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season is over now pretty much..who would you take in your 23..?

 

mine............

 

Hart

James

Green

 

King or Rio (which ever is fit)

Dawson

Terry

Caragher

shawcross (not if both rio and king are fit)

A. Cole

Johnson

baines

 

Lampard

Gerrard

A. Johnson

Carrick (or barry if fit)

Milner

Lennon

Huddlestone

 

Rooney

Zamora

Crouch

Defoe

Walcott

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GK - Hart, Kirkland, Foster

RB - Johnson, Richards

CB - Terry, Ferdinand, Jagielka, Dawson

LB - A. Cole, Warnock

CM - Lampard, Gerrard, Carrick, J. Cole

RM - Milner, Wright-Phillips

LM - Lennon, Young

ST - Rooney, Defoe, Crouch, Agbonlahor

 

-------------Hart------------

Johnson--Terry--Rio/Jag--Cole

-------Gerrard---Lampard-----

Milner------------------Lennon

--------Rooney--Crouch-------

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season is over now pretty much..who would you take in your 23..?

 

mine............

 

Hart

James

Green

 

King or Rio (which ever is fit)

Dawson

Terry

Caragher

shawcross (not if both rio and king are fit)

A. Cole

Johnson

Baines

 

Lampard

Gerrard

A. Johnson Nope Joe Cole please

Carrick

Milner

Lennon

Huddlestone Barry please

 

Rooney

Zamora

Crouch

Defoe

Walcott

 

Pretty good, but MUST include Joe Cole for me.

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It's not until these type of threads that I realise how weak our team is going to be. Zamora, Shawcross, Huddlestone...all fine for their club teams, but world class? No chance.

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It's not until these type of threads that I realise how weak our team is going to be. Zamora, Shawcross, Huddlestone...all fine for their club teams, but world class? No chance.

agree..makes qualifying easily look a very good achievement..

 

only thing we can take from that is that no team has a squad full of world class players..

 

who are ours..?

 

Rio (if fit)

Ashley Cole

Lampard

Gerrard

Rooney

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GK - James, Hart, Green

 

RB - Neville, Johnson

 

LB - Cole, Baines

 

CB - Terry, Rio (Dawson if not fit) , King, Upson

 

CM - Parker (barry if fit), Carrick, Lampard, Gerrard

 

LM - J Cole, A Johnson

 

RM - Lennon, Milner

 

ST - Rooney, Defoe, Crouch, Heskey

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even if he did come back into the frame, i wouldn't take him. he has been abysmal for liverpool this season.

trouble is..who do you take..?

 

king..maybe but injury prone

Rio - played half as many games as king this season and still out

terry - yes

dawson - yes

upson - been dreadful at best

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GK - Hart, Green, James

RB - Johnson, Richards

CB - Terry, Ferdinand, Jagielka, King

LB - A. Cole, Bridge

CM - Lampard, Gerrard, Carrick, J. Cole

RM - Walcott, Wright-Phillips

LM - Lennon, Milner

ST - Rooney, Defoe, Crouch, Bent

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GK - Hart, Green, James

RB - Johnson, Neville

CB - Terry, Ferdinand, Dawson, King ( though I think Upson might well be selected)

LB - A. Cole, Bridge

CM - Lampard, Gerrard, Carrick, J. Cole

RM - Walcott, Lennon

LM - Barry, Milner

ST - Rooney, Defoe, Crouch, Bent/Heskey

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GK-

 

Hart, Robinson, James

 

Defenders-

 

Johnson, Richards, Terry, Ferdinand, Jagielka, Cahill, A. Cole, Warnock

 

Midfielders-

 

Lampard, Gerrard, Huddlestone, Barry (Parker if not fit), Walcott, Lennon, A.Young, Milner

 

Strikers -

 

Rooney, Defoe, Crouch, Bent

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GK- Hart, Robinson, James

 

Def- Johnson, Neville, Terry, Dawson, Ferdinand, King, A Cole, Baines

 

Mid- Lampard, Gerrard, Barry, Carrick, A Johnson, Milner, Lennon, Walcott

 

Fwd- Rooney, Crouch, Zamora, Bent.

