Malaysia Airlines plane missing

[swannymere]

The plane flew for 8 hours which is just about its full endurance.

 

Which model 777 is it as i've flown on one from Amsterdam to Sao Paulo which is around 12 hours

[Whitey Grandad]

It's probably putting 2 + 2 together and getting 5, and you're right, it is nuts. May I gently remind sir that we live in a f**king crazy world? Just a few months ago, the US was petitioning to get involved in Syria to assist our "al Qaeda allies". That's nuts. The crisis in Ukraine is nuts. The US and UK are implicitly backing far right parties in the Ukraine, which should be utterly f**king hat-stand to supposedly moderate democracies, yet we're doing it anyway.

 

My point is that insanity doesn't seem to be any bar to implementation.

 

I have no idea of the Chinese's monitoring capabilities over Diego Garcia, or how frequent they are. Logic would suggest that you are correct, but the reality is that neither of us know jack sh!t apart from what we're assuming. Given the unfolding crisis at the time, those resources may have been directed elsewhere.

 

I completely agree that the Chinese would react very badly if they found out another nation state was complicit in the disappearance of MH370, but at the same time, this is a plane that disappeared off the radar and has eluded the world ever since. Some kind of resolution is required for a reaction, or in other words, it only matters if the prospective perpetrator is caught.

 

Just speculating here.

 

If the Chinese have shown satellite pictures of the current search area then they can almost certainly see Diego Garcia. These surveillance satellites are usually in a low polar orbit which means that they scan the earth in regular north-south strips.

[buctootim]

So your reasoning is: "I don't know how they did it; or why they did it; or how they kept it secret; or why Britain colluded but I'm prepared to give it more credence than pilot error / hijack / accident". Remember how convinced you were that you were right about Barry Sanchez? This is the same.

[Whitey Grandad]

Which model 777 is it as i've flown on one from Amsterdam to Sao Paulo which is around 12 hours

 

With the fuel load on board? I think the 8 hours is based on this.

[pap]

So your reasoning is: "I don't know how they did it; or why they did it; or how they kept it secret; or why Britain colluded but I'm prepared to give it more credence than pilot error / hijack / accident". Remember how convinced you were that you were right about Barry Sanchez? This is the same.

 

That's not really an accurate assessment of my position. However, since you mentioned it, we very publicly colluded with the US over Iraq and got our pants pulled down by the media. If both nations have demonstrably colluded in the past, it's unreasonable to rule it out again.

 

I'm not convinced of anything here. I think the suggestion that the pilot was attempting to exert political pressure is a good one too.

[Window Cleaner]

Which model 777 is it as i've flown on one from Amsterdam to Sao Paulo which is around 12 hours

 

777-200. To reach the assumed area in which the plane finally fell into the ocean the aircraft would need to stay high, the lower you fly the more fuel it consumes, basic turbofan science tells you that. Plus there's the mysterious "final ping" at 08.19 which may have indicated that the plane either hit the water at exactly that time or for some reason the ACARs system was

either intentionally powered up or engines stopping forced it into SATCOMM mode again.

[Fowllyd]

Pap, you could do with a read of this, taken from David Hume's thoughts on miracles:

 

"A miracle is a violation of the laws of nature; and as a firm and unalterable experience has established these laws, the proof against a miracle, from the very nature of the fact, is as entire as any argument from experience can possibly be imagined. Why is it more than probable, that all men must die; that lead cannot, of itself, remain suspended in the air; that fire consumes wood, and is extinguished by water; unless it be, that these events are found agreeable to the laws of nature, and there is required a violation of these laws, or in other words, a miracle to prevent them? Nothing is esteemed a miracle, if it ever happen in the common course of nature. It is no miracle that a man, seemingly in good health, should die on a sudden: because such a kind of death, though more unusual than any other, has yet been frequently observed to happen. But it is a miracle, that a dead man should come to life; because that has never been observed in any age or country. There must, therefore, be a uniform experience against every miraculous event, otherwise the event would not merit that appellation....

