CWD Posted 3 January, 2011 Share Posted 3 January, 2011 Mods could we maybe have a poll on this? I'm interested to see which of these two rates higher in the minds of most fans. IMO Nige has managed them very well so far, playing each in games where he feels they will be more effective. However if you could only play one at LB for the rest of the season, who would you choose and why? Personally I would go for Harding as I feel he is the more devensively able. Don't get me wrong though I rate RD very highly, particularly as a winger. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 3 January, 2011 Share Posted 3 January, 2011 It's too tricky. They are both excellent. But I have more faith in Harding, he is the 'old favourite' and I feel he just offers more in all areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 3 January, 2011 Share Posted 3 January, 2011 Dickson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 3 January, 2011 Share Posted 3 January, 2011 Harding with Dickson as cover for LB and LM...But reasonable rotation re number of games etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfcjmcsfc16 Posted 3 January, 2011 Share Posted 3 January, 2011 dickson, harding makes alot of careless mistakes, he is useless , l.2 at best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 3 January, 2011 Share Posted 3 January, 2011 I feel loyalty towards Harding as he has never really put a foot wrong with us, a steady-eady if you like. I'd still put him as my first choice. Dickson is the more exciting of the pair but I see no issue in using them how we have been - all 4 full backs are being rotated pretty well actually, being utilised for their strengths in the right games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony F Posted 3 January, 2011 Share Posted 3 January, 2011 I think Dickson has more to offer as an Impact Player (ie Nigel substitution) than Dan - so from an overall team perspective, I suggest it is a better game plan to start with Dan on the pitch and RD waiting for his moment to torment a tiring opposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 3 January, 2011 Share Posted 3 January, 2011 dickson, harding makes alot of careless mistakes, he is useless , l.2 at best mental view, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colbury Posted 3 January, 2011 Share Posted 3 January, 2011 Dickson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 3 January, 2011 Share Posted 3 January, 2011 Harding narrowly edges it, but only just. Dickson has started to produce the kind of performances that made Pardew bring him to St. Mary's in the summer, but I still favour the tried and tested DH. One things for sure, it's fantastic to see that we have such strength in depth, with our third choice left-back playing regularly for a Championship side! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 3 January, 2011 Share Posted 3 January, 2011 Harding was my favourite player last season - I tried in vain to get the "you'll never beat Dan Harding" chant going (a la Des Walker) - but this season Dickson is better in my eyes. What a brilliant situation to be in and exactly why I argued all summer long against those saying `why have we signed a left back?' If a quality player is there buy him even if you end up with three of them. Dickson has everything you can ask for of a left back, inclouding some real quality going forward. Let me give you one very simple example today. He overlapped well, but when getting close to the byeline he ran otu space to cross but he had the confidence to clip it past the fullback right on the touchline. Harding doesn't have that ability on the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 4 January, 2011 Share Posted 4 January, 2011 Dickson, i like Harding, i really do and feel a bit sorry for him that he has fallen into this position, but Dickson is the better all round player and IMO fits our game plan a lot better as he is better on the ball. I really wouldn't say there was a lot in the defending department either TBF, Dickson doesn't seem to be beaten that often if at all which i would also say was Hardings great strength, but the difference is when we are breaking you get Dickson marauding up the left with good dribbling ability and a great cross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 4 January, 2011 Share Posted 4 January, 2011 Harding every time. A left backs first job is defence and not many people get past Harding. Every time I've seen Dickson he comes a cross as light weight and easily pushed off the ball by big strong players. Going forward Dickson is better (although Harding isn't bad in that department). Dickson was a LW at Plymouth he only started playing LB at Brentford personally for me he is a better winger than a LB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 4 January, 2011 Share Posted 4 January, 2011 dickson, harding makes alot of careless mistakes, he is useless , l.2 at best Well, it's all about opinions, but I doon't have much respect for yours, as Harding has been a good and reliable servant of this club since he arrived. Harding seldom makes mistakes, but even the most accomplished defenders make the occasional mistake, even at the highest International level. But Dickson is good cover for Harding and nice that we have this option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil the Saint Posted 4 January, 2011 Share Posted 4 January, 2011 Dickson for me. More going forward and will help unlock parked defences by getting to the bye line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 4 January, 2011 Share Posted 4 January, 2011 Harding. I could probably count the number of times I've seen him beaten on one hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManorHouseSaint Posted 4 January, 2011 