The9 Posted 6 October, 2016 Share Posted 6 October, 2016 I bought my ticket on Monday morning over a week ago, had a membership but no history (bought membership just for this game, as thought that alone would qualify me ) as used tickets from other friends when I can attend as I play football on Saturdays still. However, I just bought a Milan home leg ticket... went back in straight away and bought the Milan away leg! Easy-peasy, then sorted flights and hotel within a few minutes. Smart move, as the Milan and Be'er Sheva home games have been on the system since just after the "bundle" was released, which puts them comfortably within the parameters of matches which you can still buy AND which qualify as a purchase before the cut-off period (unlike Sunderland League Cup, Burnley etc). So, there's the workaround, "no purchase history" people, buy a Be'er Sheva or Inter home ticket and you're eligible for Inter away.* *no guarantees, just going from what lloydie said, all financial loss to be laid at his door, all rights reserved, coffee may be hot, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 6 October, 2016 Share Posted 6 October, 2016 The elephant in the room here is hooliganism. I can't see why any yobs unconnected to Saints would want to tag along with 300 Saints going to Israel where they'd stand out like a sore thumb and wouldn't expect much trouble to begin with, but I can completely see why they might want to get involved with a trip to the San Siro and Inter's Ultras where they can blend in with 7000 others. It's probably just the club covering themselves in the event of trouble so no-one can say they weren't bothered about who they sold tickets to. The idea that people who want to be involved in bother don't have season tickets or away histories is laughable. I'd imagine our more "active" supporters are probably in the top 1% of our support, and almost certainly were out in Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manzo Posted 6 October, 2016 Share Posted 6 October, 2016 Is anyone flying into Verona on the Thursday morning and fancy sharing a cab into Milan centre (flight lands at 11)? There's a fast direct train from Verona to Milan, might be cheaper to get that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 October, 2016 Share Posted 6 October, 2016 The idea that people who want to be involved in bother don't have season tickets or away histories is laughable. I'd imagine our more "active" supporters are probably in the top 1% of our support, and almost certainly were out in Israel. I'm not talking about Saints fans, I'm talking about general football-following yobs who pitch up at other locations where their team isn't playing - it's a hackneyed concept, but you still get the odd few. Not a recent example, but Cardiff's nobbers were in with the England yobs in Charleroi in 2000 for instance. Chances of doing that are now hugely limited by ticketing restrictions, and for some reason people who just want to fight near a football match get put off by people making things difficult for them. The point isn't even that it is likely to happen, it's that the club don't want to look like they've contributed to it happening if there's an incident. And yes, there were some known Saints nobheads in Be'er Sheva. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lloydie Posted 6 October, 2016 Share Posted 6 October, 2016 On the topic of flights, anyone flying from Stanstead Wednesday around 1pm to Bergamo airport? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vindaloo Posted 6 October, 2016 Share Posted 6 October, 2016 I fell foul of this 'anomaly' a few years ago. I always used to buy tickets for me and my son using my customer number (just seemed like the logical thing to do at the time... i.e. why have two numbers when one will do...?). There then came a game where I couldn't get two tickets because "purchase history" was required for both and from that moment on I simply set up a new customer number for my son and used both to buy tickets from there on in. The difference between then and now is that I was able to persuade the ticket office to apply some common sense to the situation as my purchase pattern for me and my son was obvious from looking at my history. I guess this time it is out of the club's hands though as I assume they are having to follow UEFA and/or Italian authority rules to the letter in that only people that the club can prove to be 'genuine' fans are sold tickets. The hallmarks of the usual sledgehammer to crack a nut by the jobsworths in authority land. This is it isn't just 'genuine' fans when people get given corporate tickets. Some probably don't even support saints and may never have been to a single game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 6 October, 2016 Share Posted 6 October, 2016 There were some Israelis on the coaches from Tel Aviv to the game but they were Saints fans, other than them I saw no other 'locals' in our end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vindaloo Posted 6 October, 2016 Share Posted 6 October, 2016 Easy as a regular internet user etc to say that and yes, I agree as times go on people will be more savvy about this. However my father in law to be for example, he never looks at the official site or focus. He reads the Echo and listens to Solent. He relies on me getting tickets (he does 4/ 5 games a season