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Joe Hart

David James

Rob Green

 

Glen Johnson

Wes Brown

Rio Ferdinand

John Terry

Joleon Lescott

Gary Cahill or Ryan Shawcross

Ashley Cole

 

Theo Walcott

Aaron Lennon

James Milner

Frank Lampard

Steve Gerrard

Gareth Barry

Scott Parker

Joe Cole

Adam Johnson

 

Wayne Rooney

Carlton Cole

Peter Crouch

Jermaine Defoe

 

First XI;

---------------------HART-----------------------

-------------------------------------------------

JOHNSON---FERDINAND-------TERRY---------COLE

-------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------BARRY--------------

GERRARD----------------------------------MILNER

---------------LAMPARD--------------------------

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-------------ROONEY----------CROUCH-----------

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James, Green and Hart

 

Cole, Baines, Johnson, Cahill, Jagielka, Rio and Terry.

 

Walcott, Lennon, Gerrard, Milner, Johnson, Lampard and Barry (Carrick if unfit)

 

Rooney, Heskey, Crouch and Defoe.

 

Starting XI in bold. I know it's unlikely Johnson will go but IMO we need him there as he offers something different.

 

Don't think we've got enough there to win it, would take a lot of luck. Lack a top class holding midfielder, right back and goalkeeper to really challenge the likes of Spain and Brazil. Give us Melo, Maicon and Cesar or Senna, Ramos and Casillas and we'd walk it.

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Robinson

Hart

Green

 

Ferdinand

Dawson

Terry

Lescott

Ashley Cole

Johnson

Bridge

 

Lampard

Gerrard

Carrick

Milner

Lennon

Huddlestone

Joe Cole

Walcott

 

Rooney

Zamora

Crouch

Defoe

Bent

 

 

We would win it with the starting 11 (bold ones).

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England's 30-man provisional squad for the World Cup finals:

Goalkeepers: Joe Hart, David James, Robert Green.

Defenders: Leighton Baines, Jamie Carragher, Ashley Cole, Michael Dawson, Rio Ferdinand, Glen Johnson, Ledley King, John Terry, Matthew Upson, Stephen Warnock.

Midfielders: Gareth Barry, Michael Carrick, Joe Cole, Steven Gerrard, Tom Huddlestone, Adam Johnson, Frank Lampard, Aaron Lennon, James Milner, Scott Parker, Theo Walcott, Shaun Wright-Phillips.

Forwards: Darren Bent, Peter Crouch, Jermain Defoe, Emile Heskey, Wayne Rooney.

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How can Joe Cole and SWP get in ahead of Ashley Young exactly?

 

Imagine Carra having to fill in at RB should Johnson struggle at any point.....ROASTED. Milner can cover RB so no point having old n slow Carragher in there at all.

 

Hope he goes with 5 strikers.

 

Of those 30, my 23 would be-

 

Goalkeepers: Joe Hart, David James, Robert Green.

 

Defenders: Ashley Cole, Michael Dawson, Rio Ferdinand, Glen Johnson, Ledley King, John Terry, Matthew Upson, Stephen Warnock.

 

Midfielders: Gareth Barry, Steven Gerrard, Tom Huddlestone, Frank Lampard, Aaron Lennon, James Milner, Theo Walcott,

 

Forwards: Darren Bent, Peter Crouch, Jermain Defoe, Emile Heskey, Wayne Rooney.

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Don't agree with Carragher, he hasn't been any good this season.

Glad that Hargreaves wasn't included.

I'd be gutted if I was Zamora and Heskey got in ahead of me.