Share Posted 4 January, 2011 Dickson. Every time. Harding is great going forward but is so positionally inept it is untrue. I felt that both last season and this season he was at fault for a number of goals due to him being dragged out of position. He also gives away needless, silly fouls in dangerous areas of the pitch too. Dickson is a far better all round player, as yesterday's performance highlighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 4 January, 2011 Share Posted 4 January, 2011 Dickson. Close though, more likely the one in form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 4 January, 2011 Share Posted 4 January, 2011 I love Harding's enthusiasm (sometimes bordering on the Franny level), but much prefer Dickson as a footballer for the same reasons as ManorHouse gives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 4 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 4 January, 2011 more likely the one in form. Indeed. Or else who Nige thinks will deal better with conditions of a particular game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 4 January, 2011 Share Posted 4 January, 2011 The OP suggests that Adkins is swapping them around to suit the game. In fact he's doing this for most of the back-line which makes emminent sense. So I'm afraid to say there seems little point in joining in the arguement about "who is best" - both offer something slightly different in relation to the rest of the team make-up and if either one fulfills the job set him on matchday then great...the plan has worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 4 January, 2011 Share Posted 4 January, 2011 Dickson is the better football, but I would much prefer to see Harding starting every week. He's far more likely to show true mettle when the chips are down and gives us some much needed passion and enthusiam in the back four. Pops up with some important goals as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 4 January, 2011 Share Posted 4 January, 2011 Dickson,any day of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 4 January, 2011 Share Posted 4 January, 2011 Harding, he's still one of my favourite players in our team and is a very good left back. Dickson has been good on the times I've seen him play, but he's still behind Harding in the pecking order I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 4 January, 2011 Share Posted 4 January, 2011 I'd choose Harding to start if we were forced to pick one, purely because he was Player of the Season last year behind Rickie Lambert, and has proved again this season that he is a very good defender in this league - despite one or two iffy performances earlier in the season under Pardew. But they are both good players and offer different things for different situations, which is a great option to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesfp1 Posted 4 January, 2011 Share Posted 4 January, 2011 This is a tricky one, I would start harding against the stronger teams and dickson against the weaker teams (which is what it looks like adkins is doing). They are both very good and have their own strengths which is a great little situation we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Saint Posted 4 January, 2011 Share Posted 4 January, 2011 Harding was my favourite player last season - I tried in vain to get the "you'll never beat Dan Harding" chant going (a la Des Walker) - but this season Dickson is better in my eyes. What a brilliant situation to be in and exactly why I argued all summer long against those saying `why have we signed a left back?' If a quality player is there buy him even if you end up with three of them. Dickson has everything you can ask for of a left back, inclouding some real quality going forward. Let me give you one very simple example today. He overlapped well, but when getting close to the byeline he ran otu space to cross but he had the confidence to clip it past the fullback right on the touchline. Harding doesn't have that ability on the ball. And of course Dickson's characteristic lack of concentration in defence led to their goal....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 4 January, 2011 Share Posted 4 January, 2011 It's a really difficult one. I think Dickson is the better player, but Harding works so hard I think it would be harsh to drop him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 4 January, 2011 Share Posted 4 January, 2011 Dickson, but I think Nigel is managing them both very well. Would like to see Dickson given a string of games though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 4 January, 2011 Share Posted 4 January, 2011 Harding. I could probably count the number of times I've seen him beaten on one hand. I don't disagree with you, but I've yet to see anyone beat Dickson yet and some posters suggest he is not as good defensively. They are both bloody great defensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 4 January, 2011 Share Posted 4 January, 2011 And of course Dickson's characteristic lack of concentration in defence led to their goal....... don't understand that comment. Dickson goes out to close Green who passes down the line with Hammond tracking that runner (Tomlin). Tomlin then turns back and leaves Hammond chasing a shadow. Dickson, having tracked their right back Doe, comes towards Tomlin and tries to intercept the pass back to Green who then sends in the cross for the goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 4 January, 2011 Share Posted 4 January, 2011 almost like being there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 4 January, 2011 Share Posted 4 January, 2011 Poll added. Open for two days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 4 January, 2011 Share Posted 4 January, 2011 Dickson for me. I