Danish Saint Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 Went unoticed here, but has joined Eastbourne on loan according to the BBC. Mind you - only for a month. Ticks another box for this transfer window for me. Getting rid of more deadwood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 I sense that the long term forecast is non-league. Perhaps the Skates would be interested? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 (edited) Went unoticed here, but has joined Eastbourne on loan according to the BBC. Mind you - only for a month. Ticks another box for this transfer window for me. Getting rid of more deadwood. Forecast had rave reviews when he came here on a 5 year contarct ! (same time as Bale left), but hardly seen any action. Some people say he's s***e, but very few have seen him outside the training ground. He's still relatively young and most keepers don't develop until they reach 30. Memories of Tim Flowers, who was abominable as Reserve keeper but eventually got his chance and went on to win an England cap before moving to Blackburn's Prem. League winning side (together with former Saints Shearer and Kenna), and England keeper for a while after. No-one gets good by sitting on the bench, my guess is that NA (a former 'keeper himself ) will sneak off to watch Eastbourse a few times to see what he's got in the Reserve department) and not dump him at the first opportunity. Edited 1 February, 2011 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Danish Saint Posted 1 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 1 February, 2011 Forecast had rave reviews when he came here on a 5 year contarct ! (same time as Bale left), but hardly seen any action. Some people say he's s***e, but very few have seen him outside the training ground. He's still relatively young and most keepers don't develop until they reach 30. Memories of Tim Flowers, who was abominable as Reserve keeper but eventually got his chance and went on to win an England cap before moving to Blackburn's Prem. League winning side (together with former Saints Shearer and Kenna), and England keeper for a while after. No-one gets good by sitting on the bench, my guess is that NA (a former 'keeper himself ) will sneak off to watch Eastbourse a few times to see what he's got in the Reserve department) and not dump him at the first opportunity. There's a reason, no one has seen him outside the training ground. He's clearly no where near as good as KD or Bart. A host of different managers has all seen this, and I've trusted in all our managers apart from the last Dutchman. You're right in saying no-one gets better by sitting on the bench, but he didn't impress at Grimsby. Now moved a leauge down from that. If he couldn't command a longer stay at a leauge 2 side, why should we keep him on the books? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 Forecast had rave reviews when he came here on a 5 year contarct ! (same time as Bale left), but hardly seen any action. Some people say he's s***e, but very few have seen him outside the training ground. He's still relatively young and most keepers don't develop until they reach 30. Memories of Tim Flowers, who was abominable as Reserve keeper but eventually got his chance and went on to win an England cap before moving to Blackburn's Prem. League winning side (together with former Saints Shearer and Kenna), and England keeper for a while after. No-one gets good by sitting on the bench, my guess is that NA (a former 'keeper himself ) will sneak off to watch Eastbourse a few times to see what he's got in the Reserve department) and not dump him at the first opportunity. No he most certainly did NOT! He is abysmal and the reason he has been nowhere near a league appearance is because he is a joke. His nickname of Tommy Fourpast. You are talking absolute sh*t in your reference to Flowers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 I'm sad that we've lost yet another witty play-on-words outlet.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 Poor old Tommy, criticised by Grimsby fans for being the tallest pile of ****e ever seen between the sticks at Blundell Park' Probably found his level at Eastbourne but dont be surprised to see him back here at the end of the loan period to complete the 5 yr contract agreed by Mr Lowe Then there is young Anthony. Not wanted by Stockport, bottom of the old Div 4 and shipping goals like a collander. Two wonderfully astute signings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 Poor old Tommy, criticised by Grimsby fans for being the tallest pile of ****e ever seen between the sticks at Blundell Park' Probably found his level at Eastbourne but dont be surprised to see him back here at the end of the loan period to complete the 5 yr contract agreed by Mr Lowe Then there is young Anthony. Not wanted by Stockport, bottom of the old Div 4 and shipping goals like a collander. Two wonderfully astute signings Mr Lowe did bring in Schneiderlin around the same time though. You win some, you lose some... