What Is Happening To Our Country?

[AlexLaw76]

[badgerx16]

Is this justified or an attack on free speech ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy2rxyvvl1o

"Two left-wing content creators have been blocked from entering the United Kingdom after they said the Home Office revoked their visas.

US citizens Hasan Piker, who is a Twitch streamer and political commentator and Cenk Uygur, who co-founded and hosts left-wing populist show "The Young Turks" on YouTube, were both due to speak at the SXSW London festival and an event in Oxford."

[egg]

19 hours ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

This one has me riled up. As an Indian Sikh, the Digwa guy has used his religion and race to try to cover up his actions. They were deplorable and condemned by the community.

The guy didn't use the ceremonial kirpan but another knife as a weapon. As a result a young adult has been murdered. 

Police should have listened to Nowak. 

 

That was a horrendous case, and the police were a disgrace. Life sentence, and 21 year minimum term though, so some kind of justice has been done. 

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

18 minutes ago, egg said:

That was a horrendous case, and the police were a disgrace. Life sentence, and 21 year minimum term though, so some kind of justice has been done. 

Yep, his brother and mother next to get banged up for trying to pervert justice. 

 

[LuckyNumber7]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

Is this justified or an attack on free speech ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy2rxyvvl1o

"Two left-wing content creators have been blocked from entering the United Kingdom after they said the Home Office revoked their visas.

US citizens Hasan Piker, who is a Twitch streamer and political commentator and Cenk Uygur, who co-founded and hosts left-wing populist show "The Young Turks" on YouTube, were both due to speak at the SXSW London festival and an event in Oxford."

Both grade A cunts, but don't agree with them being banned.

[whelk]

2 hours ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

Yep, his brother and mother next to get banged up for trying to pervert justice. 

 

Yes the bitch should get ten years. Hope her son tops himself inside as can’t cope with getting battered every day. Heartbreaking for the poor family

[Saint_clark]

22 hours ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

This one has me riled up. As an Indian Sikh, the Digwa guy has used his religion and race to try to cover up his actions. They were deplorable and condemned by the community.

The guy didn't use the ceremonial kirpan but another knife as a weapon. As a result a young adult has been murdered. 

Police should have listened to Nowak. 

 

The bodycam footage is so horrible to watch. You can hear the poor lads voice gurgling as he tries to ask for help whilst drowning in his own blood, and the officer literally responds with "I don't think you have mate" when he says that he's been stabbed. 

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

1 hour ago, Saint_clark said:

The bodycam footage is so horrible to watch. You can hear the poor lads voice gurgling as he tries to ask for help whilst drowning in his own blood, and the officer literally responds with "I don't think you have mate" when he says that he's been stabbed. 

Just watched it. Agree, the police should have realised Henry wasnt right just by his slurred speech and lack of movements. They haven't helped themselves here.

Digwa and family are deplorable. 

The knife used was also one that causes more of a puncture wound from what I've read and it led to internal bleeding. 

[The Wyvern]

5 hours ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

Yep, his brother and mother next to get banged up for trying to pervert justice. 

 

Do you know why his brother not getting done for perverting the course of justice? I can’t work that out. 

[Saint_clark]

6 hours ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

Just watched it. Agree, the police should have realised Henry wasnt right just by his slurred speech and lack of movements. They haven't helped themselves here.

Digwa and family are deplorable. 

The knife used was also one that causes more of a puncture wound from what I've read and it led to internal bleeding. 

It's interesting you mention that the knife used wasn't a ceremonial one, I didn't realise that at all. Think that needs to be made clearer in reporting.

[Osvaldorama]

If anyone needed proof of the two tier justice system, or the fact that our government actively hates us..

 

Look no further than the fact that the speaker of the house had to force the government to make a statement on Henry Nowak. 
 

Despicable. 

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

1 hour ago, Saint_clark said:

It's interesting you mention that the knife used wasn't a ceremonial one, I didn't realise that at all. Think that needs to be made clearer in reporting.

Well this the contentious part.

Traditionally fully baptised Sikhs will wear a Kirpan (knife) that is one to two inches long, sheathed and is blunted at the end. In a lot of cases the knife will bolted down in the cover.

