Tyler Dibling

[Lighthouse]

3 minutes ago, Forester said:

To me this is one of the easier dilemmas we have faced.  With the caveat that the more reliable sources are correct.

£50 million (in some form) is decent value for a highly promising but unpredictable talent.  
 

However, if it isn’t met, he stays.  We hear he isn’t a problem player.  But crucially, unlike an older player moving through his contract at say aged 28 does anyone seriously think his valuation will fall over one year?  
 

And so I hope we don’t budge an inch and the ball is in Everton or whoever’s court.  Pay up or fuck off

Yes, it will basically half.

[RedArmy]

3 hours ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Saints going down the “put up or shut up” route 👍🏻

As we should. Everyone has got a price but you can’t stay up if you’ve sold all of the talent capable of playing at the league you hope to get to and stay in. 

[Jimmy_D]

Makes me laugh seeing how much they’re saying that we’ll have an unhappy player on our hands and hoping he’ll kick up a massive fuss.

To go to Everton?  

[SambaMaverick]

Best case scenario would be him signing a new deal with a release clause matching that valuation, putting the onus on him to have a good season so he can move somewhere more attractive than fucking Everton.

[OldNick]

16 minutes ago, Forester said:

To me this is one of the easier dilemmas we have faced.  With the caveat that the more reliable sources are correct.

£50 million (in some form) is decent value for a highly promising but unpredictable talent.  
 

However, if it isn’t met, he stays.  We hear he isn’t a problem player.  But crucially, unlike an older player moving through his contract at say aged 28 does anyone seriously think his valuation will fall over one year?  
 

And so I hope we don’t budge an inch and the ball is in Everton or whoever’s court.  Pay up or fuck off

Apparently if we keep him a season he will then be able to run his contract down as he only would have a season left, so we would in theory lose 50% or more

[Midfield_General]

4 minutes ago, Jimmy_D said:

Makes me laugh seeing how much they’re saying that we’ll have an unhappy player on our hands and hoping he’ll kick up a massive fuss.

To go to Everton?  

The chance to play alongside Michael Keane and Dwight McNeil, for a club whose fans abuse their own players in the street? I mean it’s once in a lifetime stuff isn’t it?

And that’s before you even get to see the finest dugouts in Europe.

Should be hearing confirmation in the press any minute now that Dibling’s transfer request has been handed in, surely. Once your head’s been turned by a giant like them, that’s it. 

[OldNick]

4 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

The chance to play alongside Michael Keane and Dwight McNeil, for a club whose fans abuse their own players in the street? I mean it’s once in a lifetime stuff isn’t it?

And that’s before you even get to see the finest dugouts in Europe.

Should be hearing confirmation in the press any minute now that Dibling’s transfer request has been handed in, surely. Once your head’s been turned by a giant like them, that’s it. 

I assume the dug outs are part of the Beatles/Liverpool heritage tour

[Dusic]

Couldn't see him in any of the training footage today. Obvious he will be on his way, its just negotiation now and once its done both sides will be putting their spin out on the fee, how happy they are with the deal etc.

If Everton get him its a cracking signing for them.

If we get £45m + for a player who walked away for virtually nothing about 3 years ago and won't sign a new deal then we can't really complain, just frustrating that none of our real top talents ever play more than one season with us and always seem to be in a shit Saints team, Luke Shaw excepted.

[Jimmy_D]

1 minute ago, Dusic said:

Couldn't see him in any of the training footage today. Obvious he will be on his way, its just negotiation now and once its done both sides will be putting their spin out on the fee, how happy they are with the deal etc.

If Everton get him its a cracking signing for them.

If we get £45m + for a player who walked away for virtually nothing about 3 years ago and won't sign a new deal then we can't really complain, just frustrating that none of our real top talents ever play more than one season with us and always seem to be in a shit Saints team, Luke Shaw excepted.

He’s been carrying a knock, not much to read into that either way.

[Oisin]

24 minutes ago, Forester said:

To me this is one of the easier dilemmas we have faced.  With the caveat that the more reliable sources are correct.

£50 million (in some form) is decent value for a highly promising but unpredictable talent.  
 

However, if it isn’t met, he stays.  We hear he isn’t a problem player.  But crucially, unlike an older player moving through his contract at say aged 28 does anyone seriously think his valuation will fall over one year?  
 

And so I hope we don’t budge an inch and the ball is in Everton or whoever’s court.  Pay up or fuck off

I actually think it’s a fairly big decision for us as it’s quite a gamble.

In 12 months time:

If he stays and plays well, there will be a bidding war and we’d still get a decent chunk (though considerably less due to contract length). Loss of money for not much gain.

