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Davies 4 didn't have much to do but was at fault for the first. He should have saved it.

Butterfield 4 caught out of position to much

Fonte 3 looked slow and ponderous. Also got caught out for the first goal

Martin 6 Looked ok today, did his job, but almost screwed up with an own goal

Harding 5 Not great but not bad ok performance

Chamberlain 7 looked our best player, but still learning, should not have been subbed

Hammond 5 Hmm not much to say, did ok, but not a captains performance

Schneiderlin 5 ok again, but I think he should be doing better

Puncheon 5 Industrious, poor crossing, worse finishing

Connoly 6 Looked ok worked hard looked our best forward shouldn't have been subbed

Lambert 2 What is wrong with him???

 

Guly 6 Only had a few minutes but didn't do anything wrong. Looks promising

Mills 5 Not had long enough but poor header at the end

 

Wilkins 1 What was he thinking re the substitutions?? Clueless!

 

Overall a team that is devoid of confidence, no leadership on or off the pitch, no passion, no idea.

We need a manager fast before it gets too late.

 

Having said all that, after calming down a bit, upon reflection we did create some decent chances and

on another day could've got something from the game.

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Not clueless but pulled off our best player? Hmmm...

 

Yes but decisions are being taken for the main goal that "the First Team and the Football Development & Support Centre (are) integrated, co-operative units".

 

It is a whole new philosophy to Business Management, lesson 2.1.1 arising from the Swiss School of Peace, Love and Understanding. (Lecturer Nick Lowe)

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Hes not clueless, the players just didnt do what he told them to, just as with Pardew on many occasions. Not a happy team and hasnt been for months imo.

He does a very good impression of being clueless.

 

He was static on the touchline. Bizarre substitutions. The two results under him have been dreadful. And the performances even worse. Cortese's implication that it might take a long time to find a new manager is loopy. We are nowhere near promotion form.

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Everybody seems to think we have an unhappy camp, and Pardew is to blame

 

If Cortese is getting involved with team affairs, like signing players for AP, then perhaps it's Cortese creating the terrible atmosphere

 

In fact, I'm convinced of it!

 

Everything he does stinks of arrogance, and the debacle with stopping photographs being taken is even something the pig-headed Rupert wouldn't have done

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Give it to Ron

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Taxi for Wilkins. How can you leave on 2 bumbling defensive midfielders and substitute the only player with pace and the only threat we had!

Hammond and Morgan contributed nothing. Puncheon was abysmal. Lambert looks ****ed off with the pathetic supply and Connoly was shocking.

Lets substitute Chamberlain he is playing too well....clueless!

We are pedestrian going forward and so easy to get 8 or 9 defenders back. Why didnt he take off Hammond or Morgan and push on Dickson wide left ...Puncheon in the centre and Guly up front....or even put Jaidi on for the last 10 up front!

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this is THE most informed comment on here.

cortese ruined pre season then compounded it by being there and being absolutely unbearable.

t ground staff thoroughly demotivated, the football developement co hesion whatever is full of fa failures who would never have been employed by any pro clubs again.

and now the smears have started to be leaked, and all this because the crowd used to sing theres only 1 marcus liebher and pardew pardew give us a wave,and neglect him.

appalling little man

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this is THE most informed comment on here.

cortese ruined pre season then compounded it by being there and being absolutely unbearable.

t ground staff thoroughly demotivated, the football developement co hesion whatever is full of fa failures who would never have been employed by any pro clubs again.

and now the smears have started to be leaked, and all this because the crowd used to sing theres only 1 marcus liebher and pardew pardew give us a wave,and neglect him.

appalling little man

 

According to your bizarre mind?

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and all this because the crowd used to sing theres only 1 marcus liebher and pardew pardew give us a wave,and neglect him.

appalling little man

 

Well the crowd have now taken notice of Cortese and have let him know how much they appreciate him.

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I was staggered that with 15 mins to go we still tried to play through them and when we hump it up we did not have anyone to win it.....any other lower league manager would have thrown a centre half right up top..its desperate but would have been worth doing today...the amount of sideways passing is unbelievable, its like having a team of Jim Magiltons!! Radio 5 live suggest a new manager with a wow factor will be in by midweek!!