Not every Sikh will carry one, the majority do not as we're not all baptised I.e. I cut my hair and love booze too much.

Also normally it is put of sight and underneath clothing. Some wear a smaller one on a necklace but within the Sikh community traditionalists do not believe that is correct (that's what I understand - I might be wrong).

However this guy was carrying two. The second, knife can be termed as ceremonial but ordinarily Sikhs would not be carrying one like that around. This was a long knife with a sharp point end, this was used as the weapon. It went into Henry and did not leave gash but more of a puncture would, leading to more internal bleeding than external. 

Hence why it wasnt obvious to the police. Here the police didnt do themselves any favours. From the video, you can see that they took Digwa's word AND did not take Henry's pleas seriously enough. 

Edited 7 hours ago by JohnnyShearer2.0

[AlexLaw76]

Just seen the body cam footage and it is fucking disgusting and disgraceful.

short version….

Police - you are under arrest

Victim - I cant breathe

Police - what’s up

Victim - I have been stabbed

police - I don’t think you have mate

Victim then dies

 

I guess Henry had the incorrect skin colour for our great and good to get worked up about this. I am sure we will see something like this any day now.

 

Edited 7 hours ago by AlexLaw76

[egg]

40 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Just seen the body cam footage and it is fucking disgusting and disgraceful.

short version….

Police - you are under arrest

Victim - I cant breathe

Police - what’s up

Victim - I have been stabbed

police - I don’t think you have mate

Victim then dies

 

I guess Henry had the incorrect skin colour for our great and good to get worked up about this. I am sure we will see something like this any day now.

 

Yep, terrible from the copper. As for the PM, take the knee for black lives, but stay silent about the murder of a white man at the hands of a Sikh for almost 6 months, and as Osvoldoramo says, only speaking out under pressure from the speaker.  Shameful. 

[benjii]

Police get paid peanuts and aren't properly resourced so it's no surprise when they turn out to be inept. Like any large organisation there are good ones and bad ones, but if you starve it, it will degenerate over time.

Aside from the police response, which was obviously atrocious, this feels like a very British story to me. Two lads out late at night. Some sort of scrap. One gets killed. Perhaps Digwa was too acclimatised. If he had been a bit more Sikh this might not have happened.

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

1 hour ago, egg said:

Yep, terrible from the copper. As for the PM, take the knee for black lives, but stay silent about the murder of a white man at the hands of a Sikh for almost 6 months, and as Osvoldoramo says, only speaking out under pressure from the speaker.  Shameful. 

Genuine question, can MPs / papers etc speak in a case whilst it is on-going? I didn't they could otherwise it may harm the judgement. 

Regardless, Starmer should have been on this asap. 

[AlexLaw76]

It is like the police had already decided he was in the wrong and is probably a racist. A bit of a stretch I know but it is fucking awful, and unsure how the coppers can live with themselves.

if this was a brown skinned man in Harry’s position, half of the county would be on fire right now.

”I don’t think you have mate” is such a disgusting thing to hear in this incident 

[Turkish]

6 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

It is like the police had already decided he was in the wrong and is probably a racist. A bit of a stretch I know but it is fucking awful, and unsure how the coppers can live with themselves.

if this was a brown skinned man in Harry’s position, half of the county would be on fire right now.

”I don’t think you have mate” is such a disgusting thing to hear in this incident 

it's horrendous and the more that comes out the worse it looks

You're right if he wasn't white there would be "largely peaceful" riots and protests in every town and city with massive ones planned for London and Starmer, as usual, comes out of this like a complete wet lettuce. Blokes an absolute disgrace

 

[The Wyvern]

2 hours ago, benjii said:

, this feels like a very British story to me. Two lads out late at night. Some sort of scrap. One gets killed. Perhaps Digwa was too acclimatised. If he had been a bit more Sikh this might not have happened.

Am I missing some sort of joke here?  "Some sort of scrap", "very British story", "too acclimatised"?   Probably the weirdest post I have ever read on here. 

[whelk]

I don’t see why people are attaching this to Starmer.  Plenty to be livid about but hardly on him

[The very right reverend]

May those officers carry that guilt until the end of their days, indoctrination has led to this that someone crying racist is automatically correct, even when someone has said they've been stabbed and are dying.

