Lads in court re Pompey game

[Kaiser Soze]

Any news on their trial? Hope the jury is not bent and they deliver a not guilty verdict to all concerned.

 

The behaviour of the old bill stitching lads up recently is nothing short of scandelous.

[Saint-scooby]

I doubt that will happen

[RedAndWhite91]

Any stretch of prison time for shouting obscenities and shaking a fence is not on, especially when you consider the Conservatives wanting to cut prison numbers by 3000, banging lads up for little things such as this just to make an example of them is ridiculous. It's a waste of time, money, and a further strain on the already overcrowded prison system.

 

If the same thing was to happen on a Tuesday night in town they'd get a slap on the wrist, possibly a night in a cell and maybe a fine.

 

It's not right that there are a completely different set of rules if it's football related.

[Matthew Le God]

Any stretch of prison time for shouting obscenities and shaking a fence is not on, especially when you consider the Conservatives wanting to cut prison numbers by 3000, banging lads up for little things such as this just to make an example of them is ridiculous. It's a waste of time, money, and a further strain on the already overcrowded prison system.

 

If the same thing was to happen on a Tuesday night in town they'd get a slap on the wrist, possibly a night in a cell and maybe a fine.

 

It's not right that there are a completely different set of rules if it's football related.

 

There is a simple way to avoid the possibility of a custodial sentence... don't act like a prat at football matches.

[Toadhall Saint]

Agree. If you were at the front of the fence knocking it down and shouting at the p*mpey fans you are there to be involved. You could have easily taken the decision to walk the other way.

 

If you really wanted to watch what was going on then stand near the back and don't get involved.

 

All those who ran at the lines were there to cause trouble simple. The trouble may not have happened on a large scale but the intent was there.

 

It might well as of happened judgeing by the absolutely rediculous sentences being handed out.

[Toadhall Saint]

I think you will find the main trial is still ongoing......

 

I should have said in general.

[Saint Stimp]

There is a simple way to avoid the possibility of a custodial sentence... don't act like a prat at football matches.

 

Can't disagree with that.

[lordswoodsaints]

The sad fact is that these lads are guilty of nothing more than a bit of sabre rattling whilst the real action was carried out far from the ground in an organised manner away from CCTV and other interferences.

[100%Red&White]

Still no defence. Why couldn't they just leave after the game like the majority of fans? Instead of acting hard playing up to the police and goading the pompey fans.

 

But. The skates were also "acting hard" and "goading" but from a safe distance - the only difference was they didn't get near enough to the fence to rattle it and so didn't go to prison.

 

I'm with the Kaiser on this one.

[landford.saint]

Are you implying that Police Officers would deliberately enhance statements under oath in order to 'gaurantee' prosecutions. Police Officers who swear on oath to uphold the law 'without favour or I'll-will'. ??????

[thesaint sfc]

I doubt the jury is gay.

[rooney]

Still no defence. Why couldn't they just leave after the game like the majority of fans? Instead of acting hard playing up to the police and goading the pompey fans.

 

Agree entirely.

[lordswoodsaints]

Still no defence. Why couldn't they just leave after the game like the majority of fans? Instead of acting hard playing up to the police and goading the pompey fans.

 

I'm not defending their actions in anyway but if these people are going to be 'made an example of' and get silly sentences that don't really fit the crime then it will just be seen as lazy law keeping,a waste of money and exercise in how not to get the masses on your side IMO.

[chocco boxo]

Two cases recently regarding local people downloading and distributing child porn! Prison sentences NO. Rattle a fence... throw a stone and you going down.

Make you mind up time folks?

[Deppo]

I doubt the jury is gay.

 

Don't be homophobic. The gays are just as entitled to be on a jury as the hetro's.

 

Anyway, I hope these scumbags get sent down for a long, long time. My view is that if you are prepared to act like a knob at a football match, then you'll act like a knob elsewhere - probably when there are less police around to protect the innocent public. Send them to prison and take away their personal freedoms.

[Vershinin]

This situation is a joke. Anyone who thinks these lads should go to prison is a clown. But it does sum up this country perfectly at the moment, liberal ****ing moaning do gooders who worry about petty **** rather than the bigger picture.

[bangkoksaint]

Any news on their trial? Hope the jury is not bent and they deliver a not guilty verdict to all concerned.

 

The behaviour of the old bill stitching lads up recently is nothing short of scandelous.