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I was staggered that with 15 mins to go we still tried to play through them and when we hump it up we did not have anyone to win it.....any other lower league manager would have thrown a centre half right up top..its desperate but would have been worth doing today...the amount of sideways passing is unbelievable, its like having a team of Jim Magiltons!! Radio 5 live suggest a new manager with a wow factor will be in by midweek!!

 

F*ck midweek. Get him in now.

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That was truly, truly bad.

 

We were one-dimensional, lethargic, sloppy and lacking any real urgency.

 

Last season we heavily relied on the ability of Lambert to hold up play and bring others into it, it wasn't just his goals, he also provided over 20 assists in all competitions. Lambert looks a totally different player this year, his touch is poor, he's laboring around the pitch and he keeps pulling up - something isn't right, and if he's playing with an injury then i'd urge us to sort it out, get a loan player in to cover his space because he's not helping us at the moment at all. He's hindering us if anything.

 

It also doesn't help us playing so narrow. We have Puncheon and Oxc on the pitch - but they seem to cut inside all the time, clog up the play and surprise surprise - Rochdale are able to bring it away with ease.

 

Gully looked ok when he came on, nothing special but he looked neat and tidy on the ball and his passing was sharp - i liked the way he pushed on into the box too....but it didn't help the fact that our game was still too narrow.

 

Also - WTF is up with the pitch? Fonte almost screwed up because a great bit of grass popped up in front of him, Martin could have potentially screwed his knee as his studs were caught in a divot - that can't be helping...

 

Rochdale weren't particularly good, they just took the 2 chances we gifted to them, but other than that when they did have the ball they promptly put it out of play most of the time.

 

This result and performance totally rubbishes the ''staplewoodgate'' tosh. It doesn't take a genius to compare a 4-0 away win under pards, against 2-0 and 3-0 defeats at home after Pards' has left. The players clearly liked playing for him.

 

We lacked direction and any idea, i'm surprised as i felt Wilkins would be able to carry it on slightly but the players just aren't responding for him. If the rumours are true about a new manager this week then it cannot come soon enough.

 

Why are we even in this situation? It beggars belief. We had everything set to go and have a great year, but it's almost been blown away in a moment of madness by Mr Cortese.

 

This week we're at a crossroads, if the decision is wrong then Cortese is in trouble.

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I did something today i have only ever done once before and left early. That performance almost stung more than Swindon away last season, it was gutless, there was no shape, the midfield was non-existent and the substitutions were bizarre.

 

Mind you it wasn't helped by being sat next to someone in the Northam that had obviously specifically gone with intention of jumping on the bandwagon and slagging off puncheon. At the Orient and Plymouth games i was annoyed with him, today i thought he was only as bad as most of the others (Martin/Chamberlin/Fonte/Conolly exempt) and at least he tried things.

 

By the point of the one Alan Pardew chants i was totally demoralised, it was Rochdale for ****s sake, ROCHDALE! They were **** and a team of any class would've put six or seven past them - hell for the first 40mins they were terrified of the ground and our players until they realised we'd decided to play the entire game in our own half with a few long balls to a [disinterested and lazy looking] lambert.

 

We need a ballsy manager who'll get these unfit players into shape and to get them playing the way they can, unless real change comes soon it's a long season i'm afraid

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That was truly, truly bad.

 

We were one-dimensional, lethargic, sloppy and lacking any real urgency.

 

Last season we heavily relied on the ability of Lambert to hold up play and bring others into it, it wasn't just his goals, he also provided over 20 assists in all competitions. Lambert looks a totally different player this year, his touch is poor, he's laboring around the pitch and he keeps pulling up - something isn't right, and if he's playing with an injury then i'd urge us to sort it out, get a loan player in to cover his space because he's not helping us at the moment at all. He's hindering us if anything.

 

It also doesn't help us playing so narrow. We have Puncheon and Oxc on the pitch - but they seem to cut inside all the time, clog up the play and surprise surprise - Rochdale are able to bring it away with ease.

