SOTONS EAST SIDE Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 Thoughts on who we should sign, and area's we think still need to be strengthend! Trotman & Antonio are my choices, and maybe good back up's in the LB and RB positions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 I think we'll shift more than we bring in and, for the first time ever, I think we'l be happy about it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 If it were up to me... Shift - Molyneux, Pulis, Forecast, Perry, Holmes and Saga. Not loans, let them go. On a free if nescessary. None of them have a future here and they're just using up space and wages. It's with regret that I'd let Saga go as he has been terrific at times, but he is too much like Connelly and I can't see him getting his form back here. Bring in - Antonio and Trottman (permanently would be brilliant, both our young and Saints could easily match what Reading and PNE can offer them in the not to distant future.) I'd also like a left winger and right back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 Shift: Molyneux, Pulis, Gillett, Saganowski, Forecast and Lancashire. I'd be delighted with just Trotman in the January window tbh. Quality player. But based on Antonio's performance on Saturday - Yes please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wightman35 Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 Are we going to send the lists to Santa? Getting our loanees on contracts would be good. Off loading unwanted "presents" as carefully wrapped parcels to other clubs may not be seasonally generous but would leave a warm glow around here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 Antonio and trotman and not lose anyone decent. Shift out a lot of the deadwood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 this weeks pre match comments had AP saying I like a couple of MK Dons players. That made me feel there were a couple that he was seriously looking at. David McCracken looked a decent centre back to me, Easter is obviously a threat and I've rated Jason Puncheon during his Barnet days (I thought we should have gine for him) and he might be available to buy from Plymouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under Weststand Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 I'd be more than happy if we could tie up permanent deals for Trottman & Antonio. As said we need to move quite a few of the above mentioned out & I think AP will do just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 If it were up to me... Shift - Molyneux, Pulis, Forecast, Perry, Holmes and Saga. Not loans, let them go. On a free if nescessary. None of them have a future here and they're just using up space and wages. It's with regret that I'd let Saga go as he has been terrific at times, but he is too much like Connelly and I can't see him getting his form back here. Bring in - Antonio and Trottman (permanently would be brilliant, both our young and Saints could easily match what Reading and PNE can offer them in the not to distant future.) I'd also like a left winger and right back. And why would Molyneux and the others leave on a free? Who wants to pay the salaries they are earning? So why would they walk out of the club when they are earning perfectly good money here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 Trotman is a must sign, he's working so well with Jaidi at the back it'd be a shame to lose him, because we'd have to put the work back in to gelling our defence with a new CB, or settling for lesser quality players such as Perry and Thomas, who aren't on the same level as Trotman. If Preston are as precariously balanced financially as I hear they are, i'm sure they'd take 500k for a player who was warming the bench, can no longer be considered a 'youngster' and has had a spat with the manager. Whilst I also rate Lloyd James, I don't think he's the best long-term solution for RB. He certainly has talent, but whether he could cut it at a higher level is to be debated. My opinion is that Murty has had it now, unfortunately for us, and James should be viewed as a back-up. We need a pacy RB who can attack and overlap, but will not be caught short (for want of better words) when it comes to defending. Would also love to see Jason Puncheon here, I really rate him. He would definitely be a force in this league, he would be key in the CCC and could probably even play a part in the Prem, if we do get back there eventually! If unforseen circumstances prevented Papa from joining us at the end of the season (which is what we should be definitely aiming for), then we should aim for this guy. Pace, technique, attitude, he's got it all I think. One thing though, I don't think we should get rid of Holmes (Arizona, i'm talking to you!). He's been unlucky with injuries and spent a lot of time on the treatment table, but that doesn't make him any less talented. Fact is, he's the best naturally left sided player at this club barr Harding, and he needs the chance to prove that. Lallana is not a winger, and while he's playing fantastically in that position at the moment, he's not going to be able to maintain that form forever. Holmes needs the chance to step in and show what he can do. I do agree about your other choices though, Perry is far too old (37 now is he?), Saga clearly wants away, and the other 3 are just bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wightman35 Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 And why would Molyneux and the others leave on a free? Who wants to pay the salaries they are earning? So why would they walk out of the club when they are earning perfectly good money here? In other words, we are stuck with them? We could perhaps buy out their contracts but that is expensive. Maybe less costly than keeping unsettled staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 And why would Molyneux and the others leave on a free? Who wants to pay the salaries they are earning? So why would they walk out of the club when they are earning perfectly good money here? Most of those players were signed under Lowe, i.e. low wages. I can't see it being much of an object. Even if we still have to pay 50% of their wages for the remainder of their contracts, it's still 50% saved compared to having them