Former Saints who could/should manage England fred...

[SaintRobbie]

OK, Crap-ello is about to be booted out.

 

Which former Saint could and would be in a position to manage England successfully?

 

Redknapp? Like it or not, he will be the first choice of the average England fan right now.

 

Keegan? A second tour?

 

Hoddle? (Cue Dalek..!)

 

Wise? (Eek!)

 

Sir Clive Woodward? (lol)

 

Shearer?

 

MLT?

 

Shilts?

 

.... who's your choice and why? Just to stir things up I am punting (not recommending, merely punting) on Redknapp.

[Saint Fan CaM]

My choice would be Redknapp shadowed by Shearer and Beckham as formal Assistants. Make the latter two long term appointments to ensure continuity - Redknapp is a bit of a survivor anyway. Just because Redknapp happened to be around Saints when we were on our way down was not his fault - the club was rotten to the core. And look how well Argentina are doing with Maradona - his past is a very sorry tale, but they have forgiven their man and are reaping the rewards of re-instating their National pride and passion. We must be adult and think more about the country rather than petty local feelings. Redknapp, despite his Pimply connections is the best choice England has for Manager right now.

[NickG]

if Maradona can do it surely Beckham could? (don't think he played for saints tho!)

[Badger]

Surprised no one has suggested Tommy Widdrington or Nick Holmes as they are routinely touted whenever the Saints job is available.

 

Of the original list only Redknapp is a possible contender as the FA would not go back to a manager with a proven record of not coming up with the goods at international level.England have never gone the route of just appointing a key player without managerial experience so that rules out Shearer (or Beckham).

[Dave Benson Phillips]

As much as I hate Redknapp, he is the best man for the job.

[saintstr1]

My choice would be Redknapp shadowed by Shearer and Beckham as formal Assistants. Make the latter two long term appointments to ensure continuity - Redknapp is a bit of a survivor anyway. Just because Redknapp happened to be around Saints when we were on our way down was not his fault - the club was rotten to the core. And look how well Argentina are doing with Maradona - his past is a very sorry tale, but they have forgiven their man and are reaping the rewards of re-instating their National pride and passion. We must be adult and think more about the country rather than petty local feelings. Redknapp, despite his Pimply connections is the best choice England has for Manager right now.

 

I agree 100% with all of that , But one thing must be done for us ever to have any chance of winning anything and that is the manager must be English and not a foriegn mercenary who is only in it for the money.

[stevegrant]

I couldn't give a **** about the manager's nationality, as long as he's the best man for the job.

 

The whole "he's got to be English because only an Englishman would have the passion required" is nothing more than jingoistic bull****.

 

The FA won't sack Capello, they can't afford to do so, and he's not a quitter so he won't walk. Ultimately, we've employed two of the most successful European club managers in recent years, neither of whom have managed to get us beyond the quarter-finals. Perhaps that indicates that, actually, we're just not that good?

[Nadia Sllim]

Glenn Hoddle

[Cestrian Saint]

Redknapp would get my vote, although I doubt he'd be up for it as there's no brown envelopes & transfers involved in international football. That said, I'm sure that dodgy bastard would find a way of getting a couple of Africans in the England team.

[John B]

I couldn't give a **** about the manager's nationality, as long as he's the best man for the job.

 

The whole "he's got to be English because only an Englishman would have the passion required" is nothing more than jingoistic bull****.

 

The FA won't sack Capello, they can't afford to do so, and he's not a quitter so he won't walk. Ultimately, we've employed two of the most successful European club managers in recent years, neither of whom have managed to get us beyond the quarter-finals. Perhaps that indicates that, actually, we're just not that good?

