Pardew to leave in the summer?

[Glasgow_Saint]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/falkirk/2010/01/31/i-ll-be-happy-if-i-m-still-at-falkirk-when-transfer-window-closes-says-scott-arfield-86908-22008529/

 

"Alan Pardew's own future beyond the summer still shrouded in doubt"

[DT]

Bit throwaway, this. I guess it just means his contract has not yet been renewed. Personally, I think there are better managers out there and while I think it would be good to be one of the few clubs to give a manager an old-school long-term chance at building, it wouldn't be a massive loss if he did go.

[eesti matty]

Bit throwaway, this. I guess it just means his contract has not yet been renewed. Personally, I think there are better managers out there and while I think it would be good to be one of the few clubs to give a manager an old-school long-term chance at building, it wouldn't be a massive loss if he did go.

 

I thought he was on a 3 year contract? I also thought that next season was going to be the time when he's going to be properly judged. Whilst we've spent a lot of money, I think we're making real progress this season. Certainly a lot more than I was expecting at the start of the season.

[Bucks Saint]

Bit throwaway, this. I guess it just means his contract has not yet been renewed. Personally, I think there are better managers out there and while I think it would be good to be one of the few clubs to give a manager an old-school long-term chance at building, it wouldn't be a massive loss if he did go.

 

Unbelievable. Yes, lets start again coz that always works. All the best managers want to come to L1

[JustMike]

Bit throwaway, this. I guess it just means his contract has not yet been renewed. Personally, I think there are better managers out there and while I think it would be good to be one of the few clubs to give a manager an old-school long-term chance at building, it wouldn't be a massive loss if he did go.

 

is this a joke? Wouldnt be a massive loss hey? Yes lets get back on the good old manager merry-go-round that has served us so well over the last few years

 

The article itself is from some uninformed wannbe journo who, like the rest of the media still thinks we are skint. AP, to my knowledge is on a 3 year deal!

[shurlock]

Like Glasgow Saint, seems like they're wrong on about almost up there. Had to hunt around the story to find half a gratuitous line. What a load of crock and bull.

 

Comes from the same kind of journalistic school (and I still find the occasional reference) that assumes we're skint and on the brink.

[shurlock]

is this a joke? Wouldnt be a massive loss hey? Yes lets get back on the good old manager merry-go-round that has served us so well over the last few years

 

The article itself is from some uninformed wannbe journo who, like the rest of the media still thinks we are skint. AP, to my knowledge is on a 3 year deal!

 

snap!

[Gingeletiss]

Why give Glasgow Saint the air time, he talks sh1t at the best of times. Three years is the contract, with a Five year plan.

[stockportsaint]

Can anyone tell me if there's a way to ignore all posts by a particular forum member, like you can on Facebook?

[John B]

Why give Glasgow Saint the air time, he talks sh1t at the best of times. Three years is the contract, with a Five year plan.

 

So why not a five year contract?

[Channon's Sideburns]

In Pards we Trust

 

sh1te...where have we seen that before?!? ;-)

 

seriously, we need him to finish the job.

[John B]

Can anyone tell me if there's a way to ignore all posts by a particular forum member, like you can on Facebook?

 

Yes there is

 

Ignore I think

[Give it to Ron]

Search the members list find the one you want there is a drop down and you can choose ignore - fwiw I have him on ignore already - just posts for winds ups and responses.

I hate it when people quote him so I have to read it.

Edited 1 February, 2010 by Give it to Ron

[krissyboy31]

Not a chance!!!

 

If we are not promoted by the end of NEXT season, he will probably be sacked but I do not see that being an issue and personally think he'll be here for the whole and successfully complete ML/NC's 5 year plan.

[Gingeletiss]

So why not a five year contract?

 

Have a cup of tea John, then have a think about it;)

[Block 5]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/falkirk/2010/01/31/i-ll-be-happy-if-i-m-still-at-falkirk-when-transfer-window-closes-says-scott-arfield-86908-22008529/

 

"Alan Pardew's own future beyond the summer still shrouded in doubt"

 

Obviously ML & NC will be looking to bring Fabio Capello to SMS after the world cup.