 

Gully looked ok when he came on, nothing special but he looked neat and tidy on the ball and his passing was sharp - i liked the way he pushed on into the box too....but it didn't help the fact that our game was still too narrow.

 

Also - WTF is up with the pitch? Fonte almost screwed up because a great bit of grass popped up in front of him, Martin could have potentially screwed his knee as his studs were caught in a divot - that can't be helping...

 

Rochdale weren't particularly good, they just took the 2 chances we gifted to them, but other than that when they did have the ball they promptly put it out of play most of the time.

 

This result and performance totally rubbishes the ''staplewoodgate'' tosh. It doesn't take a genius to compare a 4-0 away win under pards, against 2-0 and 3-0 defeats at home after Pards' has left. The players clearly liked playing for him.

 

We lacked direction and any idea, i'm surprised as i felt Wilkins would be able to carry it on slightly but the players just aren't responding for him. If the rumours are true about a new manager this week then it cannot come soon enough.

 

Why are we even in this situation? It beggars belief. We had everything set to go and have a great year, but it's almost been blown away in a moment of madness by Mr Cortese.

 

This week we're at a crossroads, if the decision is wrong then Cortese is in trouble.

 

You've pretty much summed up what I was going to say. To answer your question I would have to point to the past and how we have not learnt anything from it. This road-crash was seen first in the Prem with Wigley and then again in the CCC with the Dutch duo. It's Saints version of groundhog day but now it's League One. Cortese needs to pull a big ******* rabbit out the hat very soon and be absolutely certain of his decision, because I can see another repeat once again at Xmas, except next time we'll be talking about a candidate to save us from relegation rather than take us to the Prem.

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Words nearly fail me but not quite. What a frustrating afternoon!

 

We have no bite, no creativity, no idea.

 

According to the BBC we had 57% of possession, 7 attempts on goal, most of those, pussy shots against their 5 two of them goals and at least one fine save from Davis. We had 15 OFF TARGET. They had one shot off target.

 

Lambert is way off form, lacking confidence and clearly still carrying an injury which is preventing him from getting fit. We clearly are playing him in desperation.

 

Connolly worked hard but never looked like scoring to be honest.

 

Schneiderlin & Hammond were static in midfield with short passes sideways or backwards. A couple of times Schneiderlin did venture forward with the ball and that caused their defence some problems. He needs to do it throughout the game.

 

Puncheon is just not good enough. He shows some speed and trickery but takes too long to make a decision. He is just not good enough but we lack anyone else to come in!

 

Chamberlain had a good game for a youngster learning the game. At least he had a bit of pace and caused problems. Did not deserve to be subbed. Puncheon should have gone off instead

 

Martin had a good solid game. Fonte just does not seem to be able to head the ball. That said he did an ok job.

 

Butterfield is a better player getting forward and offers more with his crossing. Happy to stick with him at right back.

 

Harding did a decent job at left back but disappointed with his support and ball distribution when he did venture forward.

 

Davis distributed the ball a little better today but really he is a shot stopper and nothing else.

 

Guly looked like he has something and I would have liked to see him coming on for Schneiderlin or Hammond in central midfield.

 

Mills did ok but nothing spectacular and certainly did not change the pattern of the game.

 

Will not comment on Wilkins as it would be unfair. He is only caretaker and only had the same players at his disposal. No time to try to change the Pardew style.

 

We need someone to come it, get to grips, change our style, particularly across the whole of the midfield, get our movement and playmaking ideas right and get out confidence back in front of our home supporters .

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Convict Colony

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The season has been blown already ,Cortese and I think that you may well know that now.

 

What points did we have last season at this time ? Surely we are 10pts better off already. I don't know if i am in a minority but I am willing to write off a couple of losses IF we get the right man in ! The enternal question is who is the right man ?

 

Also why does everyone seem to use the guly signing as the straw that broke the camels back with ap, cortese strikes me as a man who establishes governance within a company prior to it becoming operational, so I wonder how many of our big signings were down to the committee rather than down to AP, I think ap gets the credit for the good and the committee for the bad.