here on full whack doing bugger all. One thing though, I don't think we should get rid of Holmes (Arizona, i'm talking to you!). He's been unlucky with injuries and spent a lot of time on the treatment table, but that doesn't make him any less talented. Fact is, he's the best naturally left sided player at this club barr Harding, and he needs the chance to prove that. Lallana is not a winger, and while he's playing fantastically in that position at the moment, he's not going to be able to maintain that form forever. Holmes needs the chance to step in and show what he can do. I do agree about your other choices though, Perry is far too old (37 now is he?), Saga clearly wants away, and the other 3 are just bad. That's pretty much why I want him out. In nearly a year and a half here, he's barely been fit to play half a dosen games. He is the new Powell/Pahars/Belmadi Even when he is fit, he isn't much to write home about. Too slow IMO and doesn't have any kind of trick to beat a man. I'd rate Mills higher two and I also stated in my previous post I'd like another LW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 Out - Pulis, Lancadire, Forecast, molyneux, Saga, Gillet at the right price. In - Perhaps a RB (depends on Murty and James' potential), Trotman permanently, Papa permanently (at the right price), Antonio (season loan). Perhaps Perry offered more of a coaching role ?? We also need to watch out for the likes of Mills etc becoming want away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tac-tics Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 Allready a thread on this.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 I'd get rid of Saga and bring in Barnard from Southend, they're subject to a winding up order on Wednesday, so would snap our fingers off for 200-500k. i'd then go and bring in a DM...depends on the positions of the teams and if Charlton have tailed off or not, but i wouldn't be surprised to see us go in for Racon at Charlton. ...oh and obviously either extending the loan or buying trotts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JibMcdo Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 I can't start a new thread but Jake Thomson has gone on loan to Torquay on a month's loan: http://www.torquayunited.com/page/News/0,,10445~1838268,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 27 October, 2009 Share Posted 27 October, 2009 And why would Molyneux and the others leave on a free? Who wants to pay the salaries they are earning? So why would they walk out of the club when they are earning perfectly good money here? Exactly. People talk about "shifting" them. They would need their contracts paying up in full or a negotiated settlement. If we're paying their salaries in full, there's no saving by asking them to leave. That's employment law - unless for gross misconduct they have breached their contracts resulting in dismissal .... and not making the first team won't count as misconduct! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 27 October, 2009 Share Posted 27 October, 2009 Moritz Volz, Sam Baldock, Albert Adamoah and obviously Trotman and Antonio for however long we can keep them. Andy Bishop at Bury might be worth a look. Oh, and Arron Davies from Forest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakovnetski Posted 27 October, 2009 Share Posted 27 October, 2009 If it were up to me... Shift - Molyneux, Pulis, Forecast, Perry, Holmes and Saga. Not loans, let them go. On a free if nescessary. None of them have a future here and they're just using up space and wages. It's with regret that I'd let Saga go as he has been terrific at times, but he is too much like Connelly and I can't see him getting his form back here. Bring in - Antonio and Trottman (permanently would be brilliant, both our young and Saints could easily match what Reading and PNE can offer them in the not to distant future.) I'd also like a left winger and right back. Cant see the point of getting rid of an experienced left winger like Holmes who has proved he has the skills at this level and above before he got injured. Give him some more time yet. I think he will come good again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 27 October, 2009 Share Posted 27 October, 2009 And why would Molyneux and the others leave on a free? Who wants to pay the salaries they are earning? So why would they walk out of the club when they are earning perfectly good money here? Agree that is a difficult problem. The only thing Pards can do is to tell them that there is no future for them at SMS and they must look for another club now. The alternative is to get forgotton in the reserves so no club would have heard of them and thus their wages will reduce substantially when they are out of contract. Similarly there will be numerous players looking for clubs at the end of the season and therefore they may not find a club at all, if they leave it to then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogerfryisalegend Posted 27 October, 2009 Share Posted 27 October, 2009 Trotman and Antonio would be very nice, I would also really like to see us sign Moritz Volz - who still has no club and is only 26. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 27 October, 2009 Share Posted 27 October, 2009 Cant see the point of getting rid of an experienced left winger like Holmes who has proved he has the skills at this level and above before he got injured. Give him some more time yet. I think he will come good again. He is constantly injured and in the time he is fit Pardew clearly doesn't rate him. Can't say I do either if I'm honnest. Exactly. People talk about "shifting" them. They would need their contracts paying up in full or a negotiated settlement. If we're paying their salaries in full, there's no saving by asking them to leave. That's employment law - unless for gross misconduct they have breached their contracts resulting in dismissal .... and not making the first team won't count as misconduct! I'm on about selling them or giving them away for free to another club. Nobody is suggesting to just pay their contracts up right now, that's pointless. I'm sure if a player realised he was unwanted here, his agent would find him another club somewhere else. One more HCDAJFU would be Pele. Still