Mr X Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 As the question says and i mean either through automatic or the play offs, and also do you think this would be the correct/fair decision based on the squad he has available? will he get another go at it? thoughts..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 Had this conversation with NorthamSteve and Dickyhale on the way to Charlton in midweek - I don't think he'll be sacked if we don't get promotion. Going on statements by both Cortese and Adkins they have a good working relationship and similar ambitions. Plus, you could also say that Adkins hasn't had that much of a chance to build his own squad here - it's much harder to buy in January than it is in the summer as players are bedded in to teams and clubs are more reluctant to let their higher performers go. I think he'd be given until December 2011 to be in an automatic promotion place, and if not then he'd probably be off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigShadow Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 If we fail to secure promotion he should send the whole bloody team on its way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 Our bid to win the league this year has been thwarted by a poor off season and managerial changes. Should we remain in this league those are the two things we must not risk happening again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 Well it was a 5 year plan to get back to the Prem, when that becomes impossible then I think it might be pink slip time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 28 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 28 March, 2011 Had this conversation with NorthamSteve and Dickyhale on the way to Charlton in midweek - I don't think he'll be sacked if we don't get promotion. Going on statements by both Cortese and Adkins they have a good working relationship and similar ambitions. Plus, you could also say that Adkins hasn't had that much of a chance to build his own squad here - it's much harder to buy in January than it is in the summer as players are bedded in to teams and clubs are more reluctant to let their higher performers go. I think he'd be given until December 2011 to be in an automatic promotion place, and if not then he'd probably be off. Good comments, do you think he should be given next season should we fail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 I think it would depend on the manner of the failure to get promotion. - A complete collapse in the last 10 games from currently having it in our own hands to not getting promoted and he'd go. - A loss in the play off final to Peterborough/Huddersfield and he'd stay for continuity. I don't know why we are talking about this anyway. All very negative! We are in a strong position to get 2nd place, save this talk for the summer if the worst happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 As the question says and i mean either through automatic or the play offs, and also do you think this would be the correct/fair decision based on the squad he has available? will he get another go at it? thoughts..... No, unless lose most of remaining games is very safe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 Depends if Cortese himself sticks around i'd imagine... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 Lard will be disappointed in these replies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoozonside10 Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 If we dont get promoted this season, I forsee a mass exodus of players (well the decent ones anyway) and the new season beginning with a very different teamsheet. For that reason, it would be good to keep NA for continuity purposes as he would have the chance to build the team he sees as getting us out of this division - which is the key point; when we do get to the championship, we will have to build a new team again to get into the premiership, and so on... FWIW I think it is all irrelevant as we are going up (I say we are going up!)... aren't we?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 Good comments, do you think he should be given next season should we fail? Depends on his moves in the summer and our position in the league by christmas. I don't think we'll be in L1 next season though, for some reason i'm quite positive about promotion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 I hope not.. we all championed for stability, he is clearly a good manager, kept pace with the very top team since HE has been here..... I hope he stays regardless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 28 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 28 March, 2011 I hope not.. we all championed for stability, he is clearly a good manager, kept pace with the very top team since HE has been here..... I hope he stays regardless Are you saying we matched brighton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 Are you saying we matched brighton? since he has been here....pretty much so...not as if they have motored away from us.