The plain consequence is (and it is a general maxim worthy of our attention), 'That no testimony is sufficient to establish a miracle, unless the testimony be of such a kind, that its falsehood would be more miraculous, than the fact, which it endeavours to establish....' When anyone tells me, that he saw a dead man restored to life, I immediately consider with myself, whether it be more probable, that this person should either deceive or be deceived, or that the fact, which he relates, should really have happened. I weigh the one miracle against the other; and according to the superiority, which I discover, I pronounce my decision, and always reject the greater miracle. If the falsehood of his testimony would be more miraculous, than the event which he relates; then, and not till then, can he pretend to command my belief or opinion.

 

In the foregoing reasoning we have supposed, that the testimony, upon which a miracle is founded, may possibly amount to an entire proof, and that the falsehood of that testimony would be a real prodigy: But it is easy to shew, that we have been a great deal too liberal in our concession, and that there never was a miraculous event established on so full an evidence."

 

Now, do you think that it would be more miraculous that the plane was spirited away, with no evidence left other than rather uncertain eye-witness accounts, and for reasons which remain unknown and unfathomable, or that it was something considerably more mundane, such as malfunction or accident? It seems to me that you're always looking for, and are more likely to believe, a sequence of events which most would actually find harder to believe.

[pap]

Now, do you think that it would be more miraculous that the plane was spirited away, with no evidence left other than rather uncertain eye-witness accounts, and for reasons which remain unknown and unfathomable, or that it was something considerably more mundane, such as malfunction or accident? It seems to me that you're always looking for, and are more likely to believe, a sequence of events which most would actually find harder to believe.

 

I'm interested in a discussion of possible outcomes; landed is one such outcome. It seems fanciful but we've had others on the thread suggest that the plane was shot down, which requires some degree of complicity from a nation state.

 

If "landed" is an option, I think it's reasonable to ask where. The pilots can speak better to this, but I heard on a podcast that there were something like 500 feasible landing locations for a 777 within range.

[Window Cleaner]

I'm interested in a discussion of possible outcomes; landed is one such outcome. It seems fanciful but we've had others on the thread suggest that the plane was shot down, which requires some degree of complicity from a nation state.

 

If "landed" is an option, I think it's reasonable to ask where. The pilots can speak better to this, but I heard on a podcast that there were something like 500 feasible landing locations for a 777 within range.

 

 

But the plane did not land, I presume you haven't seen the Inmarsat/AAIB projected paths, analysis of Doppler effects shows it must have gone south, then basic trigonometry shows it's rough path, nowhere to land but in the drink. The only possible landing point on that path would be the Kerguelen Islands but they're too far south and my colleagues tell me they've not seen a 777 there of late.There is no possible reason to continue to mantain that the aircraft landed somewhere unless of course you chuze to discount all the information which is to date available.

[trousers]

Could 'someone' have sent up an unmanned drone along side the 777 which, when the 777's transponder was turned off continued to 'ping' as it headed south whilst the 'silent' 777 headed elsewhere...?

[buctootim]

Could 'someone' have sent up an unmanned drone along side the 777 which, when the 777's transponder was turned off continued to 'ping' as it headed south whilst the 'silent' 777 headed elsewhere...?

 

I thought you didn't approve of trolling?

[trousers]

I thought you didn't approve of trolling?

 

Have a pop at me if I repeat the above post 12 times a day for the next 36 weeks

[pap]

But the plane did not land, I presume you haven't seen the Inmarsat/AAIB projected paths, analysis of Doppler effects shows it must have gone south, then basic trigonometry shows it's rough path, nowhere to land but in the drink. The only possible landing point on that path would be the Kerguelen Islands but they're too far south and my colleagues tell me they've not seen a 777 there of late.There is no possible reason to continue to mantain that the aircraft landed somewhere unless of course you chuze to discount all the information which is to date available.

 

My interest in this theory will end the moment that the definitive evidence is found which supports the Inmarsat findings. The best validation of those is finding the wreckage.