 

Clearly someone who looks at those supporters, and I wont say say Saints supporters, through rose tinted glasses. Let's hope they get all they deserve and if guilty, they are hammered and not allowed back to St Marys. My best quetsimate is they are all guilty......................................otherwise clearly they would not be gracing court. You see plenty of miscarriages of justice but never a not guilty man convicted.

[dickyhale]

A friend of mine was involved and in a court trial at the moment. Talked to him tonight and he sad that 2 of them will have there cased DROP tomorrow as today no evidence was offered .......How about innocent till proven guilty as there bail conditions they are both been banned from St Mary's on match days and missing the JPT final at Wembley

Edited 9 November, 2010 by dickyhale

[Smirking_Saint]

Any stretch of prison time for shouting obscenities and shaking a fence is not on, especially when you consider the Conservatives wanting to cut prison numbers by 3000, banging lads up for little things such as this just to make an example of them is ridiculous. It's a waste of time, money, and a further strain on the already overcrowded prison system.

 

If the same thing was to happen on a Tuesday night in town they'd get a slap on the wrist, possibly a night in a cell and maybe a fine.

 

It's not right that there are a completely different set of rules if it's football related.

 

Difference being at a football game it could be classed as incitement, if unchecked, with large numbers it COULD cause a riot etc. (though it probably wouldn't)

 

Its pretty much the same as being done for dangerous driving, you havn't really done anything but there is a possibility of something very serious to occur.

 

I am with Shane.

 

I do however think that the police should have actually stepped in an told them not to act like pr*cks rather than just stand and video, mind you, you really have to be a prat if your going to keep doing it with police all over the place with videos.

[Deppo]

A friend of mine was involved and in a court trial at the moment. Talked to him tonight and he sad that 2 of them will have there cased DROP tomorrow as today no evidence was offered .......How about innocent till proven guilty as there bail conditions they are both been banned from St Mary's on match days and missing the JPT final at Wembley

 

You should be sent to jail until you learn the basics of the language you speak and write. It doesn't surprise me that you know these criminal types.

[Deppo]

This situation is a joke. Anyone who thinks these lads should go to prison is a clown. But it does sum up this country perfectly at the moment, liberal ****ing moaning do gooders who worry about petty **** rather than the bigger picture.

 

Eh? People who want these people sent to prison are liberals?

[Chez]

Its pretty much the same as being done for dangerous driving, you havn't really done anything but there is a possibility of something very serious to occur.

 

is there not a considerable difference in sentence for dangerous driving when nothing happens and dangerous driving when something serious does happen?

[saintwarwick]

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[saintwarwick]

Any news on their trial? Hope the jury is not bent and they deliver a not guilty verdict to all concerned.

 

The behaviour of the old bill stitching lads up recently is nothing short of scandelous.

 

Always quick to blame the old bill rather than the real perpetrators of this crime

[Noggin]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/8333601.Child_porn_downloader_escapes_jail_sentence/

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/8489525._Pure_hatred__of_Saints_fans_in_derby_clashes/

 

I would recommend you all to have read of both of these articles and see which crime you think is more fitting of a jail sentence.

[Thedelldays]

bet they wish they went straight home now...I did and I am not going to jail..or court...or going to clean up dog **** as a punishment

 

to suggest they were walking harmlessly by and "rattlled a fence" is funny

 

that is like saying when I got trollied on vodka and drove home..I should not have been done by the police as I never hit anything....

 

they were warned..they gave it the big one...they got caught....they should take it like a man that their brovado showed that day

[norwaysaint]

This situation is a joke. Anyone who thinks these lads should go to prison is a clown. But it does sum up this country perfectly at the moment, liberal ****ing moaning do gooders who worry about petty **** rather than the bigger picture.

 

You don't actually know what liberal means do you? Anybody pushing for tougher sentences and being harder on crime is actually the opposite of liberal. The liberals in this case are actually the people arguing fro softer or no punishments.

[Baj]

The lads in question have done nothing more than rattle a fence and throw a coin or two yet are are facing having their freedom taking away for two years. Where's the justice in that?

 

Having been at St Andrews where some brum fans started throwing some coins, and seeing a girl no older than 10 being hit, side of her head cut open and blood pouring out, I'd say throwing a coin is a pretty serious ****ing offence.

[saintjay77]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/8333601.Child_porn_downloader_escapes_jail_sentence/

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/8489525._Pure_hatred__of_Saints_fans_in_derby_clashes/

 

I would recommend you all to have read of both of these articles and see which crime you think is more fitting of a jail sentence.