like DH but I feel he makes too many silly little mistakes and Dickson offers more to the team, especially going forward. He's probably the most attack-offering fullbakc we've had since Bale left. Like I said, I was a big fan of DH, especially last season, but to me he seems to have little moments where he switches off during matches and has been at fault for a few goals conceded in his time here. Plymouth at home on opening day of season springs to mind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 4 January, 2011 Share Posted 4 January, 2011 Dickson for me. I like DH but I feel he makes too many silly little mistakes and Dickson offers more to the team, especially going forward. He's probably the most attack-offering fullbakc we've had since Bale left. Like I said, I was a big fan of DH, especially last season, but to me he seems to have little moments where he switches off during matches and has been at fault for a few goals conceded in his time here. Plymouth at home on opening day of season springs to mind! Hardly Dicksons finest hour either though he was very poor as I recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 4 January, 2011 Share Posted 4 January, 2011 Of course they might both end up playing if Lallana moves onHarding at LB and Dickson at LW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 4 January, 2011 Share Posted 4 January, 2011 Hardly Dicksons finest hour either though he was very poor as I recall. played at left midfield and did alright IMO putting in some bloody brilliant crosses that Hammond and other just failed to make the most of. I recall he got slated a little (as you do when the team loses) as a few of his mazy runs didn't end up with him beating the fullback, but in my mind it was easy to see he had it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOOTBALL CRAZY Posted 4 January, 2011 Share Posted 4 January, 2011 Dickson by a mile - Harding's performance was very poor at Carlisle. I know that was only one game but at times in other games he gets caught out of position Dickson offers so much more going forward and defensively is just as good if not better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 4 January, 2011 Share Posted 4 January, 2011 dont think it is as black and white as 1 or the other. alot depends on wh we are up against. Also Dickson played v Exeter through the middle and did well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 4 January, 2011 Share Posted 4 January, 2011 I can't split them IMO they both have good and bad parts to their game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 4 January, 2011 Share Posted 4 January, 2011 Harding at Home Dickson Away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1Minus10 Posted 4 January, 2011 Share Posted 4 January, 2011 Harding has made a lot of defensive mistakes this season and often seems to be ball watching. Also, he often fails to stop the cross coming in by not getting close enough quickly enough. Dickson is easily his equal as a defender, is quicker and is better going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 4 January, 2011 Share Posted 4 January, 2011 that's conclusive then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 4 January, 2011 Share Posted 4 January, 2011 and then we have Mills improving every week so I'm told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 4 January, 2011 Share Posted 4 January, 2011 Ben Reeves is better than the lot of them......one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManorHouseSaint Posted 5 January, 2011 Share Posted 5 January, 2011 Jesus, how is Harding winning the poll? If we make it up to The Championship, in my opinion he would be the first person we would need to shift out. It would be a case of thank you for your service, you played well at times, but you're not good enough for this league. I would rather have Dickson and Mills as the left back options, in The Championship too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 5 January, 2011 Share Posted 5 January, 2011 Hardly Dicksons finest hour either though he was very poor as I recall. Except he played LM and put in some fantastic crosses in that i was screaming we should be putting in the back of the net. If i recall we had a problem that we had two little men upfront and were playing long balls and getting crosses into the box, something the commander and chief should have changed and sadly didn't. Low and behold Plymouths unit of a front man nodded down one of their only long balls and goal. C'est La Vie. Oh BTW, Hardings fault for that goal too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 5 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 5 January, 2011 Not much in it then! Good sign really that we have two LBs that are (imo) NPC standard. It'll be interesting to see who lines up against Blackpool. The next question then is should we bring Mills back? I rate Fish highly but do we need him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 5 January, 2011 Share Posted 5 January, 2011 Its hard, he is a good player but IMO Dickson is a lot better a both are young. I would let Mills go, for a decent fee and let him carry on his footballing career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 5 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 5 January, 2011 Its hard, he is a good player but IMO Dickson is a lot better a both are young. I would let Mills go, for a decent fee and let him carry on his footballing career. How old are they both? I agree though regretfully about Mills, but if we do lose AL then we should certainly keep him as a LM. He is after all proven at NPC level which not many of our players can claim! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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