and has done since the 60's) as thinks the TO are useless for whatever reason. I'm absolutely certain there will be literally thousands of Saints fans like him (and when I say say fans, I mean supporters of the club that may or may not be as "engaged" with the club as you or I). Common sense would dictate anyone with an SO post code or proof they have been to games in the recent past would be added to the database and allowed tickets. Or at least allow ST holders to take a +1 (after everyone else has had a chance to buy tickets). Totally agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 6 October, 2016 Share Posted 6 October, 2016 Easy as a regular internet user etc to say that and yes, I agree as times go on people will be more savvy about this. However my father in law to be for example, he never looks at the official site or focus. He reads the Echo and listens to Solent. He relies on me getting tickets (he does 4/ 5 games a season and has done since the 60's) as thinks the TO are useless for whatever reason. I'm absolutely certain there will be literally thousands of Saints fans like him (and when I say say fans, I mean supporters of the club that may or may not be as "engaged" with the club as you or I). Common sense would dictate anyone with an SO post code or proof they have been to games in the recent past would be added to the database and allowed tickets. Or at least allow ST holders to take a +1 (after everyone else has had a chance to buy tickets). You can easily register your father in law on his behalf so he has a customer number and then allocate all tickets you get for him to it. I do this for my Dad who also isn't really engaged with all the online purchasing stuff. He has little to no knowledge that this even happens but at least he has a history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 October, 2016 Share Posted 6 October, 2016 There were some Israelis on the coaches from Tel Aviv to the game but they were Saints fans, other than them I saw no other 'locals' in our end. There were loads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 6 October, 2016 Share Posted 6 October, 2016 You can easily register your father in law on his behalf so he has a customer number and then allocate all tickets you get for him to it. I do this for my Dad who also isn't really engaged with all the online purchasing stuff. He has little to no knowledge that this even happens but at least he has a history. Good shout that, will get on and sort. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 6 October, 2016 Share Posted 6 October, 2016 Maybe the Italians only agreed to release more tickets if we set the present sales criteria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsarum Posted 6 October, 2016 Share Posted 6 October, 2016 new criteria's announced for Prague also confirmation that first 1,100 tickets are for upper tier https://southamptonfc.com/matches/2016-17/europa/sparta-praha-v-saints-2016-11-24/ticket-info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 6 October, 2016 Share Posted 6 October, 2016 The ticket office is now ringing people with Inter name ticket/passport name conflicts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COMEONYOUREDS Posted 6 October, 2016 Share Posted 6 October, 2016 The ticket office is now ringing people with Inter name ticket/passport name conflicts. Reckon there'll be a fair few on that list! They've left it a bit late haven't they? Turning into a bit of a farce this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 6 October, 2016 Share Posted 6 October, 2016 Reckon there'll be a fair few on that list! They've left it a bit late haven't they? Turning into a bit of a farce this. It's not a farce at all. The requirements were very clearly stated right from the start and it's only those who are desperately trying to find a loophole and ignore the criteria who are causing problems and making work for the club. The tickets are so readily available now to anyone with even the most basic evidence of being a Saints fan I have no sympathy with those trying to get on a glory trip to the San Siro. Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COMEONYOUREDS Posted 6 October, 2016 Share Posted 6 October, 2016 It's not a farce at all. The requirements were very clearly stated right from the start and it's only those who are desperately trying to find a loophole and ignore the criteria who are causing problems and making work for the club. The tickets are so readily available now to anyone with even the most basic evidence of being a Saints fan I have no sympathy with those trying to get on a glory trip to the San Siro. Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk I see your point, but people were always going to do this if they could have a chance, the farce is there will probably be empty seats for those tickets that will be cancelled, that other people could've bought, as they've left checking it to the last minute. If they'd locked the name down and given everyone an opportunity to make sure their name on the system matched their passport, then it wouldn't be an issue. Its been poorly managed and left open to abuse. They didn't make it clear from the very beginning purchase history would be necessary for everyone, and haven't provided a reason why. Its also fair to make an assumption that as it wasn't necessary for Hapoel it wouldn't be for this game. They also stated the 5k allocation would be final and maximum amount they could get. Fair play to them to getting the extra allocation but stating that also encouraged people to try and bend the rules. For the record, I'm not in this group but I know people who are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 October, 2016 Share Posted 6 October, 2016 I see your point, but people were always going to do this if they could have a chance, the farce is there will probably be empty seats for those tickets that will be cancelled, that other people could've bought, as they've left checking it to the last minute. Your argument loses a bit of weight when you consider there will be empty seats anyway - we're not looking like selling out the second allocation. They didn't need to make it clear from the beginning that purchase history was necessary because they were only selling to ST holders with over 5 aways to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoswellSaint Posted 6 October, 2016 Share Posted 6 October, 2016 Especially as there were 50 - 100 Israeli's in the saints end last week. I wonder if these have purchase history? There was even one lad in a Notts Forrest shirt.... Wan*er On the Israeli's subject, nice to see the club (I believe it was from the Saints foundation) were handing them free merchandise after the game.... I've got no idea how those locals managed to get in our end last week. Doubt they bought through Saints though. As for that attention seeking pr*ck in the Forest shirt.. There were a number of Israelis but nowhere near 50-100. And as for the guy in the Forest shirt, did you talk to him? Really nice bloke, traveling with his brother in law and has been to many Saints games with him. Had a lot drinks with them and the Northern Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 6 October, 2016 Share Posted 6 October, 2016 There's a fast direct train from Verona to Milan, might be cheaper to get that? I shall be on that train. I'm staying in Verona Wednesday night and Milan Thursday night taking the train back to Verona Friday lunchtime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoswellSaint Posted 6 October, 2016 Share Posted 6 October, 2016 Easy as a regular internet user etc to say that and yes, I agree as times go on people will be more savvy about this. However my father in law to be for example, he never looks at the official site or focus. He reads the Echo and listens to Solent. He relies on me getting tickets (he does 4/ 5 games a season and has done since the 60's) as thinks the TO are useless for whatever reason. I'm absolutely certain there will be literally thousands of Saints fans like him (and when I say say fans, I mean supporters of the club that may or may not be as "engaged" with the club as you or I). Common sense would dictate anyone with an SO post code or proof they have been to games in the recent past would be added to the database and allowed tickets. Or at least allow ST holders to take a +1 (after everyone else has had a chance to buy tickets). So you should have bought his tickets against a customer number for him. By the sound of it, you should have been well aware of that recommendation the club has made loud and clear for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 October, 2016 Share Posted 6 October, 2016 There were a number of Israelis but nowhere near 50-100. And as for the guy in the Forest shirt, did you talk to him? Really nice bloke, traveling with his brother in law and has been to many Saints games with him. Had a lot drinks with them and the Northern Saints. Why wear a Forest shirt though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 October, 2016 Share Posted 6 October, 2016 There were a number of Israelis but nowhere near 50-100. And as for the guy in the Forest shirt, did you talk to him? Really nice bloke, traveling with his brother in law and has been to many Saints games with him. Had a lot drinks with them and the Northern Saints. Just for the record, you can be a "really nice bloke" AND an "attention seeking pr*ck" too... I'd say there were a handful of Israelis, there was a guy in the row behind us in some kind of military uniform, he was local but had a current Saints shirt too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 October, 2016 Share Posted 6 October, 2016 Why wear a Forest shirt though? Good question, someone must have asked - I couldn't be ar5ed tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 6 October, 2016 Share Posted 6 October, 2016 Why wear a Forest shirt though? Good question, someone must have asked - I couldn't be ar5ed tbh. He's from Nottingham and he's a Forest fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoswellSaint Posted 6 October, 2016 Share Posted 6 October, 2016 Just for the record, you can be a "really nice bloke" AND an "attention seeking pr*ck" too... I'd say there were a handful of Israelis, there was a guy in the row behind us in some kind of military uniform, he was local but had a current Saints shirt too. In my book, I wouldn't consider the latter could be the former, but just my opinion. If you mean the guy near the front, he was from London and is English. He was serving, voluntarily, in some part of Israeli army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 October, 2016 Share Posted 6 October, 2016 He's from