dune Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 The next 3 games is what stands between us and being able to fully lord our Superiority complex once again over the region. Pompey briefly had the bragging rights, but they never had the years of practice we had to truely be the superior force and in any case to have a real superiority complex you need a rival with an inferioty complex and thankfully we never sunk to the bitter jealousy as in ingrained in the Pompey psyche'. In recent years we've had Plymouth, Bournemouth and most recently Brighton bigging up our Superiority by the very fact they have such an inferiority complex to us, but we are now in touching distance of reclaiming our birth right as the team every other club in the south loves to hate. It feels good to be almost back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 It is fun feeling superior as the other south coast clubs look up to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 Agreed. Brighton have made me laugh a lot with comments this season. Nothing beats our 'rivalry' with Bournemouth that we didn't even know about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 26 April, 2011 Author Share Posted 26 April, 2011 This should be our song. Our rebirth reminds me of the Falklands War - The Empire Strikes Back!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 Agreed. Brighton have made me laugh a lot with comments this season. Nothing beats our 'rivalry' with Bournemouth that we didn't even know about. On their North Stand Chat forum the described saturday as "our cup final, which was obvious by the sold out away end" This despite their banners, music, programme changes and obviously gutted Gus Poyet at the end, lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 Unfortunately it is this "superiority complex" which makes so many other clubs hate us. We kicked off when Brighton got arsey with us and laughed at their "superior" attitude. A little humility goes a long way, especially when you are in Division 1 and and fighting th mighty Huddersfield off for second place!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 I think the other clubs are so angry because deep down, we know and they know that we are by far the biggest club on the south coast and that we always will be for the forseeable future. Both Brighton and Bournemouth are desperate for some sort of validation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 It's not a superiority complex; a feeling of superiority maybe, but that's not the same thing. A superiority complex is when someone considers himself or herself to be superior to others (often all others), even though there is no justification for this feeling. If anything, I'd say that it's Pompey who have the superiority complex, as they believe their team to be superior (on the basis of trophies won a lifetime ago) and will maintain this belief even when we're a couple of divisions above them. The behaviour of Brighton and Bournemouth (and of course their supporters) certainly indicates some level of inferiority complex, but that's a different matter altogether! When we become, once again, the top team on the south coast then we'll have every right to feel superior to the other south coast clubs - it won't be a superiority complex at all. That said, I'd agree with SOG's comment above - smug, self-satisfied arrogance is an unattractive trait, wherever you may find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 26 April, 2011 Author Share Posted 26 April, 2011 Unfortunately it is this "superiority complex" which makes so many other clubs hate us. Good. It is this superiority complex that means we demand excellence and that is exactly the ethos that Nigel Adkins has instilled in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 We are the biggest club south of London and are far bigger than any other team on the south coast, and will continue to be like we have been for many decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 We are the biggest club south of London and are far bigger than any other team on the south coast, and will continue to be like we have been for many decades. Exactly. It isn't arrogance, you only have to look at the facts of longest time in the top flight, quality of players, trophies won and success achieved without cheating, fanbase, average attendance etc to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 I hope we demolish Pompey home and away next season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 Mmm. Theoretically we could have Brighton, Bournemouth, Pompey and Reading in the same division as us next season. I would wait until May 2012 before bigging it up, tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 Good. It is this superiority complex that means we demand excellence and that is exactly the ethos that Nigel Adkins has instilled in the squad. There is a difference. Manchester United are roundly hated because they step over that line. You can demand excellence and win trophies without that awful arrogance. And let's face it, when you are a third divison club travelling around the country lording it up because you were a Prem club for so many years you are just going to make yourself look stupid. We must have one of the smallest trophy cabinets in the country and we are a big club. Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 Yes I agree we are a large club and Southampton is a large city compared with rivals like Yeovil Brentford etc and with the money spent we should be getting promoted whoever the manager is. However I disagree with you about cheating we did sort of cheat spending money we did not have and going into Administration so losing 10 points and finding ourselves in League 1 which I must admit I have quite enjoyed for a couple of years. Now that we are out of Administration we are I think in a much better position than we would have been if we had not got ourselves into Administration and whether that is particularly ethical is open to debate as we can now spend more money on players as we have nothing outstanding on the players. Being a large club in League 1 means that we should accept that the smaller ones will want to beat us like we wanted to beat Arsenal Chelsea Man U etc but we should not belittle their stadiums and aspirations I like the idea that fans support Tranmere and not Liverpool and Everton and support Hartlepool and not Newcastle and Sunderland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 26 April, 2011 Author Share Posted 26 April, 2011 What a rubbish cabinet. It looks like something from IKEA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 Yes I agree we are a large club and Southampton is a large city compared with rivals like Yeovil Brentford etc and with the money spent we should be getting promoted whoever the manager is. However I disagree with you about cheating we did sort of cheat spending money we did not have and going into Administration so losing 10 points and finding ourselves in League 1 which I must admit I have quite enjoyed for a couple of years. Now that we are out of Administration we are I think in a much better position than we would have been if we had not got ourselves into Administration and whether that is particularly ethical is open to debate as we can now spend more money on players as we have nothing outstanding on the players.Being a large club in League 1 means that we should accept that the smaller ones will want to beat us like we wanted to beat Arsenal Chelsea Man U etc but we should not belittle their stadiums and aspirations I like the idea that fans support Tranmere and not Liverpool and Everton and support Hartlepool and not Newcastle and Sunderland I look back with quiet amusement at the level of abuse I and a couple of others got for advocating administration as the best thing that could have happened to the basket-case club we had become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 I look back with quiet amusement at the level of abuse I and a couple of others got for advocating administration as the best thing that could have happened to the basket-case club we had become. I totally agree with you and agreed with you at time. However I was concerned that small shareholders staff and local small businesses would suffer I did not care about the banks or large shareholders. By going into administration the club eventually can gain an advantage that is of course why there is the ten point deduction whether that is enough we can only speculate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 Yes I agree we are a large club and Southampton is a large city compared with rivals like Yeovil Brentford etc and with the money spent we should be getting promoted whoever the manager is. However I disagree with you about cheating we did sort of cheat spending money we did not have and going into Administration so losing 10 points and finding ourselves in League 1 which I must admit I have quite enjoyed for a couple of years. Now that we are out of Administration we are I think in a much better position than we would have been if we had not got ourselves into Administration and whether that is particularly ethical is open to debate as we can now spend more money on players as we have nothing outstanding on the players. Being a large club in League 1 means that we should accept that the smaller ones will want to beat us like we wanted to beat Arsenal Chelsea Man U etc but we should not belittle their stadiums and aspirations I like the idea that fans support Tranmere and not Liverpool and Everton and support Hartlepool and not Newcastle and Sunderland I think that we are getting just a little bit pious here aren't we. If we were guilty of cheating then so is virtually every club in the country. It still incomprehensible to me that Barclay's put us into adminsitration with an overdraft of £5m which, even with the support base we had at the time, was sustainable. Then you look and see other clubs build up ODs of several 10s of millions with impunity!