[INFLUENCED.COM]

I don't doubt that certain things are concealed from us fans, is the publically stated 5 year plan in private a 3 year one ? A relative substantial amount of money has been spent by AP on players and with that outlay comes expectation.

[John B]

Have a cup of tea John, then have a think about it;)

 

Perhaps you could suggest a reason then ?

[John B]

I don't doubt that certain things are concealed from us fans, is the publically stated 5 year plan in private a 3 year one ? A relative substantial amount of money has been spent by AP on players and with that outlay comes expectation.

 

I was wondering this morning how much would need to be invested to produce a team capable of staying in the Premiership

[Gingeletiss]

Perhaps you could suggest a reason then ?

 

That was a quick cuppa.......a clue!!..why do you think that Liverpool have not sacked their manager, he signed a 5 year deal last season.

[INFLUENCED.COM]

I was wondering this morning how much would need to be invested to produce a team capable of staying in the Premiership

 

Subject to events over the next couple of years it would be difficult to project for 2013, expect little to change though.

[John B]

That was a quick cuppa.......a clue!!..why do you think that Liverpool have not sacked their manager, he signed a 5 year deal last season.

 

I know which means that NC/ML are not confident of Pardew leading us to the Premiership.

[Gingeletiss]

I know which means that NC/ML are not confident of Pardew leading us to the Premiership.

 

 

Only you could pick up on the negative!!!!

[John B]

Only you could pick up on the negative!!!!

 

So you agree that NC/ML could have been more positive and given AP a 5 year contract.

 

 

If Pardew was the right man for the job he should be given the five years to get to the Premiership.

[DT]

Unbelievable. Yes, lets start again coz that always works. All the best managers want to come to L1

i think you missed this bit: 'I think it would be good to be one of the few clubs to give a manager an old-school long-term chance at building'.

I hope that helps.

[John Boy Saint]

What a load of clap trap, the money that has been thrown at this team in this transfer window I can't see that they would cast Pardew aside quite so quickly when they have seen what he has done in such a short time with limited resources initially. Also this Director of Football chat seems to have evaporated so the current set up with Nicola and Pardew must obviously working quite well.

[John B]

i think you missed this bit: 'I think it would be good to be one of the few clubs to give a manager an old-school long-term chance at building'.

I hope that helps.

 

That is how I feel too

[ART]

It may be possible that Pardieu is being lined up for the Director of Football role with Stuart taking over a manager. Nicolas Cortese is currently in that role in order to better understand the ins and outs. So maybe Pardieu is doing a season as manager before handing over to Stuart Murdoch.

[Rory]

It may be possible that Pardieu is being lined up for the Director of Football role with Stuart taking over a manager. Nicolas Cortese is currently in that role in order to better understand the ins and outs. So maybe Pardieu is doing a season as manager before handing over to Stuart Murdoch.

 

Murdoch should stick to being a musician, but it would be good if Saints had the pairing of Belle & Sebastian on the side lines.

[Bucks Saint]

i think you missed this bit: 'I think it would be good to be one of the few clubs to give a manager an old-school long-term chance at building'.

I hope that helps.

 

Nope - but I also spotted the "Personally, I think there are better managers out there and ........ it wouldn't be a massive loss if he did go". You made your emphasis clear. Hope that helps

[Glasgow_Saint]

Why give Glasgow Saint the air time, he talks sh1t at the best of times. Three years is the contract, with a Five year plan.

 

I did write this article

[Toadhall Saint]

Can't see it TBH.

[Fowllyd]

So you agree that NC/ML could have been more positive and given AP a 5 year contract.

 

 

If Pardew was the right man for the job he should be given the five years to get to the Premiership.

