Taking Le Tiss - New Chapter

[Paul Chuckle]

This has probably already been posted but I noticed Matty's book is now in paper back in Waterstones yesterday. With the release on paper back I noticed a new chapter and had a quick read in the shop. Probably most of it has already been said but he mentions that if his takeover had been successful money would have been available to buy Lambert and 1 or 2 others and that funds would have got us out of League 1. He said funds would needed to be found from elsewhere though as there was only enough to get us out of league 1. Also mentions he spoke to Strachan about taking over who didn't want to get back in to management at the time but did recommend a few Scottish players we might be interested in. Also said Shearer and Dowie were very interested in becoming manager.

 

Povably stuff we already know and I appologise if already posted. He also mentions about the betting storm after his book was released. I've probably missed a few bits but only so much you can read in a book shop lol

[Deppo]

Is this new chapter at the beginning (as a new preface) or at the end of the book? I'd just like to know as I think I'll just print off what you wrote and staple it into my edition.

[Paul Chuckle]

Is this new chapter at the beginning (as a new preface) or at the end of the book? I'd just like to know as I think I'll just print off what you wrote and staple it into my edition.

 

Lol it's a new chapter at the end

[Badger]

....he mentions that if his takeover had been successful money would have been available to buy Lambert and 1 or 2 others and that funds would have got us out of League 1. He said funds would needed to be found from elsewhere though as there was only enough to get us out of league 1...... Also said Shearer and Dowie were very interested in becoming manager.

 

 

Funds were eventually available to buy "Lambert and 1 or 2 others", but it still did not buy the promotion.

 

As for Shearer,and especially Dowie, it looks as if we had a lucky escape.

[Spudders]

Is this new chapter at the beginning (as a new preface) or at the end of the book? I'd just like to know as I think I'll just print off what you wrote and staple it into my edition.

brilliant

[up and away]

This has probably already been posted but I noticed Matty's book is now in paper back in Waterstones yesterday. With the release on paper back I noticed a new chapter and had a quick read in the shop. Probably most of it has already been said but he mentions that if his takeover had been successful money would have been available to buy Lambert and 1 or 2 others and that funds would have got us out of League 1. He said funds would needed to be found from elsewhere though as there was only enough to get us out of league 1. Also mentions he spoke to Strachan about taking over who didn't want to get back in to management at the time but did recommend a few Scottish players we might be interested in. Also said Shearer and Dowie were very interested in becoming manager.

 

Povably stuff we already know and I appologise if already posted. He also mentions about the betting storm after his book was released. I've probably missed a few bits but only so much you can read in a book shop lol

 

Any Saints fan adores what Matty did on the pitch for us, but he must be a sandwich short of a picnic to keep repeating this nonesense. If the money was there, they would have bought the club, rather than just Crouch getting mugged to stump up the deposit. To then go onto say even more imaginary money was there to buy the likes of Lambert just beggars belief, put the spade down and try and forget it ever happened. I don't think Matty realises how close he came to putting us into liquidation, as the Adminitrator stated. Luckily Liebherr did not get the dog and came back to the table.

 

As soon as they came back with the requirement to renegotiate the points deduction with the league, this had essence of kipper over the whole affair. Anyone with just a minimal knowledge of football would have told them the league would be immoveable on this point. Just bringing this up can only be seen as a stalling or an exit strategy.

[LostBoys]

They never had any money - fact. Also MLT was asked to front it up by the administrator. His only mistake was to agree without his lawyer asking for proof of funds - oh I think the administrator should have done that as well. We are lucky that Markus was still around after being messed around by those bunch of tossers.

[Colinjb]

They never had any money - fact. Also MLT was asked to front it up by the administrator. His only mistake was to agree without his lawyer asking for proof of funds - oh I think the administrator should have done that as well. We are lucky that Markus was still around after being messed around by those bunch of tossers.

 

This.

 

I wish the great man hadn't been suckered in with that bunch of chancers. It is soiling his own name that he continues his association and defence of them. Let it go Matt, please.....

[hamster]

does he mention 19C or leftback in the new chapter?

[Fitzhugh Fella]

They never had any money - fact. Also MLT was asked to front it up by the administrator. His only mistake was to agree without his lawyer asking for proof of funds - oh I think the administrator should have done that as well. We are lucky that Markus was still around after being messed around by those bunch of tossers.

 

There was some interesting but libellous allegations made on this forum yesterday that suposedly were made by NC to fans about the behaviour of Begbies during the takeover.

While obviously you have to be careful the allegations were serious and if true should be investigated because the very future of our club was at stake at the time.

