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warsash saint

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SHOULD we make the final, is it just me, or would anyone else be disappointed if will did not meet Leeds in the final ?

 

Playing Carlisle in a half empty Wembley does not excite me too much whereas you know if we play Leeds then the ground would be full with a far, far better atmos. Yeah we have more chance of beating Carlisle but thats too much too brag about.

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Liquidshokk

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I'm a bit worried about tonight as well.

 

I hope the amount of players injured and cup tied doesn't force Pardew into playing too negative a side.

 

Glad it's over two legs, hopefully we will have the majority of our players back and a couple of new signings.

 

I get a feeling we may be in for a shock scoreline tonight.

 

One way :) or another :(

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Yes, but Wembley is Wembley.

 

Exactly. Aside from a potential play-off final, we and the players alike will probably never have a better chance to get there.

 

And yes, it may only be the JPT, but it's still a piece of silverware. It'll keep the FA Cup company. :-D Might as well make the most of this league while we're down here...

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If Carlisle make it they will bring down their full allocation as they did a few years ago to another cup/playoff final so it wont be half empty, anyone from the town would suddenly become a fanatic supporter just to get to wembley.

 

I dont really care who we play as long as we are there, common boys do us proud tonight

 

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The9

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Am I right in thinking we get more tickets if the other club don't take/sell the full allocation?

 

Not necessarily, but there's always the possibility, depending on segregation - and seeing as it's a brand spanking new ground you'd expect it to be very configurable.

 

All the better for it being an non-Club Wembley event, that's 15000 tickets for "resale" right there. And the low profile will ensure that there's not a wodge going to the "football community" or "corporate sponsors", etc.

 

If we get there it'll probably be the most tickets we EVER get for a match at Wembley, and if we play Carlisle we might get more than half of the 90k.

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Farcking hell, I didn't realise Carlisle beat Leeds 2-1 away?! I don't mind who we get in the final, AS LONG AS WE GET THERE. We're not there yet, MK Dons were sh!te when they came down to SMS, but that won't be the case tonight... Carlisle or Leeds, who cares, we have to beat MK Dons over two legs first and that's the most important thing.

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Couldn't care less who we play at Wembley (should we get there), I would just love us to bring home a trophy in ML and AP's first season. Anyone who was at the ZDS final knows that on the day it's a proper cup final, Wembley is Wembley, and everyone will be fired up to win.

 

Some company for the infamous samurai sword in the SFC trophy cabinet (sic) may well placate NC for a while...

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once_bitterne

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What a final for the sky broadcast.

 

 

Carlisle v the dons.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

;-)

 

Will be a massive let down for them after the big matches the final has had for them in past years!

 

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I just clicked that Carlisle link to Wikipedia, my god there's some rubbish in that article :

 

The writing was on the wall for Carlisle after they lost 18 of their first 21 Division Three games of the 2003-04 season. Manager Paul Simpson did all he could to salvage something from the next 25 fixtures, but couldn't quite achieve safety - 40 points from a possible 75 were effectively rendered meaningless due to Carlisle's appalling first four months of the season. Had they performed as well during the first half of the campaign as they did during the second, then they would have featured in the promotion push. Carlisle United thus became the first club to compete in all top five tiers of the English football league system (Oxford United and Luton Town, both League Cup winners, have since followed).

 

I dunno what criteria they're using for that, but Wimbledon sure as hell played in the top level of non-League and all 4 League divisions long before Carlisle dropped into the Conference... plus if they're arguing that the Southern League that Wimbledon won "didn't count as it wasn't the Conference", then Carlisle only played in Division 1 and not the Premier League.

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I just clicked that Carlisle link to Wikipedia, my god there's some rubbish in that article :

 

The writing was on the wall for Carlisle after they lost 18 of their first 21 Division Three games of the 2003-04 season. Manager Paul Simpson did all he could to salvage something from the next 25 fixtures, but couldn't quite achieve safety - 40 points from a possible 75 were effectively rendered meaningless due to Carlisle's appalling first four months of the season. Had they performed as well during the first half of the campaign as they did during the second, then they would have featured in the promotion push. Carlisle United thus became the first club to compete in all top five tiers of the English football league system (Oxford United and Luton Town, both League Cup winners, have since followed).

 

I dunno what criteria they're using for that, but Wimbledon sure as hell played in the top level of non-League and all 4 League divisions long before Carlisle dropped into the Conference... plus if they're arguing that the Southern League that Wimbledon won "didn't count as it wasn't the Conference", then Carlisle only played in Division 1 and not the Premier League.