 

Currently in Delhi and haven't spent a day on the s**tter so there is proof miracles do happen and a saints win next week will occur.

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I tell you what, I am gutted with todays result, absolutely gutted. To tell the truth, I was expecting to come on here and read about how we shouldn;t have got rid of AP and that Wilkins (other than the strange subs) was the reason we lost today. However, I am slightly surprised, in a good way. For some weeks now, I have been agast at this forum for not realiing the 'football' reasons we didn;t win previous games, well today, most of you seem to have got it spot on, Lambert. Not blaming him directly for not scoring, but, he did not have a single shot, may have had a half chance header, but that was it all game! He just didn;t get himself in the positions he was last season and he just isn;t sharp enough.

 

On the plus side, Morgan, in the first half really tried to control the tempo, zipped out some passes and changed direction very well. First half, he did well, some improvement needed still, but hey, so much better than against Leyton Orient. Hammond, again, people slagging him off. I watched him very closely, played pure Cm, and made some good runs into the box first half. However, the crossing from both sides went back stick every time, Hammond was central or near post, so, many of you may not have noticed his runs.

 

So, on the crossing, and Lambert, i think it was a tactical decision to play back post to Lambert every time, knock back to Connolly. I think this is a training ground move. However, didn;t work, nearly did once but Connolly fluffed his lines. On Connolly, played the hole beautifully. His control was a bit suspect on occasion, but he was there and demanded the ball. Morgan, Hammond, Fonte and martin all used a ball to Connolly's feet. Superb! I thought this worked so nearly, so many times. A firm pass in, a little turn or flick and Hammond or Morgan were running through on goal. Or a little lay back and Oxlaider or Puncheon were hit with zippy passes along the deck, enbling them to beat their men and deliver crosses. Puncheon fluffed his lines 3 or 4 times and was a bit frustrating, but Oxlaide was superb, either beat the man and whip it in or check and lay it off to Butterfield to deliver, very happy with this.

 

So, where did it all go wrong? We conceeded a goal just as we were getting into a good shape. Then half time. Then, we came out without the dedication and professionalism that we should have. We have very good players at this level, they forgot they also have to commit themselves. 90% given for the first 15mins of the second half and we concede a second. Good strike but what a mess down in the corner, culminating in an air shot from Fonte, why? because he wasn;t 100%committed, a little off the pace and it was toed away from him and he didn;t even expect that to be possible. And like him, that the feeling I get, these players, when their backs are against the wall, expect teams to stand off and respect them! This is deadly. Yes we have got good footballers, but I am suspect of their commitment to the team. I'm not blaming Wilkins, this was there last season (particulalry away), some of this is down to Pardew and looking at the display today, I am really glad he's gone, because the players had no excuses first half, they should have scored (where was Lambert), and they shouldn't have conceeded (3 on 2!).

 

We need a man manager, if not Martin O Neal, then someone of his type. Someone who deires football, yes a keegan would do me, maybe zola, not sure, as I don;t know him too well, but the last few games for West Ham, he got more out of them than they had been delivering, so maybe. Don't want an Eddie Howe, no disrespect, but this is too big for someone that hasn't had the experience or been around primadonna's!

 

overall, very, very deflated about today, congrats to Rochdale, 1 good counter attack and one good strike, 3 points away and 200 happy northerners, I wish I were them!

 

Anyway, we need to move forward, looking forward to barnard coming back, looked very lively first few games and just needed that goal, got it against Brizzle, needs o come back firing, he looked up for it. Hammond and Morgan, need to step it up one more gear, let's start off more quickly, we're taking too long to get going and giving the opposition too much confidence. Puncheon, pass the f**king Ball, jeesh! Someone give Lambert a slap!

 

We're not a million miles of, BUT, we are a long way off when we concede, heads go down, we expect respect and we're unwilling to fight and be cultured. If we are to be as good as we believe we are, we need to dig deeper to find it, I believe it's there, but do the players and can the players do it? I f**king hope so...