 

Foreign Managers have done nothing for English Football you only have to look at the top 10 in Premier League teams

 

 

 

1 Chelsea

2 Manchester United

3 Arsenal

4 Tottenham Hotspur

5 Manchester City

6 Aston Villa

7 Liverpool

8 Everton

9 Birmingham City

10 Blackburn Rovers

 

 

Only two English Managers there just like English Players not good enough

[Window Cleaner]

Anyway it's not about the manager it's about the players.Many of them are made to look good in their clubs by the exceptional talents around them who aren't available to our national team.Don't forget Inter Milan won the Champions League with very few (if any) Italians in their side.Take away Drogba,Carvalho and

Anelka from Chelsea and they'd be pretty crap.Managers don't make teams, players do and ours despite being amongst the best paid aren't all that good because they are so one dimensional.

[stevegrant]

Foreign Managers have done nothing for English Football

Depends which way you look at it. Foreign managers have done a hell of a lot for certain aspects of English football, particularly the dietary stuff the likes of Wenger introduced when he arrived at Arsenal, etc. They've also taken jobs that could have been filled by English managers, but then the argument there is that the clubs employ who they believe is the best man for the job whether he's English or otherwise. This simply points to the suggestion that English managers, like English players, aren't actually that good. You'd like to think that the English managers would be determined to improve themselves to ensure they have as much knowledge as they possibly can, but far too many of them just fall back into the age-old routine of buying players they've worked with before, buying players through agents they've worked with before, not broadening their horizons in terms of the "science" side of things, and in particular the coaching of technique into players' games rather than the usual English traits of blood and guts, "up and at 'em", etc.

[bungle]

Any Saints fan who says Redc*nt isn't a Saints fan.

 

I turned over and watched the cricket when he was speaking yesterday.

[John B]

Depends which way you look at it. Foreign managers have done a hell of a lot for certain aspects of English football, particularly the dietary stuff the likes of Wenger introduced when he arrived at Arsenal, etc. They've also taken jobs that could have been filled by English managers, but then the argument there is that the clubs employ who they believe is the best man for the job whether he's English or otherwise. This simply points to the suggestion that English managers, like English players, aren't actually that good. You'd like to think that the English managers would be determined to improve themselves to ensure they have as much knowledge as they possibly can, but far too many of them just fall back into the age-old routine of buying players they've worked with before, buying players through agents they've worked with before, not broadening their horizons in terms of the "science" side of things, and in particular the coaching of technique into players' games rather than the usual English traits of blood and guts, "up and at 'em", etc.

 

Sorry I was being tongue in cheek I was agrreing with your point of best man for the job.

 

Foreign managers do well in the League so why not for England

[a1ex2001]

If it becomes available Redcrap will get it, I was nearly sick watching him position himself for the job after the match yesterday.

 

Personally I'd give it to Beckam, he looks the part and ther performances of Klinsmann, Maradonna and Mark Hughes prove it's a dooable proposition.

[Secret Site Agent]

I too would go for Redknapp, and I am surprised how many here would.

 

BUT, the ONE thing I would like to see from any manager is having the guts to say, '*Rooney, you're playing crap, your dropped.'

 

(*Insert over hyped, over payed, underachieving mecenary of your choice here.)

 

All I want is that EVERY ONE of them IS playing for their place, and not just get it by default becasue, '....they play ok for their club and sponsors...i mean fans....love them.'

 

Isn't this what a manger does? Choose those in form in training and playing and, if they are not providing, drop them. I said it before, and I'll say it again, IF you dropped a tiop player like Rooney, Gerrard or Terry for one game, they would work their sock off in training to win back their place and would become one of the best players on the pitch suddenly. And so would otrhers. By getting dropped it not only gives them a fear, but ALSO it'll mess with their sponsorship.

 

So, Redknapps still my man, even after his long list of faults.

[Dellman]

The trouble with 'arry is that half way through his time with England he will be doing time for Her Majesty

[MarkSFC]

I'd hate to see 'Arry...jumped up and "has his favourites. I'd love to see Beckham but think he's too close to the current squad to make the neccessary decisions. One day he could be excellent.

It needs to be someone totally impartial or at least demonstrates impartiality and purely builds teams for success regardless of who he has to drop.

Not Saints related but I would go for Roy Hodgson.

[John B]

I'd hate to see 'Arry...jumped up and "has his favourites. I'd love to see Beckham but think he's too close to the current squad to make the neccessary decisions. One day he could be excellent.