 

I think a modicum of realism is required here. First, it's simply not possible to be certain that any manager will be the right person for the job. As with any appointment, you trust your judgement and make the best one you can; after that the person's performance is down to any number of things, but your initial judgement may prove less good than you hoped it would be. That's just one of those things - it happens all the time, in all walks of life. Second, a mega-long contract is in nobody's best interest, as I think the case of Benítez at Liverpool indicates. It's a useful carrot for anyone to have their employment status subject to results; making them difficult (or nigh-impossible) to sack would make no sense at all.

 

If we'd taken any manager on a five-year contract I'd have considered it somewhat foolhardy. To me, three years to start with looks about right.

[jam]

That was a quick cuppa.......a clue!!..why do you think that Liverpool have not sacked their manager, he signed a 5 year deal last season.

 

Liverpool can't afford to sack their manager.

[Wes Tender]

I suspect that if questioned, the journalist couldn't even put any meat on the bones, apart from the distant possibility that football is a game full of uncertainties and that it is not beyond the realms of possibility that any manager's career might be under jeopardy at nearly every club. Apart from Ferguson and Wenger that is.

 

This crappo journo could equally say that some World football star was hesitant to sign for Chelsea because the manager's tenure there was under some doubt.

 

It is obviously a ploy to put doubt into the player's mind. I very much doubt whether there is any substance to it all.

[instinct]

Its just a Scotish newspaper making things up to pad out a flimsy article. Has no meaning whatsoever.

[Charlie Wayman]

I hope this is non-story but 'smoke and fire'?

 

First, Cortese denies he's going anywhere, now Pardew...

 

I worry about these rumours, it is wishful thinking just to dismiss them out of hand, rumours start for a reason.

 

As was evident on the BBC Football League show, some jealousy of Saints spending power is emerging in media circles (snide comments from presenters) so maybe a gang of enemies is already forming up with the intent of trying to de-rail our project. You just have to look at the adverse reaction to the Man City advance by the football establishment, so maybe some powerful people are seeing a real threat to their future well-being emerging down here on the south coast?

 

Or maybe Cortese really is thinking of going to Italy and ataking pardew with him as well as Marcus Liebherr.

 

Like all you guys I hope and pray it's all fluff in the wind but don't dismiss these things from your mind - two in two weeks.. another 'story' in February will signal that something is very much up!

[Professor]

The shrouded in doubt comment can be made about virtually every manager in Football. Isn't Alex Ferguson's future shrouded in doubt as he might retire or he might not? AP has done well at Saints but its still early days. The team haven't done so well that he would immediately attract bigger clubs but if he gets us out of Div 1, then his stock will be on the rise. Given the support from Marcus and Nicola there is a lot of potential for him to do well if his signings come off, but there's a lot of luck about that as well.

[John B]

I think a modicum of realism is required here. First, it's simply not possible to be certain that any manager will be the right person for the job. As with any appointment, you trust your judgement and make the best one you can; after that the person's performance is down to any number of things, but your initial judgement may prove less good than you hoped it would be. That's just one of those things - it happens all the time, in all walks of life. Second, a mega-long contract is in nobody's best interest, as I think the case of Benítez at Liverpool indicates. It's a useful carrot for anyone to have their employment status subject to results; making them difficult (or nigh-impossible) to sack would make no sense at all.

 

If we'd taken any manager on a five-year contract I'd have considered it somewhat foolhardy. To me, three years to start with looks about right.

 

 

I would agree but as we have a five year plan Pardew should be given every chance of carrying it out thats all

[Bucks Saint]

I hope this is non-story but 'smoke and fire'?

 

First, Cortese denies he's going anywhere, now Pardew...

 

I worry about these rumours, it is wishful thinking just to dismiss them out of hand, rumours start for a reason.

 

As was evident on the BBC Football League show, some jealousy of Saints spending power is emerging in media circles (snide comments from presenters) so maybe a gang of enemies is already forming up with the intent of trying to de-rail our project. You just have to look at the adverse reaction to the Man City advance by the football establishment, so maybe some powerful people are seeing a real threat to their future well-being emerging down here on the south coast?

 

Or maybe Cortese really is thinking of going to Italy and ataking pardew with him as well as Marcus Liebherr.

