, even if his own personal performance wasn't anything to write home about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 If we had lost tonight we would have deserved it! We were not good at all. Saving grace was Waigo in the second half. If it wasn't for him we would ave lost no question. Gillett - all the people on here chamioning for him to be playing will need to re-evaluate the comment. On tonights performance he was terrible, completly the opposite to last season. It wasn't just about passing going atsray or mis-timed tackles, he pass passing the ball to no-one. And it was his bad playthat led to the penalty. I am sure that many on here will call me lots of idiotic names and say that I am wrong, but stick and stones and all that. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 Most importantly, does this count as a win or a draw on the prediction league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackedoff Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 Would be interesting to know if there,s a single team/collection of eleven players out there which would fail to score against us in a match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 Also how many times did we NOT get to the byline when there was no-one in front of the player?? James some good crosses but ALL from the wrong area of the pitch. As soon as he got to the edge of the box or deeper, he crossed. Easy for defending really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVR_Fan Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 It is a shame, we did not play in the first half, like we did in the second half. Because after we scored are first goal of the night, it looked like the players wanted to win the game. But I am glad with the win, even if it came on penalties. Along with that, I think it was great Kelvin Davis got back up. After hitting his head against the crossbar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 Also how many times did we NOT get to the byline when there was no-one in front of the player?? James some good crosses but ALL from the wrong area of the pitch. As soon as he got to the edge of the box or deeper, he crossed. Easy for defending really. That's the one thing that bugs me about him, he always stops...way back from the box, and either retreats or puts an easy ball into the box that's headed away. That's why it didn't work with him playing right midfield, he's not adventurous enough - more of a defensive minded player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 Davis 6- Clearly called 'Keepers' for the first, then missed it and they scored. Gave away the pen, looked a tad harsh. James 7- Very good IMO, puts the ball in the wrong place in the 'D' for corners..... Perry 6- Did ok, opened up for the goal,a bit flat footed at times Thomas 6- Should have scored. Flat footed also at times, few fouls given away in dangerous areas Harding 7- Wants the ball from Davis, helps build the attacks etc. Did well. Waigo 8- Poor in first half, not in it. Good in second. Scruffy goals, but they all count. Gillet 4- Poor passing and control. Lost. Wotton 6- Hussle bussle but poor distribution. Hammond 7- Neat and tidy, good running and workrate Antonio 5- Good runner, awful end product. Over hit crosses time after time. Lambert 6- All alone in first half, no support at all. Did ok holding it up etc Subs- Saga 6- Doesn't look like scoring, looked a bit more interested though. Ran around a fair bit charging down etc Mills 6- Did ok. Didn't get by his man once though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 Just back Well not sure what to say really. Was a bit of a wierd one. First 15-20 mins we were outstanding just couldn't get a goal. They had 1 attack and some how the ball is bundled in very odd fashion. Will be interesting to see the replay as i have no clue what happened. We start again and do well and again they break out with a potential offside and Davis took their guy down. He was lucky to be on the pitch i felt but to be fair there were defenders recovering so it could go either way. 0-2. Second half thankfully Pardew changed it about as we could not create the clear cut chances we needed. Going 4-4-2 and taking off Gillet helped a lot. I thought Antonio did okay but was very raw. Hard to judge him on 45mins really. With that play resumes and we are again in total control. Our possesion for the game must be 80% or something. Thankfully our pressure paid off with Waigo getting his 2 goals. We should of scored again with Hammond hitting the bar and Thomas missing with a header that was about an inch wise. Lambert did well from a free kick too. They had 2 excellent chances to re-take the lead and they should of took them, they were unlucky. Penalties is a lottery as they say but all of ours were superb. Overall i think we deserved to win. First half they had like 2 runs into our half and took 2 chances which were fortunate, especially the first one. We showed character to come back and if this was past few seasons we would of lost. The players would of given up. But they didn't so fair play to them. Pardew's changes worked again. Now the negatives. 4-5-1 is a bit of a negative tactic but with the players out there it made sense. We lacked the creative side to midfield and i think this is what we missed. If you bring Morgan,Lallana,Mellis into that game it would of been a hamering. We dominated it. However i think Wotten should no longer be apart of the first team. I know that is harsh and he scored the winning penalty but he was the main reason for our un-doings. His passing is **** poor. We got into some excellent positions where the right decision would of been a simple pass to the guy next to you but nope he tries to hit a cross ball and 9 times out of 10 it went straight to their guy. He is not that type of player and it iritates me to see him try. His sloppy passing could of cost us. Without sounding harsh Gillett is ****. I could of passed the ball better then he could. I am pretty clear in my mind now that Gillett,Wotten,Saga,Pullis,Forecast,Molyneux,Patterson are players who should probably be shipped out and better ones brought in. So not the best performance we have put in, but we deserved to win and highlights how few actual creative players we have at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 6 