krissyboy31 Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 Reading the whole interview, where he says he want to have his squad in place for 1st July hardly sounds like a man who doesn't expect to be here next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 (edited) so someone somewhere just wants to cash in on everything as soon as is respectably possible would you say ? Certainly not carry on the investment as foreseen. Why move the headquarters from Fribourg canton to Zurich canton, what's that about then ? The description of what now appears to be the core business is ; Purpose The company intends to acquire, manage and sell shares in companies of all kinds, especially industry, trade and finance companies in Switzerland and abroad as well as management, administration and consulting group of companies. The company may acquire and hold land, and sell. The Company may engage in any commercial, financial and other activities which are related to the purpose of the corporation. So no it doesn't mean they want to cash in on everything straight away, they will cash in on their assets when they are at their optimum value. You could argue very strongly that without huge further investment, Saints are currently at their optimum value Edited 16 May, 2013 by Gemmel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 End of the day, the players and management are there because of Cortese: thats a fact. the huge wages we are paying them might have a little something to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 I know some on the other site are Anti Cortese, but this is funny (just found it) http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/southampton/fb_mb.php?m=v&t=81078#9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 I know some on the other site are Anti Cortese, but this is funny (just found it) http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/southampton/fb_mb.php?m=v&t=81078#9 That post demonstrates exactly why we need a fan back on the board. They know so much more than anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 That post demonstrates exactly why we need a fan back on the board. They know so much more than anyone else. if you found the right fan, with the right experience, credentials and ideas you never know they might turn out to be as good as Hew Jenkins has been for Swansea. It's finding the right one that is the problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 if cortese stays it'll be like a new signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Kucho Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 Do we have someone who is itk or who has heard what is going on? I have lost track about what is happening at the club, just when it seemed all was running smoothly. What I find strange is that its being fought out in the media and that the players and manager are getting involved, whilst previously all was kept in house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 I cant help thinking that some of the big four or so clubs are using the journos to unsettle our club and players, Re NC considering his position. I bet the cheating scum are having a laugh at our expense. Remember always look on the bright side of life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 if cortese stays it'll be like a new signing. will we be as excited as when Lee `Robben' Holmes signed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 if cortese stays it'll be like a new signing. Most important signing of the summer IMO and one which will gaurentee a 6th placed finished alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 will we be as excited as when Lee `Robben' Holmes signed? i weren't around when keegan joined saints, but it's the only signing i can imagine comparable for sheer excitement amongst fanbase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 (edited) Perhaps if the Leibherr's had been more involved this wouldn't have happened. NC has sold the vision of the club as his vision now, originally ML's vision along with NC. Since ML's passing, the owners have been some kind of faceless entity. So it's understandable for employees to consider their future if the owners and/or chairman were to change if it meant that the vision and future of the club would change. If you'd taken something so far on your own with owners happy for you to do so, you too would have to think about your position if those owners now wanted to step in and get more involved, despite their right to do so. Edited 16 May, 2013 by Webby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARCELONASAINT Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 26 pages and from what i have read not one single fact that says Cortese is about to walk.....its easy to get emmotionally carried away and hooked by tabloid headlines stating doom and gloom about the football club we all love. Am i worried?....yes...if there really is any truth in the RUMOURS....and lets face it thats all they are. I should immagine that a man like NC considers his future at least every 6 months if not more times a year.....how many offers do you think he has had from other parties since being in charge of Saints that we will never know about. Its the end of the season, we have achieved our goal and survived our first season back....NC will now and for some time no doubt be considering his future and every option open to him. I have no doubt he has a vision to make us one of the top 6 sides in the Premiership.....the man is driven, he has excellent contacts and people that no doubt would be interested in buying the club if it was for sale.....but i immagine the club would omly be sold under one condition....to carry on what ML started. Yes i hope both Chairman and Manager are here for the new season and my gut feeling is they will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 You are of course right barcelona Saints. why all the knee jerk reactions? Surely this can be written off speculation and lazy journalism as there is no evidence and no FACTs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 26 pages and from what i have read not one single fact that says Cortese is about to walk.....its easy to get emmotionally carried away and hooked by tabloid headlines stating doom and gloom about the football club we all love. Which tabloid headings are these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 Which tabloid headings are these? daily echo? sport headlines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 daily echo? sport headlines? Which ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 Which ones? I was throwing it our there, I dont read the echo, just asking if it was a possibility? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 Most important signing of the summer IMO and one which will gaurentee a 6th placed finished alone. thats what we said when Lallana signed his contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToreSF Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 Feel the press has been quite on target on this one. They have only stated that Cortese might leave, and that seems to be a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 so, lets take stock, what do we know A journalist claims that Cortese MAY leave should some sort of issue behind the scenes not get sorted quickly Pochettino said he would leave if Cortese Leaves Morgan said it would change everything if the above left Cortese is apparently staying, according to someone tweeting from the dinner MP expects cortese to stay and have signings tied up for July 1st everything carries on as normal meanwhile, on he web The family want to sell Cortese is planning some sort of coup for the club on the other site (ugly inside?) no more investment is ever required as we have a big TV deal NC leaving would be no hassle at all as he is just an employee like a cleaner should be an interesting few weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 thats what we said when Lallana signed his contract? We were wrong then but definitely right on this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 If this is a way of trying to get himself a better deal, or to waken up the owners to his ambition and back the project (a sentiment we all share), it is a very public and very poor example of management, especially for a high profile organisation. NC of all people knows to keep dealings behind closed doors - he's been a master at excluding the Press from transfers et al. Now MP has backed his chairman and said he'd be off if Cortese left!? WTF?! If I were the owners I would start this morning by examining who was available and how soon they could come in to replace them. Then I'd calm down having got angry, get over it, and work out what NC wants. I'd weigh it up and then make a decision. If the potential replacement chairman and manager were better; I'd sack Cortese and Pontichello. I'd do it as quickly as possible though. Being held to ransom by NC and now MP isn't how it works I'm afraid. NC and MP are desirable.... not expendable. And there are plenty of others who can do the job and may even be more desirable for a variety of reasons! EITHER PUT THIS TO BED NOW - QUICKLY - AND GIVE NC WHAT HE NEEDS, OR SACK HIM AND MP NOW SO THAT THE NEW TEAM CAN BUILD A SIDE TO SURVIVE NEXT SEASON. BUT DO IT FAST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 You are of course right barcelona Saints. why all the knee jerk reactions? Surely this can be written off speculation and lazy journalism as there is no evidence and no FACTs. Even if it WAS true, I am happy enough to bet anyone a Case of Old Speckled Hen that NC has at LEAST one person on his Speed Dial who would buy the club in an instant. Just I think we'd all (well 96% or so) prefer to continue "The Journey" & The Memory of Markus together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMPR Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 If this is a way of trying to get himself a better deal, or to waken up the owners to his ambition and back the project (a sentiment we all share), it is a very public and very poor example of management, especially for a high profile organisation. NC of all people knows to keep dealings behind closed doors - he's been a master at excluding the Press from transfers et al. Now MP has backed his chairman and said he'd be off if Cortese left!? WTF?! If I were the owners I would start this morning by examining who was available and how soon they could come in to replace them. Then I'd calm down having got angry, get over it, and work out what NC wants. I'd weigh it up and then make a decision. If the potential replacement chairman and manager were better; I'd sack Cortese and Pontichello. I'd do it as quickly as possible though. Being held to ransom by NC and now MP isn't how it works I'm afraid. NC and MP are desirable.... not expendable. And there are plenty of others who can do the job and may even be more desirable for a variety of reasons! EITHER PUT THIS TO BED NOW - QUICKLY - AND GIVE NC WHAT HE NEEDS, OR SACK HIM AND MP NOW SO THAT THE NEW TEAM CAN BUILD A SIDE TO SURVIVE NEXT SEASON. BUT DO IT FAST. Your working on the basis that the Liebhrrs actually understand or care about football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 If this is a way of trying to get himself a better deal, or to waken up the owners to his ambition and back the project (a sentiment we all share), it is a very public and very poor example of management, especially for a high profile organisation. NC of all people knows to keep dealings behind closed doors - he's been a master at excluding the Press from transfers et al. Now MP has backed his chairman and said he'd be off if Cortese left!? WTF?! If I were the owners I would start this morning by examining who was available and how soon they could come in to replace them. Then I'd calm down having got angry, get over it, and work out what NC wants. I'd weigh it up and then make a decision. If the potential replacement