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 Mr Lowe did bring in Schneiderlin around the same time though. You win some, you lose some... But Schniderlin cost a £1m and was recomended by George Prost i believe, i think it's safe to say whoever recomend the other two should no longer work in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 That Scott Bevan seems to have eventually made it back into full time footie after moving on from us ages back. Nearly died at Tamworth when he got a kicked by an opposing player which shattered his Kidney. Now on his 12th club Torquay where he seems to be doing alright. Like someone else said goalies don't seem to come into their own till they hit 30 and Scott is 31 now. When Tottenham unloaded Tommy and we gave him a 5 year contract, they must have been wetting themselves with laughter at our naivety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntingdon Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 Forecast must have had great ability when younger. Nobody gets into Tottenham's academy without having shown the attributes of making a good player. He might need to rebuild his career and confidence at a club where he's valued and is first choice This clearly won't be Saints, but he still has every chance of developing into a decent keeper in the Conference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 Forecast must have had great ability when younger. Nobody gets into Tottenham's academy without having shown the attributes of making a good player. Being a goalie is not easy, he can only play in one position. When you think the volume of shining lights we have had playing in the Academy teams but not quite made the step as they got older, then folks like Benali who started out as a striker but found himself bedded in at left back, Bridge the same winger to left back, Bale left back to winger. Guly plays where NA tells him to. Unfortunately Goalkeeping must be the hardest position to wait for there are only 92 number 1's in the league whereas we probably have 4 or more options for left back etc at present. Whilst I might have been harsh in closing my previous post, if you are number 3 goalie at a team you have really got to be pushing the number 2 hard. Bart obviously is very well placed to have been chosen to play between the sticks in a game like Saturdays where in most teams when the top team in the land comes to town all the key positions are filled by the regulars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 But Schniderlin cost a £1m and was recomended by George Prost i believe, i think it's safe to say whoever recomend the other two should no longer work in football. I'm assuming the Prost connection is gone now. Shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 I dont see the logic in keeping Forecast and Pulis on contract. If we arent able to give them away, and even lower league teams dont want them on long term loans, then why not cancel their contracts and clear out space for up and coming players with potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 (edited) No he most certainly did NOT! He is abysmal and the reason he has been nowhere near a league appearance is because he is a joke. His nickname of Tommy Fourpast. You are talking absolute sh*t in your reference to Flowers. Firstly, I didn't say Forecast was first team material, but that if you recall.. there was a lot of media hype about him when he moved here. Having said that a 6' 7" goalie is bound to attract attention. Tim Flowers was pretty appauling in the beginning and in a queue behind Shilton and Burridge, it took time for him to develop. It's all about confidence, and letting in 4 goals is easy if you have a dubious defence in front of you. I can recall the start of the 1982-3 season when Saints conceded 18 goals in the first 7 games and our goalie...was Peter Shilton. NO ! I am not comparing Forecast with him, either. We have 3 senior keepers and a couple of (ex) Academy lads around too, Decisons have to be made and putting him out on loan is the best way to find out his value. He 's fairly sure to be the one to go..Let's just hope we don't eventually regret it ! BTW Grimsby were near the bottom of L2 before Forecast was loaned to them last season, which says something about their defence. Edited 1 February, 2011 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 I'm assuming the Prost connection is gone now. Shame. yeah he got cancer sadly and moved back to France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 yeah he got cancer sadly and moved back to France. I thought he came back here for a while after between his cancer and going back. I got the impression that there was some connection between him and Lowe, hence the Morgan signing, which is now dead to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 I got the impression at the time that recommending Morgan to Saints (and presumably Saints to Morgan) was Prost's thank you to the club for the way he was looked after during his cancer treatment (we carried on paying him when he couldnt work but was out of contract afaik) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K,Billy's supersound Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 might evoke in him a desire to actually play football rather than just train and collect his wages every week. never know he might come back and agree to mutual termination of his contract. cant see it though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 same time as Bale left He joined over a year after Bale left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 He joined over a year after Bale left. You might have to explain it one more time.