Mr X Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 Of course i always want the team to do well not wishing for a loss and know I will get slated for this but in all honesty I fear if jan manages to get another freak result ala reading away. It will give Lowe more ammunition to stick with Jan 'nice but clueless' poorvliet and time is of the essence if we are to have a hope of staying up Cue the abuse............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 We are in a lose-lose situation. If he pulls off a freak result, there's a slim chance we could stay up - but he will not be sacked. If we lose, there is pretty much no chance of us staying up - and he still probably won't be sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 No we need to win - we really need to win. But we wont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 We are in a lose-lose situation. If he pulls off a freak result, there's a slim chance we could stay up - but he will not be sacked. If we lose, there is pretty much no chance of us staying up - and he still probably won't be sacked. It seems more important to some that JP is sacked rather than SFC win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 20 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 January, 2009 It seems more important to some that JP is sacked rather than SFC win I do want us to win as stated in my original post just that i feel a win could have negative implications in the bigger picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeg Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 Of course i always want the team to do well not wishing for a loss and know I will get slated for this but in all honesty I fear if jan manages to get another freak result ala reading away. It will give Lowe more ammunition to stick with Jan 'nice but clueless' poorvliet and time is of the essence if we are to have a hope of staying up Cue the abuse............ no abuse from me - I recognize and understand the sentiment entierly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Chuckle Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 The Barnsley win which was much needed has kept JP in his job for about another 10 games! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 I'd trade a new manager for staying up and every freak result in our favour is a step closer to safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 20 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 January, 2009 I'd trade a new manager for staying up and every freak result in our favour is a step closer to safety. Thats true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plumstead_Saint Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 It seems more important to some that JP is sacked rather than SFC win Are you so dense that you genuinely cannot understand what they are driving at and what is the long-term objective? Or are you just trying to score points, make yourself out as a better fan than them, and create divisions among the fans while you are at it? I know which one my money is on. Shame on you. Edit: Ponty - you are missing the point. It would only be a freak result if it went against the trend - so a freak result cannot by it's nature save us from relegation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 Usually Lowe gets let off the hook with a win here and there, but with the team we've got now i can't us getting any points on the road before the main event against Swansea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 Are you so dense that you genuinely cannot understand what they are driving at and what is the long-term objective? Or are you just trying to score points, make yourself out as a better fan than them, and create divisions among the fans while you are at it? I know which one my money is on. Shame on you. Edit: Ponty - you are missing the point. It would only be a freak result if it went against the trend - so a freak result cannot by it's nature save us from relegation All I am saying is that instead of getting behind JP there appears to be a feeling that he must go and that is the more important than winning. You could be a little less rude in calling me dense and try to understand that other people can have another view. JP may not be the right man to develop the youngsters but only time will tell. They obviously need a lot of support which I dont feel they are getting from some people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 Ponty - you are missing the point. It would only be a freak result if it went against the trend - so a freak result cannot by it's nature save us from relegation I'd consider any number of wins to be a freak result tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stax Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 Every 5 games JP seems to pull off a victory in the most unlikely of places which keeps him in the job, sadly at this rate we are not going to stay up. But seriously could Dowie,Boothroyd,etc,etc keep us up with no money to spend and games fast running out, its a big ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 All I am saying is that instead of getting behind JP there appears to be a feeling that he must go and that is the more important than winning. As others have pointed out, I think you have missed the point somewhat. What the OP was saying was that if you accept that JP in the long term is not the right man for the job and would ultimately damage us, then losing one game to rid us of his presence might be a price worth paying. JP may not be the right man to develop the youngsters but only time will tell. 28 games have given us a very good perspective of whether he is the right man for the job. I don't think I want to give him any more time!!! They obviously need a lot of support which I dont feel they are getting from some people What do you base that on? Attendances