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 6 October, 2009 Lloyd James is Paul Telfer. They even look pretty similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 Theire right winger should have scored late on. Massive chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Um Bongo Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 If we get drawn at home next round, would the club consider creating an 'Adult Only' zone? Sat in the Northam surrounded by ****ing 12 year olds slamming chairs down and constantly moving in and out of the row with no ****ing parents, little ****s. Onto the game: Gillett was awful, Hammond not as effective as normal. Wagio did well, though I have to laugh at his goals. Why did Mills come on? He was suppose to play left midfield, he didnt. We had no width yet again, which is our main problem. Davis had a shocker. Perry + Thomas looked dodgey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 St Marco has made the important point. 4-5-1 is far too negative and Pardew needs to learn the lesson. Going through on a penalty competition is not a win. I'm becoming convinced that we need a DoF to hold Pards to acount. Not a change of manager but a change in the way the manager does his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samski saint Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 Enjoyed the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVR_Fan Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 If we get drawn at home next round, would the club consider creating an 'Adult Only' zone? Sat in the Northam surrounded by ****ing 12 year olds slamming chairs down and constantly moving in and out of the row with no ****ing parents, little ****s. Onto the game: Gillett was awful, Hammond not as effective as normal. Wagio did well, though I have to laugh at his goals. Why did Mills come on? He was suppose to play left midfield, he didnt. We had no width yet again, which is our main problem. Davis had a shocker. Perry + Thomas looked dodgey.I saw that, mainly because I was seated in Block 39 - Row Z - Seat 1023. Other then that, I think the atmosphere was great tonight. Mainly after we got the second goal to make it 2-2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 (edited) St Marco has made the important point. 4-5-1 is far too negative and Pardew needs to learn the lesson. Going through on a penalty competition is not a win. I'm becoming convinced that we need a DoF to hold Pards to acount. Not a change of manager but a change in the way the manager does his job. Saint_clark will shoot you down for questioning 4-5-1 No need for it tonight. Not with that personnel. AP needs to improve tactically IMO Edited 6 October, 2009 by saint_stevo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 St Marco has made the important point. 4-5-1 is far too negative and Pardew needs to learn the lesson. Going through on a penalty competition is not a win. I'm becoming convinced that we need a DoF to hold Pards to acount. Not a change of manager but a change in the way the manager does his job. As i also mentioned though Pardew changed the tactics about and they paid off. As easy it is to think 4-5-1 was wrong it was in my book the right call. We did it at the weekend and hammered a better team. The problem was Gillett,Hammond,Wotten are not creative players, they are too similar. The formation works just that the guy who was meant to be the creative spark (Gillett) had a nightmare. We might as well of not had him on the pitch he was that poor. So i don't think Pardew could of done anything that he did not already do. Our problem as i mentioned is we lack central creative players who have pace. We didn't have any out there today. But have to also remember their first goal was a total scramble, no skill to it, a fluke of a goal. Their 2nd was from a penalty. If we take away those 2 incidents they basically had 11 people in their goal with no desire to come out and attack. We had something like what 12 corners in the first half? If we can get Saga out and get a young nippy forward in who can come off the bench at say 65mins to play along a front group of Mellis,LallanaLambert,Waigo,Morgan we will rip teams apart. Taking Mellis,Lallana and Morgan out pretty much killed our creative threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 No Gillett on the poll? As one of his sponsors I wanted to vote for him even though I wasn't there. What's the point of a poll if it can't be rigged....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northant Saint Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 Saint_clark will shoot you down for questioning 4-5-1 No need for it tonight. Not with that personnel. AP needs to improve tactically IMO But the important thing is that he did change it. You've become too negative of late stevo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 ah well we are through...wouldnt care if we won every round including the final on pens. Bit worrying about going 2-0 down but Perry and Thomas are not a sound defensive partnership and Jaidi and Trotman are a more solid pair. Also Davis seems a bit out of form at the moment? Showed some ****** to come back from 2-0 down so some belief in the team maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 But the important thing is that he did change it. You've become too negative of late stevo... Why start with it though!? Perhaps, i just expect a bit more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 ah well we are through...wouldnt care if we won every round including the final on pens. Bit worrying about going 2-0 down but Perry and Thomas are not a sound defensive partnership and Jaidi and Trotman are a more solid pair. Also Davis seems a bit out of form at the moment? Showed some ****** to come back from 2-0 down so some belief in the team maybe. Has made some bad decisions, not sure it is a form issue tbf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints Warrior Posted 6 October, 2009 Share Posted 6 October, 2009 Fittness still low, closing down none existant. But its a win and we got back into the game after being dead and buried in the first half. penalty takesr were spot on, class pens. A wins a Win..well done saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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