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 I look back with quiet amusement at the level of abuse I and a couple of others got for advocating administration as the best thing that could have happened to the basket-case club we had become. And I look back at the 21 years it took Newport County AFC to get back to the level Newport County were at when they were liquidated in 1989, and decided it probably wasn't worth the risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 And I look back at the 21 years it took Newport County AFC to get back to the level Newport County were at when they were liquidated in 1989, and decided it probably wasn't worth the risk. We were never going to get liquidated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 And I look back at the 21 years it took Newport County AFC to get back to the level Newport County were at when they were liquidated in 1989, and decided it probably wasn't worth the risk. There is a fault in your logic. Comparing Southampton Football Club with Newport County is f**king ridiculous. Its like comparing Manyoo with Eastleigh. Someone was always going to come in at the 11th hour when the asking price bottomed out. Yes, we have been lucky that someone as philanthropic as ML and as good a manager as NC came in, but I am 100% certain the club would have continued with a clean slate at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 There is a fault in your logic. Comparing Southampton Football Club with Newport County is f**king ridiculous. Its like comparing Manyoo with Eastleigh. Someone was always going to come in at the 11th hour when the asking price bottomed out. Yes, we have been lucky that someone as philanthropic as ML and as good a manager as NC came in, but I am 100% certain the club would have continued with a clean slate at least. The fact was that before Admin many people tried to find new owners. The club's shares valued the business at around 20/30mil and it had a debt of around 25/30 mil (approximate gang as I cannot be arsed to google the exact numbers) So at that time (during the BOOM years) the club would cost around 50mil to acquire and then needed investment. Nobody could see a "business value" in that even with our infrastructure. And yet THAT is what the Skates are trying to get (in the RECESSION years) Once the shareholder value was destroyed (the many fans as well as the "unmentionables") and a deal could be done on the main debt (stadium mortgage) then the deal to buy the club became a commercial no brainer. So yes we did get a "competitve benefit" from Admin as that cost of buying the club with it's debt was all but gone leaving more funds potentially available to invest in the team and infrastructure. (OR it meant we were more "affordable") We were lucky somehow NC found about about the "deal" and talked Marcus into it. But we don't have a Superiority Complex, we ARE superior and we will prove that when we win the CL final in 8 years time Won't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 As things stand at the moment we dodged a bullet with one lot of potentail owners and came up trumps with Markus. Hopefully the family will stay put and we will be ok. We could still end up being sold on to people not so ambitious. Administration is a lotterty that we happened to do well in. As for being superior Phil....hmmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 As things stand at the moment we dodged a bullet with one lot of potentail owners and came up trumps with Markus. Hopefully the family will stay put and we will be ok. We could still end up being sold on to people not so ambitious. Administration is a lotterty that we happened to do well in. As for being superior Phil....hmmmm. You'd be happy then. You still hanker for the days when the club was run by someone like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 It's great to be superior, even better to be hated by tin-pot clubs like Brighton and Bournemouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 You'd be happy then. You still hanker for the days when the club was run by someone like that. Oh dear, he we go again...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 It's great to be superior, even better to be hated by tin-pot clubs like Brighton and Bournemouth. I have been a Saints fan since 1966. In that time we have been promoted twice, both as runners up. The best we can do this time is runners up too. We have never won a league in that time and the only heavy duty trophy win was the FA Cup, once. Despite spending a lot of cash we are not the best club in the third tier of English football this season. Can we just stop with the superior nonsense please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 You'd be happy then. You still hanker for the days when the club was run by someone like that. Just for the record Alps, I hanker for the days when we were playing in the top flight year after year and playing in the F A Cup final. The people you refer to so disparagingly made that happen. I hope the new people can do just as well as there are probably people on here who have only known one or two years of top flight football. It can't have been easy keeping things going on gates of 15k. It must be easier to be ambitious now with no debts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 Despite spending a lot of cash we are not the best club in the third tier of English football this season. Can we just stop with the superior nonsense please? I bet we would be apart from the ridiculous Wilkins era though. I think if you compare results under NA only (excluding the MK Dons loss cos he'd only been here 1 day) we are just a fraction of a point behind Brighton if you extrapolate our results to their number of games played. If they win their last 2 they'll be fractionally ahead come what may but if they don't an extrapolation of the "Adkins era" over 46 games would probably be in our favour. Pointless and hypothetical I know because those 3 Wilkins defeats exist but since then we are as good as them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 26 April, 2011 Author Share Posted 26 April, 2011 You'd be happy then. You still hanker for the days when the club was run by someone like that. You've made your point and now you're boring us. Please get back on topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 I would be happy to get promoted first................