have fallen as a direct result of performances (not the other way round) and those who have attended have been extremely supportive and understanding of the team and up until now, Poortvliet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 All I am saying is that instead of getting behind JP there appears to be a feeling that he must go and that is the more important than winning. You could be a little less rude in calling me dense and try to understand that other people can have another view. JP may not be the right man to develop the youngsters but only time will tell. They obviously need a lot of support which I dont feel they are getting from some people So how long do you want to give until Rome burns to ashes? While you pontificate things are just going from bad to worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rover Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 Lowe must realise by now that JP is not going to save the club from relegation or attract enough punters to save us from administration. I think he's up to something. Maybe he wants to bring on administration while acting as if he doesn't, hence being seen to meet with JP to sort things out. I wonder if he is already preparing a bid to buy the club out of administration. I suspect he'll never dare set foot in SMS on a match day if he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 I'd take a loss if it meant the end of JP tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 i will never want saints to lose, ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plumstead_Saint Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 All I am saying is that instead of getting behind JP there appears to be a feeling that he must go and that is the more important than winning. You could be a little less rude in calling me dense and try to understand that other people can have another view. I didn't call you dense - I asked if you were, and went on to suggest that you were not, but were keen on making yourself look clever and stirring up trouble. Feel free to be offended by THAT accusation :p:p Me - I would be happy to lose the next 2 games if it meant winning the 12 after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 I understand the arguement, but lose and then Wotte replaces JP or perhaps even JP stays, or win and get 3 points in the bag. I'll take the latter every time. I know its hard (perhaps now impossible) to believe but one win might bring another, you have to have that hope, don't you? There is never going to be a time that I want us to lose, ever. No matter how clueless JP acts I still have sympathy for him as he has utter garbage to work with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 He should be sacked win or lose. TBH the sacking should have happened weeks ago.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 He should be sacked win or lose. TBH the sacking should have happened weeks ago.. Correct, but Lowe is as always doing what he thinks is best for himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelkel31 Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 i understand the threads point, but we must win and we must not allow the result to allow the winds of change to fail in the long term objective of wholesale change in the management of our club!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 Look, Lowe has made a decision, or indecision in my opinion, so lets get on with it. A win at Norwich and a win home to Swansea just might change the mood temporarily although I think we will be lucky to gain 1 point. Lowe is not likey to rid us of this present coaching system or personnel this side of relegation. Or will he have the balls to act swiftly if we lose on Tuesday? He had his chance today and blew it so I think not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 Look, Lowe has made a decision, or indecision in my opinion, so lets get on with it. A win at Norwich and a win home to Swansea just might change the mood temporarily although I think we will be lucky to gain 1 point. Lowe is not likey to rid us of this present coaching system or personnel this side of relegation. Or will he have the balls to act swiftly if we lose on Tuesday? He had his chance today and blew it so I think not. Problem is Ron that I'm sat here thoroughly depressed and let down that we have to persevere with this mental experiment. Just saying, that's it, there's nothing doing, just shut up and get on with it doesn't sit too well with me (and I reckon many others as well). I feel like one of those lions in the trenches who just has to accept his fate and has been told he has to go over the top when the whistle blows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 Problem is Ron that I'm sat here thoroughly depressed and let down that we have to persevere with this mental experiment. Just saying, that's it, there's nothing doing, just shut up and get on with it doesn't sit too well with me (and I reckon many others as well). I feel like one of those lions in the trenches who just has to accept his fate and has been told he has to go over the top when the whistle blows. To be honest machine gunning a bunch of negative ****ers like you wouldn't necessarily be a bad result I am not against change, but it is difficult to see what benefit it would bring in the time remaining with the resources we have available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 We need to lose the board not football games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 To be honest machine gunning a bunch of negative ****ers like you wouldn't necessarily be a bad result I am not against change, but it is difficult to see what benefit it would bring in the time remaining with the resources we have available. Behave yourself. It's hardly negative to want a change of manager when this season has been a fcking disaster (except the odd away win) and we're sat in the relegation zone after losing to two of our closest relegation rivals in the last three home games. If your opinion is that we should just grin and bear it, then that's your shout, but I feel that even given our resources and with less than a half a season gone, then a change of manager would not be a bad idea. I'm being positive in my request for change in hope that we can move up the table. You'd be better off turning that machine gun on Room 404 & 405 of the De Vere tomorrow night when Jan and Wotte check in. If anything, I'd call your defeatist attitude and saying that there's nothing we can do as much more negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 To be honest machine gunning a bunch of negative ****ers like you wouldn't necessarily be a bad result I am not against change, but it is difficult to see what benefit it would bring in the time remaining with the resources we have available. A bad workman will always blame his tools. It's been obvious to most of us for some time now that this fellow is tactically and motivationally clueless. Some basic organisation and sense of purpose with players given simple, straightforward instructions that maximise their capabilities and negate the opposition's are not too much to ask for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 To be honest machine gunning a bunch of negative ****ers like you wouldn't necessarily be a bad result I am not against change, but it is difficult to see what benefit it would bring in the time remaining with the resources we have available. No. No, it isn't. Unless you're mental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 To be honest machine gunning a bunch of negative ****ers like you wouldn't necessarily be a bad result I am not against change, but it is difficult to see what benefit it would bring in the time remaining with the resources we have available. Well you are own your own then,because just about everyone i know wants change. They want changes from Lowe and Wilde down to Portaloo. Im not saying that change is always good,but god its better than what we have now. Anyway Derby and Notts Forest dont seem to have done so bad after making changes do they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 All I am saying is that instead of getting behind JP there appears to be a feeling that he must go and that is the more important than winning. You could be a little less rude in calling me dense and try to understand that other people can have another view. JP may not be the right man to develop the youngsters but only time will tell. They obviously need a lot of support which I dont feel they are getting from some people Come on John, the support as been excellent all season, Saturday was the first negative atmosphere i've experienced all season. I know the numbers haven't been great but I feel the support has been, i thought the fans would of turnt months ago, 1 win in 14! Going back to numbers, JP had never managed a team with more than 4k supporters at a game, so for him the support is huge, even the new lad, jean paul Siese (sp?) couldn't believe the amount of traveling at Barnsley! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 Look, Lowe has made a decision, or indecision in my opinion, so lets get on with it. A win at Norwich and a win home to Swansea just might change the mood temporarily although I think we will be lucky to gain 1 point. Lowe is not likey to rid us of this present coaching system or personnel this side of relegation. Or will he have the balls to act swiftly if we lose on Tuesday? He had his chance today and blew it so I think not. Ron, I have a big problem with JP and the alleged Dutch setup. When he came here he set out how the system worked, how it was important to have two raiding wide men on the touchlines. Then all season we have had a succession of wide men playing narrow, no crosses from the byeline, trying to batter the door down of a massed defence on a narrow front, nobody outside the far post, every bugger in the middle getting blocked off. Worse still because of this we are vulnerable to the counter attack wide and on the far post. If these idiots are such good coaches why is it they are letting our team play like imbeciles. If we would only play two proper banks of four, forget whether the strikers are two up or one/one, as long as the wingers stay wide to stretch out the defence, and the winger not on the ball doesn't allow himself to be sucked in and loiters on the corner of the penalty area to attack the far post, even now we could get out of trouble. It would also fill the gaps in our defence and make us a lot less vulnerable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 Lowe must realise by now that JP is not going to save the club from relegation or attract enough punters to save us from administration. I think he's up to something. Maybe he wants to bring on administration while acting as if he doesn't, hence being seen to meet with JP to sort things out. I wonder if he is already preparing a bid to buy the club out of administration. I suspect he'll never dare set foot in SMS on a match day if he does. This is something I've worried about for a long time, things just don't add up, why Lowe & Wilde? Why JP, there's loads of managers from lower leagues that would be as cheap, if not cheaper than jp that have experience in English football that would of jumped at the chance, Mick Holmes anyone?? I'm not sure if Lowe's planning to buy it from admin, i keep hearing the name "Jacksons farm" pop up! From the little I know the land was left for club use only, no building, no selling etc, if the club fell into admin that clause would be out the window as all club assets are fair game! Not sure how this appeal to Lowe, I just don't get what he's doing here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 Come on John, the