Trout-Tickler Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Although Lallana and Lovren did some arm twisting, a lot of what has gone on so far this summer seems (at least to me) to come down to cold hard business. Shaw left for ~£30M making him the most expensive teenager in world, Chambers is off for ~£16M which is a good amount for someone who's only made 23 1st team appearances last season, we paid £9M for Lovren and have got more than double back (~£20M). The fee for Lallana (~£20M) was reasonable as I don't think he'll do anything at Liverpool to make himself worth more. Looking at Fonte and Cork both have entered the final year of their contracts. It's unclear whether either have been offered new contracts but if they don't sign one during this window their value will decrease considerably. You wouldn't have thought anyone would offer a good money for them in January. Therefore, if they don't sign new contracts before the last week of the transfer window it surely makes business sense to off-load them then in order to maximise the amount they'd go for? I don't want them to go and it's ridiculous that it's got to this stage without them being offered contracts but in terms of cold hard business off-loading them this window makes the most financial sense if they don't sign new ones. Are the board only interested in getting money out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 I really don't think we need yet another threading discussing which players are leaving, particularly these two. Their contract issues are well documented on numerous threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 I think it's worthy of a new thread. The fact that these two, who for the most part have kept a dignified silence, haven't been offered new contracts is pretty incompetent. Then again, nothing these ******s do surprises me at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block34 Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 ....haven't been offered new contracts is pretty incompetent. But, for what it's worth the do actually have contracts in place, so technically, there is no requirement, yet, to give them new ones. All respect to JF and JC, but the Big4 haven't come a-calling for them and if they were to push for a move as per our other ex's, where would they go? Only to a lesser team than SFC which I doubt would be a driver for them career-wise, so it would only be for money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 It's interesting that Harrison Reed was given a new contract before Cork... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 But, for what it's worth the do actually have contracts in place, so technically, there is no requirement, yet, to give them new ones. All respect to JF and JC, but the Big4 haven't come a-calling for them and if they were to push for a move as per our other ex's, where would they go? Only to a lesser team than SFC which I doubt would be a driver for them career-wise, so it would only be for money. Technically there is no requirement but it is pretty incompetent not to offer them one when we have players leaving left right and centre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAY-Z Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Technically there is no requirement but it is pretty incompetent not to offer them one when we have players leaving left right and centre. Or it might be seen as incompetent to offer players extended contracts when Koeman might not want them long term and we may be looking to purchase better. It would be incompetent to have players on your books who are no chance of getting games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddings and Monkeys Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Has one of the top 4 come in for them. No, thought not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Thanks to the OP for confirming that nothing has been offered to them, or discussed with them. Can you tell us which players are signing this week and at what time - thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Or it might be seen as incompetent to offer players extended contracts when Koeman might not want them long term and we may be looking to purchase better. It would be incompetent to have players on your books who are no chance of getting games It shouldn't be up to him to decide. What if he walks out in 12 months? Not conducive to long-term planning giving managers power to shape the club the way they want. The reason the managerial changes under Cortese were so smooth was because the structure remained the same. Koeman's job should be on the training pitch, nowhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Do we actually know they've not been offered contracts which they are stalling/negotiating? Maybe they are like the rest of us waiting to see what happens this summer before committing themselves? or in the case or Cork waiting to see if he gets any game time if he wants to progress his career he needs to be playing and he knows that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Do we actually know they've not been offered contracts which they are stalling/negotiating? Maybe they are like the rest of us waiting to see what happens this summer before committing themselves? or in the case or Cork waiting to see if he gets any game time if he wants to progress his career he needs to be playing and he knows that. Well the way things are going if he sticks around he will certainly get game time! So that's one problem solved then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Apparently, Liverpool have contacted SFC about JRod, now that the Remy deal is off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Club have had enquiries for Cork. Stalling on new contract. Only a matter of time I reckon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Club have had enquiries for Cork. Stalling on new contract. Only a matter of time I reckon... Are you saying the club has offered a contract and Cork is stalling or club are stalling on offering?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Are you saying the club has offered a contract and Cork is stalling or club are stalling on offering?? Club are stalling on offering... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Club are stalling on offering... Oh ok thanks. That seems odd and v.poor from the club, Cork is vital (now more than ever) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Club have had enquiries for Cork. Stalling on new contract. Only a matter of time I reckon... Only a matter of time before what? He's sold or offered a new contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killers Knee Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 I thought both Cork and Fonte were offered 2 year contracts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Only a matter of time before what? He's sold or offered a new contract? My gut feeling is sold. Makes no sense to have not given him a contract extension unless they don't see the need. If Koeman signs Fer or Clasie, and God forbid keep Schneiderlin then Cork could well be considered surplus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 My gut feeling is sold. Makes no sense to have not given him a contract extension unless they don't see the need. If Koeman signs Fer or Clasie, and God forbid keep Schneiderlin then Cork could well be considered surplus. Especially when the plan is to give lots and lots of playing time to JWP and Reed this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 I thought both Cork and Fonte were offered 2 year contracts? i think we sent fonte a letter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Especially when the plan is to give lots and lots of playing time to JWP and Reed this year. Yeah probably think they can maximise Reed and JWP sale price next summer by playing them every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwanamakubwa Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Hang on, if the club has had enquiries but he hasn't been sold, the club finally said no to someone! Rejoice!!! Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 i think we sent fonte a letter Makes sense. Im pretty sure you cant do contract negotiations by twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbob40 Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Yeah probably think they can maximise Reed and JWP sale price next summer by playing them every week. Unless JWP doesn't improve on a relatively poor last season and Reed ...... Well who the **** knows as he has played only a few minutes of professional football. It will also be a lot harder for younger players to settle into a team where there has been such a huge change in personnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trout-Tickler Posted 28 July, 2014 Author Share Posted 28 July, 2014 i think we sent fonte a letter 1st or 2nd class though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Do we actually know they've not been offered contracts which they are stalling/negotiating? Maybe they are like the rest of us waiting to see what happens this summer before committing themselves? or in the case or Cork waiting to see if he gets any game time if he wants to progress his career he needs to be playing and he knows that. Fair chance they won't want to stay given the way things are going at the moment. If I were in their shoes I'd want to keep open my options, which is probably what Fonte has been doing with the reported Cardiff interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 It's interesting that Harrison Reed was given a new contract before Cork... Perhaps Reed/his agent were not asking for a huge weekly wage like Cork might be doing? The players/agents know there was £32m more income from TV money last year and they will probably want a sizeable slice of that. Before committing to a huge new deal for Cork, perhaps Koeman wants to have a good look at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 i think we sent fonte a letter Which one? I'm going for Q. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 28 July, 2014 Share Posted 28 July, 2014 Don't think fonte has too many more seasons left in him at premiership level but cork on the other hand does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waggy Posted 6 August, 2014 Share Posted 6 August, 2014 http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/southampton-player-disappointed-and-sad-about-exits-wants-four-mo Fonte told Record he's had offers from other clubs to leave, but is happy at Southampton and wants to sign a new contract, he's in a pretty decent bargaining situation. Should the situation change he said he'll speak to the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 August, 2014 Share Posted 6 August, 2014 If we're as close to the FFP limit as some are suggesting, we're probably waiting to see who is in the squad and how much headroom in wages we have before we work out how much we can offer Cork and Fonte in contract renewals. Rodriguez's status is going to be a big factor, I can't imagine we'll be able to offer him a new deal he'll accept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 August, 2014 Share Posted 6 August, 2014 I've got a feeling we (the club/Koeman/Reed) just don't see Fonte anad Cork in our long term plans, as unfortunate as that is. I can understand (although not really agree), from a purely footballing point of view, but in terms of team spirit, continuity etc, I think its a bad call from the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lloydie Posted 6 August, 2014 Share Posted 6 August, 2014 Well im pretty sure Fonte was offered new terms via the royal mail according to some on here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 August, 2014 Share Posted 6 August, 2014 I've got a feeling we (the club/Koeman/Reed) just don't see Fonte anad Cork in our long term plans, as unfortunate as that is. I can understand (although not really agree), from a purely footballing point of view, but in terms of team spirit, continuity etc, I think its a bad call from the club. I think it's marginal, and whether they sign will depend on the amount we offer. I think what we've seen is the first period in which salary capping is affecting transfer decisions, and by next year clubs will be a bit more used to it and will have longer term plans. Starting to wonder how long it'll be until someone with a massive pile of cash signs up for a year's unlimited funding of a club, a ton of megabucks 1 year deals and stumping up the cash to pay the FFP fine, just to splash on a one season trophy hunt. Hopefully it'll make a mockery of the FFP rules, which are proving to be completely ridiculous in terms of players ONLY having the option to sign for the big clubs if they want to improve their wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 August, 2014 Share Posted 6 August, 2014 I think it's marginal, and whether they sign will depend on the amount we offer. I think what we've seen is the first period in which salary capping is affecting transfer decisions, and by next year clubs will be a bit more used to it and will have longer term plans. Starting to wonder how long it'll be until someone with a massive pile of cash signs up for a year's unlimited funding of a club, a ton of megabucks 1 year deals and stumping up the cash to pay the FFP fine, just to splash on a one season trophy hunt. Hopefully it'll make a mockery of the FFP rules, which are proving to be completely ridiculous in terms of players ONLY having the option to sign for the big clubs if they want to improve their wages. But unless Fonte and Cork are asking for exceptionally unrealistic amounts, we should be able to accommodate their requests regardless of FFP, if we were all that bothered about keeping them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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