If he stays and plays well AND helps us to promotion it’s either ditto or he may sign a new contract. Possible Loss of money for very significant gain.

If he stays and does poorly, we could struggle to get much at all for him, whether we’re promoted or not, and might not want to keep him ourselves.  Loss of a lot of money for no gain.

Being a 100% profit generator for PSR it’s quite a conundrum. I like him and think if he stayed he’d be a star this season and help us get promoted so it’d be worth keeping him, but the potential loss if I’m wrong on that is considerable.

[Jimmy_D]

2 minutes ago, Oisin said:

I actually think it’s a fairly big decision for us as it’s quite a gamble.

In 12 months time:

If he stays and plays well, there will be a bidding war and we’d still get a decent chunk (though considerably less due to contract length). Loss of money for not much gain.

If he stays and plays well AND helps us to promotion it’s either ditto or he may sign a new contract. Possible Loss of money for very significant gain.

If he stays and does poorly, we could struggle to get much at all for him, whether we’re promoted or not, and might not want to keep him ourselves.  Loss of a lot of money for no gain.

Being a 100% profit generator for PSR it’s quite a conundrum. I like him and think if he stayed he’d be a star this season and help us get promoted so it’d be worth keeping him, but the potential loss if I’m wrong on that is considerable.

Or we sell him, his replacement does/doesn’t work out, and we’re stuck with a player that does/doesn’t suit us.

As ever in football, there’s no option without risk/reward.

[Convict Colony]

Not my asset and not my money so its really Dragan's risk tolerance that matters

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

Hope this doesn’t jeopardise my chances of winning a signed Tyler Dibling shirt!

[Convict Colony]

10 minutes ago, Ivan Katalinic's 'tache said:

Hope this doesn’t jeopardise my chances of winning a signed Tyler Dibling shirt!

Why is a 19 yr old Norwich city fan tweeting constantly about everton's transfer business

[BARCELONASAINT]

My pet monkey is advising all Saints web forum members to kick up a fuss and try to force the sectioning of the attention seeking whore Lorenzo Jabota

[saintant]

1 hour ago, Oisin said:

I actually think it’s a fairly big decision for us as it’s quite a gamble.

In 12 months time:

If he stays and plays well, there will be a bidding war and we’d still get a decent chunk (though considerably less due to contract length). Loss of money for not much gain.

If he stays and plays well AND helps us to promotion it’s either ditto or he may sign a new contract. Possible Loss of money for very significant gain.

If he stays and does poorly, we could struggle to get much at all for him, whether we’re promoted or not, and might not want to keep him ourselves.  Loss of a lot of money for no gain.

Being a 100% profit generator for PSR it’s quite a conundrum. I like him and think if he stayed he’d be a star this season and help us get promoted so it’d be worth keeping him, but the potential loss if I’m wrong on that is considerable.

He wants to go. If we make him stay don't expect to see him busting a gut for us this season - he'll be going through the motions and doing as little as possible.

[bangkoksaint]

2 minutes ago, saintant said:

He wants to go. If we make him stay don't expect to see him busting a gut for us this season - he'll be going through the motions and doing as little as possible.

It was a bit like this since January!!

[Challenger]

Let him go on deadline day SR, then you won't have time to waste the money on       " squad fillers" .

[hypochondriac]

10 minutes ago, saintant said:

He wants to go. If we make him stay don't expect to see him busting a gut for us this season - he'll be going through the motions and doing as little as possible.

He can put a formal transfer request in can't he if you're so sure that's the case. 

[Saint Scott]

25 minutes ago, saintant said:

He wants to go. If we make him stay don't expect to see him busting a gut for us this season - he'll be going through the motions and doing as little as possible.

Cheer up Tyler, you're no Will Smallbone.

[saintant]

19 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

He can put a formal transfer request in can't he if you're so sure that's the case. 

If I'm so sure what is the case?

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, saintant said:

If I'm so sure what is the case?

That he wants to go to the degree that he will effectively down tools if he stays. 

[saintant]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

That he wants to go to the degree that he will effectively down tools if he stays. 

Have you been living on the moon - of course he wants to go 🙂

[egg]

31 minutes ago, bangkoksaint said:

It was a bit like this since January!!

Yep. He tailed off massively last season which makes me wonder how committed he'll be if he doesn't get a move this window. As talented as the kid is, if £40m + is on the table now, I'd take it and move on. 

Does anyone know if anything is due to Chelsea as some kind of sell on after he came back? 

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, Ivan Katalinic's 'tache said:

Hope this doesn’t jeopardise my chances of winning a signed Tyler Dibling shirt!

The agent is encouraging Tyler seemingly to hit the roof (boom boom).