support as been excellent all season, Saturday was the first negative atmosphere i've experienced all season. I know the numbers haven't been great but I feel the support has been, i thought the fans would of turnt months ago, 1 win in 14! Going back to numbers, JP had never managed a team with more than 4k supporters at a game, so for him the support is huge, even the new lad, jean paul Siese (sp?) couldn't believe the amount of traveling at Barnsley! Sorry I meant support on here not at the games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 Sorry I meant support on here not at the games Sorry you expect us to support him on here after watching 1 win in 14 and some of the most stupid tactics ever seen ? You think we should all just go happy clappy when we are 2nd bottom and getting taught lessons by Doncaster and Forest at home? I think I need to borrow Perrins gun and put you and him out misery!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 Sorry I meant support on here not at the games Fair point but in all honesty if the support of a chat forum is going to make a difference then we're fooked my friend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt SFC Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 I just hope we're not on Sky for the last game of the season, as then we've got absolutely no chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 20 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 January, 2009 I just hope we're not on Sky for the last game of the season, as then we've got absolutely no chance we'll be down long before then anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 I just hope we're not on Sky for the last game of the season, as then we've got absolutely no chance If this idiot is still our coach for much longer it won`t make any difference what happens in that game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 I just hope we're not on Sky for the last game of the season, as then we've got absolutely no chance Perhaps a little Irish I know, but if we are going to get relegated this season, I hope we are down long before the last game of the season. I couldn't bear it going to the last game and not making it - no way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graymalkin33 Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Anyone not wanting us to win is just sick in the head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Lets face it Admin or League position, we are going down so sack JP and get someone in now who can cope with a tricky test at Yeovil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Anyone not wanting us to win is just sick in the head i,m with you on that but some posters seem to think like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runaway Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Of course i always want the team to do well not wishing for a loss and know I will get slated for this but in all honesty I fear if jan manages to get another freak result ala reading away. It will give Lowe more ammunition to stick with Jan 'nice but clueless' poorvliet and time is of the essence if we are to have a hope of staying up Cue the abuse............ I've been thinking this for a while... we continue to lose vital home games and just when you think enough is enough, we pull off some away victory that seems to give Jan Portvliet legs to stay on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Cant believe this site at times... we NEED to stay up.... woudl you have said at teh start of the season, given the resources and the fact we only had teh kids that a sensible objective for JP should be survival? I think that would have been fair.... so should we not judge on that front and give the side every opportunity to succeed in that objective? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Cant believe this site at times... we NEED to stay up.... woudl you have said at teh start of the season' date=' given the resources and the fact we only had teh kids that a sensible objective for JP should be survival? I think that would have been fair.... so should we not judge on that front and give the side every opportunity to succeed in that objective?[/quote'] I understand what you're saying - and agree that we do need to stay up - it goes without saying. The problem is, that I cannot (at this moment in time) see us achieving it. I would agree with your objectives for this season too - they were actually the ones that I thought would be reasonable. Currently we are only 2 league places from those objectives, but sadly with 19 games still to go - I cannot see us meeting them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Of course i always want the team to do well not wishing for a loss and know I will get slated for this but in all honesty I fear if jan manages to get another freak result ala reading away. It will give Lowe more ammunition to stick with Jan 'nice but clueless' poorvliet and time is of the essence if we are to have a hope of staying up Cue the abuse............ No abuse from me. I realise where the sentiment is here. I think we'd all like Saints to start getting their act together, nicely and consistently, over the next half dozen games [like they have been doing at Notts Forest, for example], and slowly creep up the league. Nobody expects miracles, and that is why we know where the club is heading, because it's going to take one to stop this train. Freak results, that Saints have always been good at, are just a distraction. They merely give the younger fans a bit of hope, and make us older ones groan because it just extends the pain. Younger fans might note how similar it all is to when the last relegation happened. Only this time sadly, the circumstances are more desperate and there is less hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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