[Saint Fan CaM]

There was some interesting but libellous allegations made on this forum yesterday that suposedly were made by NC to fans about the behaviour of Begbies during the takeover.

While obviously you have to be careful the allegations were serious and if true should be investigated because the very future of our club was at stake at the time.

 

With respect, I would suggest that in this instance it would be better to let sleeping dogs lie. I can see no good whatsoever in this being highlighted atall and I am surprised that the Mods have not removed the information as has happened in the past.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

With respect, I would suggest that in this instance it would be better to let sleeping dogs lie. I can see no good whatsoever in this being highlighted atall and I am surprised that the Mods have not removed the information as has happened in the past.

 

I think the mods did remove it or edit it.

If NC said it then it is he who will not let sleeping dogs lie and I don't blame him because IF it is true then he came to the table very handicapped. Without that handicap and with more time last season could have worked out quite differently.

 

There is a lot of crap been swept under our carpet over the last decade, some for good reasons and some not. I take your point but crap does not nor should not always remain hidden to spare the guilty.

[Patrick Bateman]

I couldn't give a stuff about the takeover mess, what happened happened and we ended up with a great owner and a good chairman (when other football chairman are considered). So no complaints from me.

 

Anyway; I'm currently reading this book, is a really good read, but only because I'm a Saints fan. I don't think non-Saints fans would necessarily read it. Before that, I read Roy Keane's book, which was absolutely superb, one of the best autobiographies I've ever read - really well put together, great stories and you do end up liking the guy a bit!! Also, there were less grammar errors than in Matt's book ... !!

 

But, it is a good book, really interesting and I'm enjoying it. It's good to read how he felt about the various managers, especially Branfoot.

[Turkish]

I couldn't give a stuff about the takeover mess, what happened happened and we ended up with a great owner and a good chairman (when other football chairman are considered). So no complaints from me.

 

Anyway; I'm currently reading this book, is a really good read, but only because I'm a Saints fan. I don't think non-Saints fans would necessarily read it. Before that, I read Roy Keane's book, which was absolutely superb, one of the best autobiographies I've ever read - really well put together, great stories and you do end up liking the guy a bit!! Also, there were less grammar errors than in Matt's book ... !!

 

But, it is a good book, really interesting and I'm enjoying it. It's good to read how he felt about the various managers, especially Branfoot.

 

This.

[buctootim]

There was some interesting but libellous allegations made on this forum yesterday that suposedly were made by NC to fans about the behaviour of Begbies during the takeover.

While obviously you have to be careful the allegations were serious and if true should be investigated because the very future of our club was at stake at the time.

 

I thought it was publicly acknowledged fact that Pinnacle were the preferred bidder for a considerable period, and were also granted exclusivity for some weeks. Whilst it was interesting to read of NC's take on the impact of the Liebherr bid, it didnt fundamentally change anything we already knew.

[hamster]

I thought it was publicly acknowledged fact that Pinnacle were the preferred bidder for a considerable period, and were also granted exclusivity for some weeks. Whilst it was interesting to read of NC's take on the impact of the Liebherr bid, it didnt fundamentally change anything we already knew.

 

Those two bits, yes, common public knowledge.

 

I think reference was being made to other information within a post on another thread that was either untrue or was a very very illegal thing to do by that Begbies fellow. I would hazard a guess that repeating it could land SWF in water that would be too warm to wash a baby in. I wouldn't even repeat it via Pm but as is the nature of this sort of thing, it sounds plausible but I would ask why it (the allegation) was not met with the incedent being reported rather than the (reported) rebuttal* by Markus.

 

* probably wrong use of the word.

[buctootim]

Those two bits, yes, common public knowledge.

 

I think reference was being made to other information within a post on another thread that was either untrue or was a very very illegal thing to do by that Begbies fellow. I would hazard a guess that repeating it could land SWF in water that would be too warm to wash a baby in. I wouldn't even repeat it via Pm but as is the nature of this sort of thing, it sounds plausible but I would ask why it (the allegation) was not met with the incedent being reported rather than the (reported) rebuttal* by Markus.

 

* probably wrong use of the word.

 

Ah okay Hammy, thanks. Didn't see that other part before it disappeared.

[Badger]

Any Saints fan adores what Matty did on the pitch for us, but he must be a sandwich short of a picnic to keep repeating this nonesense. If the money was there, they would have bought the club, ...... Luckily Liebherr did not get the dog and came back to the table.

 

 

This is probably it, in a nutshell.

 

Le Tiss was a demi-God as a player in my lifetime of watching Saints, only Channon can share this status in my years.But MLT's involvement in the Pinnacle fiasco really tarnishes his image.