without a club and I think he is a much better holding midfielder than Wotton. Better in the air, good on the ball and very hard to knock off it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 27 October, 2009 Share Posted 27 October, 2009 In other words, we are stuck with them? We could perhaps buy out their contracts but that is expensive. Maybe less costly than keeping unsettled staff. You've got it. I've been arguing for some time against the naive idea that you can just get rid of players when you've had enough of them. First of all you need somebody that is interested in them, which is not easy if they can't even get themselves on the fringes of a League 1 team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 27 October, 2009 Share Posted 27 October, 2009 Most of those players were signed under Lowe, i.e. low wages. I can't see it being much of an object. Even if we still have to pay 50% of their wages for the remainder of their contracts, it's still 50% saved compared to having them here on full whack doing bugger all. That's pretty much why I want him out. In nearly a year and a half here, he's barely been fit to play half a dosen games. He is the new Powell/Pahars/Belmadi Even when he is fit, he isn't much to write home about. Too slow IMO and doesn't have any kind of trick to beat a man. I'd rate Mills higher two and I also stated in my previous post I'd like another LW. I think it may be worse than that and we may have to pay up their contracts. Any saving on that is a bonus, but let's not believe we can just ship them out, because we can't. We have undertaken to pay them a wage for a number of years and can't just get out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 27 October, 2009 Share Posted 27 October, 2009 Give the Brady bunch to Eastleigh, Bashley or Totton as a xmas present...Job Lot so to speak..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 27 October, 2009 Share Posted 27 October, 2009 I think we'll shift more than we bring in and, for the first time ever, I think we'l be happy about it! agreed - too much dead weight knocking about the place. free up some squad space and maybe just secure Trottman or similar and one more dependant on form a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danish Saint Posted 27 October, 2009 Share Posted 27 October, 2009 Deja vu, as there are dozens of threads about tranfers, who to keep, who to go..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eklund86 Posted 27 October, 2009 Share Posted 27 October, 2009 Out - Pulis, Lancadire, Forecast, molyneux, Saga, Gillet at the right price. In - Perhaps a RB (depends on Murty and James' potential), Trotman permanently, Papa permanently (at the right price), Antonio (season loan). Perhaps Perry offered more of a coaching role ?? We also need to watch out for the likes of Mills etc becoming want away. Agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 27 October, 2009 Share Posted 27 October, 2009 You've got it. I've been arguing for some time against the naive idea that you can just get rid of players when you've had enough of them. First of all you need somebody that is interested in them, which is not easy if they can't even get themselves on the fringes of a League 1 team. I think it may be worse than that and we may have to pay up their contracts. Any saving on that is a bonus, but let's not believe we can just ship them out, because we can't. We have undertaken to pay them a wage for a number of years and can't just get out of it. I still don't think you've quite got it... :-s I am not saying we can just fire them and not pay them a penny. Nobody is. We tell them they are not wanted here and they find another club. Molyneux, Pulis etc will not be on high wages. They were signed under Lowe when we didn't have 2 quid to rub together. We give them away to another club, probably in League 2 or at the arse end of League 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Mabes Posted 27 October, 2009 Share Posted 27 October, 2009 One more HCDAJFU would be Pele. Still without a club and I think he is a much better holding midfielder than Wotton. Better in the air, good on the ball and very hard to knock off it. I agree, hated Pele at CB, but thought he had real potential as a Defensive midfielder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 27 October, 2009 Share Posted 27 October, 2009 One more HCDAJFU would be Pele. Still without a club and I think he is a much better holding midfielder than Wotton. Better in the air, good on the ball and very hard to knock off it. I agree, hated Pele at CB, but thought he had real potential as a Defensive midfielder +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 28 October, 2009 Share Posted 28 October, 2009 How about Bopp on that free!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 28 October, 2009 Share Posted 28 October, 2009 How about Bopp on that free!!!!!!!!!!! good idea - Pompey clearly see him as CCC standard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint J 77 Posted 28 October, 2009 Share Posted 28 October, 2009 I like most of us on here hope we sign up Trotman but who else will be realistic targets for us in January? Which top players from other league one clubs might come and sign up to Saints play off charge? Are there more players of the quality of Ricky Lambert and Dean Hammond that we could snap up and that would want to sign for us? Are there any names of players we could make a serious offer for from our promotion rivals throwing a spanner in their bid to go up at the same time really strengthening us, and would they leave to join us? I am looking forward to January to find out, I wonder where we will be by then in the league? Hopefully we will be well out of the bottom four by then, still on our winning streak. Anyone heard any decent rumours recently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 28 October, 2009 Share Posted 28 October, 2009 Anyone heard any decent rumours recently? Well we could asset strip Pompey, but I guess the idea is to improve the squad, isn't it? :smt080 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 28 October, 2009 Share Posted 28 October, 2009 I think we should sign lovely Leeds United. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 28 October, 2009 Share Posted 28 October, 2009 Saw Jacob Mellis last night and he was on about staying for the season so i'm hoping we sort his loan deal out in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 28 October, 2009 Share Posted 28 October, 2009 Saw Jacob Mellis last night and he was on about staying for the season so i'm hoping we sort his loan deal out in January. Good news that, depth will be key, and after seeing him a few times think he has a good future with saints or not (hope saints). COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 October, 2009 Share Posted 28 October, 2009 Saw Jacob Mellis last night and he was on about staying for the season so i'm hoping we sort his loan deal out in January. What for? to be on our bench? Chelsea won't weather that.Mellis isn't needed just now so not much point in him hanging around.We should be sorting out Trotman first and then start thinking about the substitutes bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 28 October, 2009 Share Posted 28 October, 2009 What for? to be on our bench? Chelsea won't weather that.Mellis isn't needed just now so not much point in him hanging around.We should be sorting out Trotman first and then start thinking about the substitutes bench. Don't agree when he has played he has been very good and it is a long season, we will see him play more often, don't forget spider sometimes needs rest and as he is a defencive midfielder why not put him there for PW and play Mellis next to Hammond. I know you may think he is not good enough but I tell you he is + If champ man 3 was still about that is what I would do . PS Just my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 28 October, 2009 Share Posted 28 October, 2009 What for? to be on our bench? Chelsea won't weather that.Mellis isn't needed just now so not much point in him hanging around.We should be sorting out Trotman first and then start thinking about the substitutes bench. If one of our current midfielders (Wotton, Hammond, Morgan) gets injured, who do you expect to fill in? And I say fill in very lightly. He's a better player than Wotton, a better footballer and prospect than Hammond and is a better attacking option than Morgan. Before he went to play for England Under 19's he was first choice ahead of Wotton and he scored in every game he played for England that week. Shh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 28 October, 2009 Share Posted 28 October, 2009 was in starting 11 in our first good performances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 28 October, 2009 Share Posted 28 October, 2009 Played well when played in the center of midfield and only lost his place when away with England U19. Certainly not a wide player, but hey! send him packing, no ones going to be injured or suspended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 28 October, 2009 Share Posted 28 October, 2009 We should sign Eugen Bopp. He's out of contract so we could sign him now. If he never plays i would love the irony of it all...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 28 October, 2009 Share Posted 28 October, 2009 We should sign Eugen Bopp. He's out of contract so we could sign him now. If he never plays i would love the irony of it all...... Yea I put that earlier, would be sooo funny, as he is on a free though should it be possible? I know we are in league 1 but we are winning, COYR. PS Is he any good? as in why is he on a free from Crew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 28 October, 2009 Share Posted 28 October, 2009 Yea I put that earlier, would be sooo funny, as he is on a free though should it be possible? I know we are in league 1 but we are winning, COYR. PS Is he any good? as in why is he on a free from Crew. Sorry, Joe! Don't care if he's good or bad, just get hijm and get himn serving beer if he can't play, just for the laugh! Priceless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 28 October, 2009 Share Posted 28 October, 2009 Think we could do much worse than signing melis at the right price, he obviously has a good future ahead of him and think he has looked good in the games he has played. Definately agree with strength in depth. I personally see him as having more potential than antonio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 28 October, 2009 Share Posted 28 October, 2009 Sorry, Joe! Don't care if he's good or bad, just get hijm and get himn serving beer if he can't play, just for the laugh! Priceless. If he can serve beer then he would be priceless because that would be a first for St Mary's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 28 October, 2009 Share Posted 28 October, 2009 I agree with all the suggested exits and hope that this can be achieved at least by Jan ! Squad additions should only be made if players of better quality (than what we currently have) become available ! We have a decent first 11 at the moment, but having had a pretty good injury free run we should prepare for the next phase in advance ! That said, I have every confidence in the management team to do the right thing (now it's a long time since I've been able to say that !). COYS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(not THE) Kevin Moore Posted 28 October, 2009 Share Posted 28 October, 2009 That's pretty much why I want him out. In nearly a year and a half here, he's barely been fit to play half a dosen games. He is the new Powell/Pahars/Belmadi Even when he is fit, he isn't much to write home about. Too slow IMO and doesn't have any kind of trick to beat a man. I'd rate Mills higher two and I also stated in my previous post I'd like another LW. It's not often this happens but I'm with you on Holmes, a tidy player and is good on the ball but often injured and just not in any way quick, I do think he has the skills to beat a man he just can't accelerate away from them. I would love us to sign a pacey wide man to give us pace down both flanks and to balance out our play. Would really like a new RB as well and your comment re Pele was a good one, he was a good holding CM, good on the ball and strong (think he's another 6t+er as well).... just don't let him anywhere near our penalty area.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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