Nottingham and he's a Forest fan. Obviously, but he's not at a Forest game. Just an attention seeker I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 6 October, 2016 Share Posted 6 October, 2016 Obviously, but he's not at a Forest game. Just an attention seeker I guess. It's a red football shirt and an interesting talking point. Don't really see the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 October, 2016 Share Posted 6 October, 2016 It's a red football shirt and an interesting talking point. Don't really see the issue. There's nothing remotely interesting about a Nottingham Forest football shirt, odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabrice29 Posted 6 October, 2016 Share Posted 6 October, 2016 I see your point, but people were always going to do this if they could have a chance, the farce is there will probably be empty seats for those tickets that will be cancelled, that other people could've bought, as they've left checking it to the last minute. If they'd locked the name down and given everyone an opportunity to make sure their name on the system matched their passport, then it wouldn't be an issue. Its been poorly managed and left open to abuse. They didn't make it clear from the very beginning purchase history would be necessary for everyone, and haven't provided a reason why. Its also fair to make an assumption that as it wasn't necessary for Hapoel it wouldn't be for this game. They also stated the 5k allocation would be final and maximum amount they could get. Fair play to them to getting the extra allocation but stating that also encouraged people to try and bend the rules. For the record, I'm not in this group but I know people who are. It's been far from a farce tbf and at no point have the club encouraged anyone to bend the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 6 October, 2016 Share Posted 6 October, 2016 There's nothing remotely interesting about a Nottingham Forest football shirt, odd. "Why are you here if you're a Forest fan?" - conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 October, 2016 Share Posted 6 October, 2016 "Why are you here if you're a Forest fan?" - conversation. Pity our end wasn't full of Crewe, Barnsley and Walsall fans then it would really be interesting, fingers crossed for Milan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John D Posted 6 October, 2016 Share Posted 6 October, 2016 There were a number of Israelis but nowhere near 50-100. And as for the guy in the Forest shirt, did you talk to him? Really nice bloke, traveling with his brother in law and has been to many Saints games with him. Had a lot drinks with them and the Northern Saints. Good to have met you. Hope you had a good trip home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 October, 2016 Share Posted 6 October, 2016 Obviously, but he's not at a Forest game. Just an attention seeker I guess. I managed to squeeze in Wolves v Norwich on Saturday without wearing a Saints shirt, and I think I may have something of a reputation around here for being a bit obsessed with them... But wearing a different team's shirt to a game is just weird,. Even if you're just a football tourist, it's got nothing to do with your club, you're not the focal point, so if you're going to go, going "normal" is normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
influx Posted 7 October, 2016 Share Posted 7 October, 2016 attention seeking forest fan being criticised on here For attention seeking. Ironic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 7 October, 2016 Share Posted 7 October, 2016 attention seeking forest fan being criticised on here For attention seeking. Ironic. What's ironic about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Forest Steve Posted 7 October, 2016 Share Posted 7 October, 2016 attention seeking forest fan being criticised on here For attention seeking. Ironic. influx .... did that come out right ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 7 October, 2016 Share Posted 7 October, 2016 (edited) What's ironic about it? It's like rain on your wedding day Or a traffic jam when all you need is a spoon Edited 7 October, 2016 by whelk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 7 October, 2016 Share Posted 7 October, 2016 There's nothing remotely interesting about a Nottingham Forest football shirt, odd. You seem fairly interested, to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John D Posted 7 October, 2016 Share Posted 7 October, 2016 Well, having been to Israel the Forest fan will have a purchase history so will be fine for a ticket to Milan then! The bit that baffled me was the saints chap who went down and gave a load of verbal abuse to the Forest fan for being disrespectful (not the words he used) to Saints. Realised no-one else was bothered and skulked back off again. Bizarre! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 7 October, 2016 Share Posted 7 October, 2016 Well, having been to Israel the Forest fan will have a purchase history so will be fine for a ticket to Milan then! The bit that baffled me was the saints chap who went down and gave a load of verbal abuse to the Forest fan for being disrespectful (not the words he used) to Saints. Realised no-one else was bothered and skulked back off again. Bizarre! What's probably more bizarre is how he got a ticket in the first place, surely it must mean he already had a purchase history? If not, how is casual Forest fan allowed to buy one for a European Saints game but a genuine casual Saints fan not? Also, UEFA rules must have been broken by the Israelis by letting non-Saints fans into the away section which could have caused a volatile situation? This would have backfired on SFC if there was trouble. There seems to be double-standards at play here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_saint Posted 7 October, 2016 Share Posted 7 October, 2016 What's probably more bizarre is how he got a ticket in the first place, surely it must mean he already had a purchase history? If not, how is casual Forest fan allowed to buy one for a European Saints game but a genuine casual Saints fan not? Also, UEFA rules must have been broken by the Israelis by letting non-Saints fans into the away section which could have caused a volatile situation? This would have backfired on SFC if there was trouble. There seems to be double-standards at play here. You didn't need to have a previous purchase history to buy a ticket in Isreal Sent from my SM-G928F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 7 October, 2016 Share Posted 7 October, 2016 You didn't need to have a previous purchase history to buy a ticket in Isreal OK...but you have to ask then, why do you need one for Milan when there's so many tickets available? The bit about the Israelis letting anyone into the Saints section should still raise questions from SFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_saint Posted 7 October, 2016 Share Posted 7 October, 2016 OK...but you have to ask then, why do you need one for Milan when there's so many tickets available? The bit about the Israelis letting anyone into the Saints section should still raise questions from SFC. That's the question a lot of people have been asking but the club seem to not want to share the answer Sent from my SM-G928F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 7 October, 2016 Share Posted 7 October, 2016 OK...but you have to ask then, why do you need one for Milan when there's so many tickets available? The bit about the Israelis letting anyone into the Saints section should still raise questions from SFC. I believe it is a requirement from the Italian Police, and thus Inter Milan, to stop random English fans turning up for a ruck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_saint Posted 7 October, 2016 Share Posted 7 October, 2016 I believe it is a requirement from the Italian Police, and thus Inter Milan, to stop random English fans turning up for a ruck. Then that needs to be communicated. However still don't see why they can't sell tickets on general sale and still take passport numbers etc. That way they'll all have full clarity on whose buying tickets. Sent from my SM-G928F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 7 October, 2016 Share Posted 7 October, 2016 Then that needs to be communicated. However still don't see why they can't sell tickets on general sale and still take passport numbers etc. That way they'll all have full clarity on whose buying tickets. Sent from my SM-G928F using Tapatalk Exactly. Perhaps Italian authorities have different rules on away/European tickets, but you don't need any kind of purchase history to buy home end tickets, just matching id, for the name they put on your ticket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 7 October, 2016 Share Posted 7 October, 2016 Just thinking out loud, but the fact that bitter rivals Inter and AC Milan both play at San Siro must mean that there are some pretty strict controls in place to properly identify "home" fans for any game there. Italy has its own hooligan problems. I doubt whether anybody would be stoopid enough to apply reduced safety criteria for a European game in today's blame culture society. I expect those rules are applied to every Inter home game, to prevent AC Milan idiots ambushing them, and our game will be no different. It's not intended to keep Saints fans out, it's intended to keep AC Milan fans out. That's a good thing, because otherwise we'll get the blame if they cause trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 7 October, 2016 Share Posted 7 October, 2016 Just thinking out loud, but the fact that bitter rivals Inter and AC Milan both play at San Siro must mean that there are some pretty strict controls in place to properly identify "home" fans for any game there. Italy has its own hooligan problems. I doubt whether anybody would be stoopid enough to apply reduced safety criteria for a European game in today's blame culture society. I expect those rules are applied to every Inter home game, to prevent AC Milan idiots ambushing them, and our game will be no different. It's not intended to keep Saints fans out, it's intended to keep AC Milan fans out. That's a good thing, because otherwise we'll get the blame if they cause trouble. Names on tickets to match ID is standard for all Italian games, having to have prior purchase history isn't ever the case for any of their matches though as far as I'm aware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 7 October, 2016 Share Posted 7 October, 2016 So what's to stop 100 AC Milan fans registering on the website and buying tickets for the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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