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 28 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 28 March, 2011 since he has been here....pretty much so...not as if they have motored away from us.... you taking the mick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludgershallsaint Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 you taking the mick? Just had a look. After the MK match they were six points in front of us with a game in hand. It is now 15 and we have a game in hand. So since then we have got 61 from 30 games and they have got 70 from 32. Granted he hasn't kept up but pretty close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 If we don't go up this season, we will NEVER go up, so it doesn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 If we don't go up this season, we will NEVER go up, so it doesn't matter. what a load of crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 Cortese would be a fool to sack Adkins if we don't get promotion, it's his d!cking about with managers that lost us so many points at the start of the season. If I were the Leibherrs I would get a new CEO in before manager, Adkins has a proven track record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 Quite frankly I'm not to bothered either way. The one thing I don't want is a repeat of this season if NC wants to get rid of Nigel for failing to get us promoted fine, but he needs to do it as soon as the season is finished and bring someone else in for a full pre-season. If he decided to keep Nigel then he needs to back him to the hilt in the pre-season and let him have a season to see what he can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 Quite frankly I'm not to bothered either way. The one thing I don't want is a repeat of this season if NC wants to get rid of Nigel for failing to get us promoted fine, but he needs to do it as soon as the season is finished and bring someone else in for a full pre-season. If he decided to keep Nigel then he needs to back him to the hilt in the pre-season and let him have a season to see what he can do. very fair....if nige is going to stay should the worst happen..then let him do it..and do it his way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 If we don't go up there will be a mass exodus of players,only to be replaced by lesser talented ones. Adkins may do better with those players and get them to perform above their ability a'la Scunny. He certainly has not got the best out of the ones currently at his disposal. I feel his shortcomings will be fully exposed next season,if we gain promotion. I will be very curious to see if he can attract the players required to kick us on in the Championship. If we don't succeed in promotion he has failed enormously. Stability is the key,however,i feel we will languish for a considerable time in this league, under his stewardship. Let's hope it does not come to this. He has not lived up to the incredibly high billing layed at his door by many on here when he was appointed. I remain underwhelmed. He will deserve a modicum of praise if he gets us up,but tbh,we should expect nothing less,should we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 Don't go up? Adkins will stay Cortese will get fired simples, he'd have had two years to achieve the dream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 More importantly,if we fail to go up will the Liebherr family remain at the helm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 Lard will be disappointed in these replies I just want promotion through the leagues,with or without Adkins. Hopefully the playing style will improve along the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 very fair....if nige is going to stay should the worst happen..then let him do it..and do it his way... Exactly. In less things have gone really, really wrong I don't think sacking managers during a season helps, I'd rather we do it at the end of the season. On telly before the Man u match when they interviewed Nigel and the interviewer said saints had averaged a new manager every 10 months since WGS left. Hardly a surprise we've dropped so far if it's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 If we don't go up there will be a mass exodus of players,only to be replaced by lesser talented ones. Adkins may do better with those players and get them to perform above their ability a'la Scunny. He certainly has not got the best out of the ones currently at his disposal. I feel his shortcomings will be fully exposed next season,if we gain promotion. I will be very curious to see if he can attract the players required to kick us on in the Championship. If we don't succeed in promotion he has failed enormously. Stability is the key,however,i feel we will languish for a considerable time in this league, under his stewardship. Let's hope it does not come to this. He has not lived up to the incredibly high billing layed at his door by many on here when he was appointed. I remain underwhelmed. He will deserve a modicum of praise if he gets us up,but tbh,we should expect nothing less,should we? I knew you'd say that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 If we don't go up there will be a mass exodus of players,only to be replaced by lesser talented ones. Adkins may do better with those players and get them to perform above their ability a'la Scunny. He certainly has not got the best out of the ones currently at his disposal. I feel his shortcomings will be fully exposed next season,if we gain promotion. I will be very curious to see if he can attract the players required to kick us on in the Championship. If we don't succeed in promotion he has failed enormously. Stability is the key,however,i feel we will languish for a considerable time in this league, under his stewardship. Let's hope it does not come to this. He has not lived up to the incredibly high billing layed at his door by many on here when he was appointed. I remain underwhelmed. He will deserve a modicum of praise if he gets us up,but tbh,we should expect nothing less,should we? One