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 No matter what league we're in and no matter how poor our team is, our attendances, fanbase and time spent above all the other teams South of London is huge in comparison. I love to be hated by these tinpot clubs (apart from Pompey, I like them hating us) because it shows they're all jealous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 I would be happy to get promoted first................... Totally agree, to much shouting to early is not good news or street wise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armitage Shanks Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 The next 3 games is what stands between us and being able to fully lord our Superiority complex once again over the region. Pompey briefly had the bragging rights, but they never had the years of practice we had to truely be the superior force and in any case to have a real superiority complex you need a rival with an inferioty complex and thankfully we never sunk to the bitter jealousy as in ingrained in the Pompey psyche'. In recent years we've had Plymouth, Bournemouth and most recently Brighton bigging up our Superiority by the very fact they have such an inferiority complex to us, but we are now in touching distance of reclaiming our birth right as the team every other club in the south loves to hate. It feels good to be almost back. "Almost" being the key word there. We're not there yet. Wind it in for now otherwise you may come to regret this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 There is a difference. Manchester United are roundly hated because they step over that line. You can demand excellence and win trophies without that awful arrogance. And let's face it, when you are a third divison club travelling around the country lording it up because you were a Prem club for so many years you are just going to make yourself look stupid. We must have one of the smallest trophy cabinets in the country and we are a big club. Really? It's nothing to do with where we were, it's where we are now as a club that is misinterpted as "arrogance." Best stadium in this League? Tick Best Academy in this league? Tick Best supported club in this League? Tick Wealthiest club is this League? Tick On all fronts we are a big club in this league and it's only ignorance, jealousy or stupidity that dictates otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeckoSaint Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 "Almost" being the key word there. We're not there yet. Agreed. Also I wish the phrase 'big club' was erased from football vocabulary, cos no team has ever won a trophy due to their attendances or season tickets sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 A few games to go yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 Agreed. Also I wish the phrase 'big club' was erased from football vocabulary, cos no team has ever won a trophy due to their attendances or season tickets sales. Surely in a round about way they have, big crowds mean more revenue which means you can afford better players, better players mean winning more games, winning lots of games equal trophies. I'm willing to bet Manure wouldn't have won much in the last twenty years if they had the same average gates as Oldham gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 Also I wish the phrase 'big club' was erased from football vocabulary, cos no team has ever won a trophy due to their attendances or season tickets sales. Same here. To be honest though, I don't see what is to be gained at all by ever 'lording' it as dune alludes to, no matter who or what you are, where you are or how good you are. What does it ever achieve? Far better IMO to be happy in yourself and your own achievements and gain respect from others for *not* lording it. But I guess that will put me in the minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 It's nothing to do with where we were, it's where we are now as a club that is misinterpted as "arrogance." Best stadium in this League? Tick Best Academy in this league? Tick Best supported club in this League? Tick Wealthiest club is this League? Tick On all fronts we are a big club in this league and it's only ignorance, jealousy or stupidity that dictates otherwise. But currently only just the second best team in the League & all else counts for zilch. When we are sitting above all the others, then start to crow. There's a word for what some of you are experiencing - hubris. (Look it up.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintdaz Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 the saints are comming the scummers are running na na na na na na na to the tune of the green day song Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 26 April, 2011 Author Share Posted 26 April, 2011 the saints are comming the scummers are running na na na na na na na to the tune of the green day song What were the Northam singing yesterday along these lines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 We still have to win 2 more games...