 

 

Well they were

 

Wimbledon were in the Southern League and there was not automatic promotion like today a little pedantic I know but true never the less

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Well they were

 

Wimbledon were in the Southern League and there was not automatic promotion like today a little pedantic I know but true never the less

 

That's not what it says. It says "the first club to play in the top 5 divisions", which has nothing to do with automatic promotion (in fact it includes two subsequent teams who have never been automatically promoted out of non-League to strengthen this point).

 

In 1977 when Wimbledon went up (elected) into the FL, they won the Southern League which was (along with the Northern Premier League) the top non-League division at the time. They subsequently played in the top 4 divisions (1-4) AND the Premier League, which is a division in which Carlisle have never played.

 

They can't argue semantics in their favour over the Conference/Southern League/top non-League division but equally argue that the Premier/Old Div 1 distinction doesn't count as it works against them.

 

You either count Div1-4 and the top non-League division(s) of the time as "top 5 divisions" or you count Prem-Lge 2 and BSPrem as "top 5 divisions", (or some combination when they were rebranding in between, eg Prem,Div1,Div2, Div3, Conf) - you can't pick and choose which top 5 divisions count to make it suit the argument just because the Conference Carlisle played in wasn't the top division and didn't even exist when Wimbledon did it.

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the mick channon windmill

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Should not underestimate the support that carlisile would take for the final. They do get small attendances in this league like most clubs do but they have quite a large supporter base and have proven they will take around 30,000 in previous finals.

 

Carlisle is a similar size town to burnley, blackburn or bolton etc who are all currently in the prem and they would get similar size crowds as these clubs if they were also in the prem a bit like oldham did a few years ago

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Would prefer Carlisle I think. Having c. 70,000 at Wembley and being odds-on favourites to win is preferable I think to having c. 80,000 and being slight underdogs.

 

But MK Dons are no walkover.

 

The betfair odds on each team winning the trophy are:

 

Carlisle 2.3

Saints 3.1

Leeds 3.5

MK Dons 3.5

 

I derive from this that the bookmakers have Saints v MK Dons as a virtual coinflip.

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That's not what it says. It says "the first club to play in the top 5 divisions", which has nothing to do with automatic promotion (in fact it includes two subsequent teams who have never been automatically promoted out of non-League to strengthen this point).

 

In 1977 when Wimbledon went up (elected) into the FL, they won the Southern League which was (along with the Northern Premier League) the top non-League division at the time. They subsequently played in the top 4 divisions (1-4) AND the Premier League, which is a division in which Carlisle have never played.

 

They can't argue semantics in their favour over the Conference/Southern League/top non-League division but equally argue that the Premier/Old Div 1 distinction doesn't count as it works against them.

 

You either count Div1-4 and the top non-League division(s) of the time as "top 5 divisions" or you count Prem-Lge 2 and BSPrem as "top 5 divisions", (or some combination when they were rebranding in between, eg Prem,Div1,Div2, Div3, Conf) - you can't pick and choose which top 5 divisions count to make it suit the argument just because the Conference Carlisle played in wasn't the top division and didn't even exist when Wimbledon did it.

 

I suggest you get a life;) and dont worry about something which is obviously correcet but pedantic

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Wes Tender

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SHOULD we make the final, is it just me, or would anyone else be disappointed if will did not meet Leeds in the final ?

 

Playing Carlisle in a half empty Wembley does not excite me too much whereas you know if we play Leeds then the ground would be full with a far, far better atmos. Yeah we have more chance of beating Carlisle but thats too much too brag about.

 

If we managed to get past MK Dons and if we were playing Carlisle, then your last sentence doesn't make sense logically. If Carlisle have beaten Leeds over two legs, then surely they would be the more difficult team to beat. It would be about current form and determination towards this competition rather than the league table.

 

Having said that, I do personally think that playing Leeds (if we get past MK Dons), would be a better final as a spectacle. However, should Leeds fail to beat Carlisle, it would be good for us, if we get to the final, because psychologically Leeds confidence would receive a bad knock, whereas if we won the Cup, not only would it help our confidence, but also send a few shock waves through the division. If we win the Cup, then we will have beaten Norwich, Charlton, MK Dons and possibly Leeds on the way, thus proving that we are at least their equal. As these are the top teams in the division, we will be considered rightful holders of a play-off place if we can get there.

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A mate of mine up that way said that if Carlisle make the final it will be a ghost town that day, as would it be in surrounding tons like Penrith, Whitehaven, Workington etc.

