Batman Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 7 game ban for doing this Many ex players on the radio today saying that spitting at another player is the lowest/worst thing a player can do on the field It was like they all wanted to show everyone how outraged they were. Of course spitting is disgusting. But really "the worst thing ever"??!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 Normally only 6 games but Cisse has previous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo71 Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 7 game ban for doing this Many ex players on the radio today saying that spitting at another player is the lowest/worst thing a player can do on the field It was like they all wanted to show everyone how outraged they were. Of course spitting is disgusting. But really "the worst thing ever"??!! Spitting is filthy but people do seem to get very, very precious about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 7 game ban for doing this Many ex players on the radio today saying that spitting at another player is the lowest/worst thing a player can do on the field It was like they all wanted to show everyone how outraged they were. Of course spitting is disgusting. But really "the worst thing ever"??!! I agree with the Paris Angel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 Its bloody disgusting, and Id probably chin anyone that did it to me tbh Though, is it worse than a blatant knee high challenge ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 Some little sh1te spat in my face in Sunday morning game. Seconds later completely did him two footed wrap round tackle and he was flattened and had to be helped off. Actually became mates after that as came up against him in many future games. Tis disgusting obviously but tbh rather he'd down that than snapped my leg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeSixty Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 Get less for being racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 Its bloody disgusting, and Id probably chin anyone that did it to me tbh Though, is it worse than a blatant knee high challenge ? Having had a fairly eventful last couple of seasons at County level involving being headbutted twice, stamped on and punched off the ball, as well as having my knee ligaments and knee cartilage ruined by the kind of tackle whelk mentioned dishing out above, I can confirm I would much rather get spat at, disgusting though it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 Having had a fairly eventful last couple of seasons at County level involving being headbutted twice, stamped on and punched off the ball, as well as having my knee ligaments and knee cartilage ruined by the kind of tackle whelk mentioned dishing out above, I can confirm I would much rather get spat at, disgusting though it is. County level unfortunately is still reffed by some pretty terrible referees. I remember being booked for a perfectly valid challenge as 'apparantly' I showed a bit too much intent, I wasnt the only booking, there were around 8-10 I think aswell as a couple of reds. Even the opposition didnt understand it and agreed it wasnt even a foul. But I agree, Ive had my fair share of injuries, and being spat at doesnt last as long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 Spitting or this ? http://bit.ly/1CGx7hT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 I only had to read the title to click off that. The last IFC game ended with an opponent getting a broken leg, that was an accident but it's still miles worse than spitting, which is less serious than punching someone but more serious than a 3 match ban for shoving someone in the face, if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 7 March, 2015 Share Posted 7 March, 2015 (edited) County level unfortunately is still reffed by some pretty terrible referees. I remember being booked for a perfectly valid challenge as 'apparantly' I showed a bit too much intent, I wasnt the only booking, there were around 8-10 I think aswell as a couple of reds. Even the opposition didnt understand it and agreed it wasnt even a foul. But I agree, Ive had my fair share of injuries, and being spat at doesnt last as long I got booked once for a sliding block of a pass which never came, because the guy decided to jump in the air to avoid me, despite me being 4 yards away from him at the time, and fell over. Same ref also booked me for dissent one time in a Sunday match when I was chatting to a defender about the fact we should have had a corner as the ball came off him. The ref just decided that was dissent, even though I didn't even speak to him and the defender was agreeing with me. Mind you the same guy also sent off a team mate of mine for taking a free kick too quickly and then arguing with him about it afterwards. I think he had it in for me, not undermined by him blowing the final whistle once when I was in the box with the ball at my feet - though it would have been my 10th goal of the match, so it wasn't exactly critical. That one was a (Gwent) County game too. The scary thing was that he was in his 70s at the time and last I heard he was still going. A work colleague of mine refs national youth matches and twice in the past few weeks I've had to educate him on changes to the laws from years ago that he was completely unaware of (notably being able to score direct from a kick off and not having to roll the ball its circumference any more, changed around 1997). But yeah, they're all capable of missing dirty off the ball stuff, also had my nose broken by a flagrant, deliberate (apparently as I didn't see it coming) leading elbow and the ref gave a free kick but didn't ok the guy. Edited 7 March, 2015 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 7 March, 2015 Share Posted 7 March, 2015 It a nasty thing to do. Whilst it doesn't have any lasting effect, it is a hugely inflammatory action, in which the recipient of the gobbing usually wants to knock seven bells out of the offender. anyone remember Rudy Vollers reaction when rickard got him? So it's 7 games, so what, it's not like it's a difficult punishment to avoid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 7 March, 2015 Share Posted 7 March, 2015 (edited) Spitting or this ? http://bit.ly/1CGx7hT red card YES ...and how many banned games, I wonder ? I always think a " mere " 3 match ban cannot be regarded as " real punishment " if it keeps the injured player out for a year....... Edited 7 March, 2015 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 7 March, 2015 Share Posted 7 March, 2015 I think as punishment the spitter should stand in front of several chain smoking guys with bad chest infections and be