[Halo Stickman]

My interest in this theory will end the moment that the definitive evidence is found which supports the Inmarsat findings. The best validation of those is finding the wreckage.

 

I’ll wager there’ll be conspiracists who insist that any wreckage found will be fake or planted.

[pap]

I’ll wager there’ll be conspiracists who insist that any wreckage found will be fake or planted.

 

You would win your money now. Already seen that put forward in advance.

[Viking Warrior]

It's very sad that so many relatives are grieving following the loss of this aircraft .

 

I have know idea what happened and hopefully once the plane is eventually located . The air accident specialist will able to give some closure to the grieving relatives . It might take several years .

 

I'm i correct in thinking that after two years in the sea the French aircraft that went down was found and eventually the cause of the accident was established .

 

Someone on board did something despicable aboard the Malaysian airways plane .was it a member if the. Crew , was it a passenger or passengers . I will let the usual conspirators entertain me with this story over the coming months.

 

I seriously hope we hear more from derry , west stand etc .

[Whitey Grandad]

Could 'someone' have sent up an unmanned drone along side the 777 which, when the 777's transponder was turned off continued to 'ping' as it headed south whilst the 'silent' 777 headed elsewhere...?

 

Very difficult to do. Every aircraft has its own unique ID for the Inmarsat system which the ping addresses and to which the addressed device replies. This is the first stage in the exchange of data to the satellite but MH370 apparently didn't go any further. Any drone would need high speed and range and under this scenario would be sacrificed in the ocean.

 

The transponder is a different system and can be turned off in the cockpit (I believe). The transponder replies to interrogations from the secondary ground radar and replies with the 4-digit octal code (squawk number) which has been set in the cockpit by the pilots. Depending on the type of transponder other information such as altitude and speed may also be sent. This gives a more accurate reading of altitude than a primary radar would. Back in my day the system was called IFF - Identification Friend or Foe.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

I'm thinking back two weeks ago now to the employee who claimed he personally witnessed a large aircraft crashing in flames near his oil rig off the coast of Vietnam, and indeed of other similiar accounts that have emerged since. If in reality MH370 did crash into the remote Southern Ocean far away from any possible Human witness for some unknown reason - and I see no reason at all to doubt that at this time - then all those reports must therefore be wrong.

 

Perhaps at least some of these people innocently misinterpreted something they had genuinely observed, or perhaps they are suffering from a mild mental illness and have trouble telling the difference between reality and what is a mere fantasy. But it is hard to escape the depressing conclusion that people deliberately lie more often, and much more profoundly, than might at first be considered likely. Remember the remarkably large percentage of the US population that apparently claim to have been subject to a so called 'Alien Abduction Experience' and other such nonsense?

 

Anyone old enough to remember the TV series the 'X Files' will recall that this entertaining series would regularly open with the sage advice that its audience should 'Trust No One'. I for one took that to mean that we should question what we are told by those in authority over us more closely, and methinks that's not bad advice actually. But 'Trust No One' works both ways because lies don't just come down to us from the powerful lording it over us - they emerge all too readily from the 'little people' surrounding us too.

 

The truth is out there somewhere, but whether we will ever find it is quite another matter.

[Whitey Grandad]

I'm thinking back two weeks ago now to the employee who claimed he personally witnessed a large aircraft crashing in flames near his oil rig off the coast of Vietnam, and indeed of other similiar accounts that have emerged since. If in reality MH370 did crash into the remote Southern Ocean far away from any possible Human witness for some unknown reason - and I see no reason at all to doubt that at this time - then all those reports must therefore be wrong.

 

Perhaps at least some of these people innocently misinterpreted something they had genuinely observed, or perhaps they are suffering from a mild mental illness and have trouble telling the difference between reality and what is a mere fantasy. But it is hard to escape the depressing conclusion that people deliberately lie more often, and much more profoundly, than might at first be considered likely. Remember the remarkably large percentage of the US population that apparently claim to have been subject to a so called 'Alien Abduction Experience' and other such nonsense?