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny R Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 It's great to be superior, even better to be hated by tin-pot clubs like Brighton and Bournemouth. ...and Brentford. The hatred on their website is insane. I liked this league at first but the chip on the shoulders of these sh***y little clubs is starting to p*** me off. I really hope we do the business on Saturday and ram it down their f***** throats. Cockney t**** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 Just for the record Alps, I hanker for the days when we were playing in the top flight year after year and playing in the F A Cup final. The people you refer to so disparagingly made that happen. I hope the new people can do just as well as there are probably people on here who have only known one or two years of top flight football. It can't have been easy keeping things going on gates of 15k. It must be easier to be ambitious now with no debts. Well that's b*llocks for a start. We were happily thriving in the D1/PL long before the red-faced duck-f**ker from the Cotswolds turned up. And let's not forget he single-handedly caused our relegation to this division by being a smart-arse and replacing Pearson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 I really wouldn't want to share a shower with some of the posters on this thread...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 But currently only just the second best team in the League & all else counts for zilch. When we are sitting above all the others, then start to crow. There's a word for what some of you are experiencing - hubris. (Look it up.) Oh behave. It's not hubris to say that Saints are far too big a club for this division. We just are. Even if we don't go up this season, perish the blimmin thought, we will still be far too big a club for this division. Just like Sheffield Wednesday are. Just like Sheffield United will be next season. Just like Man City, Nottingham Forest, Leeds and Leicester City were. Just like Bradford City are too big for the fourth tier. Just like Oxford and Luton and Grimsby are too big for non league. The "look at the table" line is really quite annoying. Like we don't know what division we are in and where we are in the table. Thanks for being so patronising. This is about something much wider than the current league table. Southampton are far bigger than the poxy third tier, promoted this season or not. Sheffield United will be far bigger than the third tier next season. That's not hubris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 There is a fault in your logic. Comparing Southampton Football Club with Newport County is f**king ridiculous. Its like comparing Manyoo with Eastleigh. Someone was always going to come in at the 11th hour when the asking price bottomed out. Yes, we have been lucky that someone as philanthropic as ML and as good a manager as NC came in, but I am 100% certain the club would have continued with a clean slate at least. Showing your ignorance of third tier football here - Newport County were in this very division (albeit under it's original name) for 8 of the 9 seasons prior to their liquidation, and even had their ground as an asset until they had to sell it back to the council when they were beginning to fail. I will allow that there is some disparity in the attendance figures between the sides, but it's not as if the Saints crowds of the previous seasons had kept the club out of admin, is it ? People overestimate the business benefits of football clubs, which are almost without fail loss-making tax-write offs at best, and are also tiny companies compared to "proper businesses". Mid-recession there was always some doubt whether a buyer would come forward in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 26 April, 2011 Share Posted 26 April, 2011 (edited) Oh behave. It's not hubris to say that Saints are far too big a club for this division. We just are. Even if we don't go up this season, perish the blimmin thought, we will still be far too big a club for this division. Just like Sheffield Wednesday are. Just like Sheffield United will be next season. Just like Man City, Nottingham Forest, Leeds and Leicester City were. Just like Bradford City are too big for the fourth tier. Just like Oxford and Luton and Grimsby are too big for non league. The "look at the table" line is really quite annoying. Like we don't know what division we are in and where we are in the table. Thanks for being so patronising. This is about something much wider than the current league table. Southampton are far bigger than the poxy third tier, promoted this season or not. Sheffield United will be far bigger than the third tier next season. That's not hubris. I find the cumulative Premier League Points stat is quite a good one as a pointer of where we are in "recent history". We're 14th in all-time Premier League history, i.e. the last 20 years. Bolton and Fulham are gaining fast though... http://www.myfootballfacts.com/All-TimePremierLeagueTable1992-93to2010-11.html Though we are only 27th in the top tier of all time including the Football League (which was around for 30 years before we joined it). http://www.myfootballfacts.com/SEASONS-IN-TOP-FLIGHT----1888-89-to-2009-10.html Oh yeah, and 27th in the whole Prem/FL for attendances last season despite being in L1. Which isn't all that great really... http://www.mikeavery.co.uk/Attendance%20All%20Teams%20High%20to%20Low.htm Edited 26 April, 2011 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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