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 You might have to explain it one more time.. We got Forecast as part of the deal when we went back to Spurs a year or so after Bale left and said - "we are skint, can we trade in all the future payments for some cash and players now?". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLEEDREDANDWHITE Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 Forecast will come back to complete the remaining 2 years of his contract because no other team will be able to match his wages ( rumoured to be around £2000 a week, after Lowe rated him so highly) Saints must be still paying his wages because Eastbourne could not afford them !!! Young Pulis will also see out his contract because when it ends it is doubtful he will find another league club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 (edited) We got Forecast as part of the deal when we went back to Spurs a year or so after Bale left and said - "we are skint, can we trade in all the future payments for some cash and players now?". It sounds much better coming from you buctootim..... Be ready to explain this again....and again.. Any consolation I always listen to you and MLG . WIFM PS At the time I stated quite strongly that Tommy Forecast was a midfielder and he had been mixed up with Anthony Pulis who is really a goalie.. No one listened to me... Edited 1 February, 2011 by ottery st mary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 Forecast will come back to complete the remaining 2 years of his contract because no other team will be able to match his wages ( rumoured to be around £2000 a week, after Lowe rated him so highly) Saints must be still paying his wages because Eastbourne could not afford them !!! Young Pulis will also see out his contract because when it ends it is doubtful he will find another league club Doesnt explain why we don't just bite the bullet, pay up their contracts and release them though. Realistically they are never going to play and having them around the squad must send some kind of message to the others about 'hey guys, just turn up, train and get paid'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartosz Bialkowski Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 Forecast will come back to complete the remaining 2 years of his contract because no other team will be able to match his wages ( rumoured to be around £2000 a week, after Lowe rated him so highly) Saints must be still paying his wages because Eastbourne could not afford them !!! Young Pulis will also see out his contract because when it ends it is doubtful he will find another league club £2k a week, sorry but I dont know who told you that but its total crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 Man in the pub said it was £4,000 and someone called Arry the agent got some as well..Allegedly... PS Forgot...Sorry...He had to make one appearance for Saints or England to get an add on.. Pair of goalkeeping gloves... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 BB Interested to know whether you think £2k p w is too high or too Lowe. I would have thought that a player rated high enough to warrant a 5 yr deal (and signing from a top Prem club) would be looking for a minimum of £2k pw I remember seeing our 3 rd choice 'keeper a few seasons back when were in the Championship (unfortunately can't recollect his name) driving a Porche Cayenne and thinking at the time he must be on a reasonable wedge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 He joined over a year after Bale left. you are correct of course, but can't help thinking there were strings attached somewhere... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 yeah he got cancer sadly and moved back to France. Although he recovered and has now been in charge of formation at Lyon for a good while.Our loss is their gain I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 But Schniderlin cost a £1m and was recomended by George Prost i believe, i think it's safe to say whoever recomend the other two should no longer work in football. I suspect they'd be Tony Pulis and Juande Ramos... Also, my backside was anyone "raving" about him when he arrived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartosz Bialkowski Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 BB Interested to know whether you think £2k p w is too high or too Lowe. I would have thought that a player rated high enough to warrant a 5 yr deal (and signing from a top Prem club) would be looking for a minimum of £2k pw I remember seeing our 3 rd choice 'keeper a few seasons back when were in the Championship (unfortunately can't recollect his name) driving a Porche Cayenne and thinking at the time he must be on a reasonable wedge He's on a lot less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 1 February, 2011 Share Posted 1 February, 2011 I dont see the logic in keeping Forecast and Pulis on contract. If we arent able to give them away, and even lower league teams dont want them on long term loans, then why not cancel their contracts and clear out space for up and coming players with potential. Because you can't unilaterally cancel a bnding legal contract of employment without at the absolute minimum running the risk of getting taken to court by the player to receive the money due to them for the rest of the contract term, and the players in question aren't stupid enough to mutually agree to the cancellation