 

Anyone old enough to remember the TV series the 'X Files' will recall that this entertaining series would regularly open with the sage advice that its audience should 'Trust No One'. I for one took that to mean that we should question what we are told by those in authority over us more closely, and methinks that's not bad advice actually. But 'Trust No One' works both ways because lies don't just come down to us from the powerful lording it over us - they emerge all too readily from the 'little people' surrounding us too.

 

The truth is out there somewhere, but whether we will ever find it is quite another matter.

 

Many years ago we were caravanning in the south of a France and in broad daylight at around 4 in the afternoon I saw what must have been a large meteor moving across the sky. It could easily have been mistaken for a burning plane.

[Halo Stickman]

I'm thinking back two weeks ago now to the employee who claimed he personally witnessed a large aircraft crashing in flames near his oil rig off the coast of Vietnam, and indeed of other similiar accounts that have emerged since. If in reality MH370 did crash into the remote Southern Ocean far away from any possible Human witness for some unknown reason - and I see no reason at all to doubt that at this time - then all those reports must therefore be wrong.

 

Perhaps at least some of these people innocently misinterpreted something they had genuinely observed, or perhaps they are suffering from a mild mental illness and have trouble telling the difference between reality and what is a mere fantasy. But it is hard to escape the depressing conclusion that people deliberately lie more often, and much more profoundly, than might at first be considered likely. Remember the remarkably large percentage of the US population that apparently claim to have been subject to a so called 'Alien Abduction Experience' and other such nonsense?

 

Anyone old enough to remember the TV series the 'X Files' will recall that this entertaining series would regularly open with the sage advice that its audience should 'Trust No One'. I for one took that to mean that we should question what we are told by those in authority over us more closely, and methinks that's not bad advice actually. But 'Trust No One' works both ways because lies don't just come down to us from the powerful lording it over us - they emerge all too readily from the 'little people' surrounding us too.

 

The truth is out there somewhere, but whether we will ever find it is quite another matter.

 

Good point, Charlie.

 

Many people will do or say anything in order to gain attention – the supporting evidence for that appears on our TV screens and in our newspapers with depressing regularity.

[ART]

To myself, one of the biggest mysteries yet to be answered in light that MH370 flew south, is why Indonesia has not been involved or reported not one thing concerning the plane. Do they not have any air defenses or radar, or any form of tracking?

[Saint in Paradise]

Talking of lying I watched an old Top Gear the other day and they had asked

people to do a survey about their cars. 90% of people who responded saying

that they owned Ferraris were telling fibs according to the licensing authority.

 

I know the Chinese people are lied to quite a lot by their Govt. but I find it

a bit strange that the families are saying that the Malaysians are telling lies

as some say that their relatives must still be alive. I know that losing a family

member is traumatic but I can't understand this reaction.

[Whitey Grandad]

Talking of lying I watched an old Top Gear the other day and they had asked

people to do a survey about their cars. 90% of people who responded saying

that they owned Ferraris were telling fibs according to the licensing authority.

 

I know the Chinese people are lied to quite a lot by their Govt. but I find it

a bit strange that the families are saying that the Malaysians are telling lies

as some say that their relatives must still be alive. I know that losing a family

member is traumatic but I can't understand this reaction.

 

Because of their one child policy in many cases they have lost their only family member. Many elderly relatives now have no one to look after them in their old age.

[hutch]

I'm thinking back two weeks ago now to the employee who claimed he personally witnessed a large aircraft crashing in flames near his oil rig off the coast of Vietnam, and indeed of other similiar accounts that have emerged since. If in reality MH370 did crash into the remote Southern Ocean far away from any possible Human witness for some unknown reason - and I see no reason at all to doubt that at this time - then all those reports must therefore be wrong.

 

Perhaps at least some of these people innocently misinterpreted something they had genuinely observed, or perhaps they are suffering from a mild mental illness and have trouble telling the difference between reality and what is a mere fantasy. But it is hard to escape the depressing conclusion that people deliberately lie more often, and much more profoundly, than might at first be considered likely. Remember the remarkably large percentage of the US population that apparently claim to have been subject to a so called 'Alien Abduction Experience' and other such nonsense?