 

I dont think it can be compared to other crimes or punishments though. Football related crime has been punished heavier for a long time. Its one of the main reasons that football related crime has decreased and makes watching football a more family friendly past time.

 

Are punishments too soft for many other crimes???? Yes they are.

Should people be let off the hook cause its only Football???? No they shouldnt.

 

The fact that the police know, we know and the media know a derby match will be a flash point and more risk of trouble should make people all the more aware that trouble will not be tollerated.

 

Sing, Chant and Banter is all fine. Throwing things to try and hurt people or try to start a ruck and you will end up in trouble. Simple rules for simple people I would have thought.

[Noggin]

I dont think it can be compared to other crimes or punishments though. Football related crime has been punished heavier for a long time. Its one of the main reasons that football related crime has decreased and makes watching football a more family friendly past time.

 

Are punishments too soft for many other crimes???? Yes they are.

Should people be let off the hook cause its only Football???? No they shouldnt.

 

The fact that the police know, we know and the media know a derby match will be a flash point and more risk of trouble should make people all the more aware that trouble will not be tollerated.

 

Sing, Chant and Banter is all fine. Throwing things to try and hurt people or try to start a ruck and you will end up in trouble. Simple rules for simple people I would have thought.

 

I understand what you say however with prisons being supposedly too full, wouldnt you rather the distributors of child porn being the ones filling the limited spaces instead of someone who the only evidence held is a video of them rattling a fence.

[Junior Mullet]

SAINTS fans were “a picture of unadulterated aggression’’ using threats and gestures of violence to intimidate Pompey supporters after last season's FA Cup derby, a court heard.

 

Southampton supporters gathered behind the fencing were “noisy’’ and “unruly’’ and were only there to bait Portsmouth fans.

 

It was a derby game FFS. Now I don't condone throwing coins - especially if it leads to someone losing an eye but come on FFS, the court should disregard the above comments and anything similar - it was a derby....what did Pompey expect?

[Junior Mullet]

I understand what you say however with prisons being supposedly too full, wouldnt you rather the distributors of child porn being the ones filling the limited spaces instead of someone who the only evidence held is a video of them rattling a fence.

 

Yes. To think how many kids have suffered in order to fulfil the sick demand of perverts like Andrew Rees-Long makes my stomach churn. Innocent victims should be protected. Football fans on a wind up are far form innocent.

[saintjay77]

I understand what you say however with prisons being supposedly too full, wouldnt you rather the distributors of child porn being the ones filling the limited spaces instead of someone who the only evidence held is a video of them rattling a fence.

 

I would rather child porn punishments be changed completly and public castrations be brought in followed by stoning and then the guilty to be left to the parents.

 

But the idea of tougher punishments to all is not to fill prisons to the top. It is supposed to act as a deterent too. If there is another local derby for us, will there be as many willing to act in the same way? If thats a no then there is less chance a space in a prison will be taken up by someone shaking a fence and leave an extra space for some nonce who should have his balls cut off and served up to the rats.

 

IMO this approach should be taken for more crimes and it may deter more people thinking of comiting even the pettier of crimes. I also think the Death penalty should be available to the really serious crimes too which will make even more space in the prisons for the idiots who still wont learn.

[Ken Tone]

The sad fact is that these lads are guilty of nothing more than a bit of sabre rattling whilst the real action was carried out far from the ground in an organised manner away from CCTV and other interferences.

 

I understood that several cars parked on the garage forecourt were damaged as well ... cars belonging to Saints fans I might add.

 

The sad fact is that if they are guilty, as in they were actually there and were doing what they are accused of, then they really can't complain if they get punished. Don't act like a prat, don't get arrested. ..not a difficult concept to grasp really is it?

[warsash saint]

My mate was on the original jury - he got rejected due to having a vested interest....he is a P*mpey fan

[wild-saint]

Having been at St Andrews where some brum fans started throwing some coins, and seeing a girl no older than 10 being hit, side of her head cut open and blood pouring out, I'd say throwing a coin is a pretty serious ****ing offence.

 

+1 send them down

[Deppo]

Pompey were as actively involved as Saints yet don't see any of their lot in court. Just goes to show how much a stitch-up this whole thing really is.

 

Grow up

[norwaysaint]

The weird thing with cases like this is how many posters who you previously saw as fairly right wing, suddenly turn out to be part of the namby-pamby, liberal, soft-on-crime brigade, wringing their hands and calling for softer sentencing.

 

Kaiser Soze is a prime example, but there are several others.