It needs to be someone totally impartial or at least demonstrates impartiality and purely builds teams for success regardless of who he has to drop.

Not Saints related but I would go for Roy Hodgson.

 

Lets face it there is not much choice

[alki_in_korea]

gotta be hodgson next surely. managed all over at top clubs n delivered. top manager.

[Clifford Nelson]

Foreign or english, what is the evidence? Apart from Alf Ramsey (over 40 years ago!) and Bobby Robson, who has actually done well for England? FA has hired the most successful managers they can lay their hands on, and still something eludes us. Is this really about the manager at all?

[Micky]

I thought that the FA's plan was to 'groom' Stuart Pearce for the full England Managers job. As I understood it - this is why he shadows Capello at all of the England matches, or did I get that completely wrong as well...?

 

Saints connections - it will probably be 'arry (so long as he manages to sweet talk the judge and maintain his freedom!). Failing that, just to wind up 19c - I say get Lawrie out of retirement and let's revert to some 'old school' ways, this pampered lot of Prima Donnas need a good taste of reality coupled with a good kick up the arse - Lawrie macs the man..!

[Lord Turnip]

Why not Redcr@p? After all we had convicted crook in charge berfore before, the other Kray brother Ven@bles!

[Pat from Poole]

If it becomes available Redcrap will get it, I was nearly sick watching him position himself for the job after the match yesterday.

 

Personally I'd give it to Beckam, he looks the part and ther performances of Klinsmann, Maradonna and Mark Hughes prove it's a dooable proposition.

 

 

Scholes is doing his coaching badges. Miserable sod though.

[Arizona]

Much as we all love to hate Redknapp, he has done a very good job at Spuds, Pompey (twice) and West Ham. There's the added bonus of the fact that he wont be the media darling he is at the moment if he gets the England job. Much more scrutiny and criticism as the press love to hate England.

 

Having said that, Hodgson would be my first choice.

[Gorgiesaint]

I thought that the FA's plan was to 'groom' Stuart Pearce for the full England Managers job. As I understood it - this is why he shadows Capello at all of the England matches, or did I get that completely wrong as well...?

 

Saints connections - it will probably be 'arry (so long as he manages to sweet talk the judge and maintain his freedom!). Failing that, just to wind up 19c - I say get Lawrie out of retirement and let's revert to some 'old school' ways, this pampered lot of Prima Donnas need a good taste of reality coupled with a good kick up the arse - Lawrie macs the man..!

 

Well Pearce has done a reasonable job with the u-21's taking them to the Euro Championship finals last year (when we got beaten 4-0 in the final by Germany). The problem is that the last time we groomed someone for the job was McClaren (under Sven).

 

Redknapp would be the popular choice (with everyone except Pompey & Saints fans as someone on Talksport commented this morning) but for me Hodgson has the experience and knowledge of manaing abroad. Sorry there's no-one else with a Saints connection other than Redknapp.

[iansums]

Saw Kenny Samson on Sky Sports last night. He was asked:

 

Q. "Should Capello go?"

A. "Yes, I would like to see an English manager"

Q. "Who?"

A. "Erm, well, yes, erm................................."

 

It's all very well blaming Capello, but how about blaming the players?

[Arizona]

Saw Kenny Samson on Sky Sports last night. He was asked:

 

Q. "Should Capello go?"

A. "Yes, I would like to see an English manager"

Q. "Who?"

A. "Erm, well, yes, erm................................."

 

It's all very well blaming Capello, but how about blaming the players?

 

Which cave do you live in?

[iansums]

Much as we all love to hate Redknapp, he has done a very good job at Spuds, Pompey (twice) and West Ham. There's the added bonus of the fact that he wont be the media darling he is at the moment if he gets the England job. Much more scrutiny and criticism as the press love to hate England.

 

Having said that, Hodgson would be my first choice.

 

Redknapp, with all his dodgy dealings, the press would have a field day. I think Hodgson is the only suitable candidate.