 

Anyone old enough to remember the TV series the 'X Files' will recall that this entertaining series would regularly open with the sage advice that its audience should 'Trust No One'. I for one took that to mean that we should question what we are told by those in authority over us more closely, and methinks that's not bad advice actually. But 'Trust No One' works both ways because lies don't just come down to us from the powerful lording it over us - they emerge all too readily from the 'little people' surrounding us too.

 

The truth is out there somewhere, but whether we will ever find it is quite another matter.

It's a product of social networking. The world has always been full of nutters, but now journalists know where to find them.

 

Get used to it, it's going to get worse.

[OldNick]

To myself, one of the biggest mysteries yet to be answered in light that MH370 flew south, is why Indonesia has not been involved or reported not one thing concerning the plane. Do they not have any air defenses or radar, or any form of tracking?

if the story about the malaysian government not willing to negotiate with the pilot is true, that could be why there was a wild goose chase for 10 days, in fact it may have been very inconvenient for them that the british company has managed to pinpoint where the plane may be. I doubt the black box will ever get found in condition to give any evidence. can you imagine the international outcry if the malaysians did allow the plane to crash?

[Weston Saint]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/11100833.Flight__brought_down_deliberately__says_hero_pilot_BA_flight/

[Gingeletiss]

New satellite imagery, French this time, shows 122 separate pieces of debris in the Southern Indian ocean...breaking news out here.

[Minty]

Yeah, was reported at the daily news conference an hour or so ago... picked up by Airbus satellite images.

 

Sounds like we're getting closer IMO.

[ART]

New satellite imagery, French this time, shows 122 separate pieces of debris in the Southern Indian ocean...breaking news out here.

 

122 items!! Yet despite all the planes, the ships NOT ONE SINGLE ITEM has been reached AND IDENTIFIED as coming from MH370. It's beyond being farcical

[Window Cleaner]

122 items!! Yet despite all the planes, the ships NOT ONE SINGLE ITEM has been reached AND IDENTIFIED as coming from MH370. It's beyond being farcical

 

 

There's a lot of junk in those Oceans ART. Countless small boats have been lost there over the years and then there's stuff washed away in various tsunamis and even flooding in Australia which hangs about in the Ocean for years. Think I read about a cabin cruiser washed away in Australia about 5 years ago which turned up in Africa not long back.

Plus the "122" items are pretty spread out. If you look at the assembled satellite photographs they represent an area 78 kmx78 km ie 6084 sq km which is a long way off the 154 sq miles being cited in the papers and TV.

Edited 26 March, 2014 by Window Cleaner

[swannymere]

122 items!! Yet despite all the planes, the ships NOT ONE SINGLE ITEM has been reached AND IDENTIFIED as coming from MH370. It's beyond being farcical

 

The Ocean is a big place and boats are slow, nobody really has seaplanes with the range either; what do you suggest?

[ART]

The Ocean is a big place and boats are slow, nobody really has seaplanes with the range either; what do you suggest?

 

I am not only referring to the 122 objects but to all the objects spotted over the past 10 days. Ships are in the area but nothing from flight MH 370 has been found

14.57pm 26th March 2014

 

Australia's Maritime Safety Authority says the last aircraft has left the search zone in the Indian Ocean for today.

 

No further sightings of the three objects spotted earlier were reported.

 

The authority said the positions of the 122 objects in the satellite images released today were within today's search area.

[Window Cleaner]

I am not only referring to the 122 objects but to all the objects spotted over the past 10 days. Ships are in the area but nothing from flight MH 370 has been found

14.57pm 26th March 2014

 

Australia's Maritime Safety Authority says the last aircraft has left the search zone in the Indian Ocean for today.

 

No further sightings of the three objects spotted earlier were reported.

 

The authority said the positions of the 122 objects in the satellite images released today were within today's search area.