spat upon for several minutes and then have to roll about in a heap of pubic hair. All done infront of the offenders home crowd. This punishment is known as Tarred in Pubic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 7 March, 2015 Share Posted 7 March, 2015 red card YES ...and how many banned games, I wonder ? I always think a " mere " 3 match ban cannot be regarded as " real punishment " if it keeps the injured player out for a year....... The injured player was forced to retire aged 25, personally that sort of tackle deserves GBH jail time as you cannot tell me that he couldnt control his tackle to stop his leg hitting him mid shin. Ive tackled a lot in my time, and never had an issue keeping my feet down. Its dispicable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 7 March, 2015 Share Posted 7 March, 2015 (edited) Many years ago I got sent off at County level for arguing with a Ref. The keeper took a free kick four yards in side the box. I stood well out side the D.Keeper takes kick,toes the turf and ball rolls out to me.I side foot it back into the net and the Ref says no goal and let the keeper take the kick again. I asked Ref why and he told me 'I'm the Referee and what I say goes' I argued that may be your opinion oppo but I just scored a legitimate goal. He sent me off. Edited 7 March, 2015 by hasper57saint Mis spelt word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 7 March, 2015 Share Posted 7 March, 2015 (edited) Spitting is a muggy thing to do but the punishment is ridiculously disproportionate - even more so when you consider that it and similar off the ball incidents, insofar as they occur outside the ref's view, can be retrospectively punished whereas most horror tackles can't. Reminded of McManaman's challenge on Haidara a couple of seasons ago. Ditto with Barnes on Matic. Both walked away scot-free. Edited 7 March, 2015 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 7 March, 2015 Share Posted 7 March, 2015 As with the Suarez bite thing, and having once had a my leg broken by a bad challenge, I would rather be bit or spat at then have someone go in shin high. Spitting is disgusting but clearly not harmful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 7 March, 2015 Share Posted 7 March, 2015 I agree it seems disproportionately managed but I suppose it's the lack of ambiguity that makes it such a flagrant and unedifying offence. Now, let's see if a Man U player gets a lengthy ban (should be increased for a frivolous appeal IMO).... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 7 March, 2015 Share Posted 7 March, 2015 Both got 6 games, cissè got 7 for previous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 7 March, 2015 Share Posted 7 March, 2015 We're going to miss Cisse. Been great for us this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Kent Saint Posted 7 March, 2015 Share Posted 7 March, 2015 Spitting has history for spreading TB and other diseases , genuine phlem from the lungs is disgusting , footballers saliva is less so but not good . 6 matches is too long a ban for what looked pretty tame. I feel Keane should have done time for his assault on Haaland (sp) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 7 March, 2015 Share Posted 7 March, 2015 ...and having once had a my leg broken by a bad challenge Eh? #shane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 7 March, 2015 Share Posted 7 March, 2015 Typically today, was subjected to a shin high challenge which resulted in a bit of a flair up, that only got a free kick for and that shattered by shin pad (they were old), thankfully my foot wasnt planted. Then the ref went on to book two of their players for leaving the field without permission and one for taking his shirt off. I questioned the ref after, which made matters worse as he admitted he got it wrong and should've sent him off !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 7 March, 2015 Share Posted 7 March, 2015 I don't get how they can give a ban such as this (which is right IMO) but not give any ban for blatant diving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 7 March, 2015 Share Posted 7 March, 2015 ****s trick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 7 March, 2015 Share Posted 7 March, 2015 I don't get how they can give a ban such as this (which is right IMO) but not give any ban for blatant diving. Spitting is easier to prove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roboze Posted 7 March, 2015 Share Posted 7 March, 2015 Neville made me laugh on motd acting like it was the worst thing ever.......seems to have forgotten his team mate (Keane) deliberately ending Haalands career, and then pretty much saying he'd do it again in his book! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 Spitting is easier to prove. A blatant dive is easy to identify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian H. Cope Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 I would rather be bummed than be spat at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 A blatant dive is easy to identify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 I'm glad that they got 6 and 7 game bans for this disgusting act ! You don't see much of this behaviour and the long bans may be a contributory factor, so the system seems to be working fairly well ! Comparing with nasty tackles is not 'like for like' as the degree of intent and premeditation is often unknown, sometimes it is just mistimed and unfortunate so is open to interpretation ! Not saying that bad tackles are acceptable, just that they are all different and should be judged (later, if necessary) on the merits of each case ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 Remember when Kevin Bond did it to Paul Walsh when we played Liverpool in a league cup semi final Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 Spitting is disgusting and needs to be removed from the game. I agree that 6 or 7 games in excessive but maybe that is what is needed to send out the message that it is not tolerated. Ok, it wont break your leg or end your career (unless the spitter has Ebola) but it is nothing to do with the game. Tackles are and sometimes a slightly mistimed tackle can do damage. The ref has to work out what was intentional and what wasn't. If you spit at someone you know what you are doing and it takes things to a whole different level. Physical contact is one thing, exchanging bodily fluids another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stthrobber Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 Spitting is disgusting and needs to be removed from the game. I agree that 6 or 7 games in excessive but maybe that is what is needed to send out the message that