knowing they're unlikely to get a deal that betters it in that time frame. As a comparison, Saints and Wotton agreed to have his contract terminated : So Saints got his wages off the payroll, as someone who rarely played for the first team this season and wasn't very likely to again, whilst Yeovil could sign him for free ahead of his contract expiry in the summer, and Wotton agreed to it because he negotiated an extra year's wages (for next season from Yeovil) without having the anxiety of being a free agent in the summer. Basically, Wotton's Saints wages for the remaining 4 months of his contract were in total less than his 16 month Yeovil deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntingdon Posted 2 February, 2011 Share Posted 2 February, 2011 I notice he won the MOM award on his debut for Eastbourne last night He let in 3 goals, but apparantely it could have been 7 or 8 without him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 2 February, 2011 Share Posted 2 February, 2011 Quote Originally Posted by david in sweden View Post Forecast had rave reviews when he came here on a 5 year contarct ! (same time as Bale left), but hardly seen any action. Some people say he's s***e, but very few have seen him outside the training ground.(quote) This is about the fourth or fifth time someone posts about fans not seeing him and making judgements.....Professor being one I have seen him about 8 times and he has been shocking in every one! He gets beaten too often from distance and is shocking on crosses - gets stranded and beaten too easily. So he has been here for years and made how many appearances....we have had more managers than he has played 'proper' games! Now why would that be??? Why has no other league club come in for him in this window....Eastbourne is his level thats why! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 2 February, 2011 Share Posted 2 February, 2011 (edited) Quote Originally Posted by david in sweden View Post Forecast had rave reviews when he came here on a 5 year contarct ! (same time as Bale left), but hardly seen any action. Some people say he's s***e, but very few have seen him outside the training ground.(quote) This is about the fourth or fifth time someone posts about fans not seeing him and making judgements.....Professor being one I have seen him about 8 times and he has been shocking in every one! He gets beaten too often from distance and is shocking on crosses - gets stranded and beaten too easily. So he has been here for years and made how many appearances....we have had more managers than he has played 'proper' games! Now why would that be??? Why has no other league club come in for him in this window....Eastbourne is his level thats why! Hey Give it to Ron, (Yes I saw Ron play, too) Firstly, I was not making a judgement, and certainly not suggesting he was possible first team material (someone else misquoted me there). Nor did I say he was future England material (but some of the media s***e that came out when he was signed made it look so). I couldn't find the original reports when he signed, but I'm sure it was written that way. Any player (goalie or otherwise) needs games to get experience and being one of ..FIVE ? keepers on the books, he's certainly not getting regular outings. I believe you if you say he's not good enough, but IMHO a tall keeper (say 6' 1" - 6' 4" ) sounds quite impressive, but (if I read correctly?).. TF is as tall as Crouchie .6' 7"..? ..and that surely does hamper his speed and movement. As a former goalie himself NA will, (sooner or later) make a judgement about TF future, however it is thankfully him and not us who will take the responsibility. Getting games under his belt is the one way that he / we will find out the truth. 0-3 isn't a good start, but (in common with Grimsby at the same he went there)..Eastbourne are already sitting in the drop zone, and a -25 goal difference at the half season point. That surely says something about the lack of quality in their defence , too. Many players go through bad times when they are regularly on the bench..or even don't make it to the bench, but everyone deserves a chance to prove themselves. Our history is littered with players ..incl. goalies who never made the grade with us yet went on to careers elsewhere. Whatever, his "level" I hope that TF gets a fair judgement of that. Good luck Tommy, with some of our " enthusiastic " fans ... you'll need it . Edited 2 February, 2011 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 2 February, 2011 Share Posted 2 February, 2011 Hey Give it to Ron, (Yes I saw Ron play, too) Firstly, I was not making a judgement, and certainly not suggesting he was possible first team material (someone else misquoted me there). Nor did I say he was future England material (but some of the media s***e that came out when he was signed made it look so). I couldn't find the original reports when he signed, but I'm sure it was written that way. Any player (goalie or otherwise) needs games to get experience and being one of ..FIVE ? keepers on the books, he's certainly not getting regular outings. I believe you if you say he's not good enough, but IMHO a tall keeper (say 6' 1" - 6' 4" ) sounds quite impressive, but (if I read correctly?).. TF is as tall as Crouchie .6' 7"..? ..and that surely does hamper his speed and movement. As a former goalie himself NA will, (sooner or later) make a judgement about TF future, however it is thankfully him and not us who will take the responsibility. Getting games under his belt is the one way that he / we will find out the truth. 