chairman and manager were better; I'd sack Cortese and Pontichello. I'd do it as quickly as possible though. Being held to ransom by NC and now MP isn't how it works I'm afraid. NC and MP are desirable.... not expendable. And there are plenty of others who can do the job and may even be more desirable for a variety of reasons! EITHER PUT THIS TO BED NOW - QUICKLY - AND GIVE NC WHAT HE NEEDS, OR SACK HIM AND MP NOW SO THAT THE NEW TEAM CAN BUILD A SIDE TO SURVIVE NEXT SEASON. BUT DO IT FAST. Agreed. And I dont buy the "not understanding football" argument, they will have someone advising them. In addition its obvious to us what will happen to the clubs value if we struggle next season, so it will be obvious to them. And I am sure they care about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cestrian Saint Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 I'm not a Cortese fan. I think the man has his own agenda and is using us to massage his own ego. However, I don't want him to leave as it'll only bring more instability at a time when we really need things to be as stable as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monosaint Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 We all know from the past that NC does not like to be driven by the press. There have been many times when speculation has been ignored by him because it's untrue. At this time he has nothing to say and I am sure, when whatever it is has been settled, he will go public. In my humble view, at this point he has nothing to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToreSF Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 Agreed. And I dont buy the "not understanding football" argument, they will have someone advising them. In addition its obvious to us what will happen to the clubs value if we struggle next season, so it will be obvious to them. And I am sure they care about that. If it's so easy, what went wrong for QPR and Blackburn among others this season? IMO it would be a huge gamble to get rid of Cortese who has set us up very well the last 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 If it's so easy, what went wrong for QPR and Blackburn among others this season? IMO it would be a huge gamble to get rid of Cortese who has set us up very well the last 4 years. I agree completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 If it's so easy, what went wrong for QPR and Blackburn among others this season? IMO it would be a huge gamble to get rid of Cortese who has set us up very well the last 4 years. More than being a huge gamble, it would be stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 More than being a huge gamble, it would be stupid. not if you don't care about football it wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 Even if it WAS true, I am happy enough to bet anyone a Case of Old Speckled Hen that NC has at LEAST one person on his Speed Dial who would buy the club in an instant. Just I think we'd all (well 96% or so) prefer to continue "The Journey" & The Memory of Markus together If that was the case why did we take a loan out from a BVI company - Same company as Everton use, who rates were exposed as horribly expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stmusicdude Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 If this is a way of trying to get himself a better deal, or to waken up the owners to his ambition and back the project (a sentiment we all share), it is a very public and very poor example of management, especially for a high profile organisation. NC of all people knows to keep dealings behind closed doors - he's been a master at excluding the Press from transfers et al. Now MP has backed his chairman and said he'd be off if Cortese left!? WTF?! If I were the owners I would start this morning by examining who was available and how soon they could come in to replace them. Then I'd calm down having got angry, get over it, and work out what NC wants. I'd weigh it up and then make a decision. If the potential replacement chairman and manager were better; I'd sack Cortese and Pontichello. I'd do it as quickly as possible though. Being held to ransom by NC and now MP isn't how it works I'm afraid. NC and MP are desirable.... not expendable. And there are plenty of others who can do the job and may even be more desirable for a variety of reasons! EITHER PUT THIS TO BED NOW - QUICKLY - AND GIVE NC WHAT HE NEEDS, OR SACK HIM AND MP NOW SO THAT THE NEW TEAM CAN BUILD A SIDE TO SURVIVE NEXT SEASON. BUT DO IT FAST. And you have based this on what? - many not just you have assumed all sorts & then spouted absolute cra* as if its in response to something factual.. it’s based on guessing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 I'm shocked at how much bull-s**t is being spouted in this thread, it really is ludicrous. People making up facts left right and centre, already conceding that Cortese (and now MoPo) are definitely going, that the Liebherr's don't give two s**ts about the club anymore, jeez people get a grip. Anyone would thing you're all going to meet up at Southampton common before Sunday's match and commit mass-suicide at this rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 If that was the case why did we take a loan out from a BVI company - Same company as Everton use, who rates were exposed as horribly expensive. well no-one is just going to gift us 3.2 million on the understanding that they may buy us at some time in the vague future. Not everyone is Leon Crouch. I'm more concerned as to why we needed it in the first place oh yes I remember tax reasons...yeah right. Only 1 reason to borrow money...you don't have enough for whatever it is that you need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 Your working on the basis that the Liebhrrs actually understand or care about football? Spoken like a fan who has had his fingers burned previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 Look i want him to stay, like i wanted Lawrie Mac