 

Like all you guys I hope and pray it's all fluff in the wind but don't dismiss these things from your mind - two in two weeks.. another 'story' in February will signal that something is very much up!

 

talk about 2+2=5! chill out guy, it will be okay...

Edited 1 February, 2010 by Bucks Saint

[treggs23]

I hope this is non-story but 'smoke and fire'?

 

First, Cortese denies he's going anywhere, now Pardew...

 

I worry about these rumours, it is wishful thinking just to dismiss them out of hand, rumours start for a reason.

 

As was evident on the BBC Football League show, some jealousy of Saints spending power is emerging in media circles (snide comments from presenters) so maybe a gang of enemies is already forming up with the intent of trying to de-rail our project. You just have to look at the adverse reaction to the Man City advance by the football establishment, so maybe some powerful people are seeing a real threat to their future well-being emerging down here on the south coast?

 

Or maybe Cortese really is thinking of going to Italy and ataking pardew with him as well as Marcus Liebherr.

 

Like all you guys I hope and pray it's all fluff in the wind but don't dismiss these things from your mind - two in two weeks.. another 'story' in February will signal that something is very much up!

 

Oh dear god

[St Landrew]

This is one of those... where the hell did they invent that piece of rubbish..? type articles, that only spring out of the newspaper industry. AP's future is no more or less certain than anyone elses. Which of course, means that The Daily Record can print that crap and get away with it.

 

EDIT: What we should all do is e-mail them to print a retraction or publish their reason behind their statement.

[Gingeletiss]

Liverpool can't afford to sack their manager.

 

 

Now.....tell JohnB that. It will save on clues...and cuppa's;)

[DT]

Nope - but I also spotted the "Personally, I think there are better managers out there and ........ it wouldn't be a massive loss if he did go". You made your emphasis clear. Hope that helps

No, you misread the emphasis. All I was saying was if he goes, he goes, and I don't think it would be a massive loss - BUT I would prefer it if we actually were one of the only clubs to instigate stability in this most important position, because it is crucial and given time, a lot of managers come good.

This is all a bit of a waste of time anyway because the story looked like a non-story if you ask me. Then again, most things are shrouded in mystery...

[John B]

Now.....tell JohnB that. It will save on clues...and cuppa's;)

 

What the hell sacking Pardew has got to do with Liverpool I have no idea.

 

 

It is very negative to give somebody a job to do in five years and not to give him a contract for that length of time that is my point.

 

 

If he cant do the job why appoint him?

[St Landrew]

Don't wonder amongst yourselves. Ask the Daily Record where they got their fanciful tosh:

 

reporters@dailyrecord.co.uk

 

text: 84080 - make sure you start the message with DRNEWS

or phone:0141 309 3251

[SNSUN]

Hmm. Yes, give a manager a year to build a team in his own image, then let him go an appoint someone else. We'll never go up if we keep chopping and changing managers. That was Rupes thing, not ours.

[John B]

Don't wonder amongst yourselves. Ask the Daily Record where they got their fanciful tosh:

 

reporters@dailyrecord.co.uk

 

text: 84080 - make sure you start the message with DRNEWS

or phone:0141 309 3251

 

The press hardly ever divulge thier sources unlike the ITKs on here

[SFC Forever]

I know which means that NC/ML are not confident of Pardew leading us to the Premiership.

 

Running a game that has so many imponderables, it is quite possible that they have in their 5 year plan a time limit as to when they leave Div 1. 2 years seems the most common guess. so if AP fails and he has a five year contract and is sacked he has 3 years to be paid off. Sensible.

[John B]

Running a game that has so many imponderables, it is quite possible that they have in their 5 year plan a time limit as to when they leave Div 1. 2 years seems the most common guess. so if AP fails and he has a five year contract and is sacked he has 3 years to be paid off. Sensible.

 

It was just a discussion topic I can see the reasons why he was given a three year contract.

 

 

 

Yes you are right there are so many inponderables