 

Heskey was always the safe option though, Zamora has been fantastic this season but he's never proven himself at international level, which makes it quite a big gamble when you're basing a decision on 2 friendly matches prior to the tournament.

 

I'm pleased to see Parker and Huddlestone included, they've both had fantastic seasons and it would have been wrong if Hargreaves was included in front of them.

 

It's good to see some really good wide players included too - that's been our problem in past tournaments, now we have players like Lennon/Johnson/Cole/Theo etc - who can all offer decent width. (I’m sounding like derry here...;))

 

Possible question mark over SWP - Maybe young deserved a chance ahead of him? he's had a decent season and SWP has been hit and miss for me.

 

Overall - not a bad squad tbh. Will be interesting to see what the final squad turns out to be.

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Argh, Carragher is a terrible footballer. Worse still, he's said he wasn't interested in England and retired, only to jump ahead of people who'd slaved to get us to the WC finals.

 

Wrong wrong wrong - especially considering the likes of Jagielka have far more ability and are far more versatile.

 

Anyway, my 23 man squad

 

GK: Hart, Green and possibly Steve Harper or Lee Camp.

 

DF: Ferdinand, Terry, Jagielka, A Cole, G Johnson, Warnock, Richards (King or Dawson).

 

MF: J Cole, Barry, Lampard, Gerrard, Lennon, SWP, Huddlestone, Milner, Carrick.

 

ST: Defoe, Crouch, Rooney, Heskey (as much as it pains me to select him. Failing that, Zamora or Bent deserves a shot though Bent, for me, simply isn't good enough).

 

For the goalkeepers, James' experience counts for nothing for me as he's nothing more than an excellent shot stopper. Green hasn't been great this season but he has the nearest amount of necessary experience for the No.1 jersey. I'd prefer Hart and would be tempted to blood him in all honesty but I fear many would be more cautious about it. Lee Camp and Steve Harper are pretty unflappable and underrated goalkeepers who deserve a look-in IMO.

 

There is enough cover defensively right across the backline with Jagielka able to play anywhere and Milner to slot in a RB if needed, though unlikely with Jagieka's versatility.

 

The midfield is dynamic with J Cole, Gerrard, Lampard and Milner. The pace is provided from Lennon, SWP and ball-retention in posession important games would come from Huddlestone, Barry and Carrick.

 

Upfront you've got Defoe's pace, Crouchie's all-round game, Rooney as the maverick and obligatory chugger Heskey (or wildcard's Bent or Zamora - plenty of options).

Upfront

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I'm in the 4 strikers camp, when you have Gerrard that can play a supporting role and Walcott in the squad, I don't think you need an extra striker. IMO this would be MY squad, fitness and situations NOT taken into account.

 

GK: Green, James, Hart.

 

RB: Johnson, Richards.

LB: Cole, Bridge.

CB: Rio, Terry, King, Upson

 

RM: Walcott, Lennon,

LM: Joe Cole, Young

CM: Barry, Gerrard, Lampard, Milner

 

ST: Crouch, Rooney, Defoe, Bent.

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I'm in the 4 strikers camp, when you have Gerrard that can play a supporting role and Walcott in the squad, I don't think you need an extra striker. IMO this would be MY squad, fitness and situations NOT taken into account.

 

GK: Green, James, Hart.

 

RB: Johnson, Richards.

LB: Cole, Bridge.

CB: Rio, Terry, King, Upson

 

RM: Walcott, Lennon,

LM: Joe Cole, Young

CM: Barry, Gerrard, Lampard, Milner

 

ST: Crouch, Rooney, Defoe, Bent.

 

Excellent shout. I had him in original squad but forgot him this time!

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He's not been in favour or form at City this season though. If he moves to Villa in exchange for Milner and lots of dosh, we might see him develop into a world class fullback, but until then, Johnson is first choice. I was watching Sunday Supplement the other day and one of the guys on it mentioned that he would've taken Gary Neville... That just shows how short we are at RB without Johnson.