 

Watching some MLT clips on Youtube yesterday,pure genius with a ball.I'd like to remember him for that rather than now bleating about "what might have been".

[SNSUN]

This is probably it, in a nutshell.

 

Le Tiss was a demi-God as a player in my lifetime of watching Saints, only Channon can share this status in my years.But MLT's involvement in the Pinnacle fiasco really tarnishes his image.

 

Watching some MLT clips on Youtube yesterday,pure genius with a ball.I'd like to remember him for that rather than now bleating about "what might have been".

 

As part of my recent Christmas shopping from Amazon, I decided to buy "Unbelieveable" narrated by David Baddiel which I'd been meaning to buy for years. MLT was quite simply a genius, I had cooked a ready meal just before watching it, and was so engrossed in the video that my meal went cold. Techinically I've been a Saints fan since 1989 but I didn't truly start following them until around 1994 when I went to my senior school, so I largely missed his earlier career. What a player, he could play on both wings and was scoring from anywhere. It's also interesting to see how good the Wallace brothers were. (Not Ray. :-))

 

I notice a lot of his earlier goals were less outstanding but more about dribbling from anywhere and shooting, his best goals, the ones that really stood out, seemed to happen as he got older and, erm, broader.

 

I thought it was gutting to see the players we could have had in our current team, Walcott, Bale, Baird, Blackstock et al, but it doesn't compare to the team we could have had in the early 90's had we not sold everyone.

[aintforever]

But MLT's involvement in the Pinnacle fiasco really tarnishes his image.

 

******, all he did was try to save the club. Obviously guilty of being naive in business but that tarnishes nothing, it's the people that strung him along that are to blame.

 

You also have to question the administrator, who knew of Leibherr's interest while all the Pinnacle nonsense was going on - why didn't he just sell to Leibherr straight away?

[eelpie]

 

Also, there were less grammar errors than in Matt's book ... !!

 

On a grammatical error point........

[Secret Site Agent]

Blah Blah........No Money........Rubarb Rubarb.......Liquidation........Hummina Hummina.......Marcus........Blurb Blurb.........MLT still a hero................Such and Such.

 

It's a shame that he was taken advantage off, as I believe, but he should let it lie. Didn't he learn from the 'Betting Scandal' from the last book. No amount of info at this stage can justify what happened, we all know the story, and most believe we had a close shave. Considering the shananagans down the road, this just rakes up old wounds.

[dubai_phil]

There was some interesting but libellous allegations made on this forum yesterday that suposedly were made by NC to fans about the behaviour of Begbies during the takeover.

While obviously you have to be careful the allegations were serious and if true should be investigated because the very future of our club was at stake at the time.

 

That will teach me not to read every new post that comes on here during a day.

[miserableoldgit]

On a grammatical error point........

Were there "less" or "fewer" grammatical errors?? ;-)

[John B]

******, all he did was try to save the club. Obviously guilty of being naive in business but that tarnishes nothing, it's the people that strung him along that are to blame.

 

You also have to question the administrator, who knew of Leibherr's interest while all the Pinnacle nonsense was going on - why didn't he just sell to Leibherr straight away?

 

Because Pinnacle paid them money so the club could continue

[Norm]

Boll*&^s to all the above! Just tell me, did Javi get a mention in the new chapter?

 

Oh, as for reading Roy 'The Turd' Keanes book, I wouldn't wipe my a$&* with it. Thinking about his efforts (?) when with the Ireland squad, give me a nasty taste.

[up and away]

Originally Posted by Fitzhugh Fella

There was some interesting but libellous allegations made on this forum yesterday that suposedly were made by NC to fans about the behaviour of Begbies during the takeover.

While obviously you have to be careful the allegations were serious and if true should be investigated because the very future of our club was at stake at the time.

 

That will teach me not to read every new post that comes on here during a day.

 

I don't think there was too much in that, just not standard in this situation. My guess would have been money put in by Crouch that helped keep us afloat or out of Liebherrs hands, which ever way you want to look at it. No way of paying it back officially, no matter what may have been promised or errors by the administrator. And I can't see Liebherr being too happy about reimbursing someone he viewed as damaging.

[dubai_phil]

I don't think there was too much in that, just not standard in this situation. My guess would have been money put in by Crouch that helped keep us afloat or out of Liebherrs hands, which ever way you want to look at it. No way of paying it back officially, no matter what may have been promised or errors by the administrator. And I can't see Liebherr being too happy about reimbursing someone he viewed as damaging.

 

Just another interesting anecdote about the dark days.

 

Thing is, one day, somebody will get all the little bits of anecdotes together and someone will get their bottom slapped.