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Puncheon is clearly the new wipping boy. I can't believe how quick the fans were to jump on his back. I'm not saying he had a great game today, or that he doesn't deserve a little stick at times, but swathes of fans jumping all over him after less than five minutes says it all.

 

Yet another painful game to watch. We started quite well and dominated posession as usual. The problem though was both strikers were pretty average to say the least with almost every header from Lambert failing to find Connelly. Connelly himself looked not quite at his sharpest and lots of posession was squandered cheaply in the final third. As the game wore on this got worse as Lambert won hardly anything against Craig Dawson (why did we not sign him instead of Seaborne I ask myself). We were not really much worse than last week but the opposition were much better defensively so we didn't really create that much at all in the first half. We then comitted far too many players forward and a terrible terrible pass by Lambert put us in massive trouble and we found ourselves 2 on 2 and the 3 on two with butterfield struggling to get back with the midfield runner. Where Fonte and friends were I will never know. A proper sucker blow. We didn't deserve to be 1-0 down but that's how things go at this level. The second half was very bad for long periods. We did create chances, quite a lot when you start adding them up. Puncheon sshoulod of scored from close range, Harding missed an unbelievable chance and there were other half chances. But most of these came after we had gone 2-0 down. Sadly the second goal was due to a terrible pass by Chamberlain - we were our own worst enemies defensively - who overall had had a decent game.

There were poor some displays today. Schneiderlin hardly grabbed the game by the scruff of the neck and Hammond was little better. The real problem for me was up front with Lambert having a shocker and there being absolutely no attacking option from the bench.

Davis 5 don't recall any saves. Thought he might have done better for their first

Butterfield 6 some decent crosses early on but didn't threaten in the second half. Solid eough defensively but with more pace he might have helped prevent the second

Fonte 7 dives in a lot (as he did at Rovers) and got caught out a couple of times. But a great battle with their centre forward today and came out abiut even.

Martin 8 Didn't do much wrong for me. Left exposed for the first goal.

Harding 6 some poor passing early on but back to his bullying self defensively. Not much going forward.

Chamberlini 7 some bright patches, although quiet for long spells too. Showed a great first touch and willingness to attack directly. Some of the crossing was poor though and he was at fault for their second. Very impressive display overall though.

Puncheon 5 missed a few chances, created a couple. Usual fare from him really. Not enough from him but not impressed with fans moaning after just a couple of minutes.

Schneiderlin 5 did not do enough and got very frustrated at the end. Where was he for the first goal?

Hammond 5 first touch not good enough at times and never grabbed the game in the second half when we needed it most.

Connelly 5 worked hard but not cute enough, should have done better with volley in first half.

Lambert 1 terrible day. Nothing came off at all in first half. Didn't do anything in the second.

 

Mills strange to bring a fullback on for a winger. Shows our lack of squad. Mills can not play left midfield. I have seen him try 8 or 9 times now and he can't do it he is a fullback only. Why not use Dickson - he was excellent at Rovers.

Gully he can play a bit, but he looks a little casual to me. A little early to judge but where is he going to play?

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Is it time to dispel the myth that we have a squad which is the envy of the other teams in our division? Who have we got apart from Lambert (not fit), Lalana (injured) and Fonte? The rest are just a bunch of average players for this league who, in the main, fail to perform. Let's face it, we are no great shakes and by no means odds-on to get promoted whoever the new manager might be. Plymouth, Swindon and now the might of Rochdale have all come to St Marys and not had to work too hard to go away with victories - in each of these games we failed to score. Most teams have one or two decent players and maybe we don't give them the respect they deserve - the guy who scored the second goal today was arguably the best player on the pitch by a long way. We are not head and shoulders above the rest or we would be beating these sides comfortably week in week out not labouring for the odd win. The transfer window has come and gone and we failed to get in the minimum three quality signings needed to galvanise this squad. Now we need a competent manager who is allowed to manage with no interference, some decent loan signings to get us through to the next transfer window and a club where everyone is pulling in the same direction. Without those things I fear dark days lie ahead. By the way, has the pitch at St Marys been narrowed - it looks as though there is never any room on the flanks. It it has I think somebody has made a major ****-up.

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