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He's not been in favour or form at City this season though. If he moves to Villa in exchange for Milner and lots of dosh, we might see him develop into a world class fullback, but until then, Johnson is first choice. I was watching Sunday Supplement the other day and one of the guys on it mentioned that he would've taken Gary Neville... That just shows how short we are at RB without Johnson.

 

A good player is a good player irrespective of whether he's getting first team football on a regular basis. Whilst you can't compare Richards and Rooney in terms of quality, if Rooney hadn't been able to be a regular for Man Utd the season just gone for whatever reason, he'd still be number one striker for England. Harsh on players that play every game who are in form, but that's life. Versatility is a good trait for an International player too, which Richards has. I think he's less error prone than Johnson, although I will admit that Johnson looked good the other night.

 

It's a moot point, because Richards won't be going, but I do think he'll be firmly in the England set up in the years to come.

 

As for Neville, yes he's getting on, and has had his injury problems, but he wouldn't be a bad choice at right back if necessary. He has experience in abundance of pressure situations.

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I would have thought the most important thing is picking players in good form and those who have shown they are fit. On that basis i wouldn't be taking Terry, Gerrard or Rio. Terry in particular has been a liability this season. Gerrard also has been poor, and Rio hasn't played nearly enough games

 

Hart

James

Robinson

 

Johnson G

Cole

Baines

Carragher

King

Dawson

Jagielka

 

Walcott

Lennon

Milner

Lampard

Parker

Carrick

Huddlestone

Johnson A

Young

 

Rooney

Crouch

Defoe

Zamora

 

 

Hart

 

Johnson Dawson King Cole

 

.........Milner Parker

 

Lennon Lampard Johnson

 

............Rooney

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will have a go at picking the squad I THINK CAPELLO will pick

 

Hart

James

Green

 

Johnson

A. Cole

Baines

Carragher

King

Rio

Terry

Dawson

 

Lennon

Walcott

Milner

Gerrard

Lampard

barry (if fit enough)(if barry not fit then carrick)

A. Johnson

J Cole

 

Rooney

Crouch

Defoe

Bent

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I can't see him taking Bent.

 

Why would he take Bent when he already has Defoe and Walcott who do a similar job and only take Crouch as a target man. I know Heskey isn't everyone's cup of tea but we scored a shed load of goals in qualifying playing Rooney off a target man for 60 minutes and then bringing on Defoe as an impact sub, I can't see us changing that too much now.

 

Also think you've probably included too many wide players, I think one of them probably Joe Cole will miss out for a central midfielder probably Huddlestone or Carrick.

 

Other than those two I think you're spot on.

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I would have thought the most important thing is picking players in good form and those who have shown they are fit. On that basis i wouldn't be taking Terry, Gerrard or Rio. Terry in particular has been a liability this season. Gerrard also has been poor, and Rio hasn't played nearly enough games

 

 

Terry hasn't been a liability, it's mad to even suggest that. He had a wobbly couple of months at the start of the year along with most of the Chelsea squad but since then he's been back to a very high standard.

 

I agree Gerrard has been poor by his own high standards but to leave him at home would be ridiculous.

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Terry hasn't been a liability, it's mad to even suggest that. He had a wobbly couple of months at the start of the year along with most of the Chelsea squad but since then he's been back to a very high standard.

 

I agree Gerrard has been poor by his own high standards but to leave him at home would be ridiculous.

 

Why? If we're honest Gerrard has never really performed for England. He's struggled at Liverpool to play in a normal midfield 4 as he doesn't have the discipline for it. He has struggled all year to find any sort of form and i think it sends out totally the wrong message to players like Milner who has been outstanding all year. What about Scott Parker? The man's been phenominal in a very poor West Ham side and he doesn't get a look in whilst out of form players like Gerrard get picked automatically.

 

It's understandable that players dip in and out of form during a season but to have been out of form all season is too much IMO.