 

Luckily we've moved on

 

As long as we sign cover for Rickie that is of course

[aintforever]

Because Pinnacle paid them money so the club could continue

 

Pinnacle paid them money so the administrator could sit on his fat arse earning shed loads more like. If the administrator sold the club to Liebherr a few months earlier it wouldn't have needed to be kept on a life support machine whilst Pinnacle dicked about.

[SFC Forever]

For me the problem now is not the events of the past. They are over and hopefully never to be seen again at our club.

 

Our main thoughts now should be on how we are going to get up to the CCC for next season.

[SaintRichmond]

This has probably already been posted but I noticed Matty's book is now in paper back in Waterstones yesterday. With the release on paper back I noticed a new chapter and had a quick read in the shop. Probably most of it has already been said but he mentions that if his takeover had been successful money would have been available to buy Lambert and 1 or 2 others and that funds would have got us out of League 1. He said funds would needed to be found from elsewhere though as there was only enough to get us out of league 1. Also mentions he spoke to Strachan about taking over who didn't want to get back in to management at the time but did recommend a few Scottish players we might be interested in. Also said Shearer and Dowie were very interested in becoming manager.

 

Povably stuff we already know and I appologise if already posted. He also mentions about the betting storm after his book was released. I've probably missed a few bits but only so much you can read in a book shop lol

 

I'm surprised he still thinks that

 

I thought it was common knowledge that the "Purchaser" was already £50 overdrawn at Lloyds TSB ????

[trousers]

Those two bits, yes, common public knowledge.

 

I think reference was being made to other information within a post on another thread that was either untrue or was a very very illegal thing to do by that Begbies fellow. I would hazard a guess that repeating it could land SWF in water that would be too warm to wash a baby in. I wouldn't even repeat it via Pm but as is the nature of this sort of thing, it sounds plausible but I would ask why it (the allegation) was not met with the incedent being reported rather than the (reported) rebuttal* by Markus.

 

* probably wrong use of the word.

 

Damn - a few days away from the forum and I miss a piece of information that helps unravel the whole takeover malarkey that I spent 3 years of my life glued to on here.

 

Bugger.

[trousers]

Perhaps someone could repeat the information on here but preface it with "This is NOT what happened: blah blah blah".

 

That way, the information can be re-posted in the knowledge that no-one can be sued as it is quite clear that the indformation is not true.....

 

Sneaky but completely above board....

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Trousers - the allegations which NC apparently made to fans at a recent dinner and subsequently relayed on this forum were - if true - potentially libellous towards Begbies. I would be surprsied NC made them to be frank as I think he is a more cautious man than that.

Don't think they should be repeated in any format on a forum.

 

However there remains a lot of inuendo/gossip surrounding the whole takeover saga which will remain until the truth comes out one day. Is it relevant? I suppose while key characters are still "on the scene" it does have relevance plus of course it is always satisfying to get to the bottom of any story, especially if you follow the club's history.

[Window Cleaner]

Damn - a few days away from the forum and I miss a piece of information that helps unravel the whole takeover malarkey that I spent 3 years of my life glued to on here.

 

Bugger.

 

You only have to zip over to the Ugly or that other lot and County Saint's original post is up for all to see.

Well at least it was yesterday, it's exactly the same as the post that was here.

[trousers]

Cheers

[trousers]

You only have to zip over to the Ugly or that other lot and County Saint's original post is up for all to see.

Well at least it was yesterday, it's exactly the same as the post that was here.

 

Can't find it. Link?

[Window Cleaner]

Can't find it. Link?

 

nope I don't know that I should do that.

Ugly Inside forum, page 4 "Cortese's vision for our future" or something of that ilk.v Thread by Patred, towards the bottom of the page.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

nope I don't know that I should do that.

Ugly Inside forum, page 4 "Cortese's vision for our future" or something of that ilk.v Thread by Patred, towards the bottom of the page.

 

Patred used to post on here didn't he?

Seem to remember getting some interesting pms from him too.

[Window Cleaner]

Patred used to post on here didn't he?

Seem to remember getting some interesting pms from him too.

 

Yes Pat used to be a regular here, seem to remember him getting into some pretty heated arguments from time to time and also posting up some interesting stuff.Don't know why he stopped(or slowed down) though.He has a son who's a keeper up in East Anglia, don't know if he's still on pro-terms though or where he is now.A lot of his info seemed to come from various goalkeeping coaches, some of whom were pretty close friends of his.

 

Looked him up, he was on yesterday...lounge maybe.Got into some sort of not-so-pro Cortese arguments notably with DD,think they had a bit of a

barney when we were appointing our new manager.

Edited 23 December, 2010 by Window Cleaner