0-3 isn't a good start, but (in common with Grimsby at the same he went there)..Eastbourne are already sitting in the drop zone, and a -25 goal difference at the half season point. That surely says something about the lack of quality in their defence , too. Many players go through bad times when they are regularly on the bench..or even don't make it to the bench, but everyone deserves a chance to prove themselves. Our history is littered with players ..incl. goalies who never made the grade with us yet went on to careers elsewhere. Whatever, his "level" I hope that TF gets a fair judgement of that. Good luck Tommy, with some of our " enthusiastic " fans ... you'll need it . He got a fair judgement from me, I can't believe some fans think that some get great pleasure from us signing duds and writing them off I certainly don't. He may be tall Dave but he is poor in the air and seen several goals go in over his head! In fact I was there when Bale made his debut for the u-18s .... I was stood next to Keith Legg at the game and we both said how good he was and would go on to make it. Glad to be proved right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 2 February, 2011 Share Posted 2 February, 2011 Am sure that Lowe's plan was KD to move on Bart to be 1st choice Forecast to be no.2 behind defence consisting of unfit killer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 2 February, 2011 Share Posted 2 February, 2011 Another Lawrie Mac story so take it or leave it: Lowe asked the incumbent goalkeeper coach ( GBs) if they were aware of the keeper at Spurs (Forecast) and recommended they should go and watch him. The coach stated that it was his job to know of all young and highly rated keepers and that he could recommend many others. He didn't go and watch Forecast. Lowe then signed him on a 5 year contract..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 3 February, 2011 Share Posted 3 February, 2011 (edited) He got a fair judgement from me, I can't believe some fans think that some get great pleasure from us signing duds and writing them off I certainly don't. He may be tall Dave but he is poor in the air and seen several goals go in over his head! In fact I was there when Bale made his debut for the u-18s .... I was stood next to Keith Legg at the game and we both said how good he was and would go on to make it. Glad to be proved right! Give it to Ron, I fully accept your comments about TF (lack of ) progress. Obviously, not one of RL's better decisions. Considering we have TF on a ..5 year contract (OUCH!) we must do something more with him than merely let him train with the lads every week. Goalkeepers (with rare exception) are least likely to be replaced and seldom injured as outfielders are. It is the most consistant position and many keepers are with clubs 3-4-5 seasons or more, whereas the "average " player may not hold his place more than 2-3 seasons (because of injury, loss of form , and eventual transfer). Being no.2 goalie (or No. 3 for that matter) must be a boring life if you get - splinters in your butt - every match waiting for the incumbant to twist his ankle, or break a leg. We have a long list of reserve goalies who never made it, but who stayed for years; Tim Flowers did get a spot eventually but only after he'd seen off Peter Shilton and John Burridge. but the likes of Neil Moss,Ian Andrews, Gordon Smith and Alan Blayney..never made the grade with us...and as it seemsat present - neither will Tommy Forecast. I think he should go out on a long loan, and see if he can find "whatever form " he had as a promising youngster at Spurs. I still feel sorry for the guy and he should get a chance to prove himself - even at Eastbourne. Judging by their league position and frightening minus goal difference, if he can save then from relegation , he'll have proven something. As for alternatives..Bart is still young , and obviously touted as "crown prince " when Kelvin puts away his gloves, but I was horrified to see him last weekend (v: Man Utd) when he seemed to lack pace in his own area, almost seeming to move in slow-motion. If Owen's early effort (that hit the post) had gone in - we'd have lost by a cricket score , I'm sure. Edited 3 February, 2011 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 12 February, 2011 Share Posted 12 February, 2011 He's just let in 5 goals in the first half, should we get him back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 12 February, 2011 Share Posted 12 February, 2011 Goalkeeping error apparantly as Forecast missed cross and was headed in. took that off their forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 12 February, 2011 Share Posted 12 February, 2011 He's just let in 5 goals in the first half, should we get him back? The pathway to that 1st England cap will not always be smooth, mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntingdon Posted 12 February, 2011 Share Posted 12 February, 2011 Is this really the same player that Rupert secured, removing future Gareth Bale clauses for? Conceded 10 goals in two matches for a team bottom of the Conference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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