[hypochondriac]

9 minutes ago, saintant said:

Have you been living on the moon - of course he wants to go 🙂

Being happy to go and actively trying to leave and being angry about staying are two different things. He will leave imo but if for some reason he doesn't it doesn't follow that he will simply sulk for months and not put in a shift. Plenty of examples of players who are seemingly off not going. 

Edited 4 hours ago by hypochondriac

[saintant]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Being happy to go and actively trying to leave and being angry about staying are two different things. He will leave imo but if for some reason he doesn't it doesn't fopw that he will simply suok for months and not put in a shift. Plenty of examples of players who are seemingly off not going. 

Well you have more confidence in the attitude he shows than I do. He strikes me as a lad who will spit the dummy if he thinks we are standing in the way of his move. I think he'll find it easy to coast through training and games.

[hypochondriac]

Just now, saintant said:

Well you have more confidence in the attitude he shows than I do. He strikes me as a lad who will spit the dummy if he thinks we are standing in the way of his move. I think he'll find it easy to coast through training and games.

Based on what? 

[saintant]

5 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Based on what? 

Well, I think he showed a lack of application last season after Russell Martin was sacked.

[hypochondriac]

Just now, saintant said:

Well, I think he showed a lack of application last season after Russell Martin was sacked.

That's just speculation. We have a kid who may have some additional needs or at the very least is quite a sensitive and shy individual moving from a good man manager in Martin to a completely different style under a bit of a hard ass, playing his first season in the premier league. Maybe he showed a lack of application but there's potentially an awful lot of other explanations for his tailing off of form. 

[Jimmy_D]

Just now, saintant said:

Well, I think he showed a lack of application last season after Russell Martin was sacked.

Most of our players didn’t put in anywhere near their best effort last season, not just a young player that’s just breaking through and is still developing his consistency.

[saintant]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

That's just speculation. We have a kid who may have some additional needs or at the very least is quite a sensitive and shy individual moving from a good man manager in Martin to a completely different style under a bit of a hard ass, playing his first season in the premier league. Maybe he showed a lack of application but there's potentially an awful lot of other explanations for his tailing off of form. 

It's my take on it and I respect you have a different view. No doubt we'll see how it pans out although I think it still very likely he'll leave..

[Convict Colony]

22 minutes ago, saintant said:

Have you been living on the moon - of course he wants to go 🙂

Wait this is an option ? would of sorted out a move ages ago

[Saint_lambden]

13 minutes ago, saintant said:

Well you have more confidence in the attitude he shows than I do. He strikes me as a lad who will spit the dummy if he thinks we are standing in the way of his move. I think he'll find it easy to coast through training and games.

Nonsense

[saintant]

1 minute ago, Jimmy_D said:

Most of our players didn’t put in anywhere near their best effort last season, not just a young player that’s just breaking through and is still developing his consistency.

You may be right although the youngster Fernandes never dropped his effort in any games - a good example for others to follow.

[saintant]

2 minutes ago, Saint_lambden said:

Nonsense

If he stays we'll see if it is nonsense.

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, Saint_lambden said:

Nonsense

Indeed. It's extrapolating a huge amount from a period of poor form after Martin left. There's no other evidence for any of it. 

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, saintant said:

If he stays we'll see if it is nonsense.

Ridiculous. Him being very likely to leave doesn't prove that he's what you claim him to be. 

[saintant]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

Ridiculous. Him being very likely to leave doesn't prove that he's what you claim him to be. 

Sorry, don't understand this comment, it seems contradictory.

[hypochondriac]

Just now, saintant said:

Sorry, don't understand this comment, it seems contradictory.

It's not you're just failing to understand. He will most likely leave. Him leaving doesn't confirm any wild speculation based on nothing about him not putting effort in were he to stay nor that he's agitating for a move and is considering going on strike/putting in a transfer request. If and when we get some solid evidence of any of that then that position may change. Until then you've seen a downturn in his performances since Martin left and created an entire scenario where he is spitting his dummy out and not putting in effort because he's that type of person. 

[saintant]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

It's not you're just failing to understand. He will most likely leave. Him leaving doesn't confirm any wild speculation based on nothing about him not putting effort in were he to stay nor that he's agitating for a move and is considering going on strike/putting in a transfer request. If and when we get some solid evidence of any of that then that position may change. Until then you've seen a downturn in his performances since Martin left and created an entire scenario where he is spitting his dummy out and not putting in effort because he's that type of person. 

You miss my point - I have no issue with him leaving and will wish him well. However, if he doesn't get a transfer and feels the club has stood in his way I think we might have problems with him this season. 