vote against then! Seriously good to have virtually united support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 Well it was a 5 year plan to get back to the Prem, when that becomes impossible then I think it might be pink slip time. The "5 year plan" they talked about wasn't just about getting back to the Prem - Cortese has actually gone on record saying that is just one part of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 If we don't go up there will be a mass exodus of players,only to be replaced by lesser talented ones. Adkins may do better with those players and get them to perform above their ability a'la Scunny. He certainly has not got the best out of the ones currently at his disposal. I feel his shortcomings will be fully exposed next season,if we gain promotion. I will be very curious to see if he can attract the players required to kick us on in the Championship. If we don't succeed in promotion he has failed enormously. Stability is the key,however,i feel we will languish for a considerable time in this league, under his stewardship. Let's hope it does not come to this. He has not lived up to the incredibly high billing layed at his door by many on here when he was appointed. I remain underwhelmed. He will deserve a modicum of praise if he gets us up,but tbh,we should expect nothing less,should we? It's funny, you know. If anybody else had posted this it would look like a sarcastic p*ss take out of the stereotypical doom mongers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 It's funny, you know. If anybody else had posted this it would look like a sarcastic p*ss take out of the stereotypical doom mongers. I'm glad i brought laughter into your life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 Think its only now its fair to compare Adkins and Pardew as Pardew had to build a squad. He had done that by the end of January transfer window. Since the end of the January transfer window we have had 11 games. Comparison over the same period - Pardew - 11 games post January transfer window, after signing Barnard and Fonte - W - 6 , D - 3, L - 2 = 21 points Adkins - last 11 games, post transfer window W -7, D -3, L - 1 = 24 points Adkins is doing well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 if 24 points from 11 games is underwhelming and not getting the best out of players - think you will always be disappointed with this club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 Still very hopeful that we will get automatic promotion..... Adkins and Pardew would should have obtained with many more points in the bag by now.. If we should fail I would sack the manager and most of the squad and therefore a new manager from the off with his own team.. No excuses Saints..Promotion it will be...or else.. WIFM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 Adkins could do with the experience of Hoddle to back him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 Think its only now its fair to compare Adkins and Pardew as Pardew had to build a squad. He had done that by the end of January transfer window. Since the end of the January transfer window we have had 11 games. Comparison over the same period - Pardew - 11 games post January transfer window, after signing Barnard and Fonte - W - 6 , D - 3, L - 2 = 21 points Adkins - last 11 games, post transfer window W -7, D -3, L - 1 = 24 points Adkins is doing well. After 37 games we are 2pts ahead of where we were last season (including the -10) though last season we'd just won a cup final. Funnily enough quite a few people on here who were screaming for APs head last season becuase last season was such a faliure. Are now preaching tolerance, peace and stability becuase Nigel is doing such a great job (despite the fact we have a whole 2 more points and 1 less trophy than last season). Fickle........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 I don't think he will be sacked and I don't think he should be sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 After 37 games we are 2pts ahead of where we were last season (including the -10) though last season we'd just won a cup final. Funnily enough quite a few people on here who were screaming for APs head last season becuase last season was such a faliure. Are now preaching tolerance, peace and stability becuase Nigel is doing such a great job (despite the fact we have a whole 2 more points and 1 less trophy than last season). Fickle........... but no one really wanted pardew to go........I think people for once just want a manager to stick around somehow... pardew COULD have got us 6th place if we blew away the cups...but it was not to be....adkins COULD get us 2nd place.......if adkins does get us 2nd..he would have got one better than pardew in league terms (which is what NC openly wants) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 Adkins could do with the experience of Hoddle to back him up. Adkins doesn't need anyone to tell him how to get promoted out of L1 - he did it twice with Sc*nthorpe, he even won the league with them! We're in safe hands, people are worrying too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 Yes, he will get sacked. No, he shouldn't get sacked. But he should get us up. He came into a very strong position, one from which most "decent" managers would get us up. If he fails (which i don't think will be the case) it WOULD be a genuine failure. But this is all hypothetical, since we will in all likelihood get promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 i would not call being 22nd (or what ever it was) in the table and