There are always weirdo's and crazies in all society and that has to be taken into account but there are a number of factors that have weren't addressed at the time.

Digwa was thrown out of a place of worship before all of this, why wasn't this followed up to the police and what was the offence?

Why didn't the police help and investigate immediately upon hearing the victim claiming to have been stabbed? The why is the most important aspect.

Religion and culture for too long has been allowed to plough and ride roughshod over liberal values and acceptance.

[egg]

36 minutes ago, whelk said:

I don’t see why people are attaching this to Starmer.  Plenty to be livid about but hardly on him

It's not on him, but having to be pressured by the speaker for government comment isn't good enough. 

[aintforever]

43 minutes ago, whelk said:

I don’t see why people are attaching this to Starmer.  Plenty to be livid about but hardly on him

This. The poor lads death is a result of a psychopathic scumbag and bad policing from the officers involved. If any of the officers are still on the force it's a disgrace. 

[Osvaldorama]

2 hours ago, whelk said:

I don’t see why people are attaching this to Starmer.  Plenty to be livid about but hardly on him

Because this is exactly what his virtue signalling leads to. 
 

The woke liberal champagne socialist ideology is directly responsible for this. 

Too soft on crime. Too quick to punish innocent tax payers. All goes hand in hand. Starmer is the worst PM in history. 

[aintforever]

3 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

Because this is exactly what his virtue signalling leads to. 
 

The woke liberal champagne socialist ideology is directly responsible for this. 

Too soft on crime. Too quick to punish innocent tax payers. All goes hand in hand. Starmer is the worst PM in history. 

What a load of bollocks. It is just a case of bad policing. 

Whatever went on prior to them arriving, regardless of who attacked who, whether someone was racist or not - they should have listened to the lad and spotted he had been stabbed. It's fuck all to do with being woke, it's about having police officers fit for purpose.

[whelk]

8 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

Because this is exactly what his virtue signalling leads to. 
 

The woke liberal champagne socialist ideology is directly responsible for this. 

Too soft on crime. Too quick to punish innocent tax payers. All goes hand in hand. Starmer is the worst PM in history. 

Oh the worst is he? Get a grip you fucking melt. I get you need a bogey man but you come across a a bit dopey who doesn’t really grasp things

[AlexLaw76]

7 minutes ago, aintforever said:

What a load of bollocks. It is just a case of bad policing. 

Whatever went on prior to them arriving, regardless of who attacked who, whether someone was racist or not - they should have listened to the lad and spotted he had been stabbed. It's fuck all to do with being woke, it's about having police officers fit for purpose.

I suspect had Henry been a brown skinned lad, they would have believed him. Much like the belief if George Floyd had been white, they may have been less heavy handed

 

Edited 8 minutes ago by AlexLaw76

[Osvaldorama]

Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

I suspect had Henry been a brown skinned lad, they would have believed him. Much like the belief of George Floyd had been white, they may have been less heavy handed

 

Exactly. Our institutions have become racist.
 

Just not in the way most people think. Sad to see. 

[Osvaldorama]

6 minutes ago, whelk said:

Oh the worst is he? Get a grip you fucking melt. I get you need a bogey man but you come across a a bit dopey who doesn’t really grasp things

He is. 
 

His handling of Southport and now this makes him the worst PM in history. He actively hates his own citizens. He’s a traitor and a disgrace to the country. 
 

You can throw insults at me if you like. Doesn’t mean I’m wrong. 

Edited 6 minutes ago by Osvaldorama

[tdmickey3]

8 minutes ago, whelk said:

Oh the worst is he? Get a grip you fucking melt. I get you need a bogey man but you come across a a bit dopey who doesn’t really grasp things

No point in trying to reason with someone who wants to vote for Lowe, the grossly thick don't understand reasoning.

Saying he hates his own citizens just underlines it.

2 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

He is. 
 

His handling of Southport and now this makes him the worst PM in history. He actively hates his own citizens. He’s a traitor and a disgrace to the country. 
 

You can throw insults at me if you like. Doesn’t mean I’m wrong. 

You are just another stupid TicTok lunatic