and George Reader to stay But Southampton Football Club is bigger than one man or swiss family. What will be will be and if it ends up that my next trip to wembley is in the JPT again so be it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMPR Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 Spoken like a fan who has had his fingers burned previously. Weve had our arms amputated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZepSaint Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 It's all speculation but my gut feeling is NC and Poch wont be around much longer. For what it's worth, I expect both NC and MP to stay. This is why being a fan is cr4p at times .................we really don't know what is going on do we ?!?!?! We don't have a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 I'm shocked at how much bull-s**t is being spouted in this thread, it really is ludicrous. People making up facts left right and centre, already conceding that Cortese (and now MoPo) are definitely going, that the Liebherr's don't give two s**ts about the club anymore, jeez people get a grip. Anyone would thing you're all going to meet up at Southampton common before Sunday's match and commit mass-suicide at this rate. Bloody hell, has that been called off now??? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 well no-one is just going to gift us 3.2 million on the understanding that they may buy us at some time in the vague future. Not everyone is Leon Crouch. I'm more concerned as to why we needed it in the first place oh yes I remember tax reasons...yeah right. Only 1 reason to borrow money...you don't have enough for whatever it is that you need. Not for the first time on this thread you have completely missed the point. It was a loan at very expensive rates. If he had money men on speed dial, he would have got a loan at much more favorable rates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 And you have based this on what? - many not just you have assumed all sorts & then spouted absolute cra* as if its in response to something factual.. it’s based on guessing This is based on judgment and experience old chap. No one knows the full facts, all we are exposed to is a Chairman who's threatening to leave and a manager who's also just said he's off if Cortese leaves too. That's the facts. The rest is what I would do.... and I suspect what the trust is considering right now as a possible option. What's your take? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 (edited) Not for the first time on this thread you have completely missed the point. It was a loan at very expensive rates. If he had money men on speed dial, he would have got a loan at much more favorable rates. I don't know the rates or those of the money men on speed dial, do you ? but I didn't miss the point... Anyway Vibrac seem very popular with PL clubs ,up to 6 apparently mortgaging next years PL income with them. Apparently (well if you believe the press) their rates are actually lower than some of the old loans that theirs are replacing. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2294521/Nick-Harris-West-Ham-mortgage-60m-TV-money-bid-manage-debts.html Edited 16 May, 2013 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 Your working on the basis that the Liebhrrs actually understand or care about football? Spoken like a fan who has had his fingers burned previously. Weve had our arms amputated "Tis but a flesh wound" is the motto of the Pompey trust isn't it? In any case, Markus Liebherr died in 2010. Since then we've had 2 promotions, spent close to £40m in the Premier League, secured Premier League status for 2013/14, over £15m on improving the training ground and a category 1 academy. If they "didn't care", why did all that happen in the 3 years after Markus' death? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToreSF Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 "Tis but a flesh wound" is the motto of the Pompey trust isn't it? In any case, Markus Liebherr died in 2010. Since then we've had 2 promotions, spent close to £40m in the Premier League, secured Premier League status for 2013/14, over £15m on improving the training ground and a category 1 academy. If they "didn't care", why did all that happen in the 3 years after Markus' death? It would be very interesting to know the statutes of the Liebherr trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stmusicdude Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 This is based on judgment and experience old chap. No one knows the full facts, all we are exposed to is a Chairman who's threatening to leave and a manager who's also just said he's off if Cortese leaves too. That's the facts. The rest is what I would do.... and I suspect what the trust is considering right now as a possible option. What's your take? My take is he hasn't actually threatened to go. ( it's been implied he is reviewing .. who are we to know the in's & outs of just what that means ? MP I think if he wasnt 100% sure NC was staying he wouldn't of even mentioned it . Posturing is all very well . but few managers ever do actually resign & throw money away these days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 It would be very interesting to know the statutes of the Liebherr trust. and know what we're talking about...get outta here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 16 May, 2013 Share Posted 16 May, 2013 It would be very interesting to know the statutes of the Liebherr trust. Indeed it would, because that could explain what seems to be a (hopefully temporary) impasse between Cortese and the family/trustees. However, I'm still awaiting an answer to the question "Is the Club owned by a standalone trust, created solely for that purpose, or is it part of a broader trust encompassing all or most of Markus's assets?" and know what we're talking about...get outta here No kidding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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