losing a "strong" position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokingFun Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 i would not call being 22nd (or what ever it was) in the table and losing a "strong" position Agree completely, based on points NA has achieved over the games he has had so far our start effectively handicapped us by between 8-10 points which is huge even though it was at the start of the season. If he can steer us to 2nd place then he will have done an absolutely fantastic job in my opinion. I see no reason to worry yet as we look tough to beat home and away and are very capable of scoring plenty of goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 this sort of premature speculation is a waste of space and doesn't serve any useful purpose whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 (edited) After 37 games we are 2pts ahead of where we were last season (including the -10) though last season we'd just won a cup final. Funnily enough quite a few people on here who were screaming for APs head last season becuase last season was such a faliure. Are now preaching tolerance, peace and stability becuase Nigel is doing such a great job (despite the fact we have a whole 2 more points and 1 less trophy than last season). Fickle........... this season after 36 games 65 points GD + 34 (1.8 per game) Pardew/Wilkins/Adkins this season Adkins 30 games (post MK) 61 points (2.03) last season after 36 games 60 points + 28 (1.6 per game) So five points more gained this season. Pardew did well, Adkins has further improved things (could argue that Pardew would have!) Edited 28 March, 2011 by NickG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 When Adkins got in the bus we were already ; 8 points behind Peterborough 8 point behind MK 7 Cherries 7 Huddersfield People rave about how consistant Peterborough have been - Adkins has more than caught up those points. If we miss out, it won't be by much and will be down predominately to the Pardew/Wilkins start. He won't be sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 If we don't go up there will be a mass exodus of players,only to be replaced by lesser talented ones. Adkins may do better with those players and get them to perform above their ability a'la Scunny. He certainly has not got the best out of the ones currently at his disposal. I feel his shortcomings will be fully exposed next season,if we gain promotion. I will be very curious to see if he can attract the players required to kick us on in the Championship. If we don't succeed in promotion he has failed enormously. Stability is the key,however,i feel we will languish for a considerable time in this league, under his stewardship. Let's hope it does not come to this. He has not lived up to the incredibly high billing layed at his door by many on here when he was appointed. I remain underwhelmed. He will deserve a modicum of praise if he gets us up,but tbh,we should expect nothing less,should we? What a crock of crap. How have we seen that he cannot attract players of the right calibre into the team ? For a start he has convinced Chambo, Lallana and possibly Martin to stay when they could/did have better offers elsewhere. How can you say he is not good enough to get us promoted when his record so far has seen to be easily good enough if it wasn't for the disaster that was pardew at the beginning of the season ? (sorry to slag off your hero) How can you say he won't play better in the league above ? When we are playing well enough in this league and if anything the NPC is more of a footballing league (less sh*tty pitches and less teams that won't play) You really do make me laugh, you have such an utter hatred of Adkins ? Whats the matter did a physio run off with your wife ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 Like many on this thread I think he'll still be here even if we do blow it. I'm really interested to see what he will do with the team next year having got his feet under the table, got to know the players and hopefully instilled a style of play. I feel that something is definitely developing and although shaky at times, we could be on the verge of something good. Hopefully the fans will have the patience to let that happen... If we do blow it and this season effectively turns into an extended pre-season for next year, then I think he will be next season's Poyet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 this season after 36 games 65 points GD + 34 (1.8 per game) Pardew/Wilkins/Adkins this season Adkins 30 games (post MK) 61 points (2.03) last season after 36 games 60 points + 28 (1.6 per game) So five points more gained this season. Pardew did well, Adkins has further improved things (could argue that Pardew would have!) And another thing Lard!....this underwhelming performance of Adkins...his points per game is better than all league 2 clubs, all championship clubs and only bettered by Man U (marginallly) and Brighton. He is doing F@ing well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 When Adkins got in the bus we were already ; 8 points behind Peterborough 8 point behind MK 7 Cherries 7 Huddersfield People rave about how consistant Peterborough have been - Adkins has more than caught up those points. If we miss out, it won't be by much and will be down predominately to the Pardew/Wilkins start. He won't be sacked. People only rave about how consistent Peterborough have been since Ferguson returned. They were well out of it at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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