 

I went to the Kerguelens once, unless you've ever been down in those lattitudes you just cannot understand just how remote and inhospitable the ocean is down there.

[buctootim]

I went to the Kerguelens once, unless you've ever been down in those lattitudes you just cannot understand just how remote and inhospitable the ocean is down there.

 

There was one object tagged with a smoke flare. I couldn't see it even with the tv cameras zoomed in. At present there are only three ships in the search zone - an area the size of England, France, Germany and the low countries combined. Near to impossible job atm.

[pap]

Sent this from contact in Maldives.

 

http://www.haveeru.com.mv/news/54178

[Viking Warrior]

Are the same idiots having a pop at west stand in the echo the same idiots on this site by any chance ?

[Whitey Grandad]

Are the same idiots having a pop at west stand in the echo the same idiots on this site by any chance ?

 

Just the one, surely? I couldn't see any others.

[aintforever]

These links show a good scientific explanation of the complex mathematical puzzle that was solved by Inmarsat engineers surviving on pizza for 6 days/nights while working on the problem in London.

 

http://physicsbuzz.physicscentral.com/2014/03/how-did-inmarsat-really-find-flight.html

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-25/malaysia-jet-traced-with-physics-in-pizza-fueled-inmarsat-huddle.html

 

I see no reason to doubt the evidence, the certainly seem to be pretty transparent about what they are doing as well, can't see any motive for a cover up of any sort.

 

I doubt we will ever find out the reasons behind this, I think there is a week before the black box stops sending a signal and a guy on the radio today said it would be like searching for a suitcase in the Alps, underwater.

Edited 26 March, 2014 by aintforever

[Whitey Grandad]

These links show a good scientific explanation of the complex mathematical puzzle that was solved by Inmarsat engineers surviving on pizza for 6 days/nights while working on the problem in London.

 

http://physicsbuzz.physicscentral.com/2014/03/how-did-inmarsat-really-find-flight.html

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-25/malaysia-jet-traced-with-physics-in-pizza-fueled-inmarsat-huddle.html

 

I see no reason to doubt the evidence, the certainly seem to be pretty transparent about what they are doing as well, can't see any motive for a cover up of any sort.

 

I doubt we will ever find out the reasons behind this, I think there is a week before the black box stops sending a signal and a guy on the radio today said it would be like searching for a suitcase in the Alps, underwater.

 

Thanks for these links, very interesting. It seems that the key to the analysis is that the satellite itself wanders in a figure of eight motion so its relative motion to the plane and the corresponding Doppler shifts help to eliminate the northern route alternative. The four week duration for the black box signal must surely be a minimum specification so you would normally expect a couple of weeks longer but even so the range is limited and in deep water you'd have to be right on top of it to locate it. The link below states that if the plane had been doing 310 knots at 12,000 ft then the crash site would be in a completely different location.

 

http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2014/03/evidence_that_flight_mh370_crashed_in_the_southern_ocean_doppler_effect.2.html

Edited 26 March, 2014 by Whitey Grandad

[buctootim]

Apparently there have been some problems with wiring on 280 777s delivered - implicated in this electrical cockpit fire on a 777 in 2011. Seems to me to be the most plausible explanation yet of what happened to the Malaysian plane which could have been left crippled but flying. A lot of interesting comments at the end (scroll down). Comms possibly either shut down to reduce the number of live circuits or knocked out by fire

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=44078aa7&opt=0

Edited 27 March, 2014 by buctootim

[Minty]

Why does this (sadly) not surprise me?

 

From the BBC.

 

A US-based law firm, Ribbeck Law, has said it expects to represent half of the families of missing passengers in a lawsuit against both Malaysia Airlines and Boeing Co, and has filed an initial petition.

 

Accepting that there may be culpability once we find some evidence and investigate it fully... the fact is that currently there is none, and the efforts should still be on finding the aircraft. I may be wrong, but that stinks of a law firm seeing a money-making opportunity, just as is often the case with lawsuits these days.