it is not tolerated. Ok, it wont break your leg or end your career (unless the spitter has Ebola) but it is nothing to do with the game. Tackles are and sometimes a slightly mistimed tackle can do damage. The ref has to work out what was intentional and what wasn't. If you spit at someone you know what you are doing and it takes things to a whole different level. Physical contact is one thing, exchanging bodily fluids another. I thin the reason the players got lengthy band is because whilst many folks think of spitting as just disgusting, it can and does spread serious illness. We have in Cardiff, a policy of treating all incidents where someone spits at a bus driver as assault. The football authorities clearly see it as serious. I remember reading that Joe Strummer of The Clash contracted Hepatitis from the old punk habit of spitting at the band in the late 70s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikec Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 Remember when Kevin Bond did it to Paul Walsh when we played Liverpool in a league cup semi final And wasn't it Walsh that was sent off for retaliating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Strover Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 I was going to bring up the Saints vs Liverpool League Cup semi-final myself. As a rider to this story though, the spitting came about because every time the Liverpool players trotted into the penalty box for a corner they gobbed on Shilton. Everyone at the Archer's End (I think) could see it but the referee choose to ignore it because he'd have to send off about five Liverpool 'stars' for starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Strover Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 My injuries at local level football include - broken nose (accidental), several broken figures but worst of all a smashed arm done deliberately as I came to the edge of the area to collect a through ball. The player laughed, the referee gave nothing and I played on and tried to drive to the Refinery the next day for work but had to turn around and go to the doctors. I was nine weeks in plaster - the referee saw me ata cup final a few weeks later and said 'oh you did break your arm then'. I walked away. Oh and I was punched hard in the face twice by the same player at the same corner for previous beating his team mate to a bouncing ball and punching it away, no heavy contact or anything, just apparently for stopping him scoring. As kids we were threatened to be knifed after the match during a game because we were better than them and came back from 4-1 down - at the time we thought it was genuine too. I've been booked twice for politely questioning the position of a free-kick and about a violent player who was kicking everyone in the air and whether he should be dealt with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifeintheslowlane Posted 9 March, 2015 Share Posted 9 March, 2015 To be honest we've all seen crazy, potentially leg braking tackles and other violent play over the years but strangely spitting is still considered the one big, disgusting taboo. On that note I vividly recall a Saints game at Wolves in March 1966. The spitting incident involved Dave Webb and the late Derek Dougan...it was played out infront of the Saints away support when the two players stood toe to toe after a typically tough exchange. Dougan spat directly in Webb's face...the Saints crowd went mad but Webb did nothing, the ref did likewise. Dougan went on to be an outspoken chairman of the PFA but I know there were many Saints fans who held him in contempt from that day onwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 9 March, 2015 Share Posted 9 March, 2015 And wasn't it Walsh that was sent off for retaliating?yep thats the one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Summers Posted 9 March, 2015 Share Posted 9 March, 2015 One of the lads I play with this year was banned for a "spitting incident" this season, and was duly banned for 6 games. However there was no proof and he actually blew a kiss at the bloke. However the referee saw it as a spitting incident, therefore that's what went in the match report... Can't appeal those at our level. but it seems 6 games is the minimum ban Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 9 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 9 March, 2015 Sure I read somewhere that the statutory ban for spitting is 6 games. Where as it is 5 games for racism Well. :-/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifeintheslowlane Posted 9 March, 2015 Share Posted 9 March, 2015 Statutory this, statutory that...do we know what you get for breaking someone's leg, spitting on them, whilst passing comment on their ethnic origins? I'm not sure the punishment fits the crime anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 9 March, 2015 Share Posted 9 March, 2015 One of the lads I play with this year was banned for a "spitting incident" this season, and was duly banned for 6 games. However there was no proof and he actually blew a kiss at the bloke. However the referee saw it as a spitting incident, therefore that's what went in the match report... Can't appeal those at our level. but it seems 6 games is the minimum ban FIFA directive, just like yellow card for shirt-tugging and going into the crowd and taking your shirt off and... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 9 March, 2015 Share Posted 9 March, 2015 Are some of our players intending on doing some spitting this weekend? Also when was the last Saints related spitting incident? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Summers Posted 9 March, 2015 Share Posted 9 March, 2015 FIFA directive, just like yellow card for shirt-tugging and going into the crowd and taking your shirt off and... Bear in mind that this is Sunday league! What I'd like to know is.. Could you be booked coming off the pitch, taking your shirt off to give to the player coming on... (whilst also going into the crowd, hence a red card?!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 9 March, 2015 Share Posted 9 March, 2015 Bear in mind that this is Sunday league! What I'd like to know is.. Could you be booked coming off the pitch, taking your shirt off to give to the player coming on... (whilst also going into the crowd, hence a red card?!) A crowd in Sunday League? I've never seen one The shirt and crowd things are in celebration of a goal so I don't think it's likely that you'd be punished. You shouldn't leave the pitch without the referee's permision anyway so as long as you'd cleared it with him or her then you'll be ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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