[solentstars]

I couldn't give a **** about the manager's nationality, as long as he's the best man for the job.

 

The whole "he's got to be English because only an Englishman would have the passion required" is nothing more than jingoistic bull****.

 

The FA won't sack Capello, they can't afford to do so, and he's not a quitter so he won't walk. Ultimately, we've employed two of the most successful European club managers in recent years, neither of whom have managed to get us beyond the quarter-finals. Perhaps that indicates that, actually, we're just not that good?

i agree its nonsense you only got to look back to steve mcclaren and graham taylor ,two of the worst managers england ever.

[Lord Duckhunter]

We get too carried away with the England Manager's job.It's just about picking the best players, which 90% of everyone agrees with, and then making the players relax and feel good about themselves. It is a totally different job to that of a Club Manager and therefore we should take that into account when picking one. If we were going down the foregin route we should have picked guus hiddink, rather than Sven or Capello, as he has run national teams before. That said so has Roy Hodgson, so I would go with him.As for Redknapp, Clive Woodward has more chance of getting the England job than Redknapp, however much his cronies in the press champion him.

[iansums]

I couldn't give a **** about the manager's nationality, as long as he's the best man for the job.

 

The whole "he's got to be English because only an Englishman would have the passion required" is nothing more than jingoistic bull****.

 

The FA won't sack Capello, they can't afford to do so, and he's not a quitter so he won't walk. Ultimately, we've employed two of the most successful European club managers in recent years, neither of whom have managed to get us beyond the quarter-finals. Perhaps that indicates that, actually, we're just not that good?

 

Agreed

[martel]

I think the problem is a lot bigger than just the manager, my own view is that a lot of the English players are not as good as they are craked up to be; they are surrounded in many cases by excellent foreign players which in turn of course prevent a lot of younger players breaking into the game, or if they do it is in lower leagues and thus takes them longer to show what they are capable of. Chris Waddle made a remark as well that a lot of talent is also coached out of English players, frankly I think we might as well pull out of international competition, the major clubs I am sure would rather it not their, especially with the amount of games they play all season; lets face it England ysterday looked lethargic at best.

[stevegrant]

i agree its nonsense you only got to look back to steve mcclaren and graham taylor ,two of the worst managers england ever.

To be fair to Taylor, he had an abysmal set of players at his disposal. Sir Bob got the final swansong out of a lot of the 1990 squad, I'm actually impressed that Taylor managed to get that side into the 1992 Euros considering there were no playoffs, you had to win the group to qualify.

[iansums]

Waddle took a pop at the FA but they are powerless to do anything about it. All the power is now with the PL and they don't give two hoots about England. We need to limit the number of foreign players and the number of games for a start. The PL won't agree to that.

[Give it to Ron]

The FA won't sack Capello, they can't afford to do so, and he's not a quitter so he won't walk. Ultimately, we've employed two of the most successful European club managers in recent years, neither of whom have managed to get us beyond the quarter-finals. Perhaps that indicates that, actually, we're just not that good?

 

So what went wrong then...you must admit some of his decisions were bizarre. Did he just freeze then in the Algeria game?

Gerrard was the best player against the USA yet got moved to accomodate Barry and Lampard so 2 positions buggered by that move.

Rooney was abysmal yet he kept him on. I am not making Heskey the scapegoat..he is what he is....so someone please explain it to me as I have absolutely no idea what he brings. A player that doesn't get picked by his home club is expected to lead the line in a World Cup???

You need someone to score goals and play someone who has scored 7 times in 60 games?

 

Capello has a great record in club management so what caused him to fail so miserably with some of the most inept management I have seen since George Burley.

[stevegrant]

So what went wrong then...you must admit some of his decisions were bizarre. Did he just freeze then in the Algeria game?

Haven't the foggiest, in all honesty. It baffled me, although looking back at the qualifiers, we flattered to deceive a bit, IMO. Only 4 clean sheets in 10 games, conceding goals to absolute ****e like Kazakhstan (particularly the manner of it, Cole basically handing it to their striker on a plate) should probably have had alarm bells ringing a little bit sooner.