 

According to him most of Cumbria is buzzing this morning following last nights result, and even the "plastics" would decide to be Carlisle fans for the day.

 

And like many of you, I'd rather it was them we faced, ASSUMING IT'S US THAT WINS THE RIGHT TO FACE THEM.

 

I hate Leeds, I hope they bottle promotion as well.

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Having been to (the old ) Wembley a few times for finals of mickey mouse competitions, I'd prefer Carlisle simply because the atmosphere on our big day out would be far more pleasant. Fans of both teams tend to mix, take photos of each other on Wembley Way etc, and it is usually very good-natured. Can't see it being good-natured at any game in which Leeds feature. Their fans just don't do good-natured.

 

Carlisle would bring plenty of fans to Wembley anyway. Although it is a small club, with small regular attendances it is seen as the club for a very large area around Cumbria and even across the hills towards Geordie land. They have a large number of 'occasional' fans.

 

So since the whole attraction of the JPT is a good day out at wembley, then give me Carlisle any day.

 

Besides IF we get to the play-offs we're could be playing Leeds then. I reckon they're showing early signs of maybe slipping out of the top place(s).

 

But let's not count our chickens with respect to MK dons.

 

K.

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If we managed to get past MK Dons and if we were playing Carlisle, then your last sentence doesn't make sense logically. If Carlisle have beaten Leeds over two legs, then surely they would be the more difficult team to beat. It would be about current form and determination towards this competition rather than the league table.

 

 

So are you suggesting that Burnley fans are not happy to be facing Reading rather than Liverpool

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The9

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I suggest you get a life;) and dont worry about something which is obviously correcet but pedantic

 

It is clearly not pedantic to complain about the accuracy of something which is demonstrably incorrect. Also, it's Wikipedia, it's hardly a bastion of demonstrable accuracy, there's even a disclaimer at the top of that page requesting editing to remove fan bias.

 

I don't recall saying it was important either. Besides, as my life appears to consist of finding obscure football-based diversions to point out to people at work whilst being paid nevertheless, before leaving at half 3 to go to see Saints, I'm pretty happy with it, thanks. :)

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I just clicked that Carlisle link to Wikipedia, my god there's some rubbish in that article :

 

The writing was on the wall for Carlisle after they lost 18 of their first 21 Division Three games of the 2003-04 season. Manager Paul Simpson did all he could to salvage something from the next 25 fixtures, but couldn't quite achieve safety - 40 points from a possible 75 were effectively rendered meaningless due to Carlisle's appalling first four months of the season. Had they performed as well during the first half of the campaign as they did during the second, then they would have featured in the promotion push. Carlisle United thus became the first club to compete in all top five tiers of the English football league system (Oxford United and Luton Town, both League Cup winners, have since followed).

 

I dunno what criteria they're using for that, but Wimbledon sure as hell played in the top level of non-League and all 4 League divisions long before Carlisle dropped into the Conference... plus if they're arguing that the Southern League that Wimbledon won "didn't count as it wasn't the Conference", then Carlisle only played in Division 1 and not the Premier League.

 

According to Wikipedia, SNSUN is a sex machine and Matt Le Tissier once scored a goal with his erect penis.

 

Don't believe a word you read, unless you know otherwise.

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Wes Tender

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So are you suggesting that Burnley fans are not happy to be facing Reading rather than Liverpool

 

I take your point, but the same scenario applies. On the one hand, some Burnley fans will think that with Liverpool out of the way, Reading are the easier team to beat. But as I say, they would seriously underestimate Reading if they are capable of beating Liverpool. Then other Burnley fans won't care who they play, as long as they beat them. There would have been more money in the Liverpool match, of course. The psychological aspects that I addressed still hold true, though. Liverpool's confidence will have received a mighty blow having been thrown out of the Cup by a lower division team

 

Other than that, in our case, although we are perceived by many still to be a big fish in this division, it would not be a great shock or humiliation to be beaten by MK Dons, who are above us in the league, or indeed by Carlisle who will have got to the final strictly on merit. That cannot be said of the Liverpool / Reading situation

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I remember umming and ahing about this before the FA Cup final. Would it have been better to get the Blades and have a better chance of winning, but not get the UEFA Cup if we lost. Or Arsenal and probably lose, but guarantee a UEFA Cup spot. Although, in this case there is nothing other than the trophy up for grabs.

 

I'd say Carlisle because they should be easier to beat, in theory. It's hardly like we'd've had an easy ride to the final having beaten Charlton, Norwich and (hypothetically) The Dons.

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