 

Terry has been a nightmare since the personal revelations and to be perfectly honest at international level he has been done for pace time and time again. A hugely overrated player on the international stage.

 

King and Dawson have been oustanding for Spurs and it makes sense for them to be the 2 centre halves having built up such a great understanding together.

 

England for too long have been trying to fit the best individual players into a team. It hasn't worked for the last 2/3 world cups and i'm struggling to see why it will work now. The only difference is we have a great tactical coach now so hopefull the embarrassment against Brazil in Korea won't be repeated. But it's asking miracles for Capello to mould these players into a world cup winning side when they've proven on numerous occasions that for whatever reason they don't work well enough together

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I would have thought the most important thing is picking players in good form and those who have shown they are fit. On that basis i wouldn't be taking Terry, Gerrard or Rio. Terry in particular has been a liability this season. Gerrard also has been poor, and Rio hasn't played nearly enough games

 

Hart

James

Robinson

 

Johnson G

Cole

Baines

Carragher

King

Dawson

Jagielka

 

Walcott

Lennon

Milner

Lampard

Parker

Carrick

Huddlestone

Johnson A

Young

 

Rooney

Crouch

Defoe

Zamora

 

 

Hart

 

Johnson Dawson King Cole

 

.........Milner Parker

 

Lennon Lampard Johnson

 

............Rooney

 

So hang on. Rio hasnt played enough games, but Jagielka has?

 

Are you kidding me? Jags was out with his cruciates until about march has played 13 games. Rio had a string of niggles and played 21.

 

Could you explain how this works?

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So hang on. Rio hasnt played enough games, but Jagielka has?

 

Are you kidding me? Jags was out with his cruciates until about march has played 13 games. Rio had a string of niggles and played 21.

 

Could you explain how this works?

 

Very simply he has played the last 13 games of the season, has proven he is fit and his form has been as good as it was before his injury. Rio has been in and out all season, hasn’t shown any consistency as a result and hasn’t featured enough in the last quarter of the season, the time when you really need players to be in top form going into a world cup

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I guess I'd go with:

 

James

 

Johnson Terry Ferdinand A.Cole

 

Gerrard Milner Lampard J.Cole

 

Rooney Defoe

 

--

Green

Hart

 

King

Brown

Dawson

Richards

 

Carrick

Walcott

Lennon

Barry

Huddlestone

 

Crouch

Heskey/Bent

 

Struggled with that more than I anticipated!

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Oh, and I'd take Baines if Wes Brown is injured.

 

I guess I only chose Theo because he used to be one of us, but I do think Lennon is better than him. I think there will be surprises in Capellos selection - and it could be that Theo is not included. Wish Beckham was fit :(

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Why? If we're honest Gerrard has never really performed for England. He's struggled at Liverpool to play in a normal midfield 4 as he doesn't have the discipline for it. He has struggled all year to find any sort of form and i think it sends out totally the wrong message to players like Milner who has been outstanding all year. What about Scott Parker? The man's been phenominal in a very poor West Ham side and he doesn't get a look in whilst out of form players like Gerrard get picked automatically.

 

It's understandable that players dip in and out of form during a season but to have been out of form all season is too much IMO.

 

Spot on. Can't see the Gerrard over-fascination - never have. Absolutely no discipline, always to the detriment of the other players because he just does his own thing, regardless of instructions.

 

Yes, he's a talented footballer. Team player? Hmmmmmmmmm

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Spot on. Can't see the Gerrard over-fascination - never have. Absolutely no discipline, always to the detriment of the other players because he just does his own thing, regardless of instructions.

 

Yes, he's a talented footballer. Team player? Hmmmmmmmmm

 

He seems to have a real rapour with Rooney which I'm sure will get us goals in the WC. He's not as good as he used to be - he used to be so amazing he could do his own thing and it really didn't matter.

 

Personally prefer a work horse like Milner.

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