 

Gerrard was the best player against the USA yet got moved to accomodate Barry and Lampard so 2 positions buggered by that move.

I think he got caught between fitting players into the best system and picking the best players and adapting the system to suit them. In the end, we ended up with a mixture of neither and both in equal measures.

 

Rooney was abysmal yet he kept him on.

I've got no problem with him doing that, solely on the basis that he's the one player you would back to produce something out of nothing over anyone else in the squad.

 

I am not making Heskey the scapegoat..he is what he is....so someone please explain it to me as I have absolutely no idea what he brings. A player that doesn't get picked by his home club is expected to lead the line in a World Cup???

You need someone to score goals and play someone who has scored 7 times in 60 games?

The Heskey thing is bizarre, but I think it has a lot to do with the fact that he played in so many of the qualifiers that we won, ignoring the likelihood that we would still have won those games if either Crouch or even Darren Bent had played instead of him.

 

Capello has a great record in club management so what caused him to fail so miserably with some of the most inept management I have seen since George Burley.

International tournaments hold a set of challenges Capello won't have experienced as a club manager - being in the same location with the players all day, every day for the best part of a month for a start. I guess that familiarity is something Capello's famously never done, he's always maintained a distance from his players to emphasise his authority. Perhaps the closeness has clouded his judgement somewhat?

[latter day saint]

All the power is now with the PL and they don't give two hoots about England. We need to limit the number of foreign players and the number of games for a start. The PL won't agree to that.

this is why things won't change for England.just look at Germany & how they run their leagues and see the benefits they are reaping now with the national team.

[ooohTerryHurlock]

Any Saints fan who says Redc*nt isn't a Saints fan.

 

I turned over and watched the cricket when he was speaking yesterday.

 

IYHO!!!

 

What a wierd world you must live in!

[Give it to Ron]

Haven't the foggiest, in all honesty. It baffled me, although looking back at the qualifiers, we flattered to deceive a bit, IMO. Only 4 clean sheets in 10 games, conceding goals to absolute ****e like Kazakhstan (particularly the manner of it, Cole basically handing it to their striker on a plate) should probably have had alarm bells ringing a little bit sooner.

 

 

I think he got caught between fitting players into the best system and picking the best players and adapting the system to suit them. In the end, we ended up with a mixture of neither and both in equal measures.

 

 

I've got no problem with him doing that, solely on the basis that he's the one player you would back to produce something out of nothing over anyone else in the squad.

 

 

The Heskey thing is bizarre, but I think it has a lot to do with the fact that he played in so many of the qualifiers that we won, ignoring the likelihood that we would still have won those games if either Crouch or even Darren Bent had played instead of him.

 

 

International tournaments hold a set of challenges Capello won't have experienced as a club manager - being in the same location with the players all day, every day for the best part of a month for a start. I guess that familiarity is something Capello's famously never done, he's always maintained a distance from his players to emphasise his authority. Perhaps the closeness has clouded his judgement somewhat?

 

Some fair points, I was just readin a post on the UI that I agree with, the Terry incident was handled badly and gave players an opportunity to do whatever they liked without much recourse.

Capello may not have big match scenario at international level but some of his decisions left me astounded.

I watched the game with some highly qualified football coaches - none could see why he was doing what he was it didn't make sense and am looking forward to the next few weeks fallout to see some of the excuses.

The agents will want to protect their players who want to move on and further their careers and damage limitation after such a poor showing will be number one priority. The red tops will have a field day for weeks to come.

I have lost all faith in Capello - from hero to zero in 4 games and am as baffled as you.

[lordswoodsaints]

Redknapp is the man for me......BUT,but he will not be the choice of the FA because of his shady background,but they did give the job to venables so why not redknapp.

 

Employing foreign managers has proved as successful as employing an English manager so the fa have to go for an Englishman as their argument no longer stacks up.

[Micky]

this is why things won't change for England.just look at Germany & how they run their leagues and see the benefits they are reaping now with the national team.