[hypochondriac]

12 minutes ago, saintant said:

You miss my point - I have no issue with him leaving and will wish him well. However, if he doesn't get a transfer and feels the club has stood in his way I think we might have problems with him this season. 

OK then I agree. We might have problems but then again we might not. The only evidence we have that there might be problems is the period of bad form after Martin and some highly dubious sources on social media about his agent. I think we can trust the club on this one that they can sell high and that they will have fully assessed the possibility of problems if they keep him. I consider it overwhelmingly likely that the club is fully aware of the situation and the player's desires and they will know if this is a negotiation tactic or if we are playing hardball in order to force him to stay unless a club meets our valuation. 

Edited 3 hours ago by hypochondriac

[saintant]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

OK then I agree. We might have problems but then again we might not. The only evidence we have that there might be problems is the period of bad form under Martin and some highly dubious sources on social media about his agent. I think we can trust the club on this one that they can sell high and that they will have fully assessed the possibility of problems if they keep him. I consider it overwhelmingly likely that the club is fully aware of the situation and the player's desires and they will know if this is a negotiation tactic or if we are playing hardball in order to force him to stay unless a club meets our valuation. 

Agree, perhaps the lad will get stuck into the new season and give it everything he's got if he's still with us. Two sides to every coin and I'm not trying to disrespect Tyler because I'm sure he'll deal with any potential disappointment in his own way.

[hypochondriac]

Just now, saintant said:

Agree, perhaps the lad will get stuck into the new season and give it everything he's got if he's still with us. Two sides to every coin and I'm not trying to disrespect Tyler because I'm sure he'll deal with any potential disappointment in his own way.

Good post. Like I said he's very likely to go anyway so I expect it's a bit irrelevant. 

[pimpin4rizeal]

1 hour ago, saintant said:

He wants to go. If we make him stay don't expect to see him busting a gut for us this season - he'll be going through the motions and doing as little as possible.

I disagree with this, if he has a poor season in the championship by going through the motions as you say who’s gonna want him then ?

We should remember this instead of not wanting disgruntled players . If he goes through the motions it’s his reputation that drops like a brick .. he will have no choice but to try his best just like schneiderlin did 

[ErwinK1961]

13 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

I disagree with this, if he has a poor season in the championship by going through the motions as you say who’s gonna want him then ?

We should remember this instead of not wanting disgruntled players . If he goes through the motions it’s his reputation that drops like a brick .. he will have no choice but to try his best just like schneiderlin did 

The lad is an extremely talented footballer. If he has an average / poor year it’s not going to put people off, as they will see extenuating circumstances as to why he had a poor season.

In fact, I’d say it would likely mean more teams are interested, as his value will have dropped significantly with his contract situation, so teams like Fulham/Palace/Brentford etc will be more likely to have a go at £15/20m as opposed to £50m

[IFHP]

We should bite Everton’s hands off -£40 million for an unproven premier league player. 

We need to get money in and the sooner we do the better. 

.

[Harry_SFC]

25 minutes ago, IFHP said:

We should bite Everton’s hands off -£40 million for an unproven premier league player. 

We need to get money in and the sooner we do the better. 

.

Tend to agree with this. £40m plus a 20% sell on clause would be a decent deal. What happens if it gets to deadline day and we end up selling him without a replacement? 

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

27 minutes ago, IFHP said:

We should bite Everton’s hands off -£40 million for an unproven premier league player. 

We need to get money in and the sooner we do the better. 

.

Totally agree. If Dewksbury-Hall is £28m, who frankly was the best player I saw the last time we were in the Championship and had a reasonable time at Spurs, then we should be biting Everton's arm off for their offer. And it's appreciated we're not comparing like with like, but £35m for Dibbers. C'mon Saints, sell the kid.

And what's weird is we're playing hardball with Dibling but do we have a lack of funds this year? Is that why we're not buying many players? Sell him and buy, Saints. You know it makes sense.

[Whitey Grandad]

3 hours ago, Oisin said:

I actually think it’s a fairly big decision for us as it’s quite a gamble.

In 12 months time:

If he stays and plays well, there will be a bidding war and we’d still get a decent chunk (though considerably less due to contract length). Loss of money for not much gain.

If he stays and plays well AND helps us to promotion it’s either ditto or he may sign a new contract. Possible Loss of money for very significant gain.

If he stays and does poorly, we could struggle to get much at all for him, whether we’re promoted or not, and might not want to keep him ourselves.  Loss of a lot of money for no gain.

Being a 100% profit generator for PSR it’s quite a conundrum. I like him and think if he stayed he’d be a star this season and help us get promoted so it’d be worth keeping him, but the potential loss if I’m wrong on that is considerable.

Let me put it this way. If he weren't already our player, would we buy him for £40m?