[wagon 84]

Having been at St Andrews where some brum fans started throwing some coins, and seeing a girl no older than 10 being hit, side of her head cut open and blood pouring out, I'd say throwing a coin is a pretty serious ****ing offence.

 

What the **** is a 10 year old girl doing, getting herself involved with nasty brum bullies? I hope you went over & sorted those nasty boys out?

[Baj]

What the **** is a 10 year old girl doing, getting herself involved with nasty brum bullies? I hope you went over & sorted those nasty boys out?

 

Yeah, but not before giving her a slap for letting us down

[Kaiser Soze]

The weird thing with cases like this is how many posters who you previously saw as fairly right wing, suddenly turn out to be part of the namby-pamby, liberal, soft-on-crime brigade, wringing their hands and calling for softer sentencing.

 

Kaiser Soze is a prime example, but there are several others.

 

I live in the real world. Anyone who can't see this is a stitch-up has their eyes closed. Any genuine Saints fan calling for other fans to be locked up needs to have a long hard look at themsleves. Best of luck to the lads involved, one is a good mate of mine so fingers crossed common sense prevails. The OB should hang their heads in shame.

[simo]

None of you know the facts so your all talking **** and judging people on hearsay! And that includes All of you the lovers and the haters!

[Rowan Gorilla 5]

The people involved have nobody to blame but themselves and if they receive a harsher sentence because it is football related then so be it. It has been long known that in this country football violence is treated differently to other violent crime owing to the massive problems experienced with hooliganism in the past. It's not as if something new has been sprung on some poor unsuspecting types.

[Baj]

presumably tho, the court proceedings will contain CCTV evidence of these people committing the crimes they are accused of? If not, then of course it's shakey ground and "his word against mine", but if CCTV evidence is used then there is absolutely no defence for that behaviour.

[Colinjb]

The people involved have nobody to blame but themselves and if they receive a harsher sentence because it is football related then so be it. It has been long known that in this country football violence is treated differently to other violent crime owing to the massive problems experienced with hooliganism in the past. It's not as if something new has been sprung on some poor unsuspecting types.

 

Completely agree.

 

If you choose to take part in something like this you only have yourself to to blame. Football violence is a blight on the game and cannot be tolerated.

 

Send them down.

[dingbattigger]

Those in court keep being referred to as 'lads'. How old are they? I would expect anyone over the age of about 10yrs to understand right from wrong. If they want to behave like hooligans then they should be prepared to take the consequences. If they didn't then they should not have a case to answer, simples.

[RedAndWhite91]

SAINTS fans were “a picture of unadulterated aggression’’ using threats and gestures of violence to intimidate Pompey supporters after last season's FA Cup derby, a court heard.

 

Southampton supporters gathered behind the fencing were “noisy’’ and “unruly’’ and were only there to bait Portsmouth fans.

 

It was a derby game FFS. Now I don't condone throwing coins - especially if it leads to someone losing an eye but come on FFS, the court should disregard the above comments and anything similar - it was a derby....what did Pompey expect?

 

Did the Pompey fans not congregate on the steps in front of Freeborn garages then? Were they not unruly and noisy?

 

Did the piece of rock that hit my mate just appear from nowhere?

 

Completely agree it's a derby and Pompey fans are to blame as much as Saints fans are. Neither party should be sent down though.

[Deppo]

one is a good mate of mine so fingers crossed common sense prevails. The OB should hang their heads in shame.

 

What a surprise! If there should any head hanging to be done it should be you and if there is any hanging to be done it should be done to your friends, the criminals. You cannot be soft with these people. It really is a short step from coin throwing to physically attacking someone with a knife. Given the choice of putting these potential murderers away for a long time or being potentially murdered, just for going to a football game, I know which I would prefer to happen.

[aintforever]

Anyone involved are idiots but I think that any punishment should fit the crime so prison sentences would be way too harsh for someone who just shook a fence. The idea that someone should be punished more because of the sport they choose to watch it bizarre.

 

I hope common sense prevails and they get a slap on the wrist.

[saintjay77]

The weird thing with cases like this is how many posters who you previously saw as fairly right wing, suddenly turn out to be part of the namby-pamby, liberal, soft-on-crime brigade, wringing their hands and calling for softer sentencing.

 

Kaiser Soze is a prime example, but there are several others.

 

I will gladly call for tougher sentances cause I am not likly to be caught doing any of these wrongs. The ones wanting lighter sentances are often the ones that are likly to get caught comiting the crime.

 

If they think going to the footy is all about getting into a ruck then they wont like getting there wrists slapped for it.