 

They have done it for years, people may well argue that the Bundesliga is nowhere near as good as the Premiership. I would agree that perhaps it does not quite come up to standard of some premiership games, but the gulf is not as wide as some people would suggest. The same said league is also now the most profitable league in the world as well, and it seems to be doing their National team absolutely no harm whatsoever.

 

The bottom line is we are too far up our own asses and don't realise that English players are not the 'be all and end all' that many would like to make out. Just look at our famous 5 -1 defeat of the Germans before the 2002 WC, what a farce that was. Within 2 days, we had the 5 - 1 banners, the t shirts, the dvds were all on sale - Super England, beat the Germans 5 - 1. Same said tournament, we went out in the quarter finals - the Germans, ohhh they got to the final.

 

Never mind vuvuzellas (or whatever they are called) - we are too good at blowing our own trumpet - but not delivering - we could learn an awful lot from both German domestic and National football.

[lordswoodsaints]

The simple but sad truth is that we will never achieve anything whilst greed and sleaze outweigh the desire to play football for the right reasons.....nobody should deny a footballer the chance to earn a good living from what is effectively the biggest form of entertainment in this country,but players need to get back to basics and start making decisions based on what is best for football and not what is best for their wallets.

[hasper57saint]

Anyway it's not about the manager it's about the players.Many of them are made to look good in their clubs by the exceptional talents around them who aren't available to our national team.Don't forget Inter Milan won the Champions League with very few (if any) Italians in their side.Take away Drogba,Carvalho and

Anelka from Chelsea and they'd be pretty crap.Managers don't make teams, players do and ours despite being amongst the best paid aren't all that good because they are so one dimensional.

 

How I agree. It's something I've said for a very long time. An example of how ordinary our 'English Players' are poses the following question. How many English Players are in the Budesliege/ Serie A,La Lieger (Spelling) or Portugal? Let's be honest eh? The bunch of overpaid,overated and underperforming clowns who (mis) represented England have no excuses THEY JUST WEREN'T GOOD ENOUGH.Take away the foreigners from the Arse and Theo would have to play with himself!!!!

[saintkiptanui]

Any Saints fan who says Redc*nt isn't a Saints fan.

 

I turned over and watched the cricket when he was speaking yesterday.

This, sturomsey is not a saints fan but a gimp.

[red&white56]

Not Harry Redcrap - too much suspicion about the way he does business for him to be considered for the England job.

 

Sam Allardyce or Gareth Southgate, backing up a figure head Beckham.....

[Arizona]

Not Harry Redcrap - too much suspicion about the way he does business for him to be considered for the England job.

 

Sam Allardyce or Gareth Southgate, backing up a figure head Beckham.....

 

Christ on a bike, you can't be serious?

[ottery st mary]

The actooor Tomlinson should be the next manager....Very good when last in the post.

[stevegrant]

The agents will want to protect their players who want to move on and further their careers and damage limitation after such a poor showing will be number one priority. The red tops will have a field day for weeks to come.

And that's a large part of the problem, the weight of expectation and pressure is mental. You've got papers who claim to be "getting behind the boys" on one hand and then on the other they're setting up some sort of sting operation to expose the then-captain four months before the world cup starts. That's going to help...

 

Then there's the various parties who are only interested in looking after number one, they'll all grow Teflon shoulders and get away without much criticism if they can help one of the papers get a scoop on Capello.

 

I have lost all faith in Capello - from hero to zero in 4 games and am as baffled as you.

I'm fairly patient, so I've not lost faith yet, but he's got some work to do before the Bulgaria game in September, that's for sure.

 

I've expanded a bit (ok, quite a lot ) on my thoughts about the root cause(s) in the blog section: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/entry.php?17-The-Post-Mortem-that-never-ends

[SaintRobbie]

Redknapp is the man for me......BUT,but he will not be the choice of the FA because of his shady background,but they did give the job to venables so why not redknapp.

 

 

Venables was arguably the best England manager in recent years, he was certainly not allowed to reach his full potential. I would like to see Arry get it for the Euro qualifiers just to watch the Spuds panic again!