[Foxy]

Why does this (sadly) not surprise me?

 

From the BBC.

 

 

 

Accepting that there may be culpability once we find some evidence and investigate it fully... the fact is that currently there is none, and the efforts should still be on finding the aircraft. I may be wrong, but that stinks of a law firm seeing a money-making opportunity, just as is often the case with lawsuits these days.

 

Just taking the whole, rather grubby, ambulance-chasing thing a step further. Mustn't it feel great going into the office each morning to do a job profiting from human misery.

[trousers]

Mustn't it feel great going into the office each morning to do a job profiting from human misery.

 

Maybe that's why Pompey have had so many managers recently? (sorry, couldn't resist...)

[pap]

Just taking the whole, rather grubby, ambulance-chasing thing a step further. Mustn't it feel great going into the office each morning to do a job profiting from human misery.

 

One of the reasons I didn't take law as a youngster.

 

As an adult, I recognise that running the world for a profit motive puts many people in the same position regardless. If you work for a firm that is competing with another and drives it out of business, you've got a little human misery right there, especially when there aren't many jobs going around.

 

I'd have no problem taking law now (apart from the fact I'm ancient )

[Wurzel]

Why does this (sadly) not surprise me?

 

From the BBC.

 

 

 

Accepting that there may be culpability once we find some evidence and investigate it fully... the fact is that currently there is none, and the efforts should still be on finding the aircraft. I may be wrong, but that stinks of a law firm seeing a money-making opportunity, just as is often the case with lawsuits these days.

 

Apart from the total ambulance-chasing seediness of the whole thing, a Malaysian companies aircraft carrying mainly but not exclusively Asian passengers crashes (probably) through as yet unknown causes somewhere in the world but definitely not in USA, so what the **** does this have to do with an American law firm in Illinois? Admittedly Boeing are American but as yet there's no viable suggestion of any fault with the aircraft.

When did this crazy compensation culture become the norm? Were lawyers crawling all over Harland & Wolfe and White Star Line as soon as the Carpathia started picking up Titanic survivors?

[hypochondriac]

Why does this (sadly) not surprise me?

 

From the BBC.

 

 

 

Accepting that there may be culpability once we find some evidence and investigate it fully... the fact is that currently there is none, and the efforts should still be on finding the aircraft. I may be wrong, but that stinks of a law firm seeing a money-making opportunity, just as is often the case with lawsuits these days.

 

Oh dear. Out blame culture at its absolute worst.

[pap]

Interesting.

 

http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big-story/missing-mas-plane/story/malaysia-says-theres-sealed-evidence-mh370-cannot-be-made-publ

 

BEIJING - A Malaysian team have told relatives of Chinese passengers on board the missing Malaysia Airlines (MAS) flight MH370 that there was sealed evidence that cannot be made public, as they came under fire from the angry relatives at a briefing on Wednesday.

 

 

The sealed evidence included air traffic control radio transcript, radar data and airport security recordings.

 

Sealed? Why?

[Minty]

The first question I would be asking is who the 'Malaysian team' is, to get some idea of how legitimate this information is, before looking into the actual information.

[pap]

The first question I would be asking is who the 'Malaysian team' is, to get some idea of how legitimate this information is, before looking into the actual information.

 

It appears to be the team from Malaysian Airlines. They may be just trying to shift the blame in a tense situation.

 

At this stage it's almost inconceivable that they would not have a representative of the government around though.

[hutch]

Apart from the total ambulance-chasing seediness of the whole thing, a Malaysian companies aircraft carrying mainly but not exclusively Asian passengers crashes (probably) through as yet unknown causes somewhere in the world but definitely not in USA, so what the **** does this have to do with an American law firm in Illinois? Admittedly Boeing are American but as yet there's no viable suggestion of any fault with the aircraft.

When did this crazy compensation culture become the norm? Were lawyers crawling all over Harland & Wolfe and White Star Line as soon as the Carpathia started picking up Titanic survivors?

As soon as Contingency Fee Agreements became lawful.