The 2024 General Election - July 4th

[Fan The Flames]

On 25/04/2024 at 08:41, sadoldgit said:

This is the deputy leader of the party looking to replace the Tories in this country. There are people in this country who will agree with him.

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/24/dont-rescue-people-who-scupper-their-channel-boats-says-reform-uk-deputy

More nonsense too from someone who was CotE. Cuts of £100m a year but it is the council’s fault they ended up bankrupt 🤔

https://edge.media/pm-says-council-bankrupted-itself-amid-100-million-cuts/

Anyone out there still want to vote for these clowns?

Sunak focuses on a Labour council ignoring the Tory councils that have also gone bust.

[rallyboy]

56 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

Sunak focuses on a Labour council ignoring the Tory councils that have also gone bust.

He's still targeting votes from the ill-informed and disinterested, his people - they see a headline, they believe it.

Hopefully most of them stay away from Polling Stations this time rather than casually scribbling a hand grenade in the little box and damaging everyone.

[trousers]

1 hour ago, Fan The Flames said:

Sunak focuses on a Labour council ignoring the Tory councils that have also gone bust.

Fancy that... A politician that highlights the things that back up their stance and keeps shtum on things that don't... Heavens; we'll have politicians writing suggestions on the side of a bus before you know it.... 

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, Fan The Flames said:

Sunak focuses on a Labour council ignoring the Tory councils that have also gone bust.

In the same way Labour focus on English NHS whilst ignoring Welsh one? 

[Tamesaint]

13 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

In the same way Labour focus on English NHS whilst ignoring Welsh one? 

Its not surprising that health services in Wales struggle. Have you ever seen the number of overweight "Taffies"?

Its not like you to miss an opportunity for casual racism. 😁😁

[sadoldgit]

No mention of Chris Philp’s car crash performance on QT on Thursday night by the right leaning media. You can bet your mortgage had that been a Labour MP we wouldn’t hear the end of it. 
Huge respect to Victor Adebowale who, on the same programme and with his quiet humanity, showed Philp, Charles Moore and the current right wing rhetoric up for what it is.

Talking of double standards it reminded me of the time, 7 years ago, that Dianne Abbot stumbled over some policing figures in an interview and has never been allowed to forget it. Contrast this with the car crash interview that Laura Trott (Chief Secretary of the Treasury)  gave back in February when she insisted that debt was falling as a proportion of GDP when the opposite was true. She actually gave the impression that she didn’t understand the basics of her job but anything from the right leaning media? Nope, not a peep. Will people remember her even bigger gaff in 7 years time? Not likely given the lack of exposure her gaff was given over that of Abbot’s.

NHS Wales…where do they get their funding from Ducky?

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[Tamesaint]

1 minute ago, sadoldgit said:

No mention of Chris Philp’s car crash performance on QT on Thursday night by the right leaning media. You can bet your mortgage had that been a Labour MP we wouldn’t hear the end of it..... from Batman. 

Amended for you. 

[Fan The Flames]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

In the same way Labour focus on English NHS whilst ignoring Welsh one? 

Councils going bust up and down the country, NHS systems struggling in the four countries are both symptoms of the same poor Tory government.

[badgerx16]

Tory MP, and doctor, Daniel Poulter defects to Labour

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68913287

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[Gloucester Saint]

Certainly not holding back, but then he has speaking up on these issues for years https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/27/top-tory-mp-defects-to-labour-in-fury-at-nhs-crisis

All the post-2016 infiltrated Tory Party cares about is culture wars in a lame attempt to distract from the disaster their economic policies eg Truss and the laughable Laffer Curve crap and including but far from exclusively Brexit has been. 

Unless you used to vote UKIP or BNP there’s not much there for you as a voter, and Reform is probably the alternative some will pick if you want a full fat option of the populist strand. 

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[The Kraken]

23 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

No mention of Chris Philp’s car crash performance on QT on Thursday night by the right leaning media. You can bet your mortgage had that been a Labour MP we wouldn’t hear the end of it. 

Might need to go to specsavers.  It was front and centre on the BBC website pretty much as soon as it happened. It’s still on the bbc main page.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68903573

Hers the daily Heil’s take on it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13351441/Unbelievable-moment-policing-minister-Chris-Philp-leaves-Question-Time-audience-gasping-asks-Rwanda-Congo-different-countries-Senior-Torys-howler-hes-asked-deporting-migrants-African-warzones.html#:~:text=A Conservative minister has faced,about the controversial Rwanda bill.
 

The Torygraph

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/chris-philp/

The Times

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/chris-philp-are-rwanda-and-congo-different-countries-0f0gbxf5f

even the sodding Spectator carried the story

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/watch-minister-asks-if-rwanda-and-congo-are-different-countries/

Conclusion. Sadoldliar found to be fibbing again shocker.

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[Gloucester Saint]

Chris Philip’s name also popping up here although no longer a member of some of these racist groups https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/27/tory-staff-running-network-of-anti-ulez-facebook-groups-riddled-with-racism-and-abuse

They have some huge problems. More garbage this morning in the wake of Dr Poulter’s defection about a leadership challenge to Sunak if the local elections yield the expected 400-500 council seats lost. With the hope of persuading him to go apparently rather than actually winning apparently. July GE talk again in response - do it!

Private Eye reporting that Steve Watson, Chief Constable at GMP looking into Rayner housing allegations spoke at the right wing Freedom Association session of the Tory conference (Campbell Bannerman Chaired it FFS). So no prospect of any prosecution when there’s clear political bias. It’s already backfiring on them in the wider media and public before this.

[The Kraken]

4 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Private Eye reporting that Steve Watson, Chief Constable at GMP looking into Rayner housing allegations spoke at the right wing Freedom Association session of the Tory conference (Campbell Bannerman Chaired it FFS). So no prospect of any prosecution when there’s clear political bias. It’s already backfiring on them in the wider media and public before this.

When even the shitrag that is the Daily Express are reporting that big Ange likely doesn’t owe any CGT, you know this smear has basically run its course.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1892483/angela-rayner-council-house-tax-renovations

Ange 😍

[sadoldgit]

I’m sure the dozen or so detectives who are investigating these alleged crimes with great diligence  will get to the bottom of whatever it is they need to get to the bottom of. 
It’s just a shame that the police haven’t employed the same level of focus on the murder of Stephen Lawrence.

Strange priorities from the party of “law and order.”

 

[Lord Duckhunter]

On 27/04/2024 at 10:21, sadoldgit said:

No mention of Chris Philp’s car crash performance on QT on Thursday night by the right leaning media.

You’re so full of shit.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13351441/Unbelievable-moment-policing-minister-Chris-Philp-leaves-Question-Time-audience-gasping-asks-Rwanda-Congo-different-countries-Senior-Torys-howler-hes-asked-deporting-migrants-African-warzones.html

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1892550/bbc-question-time-chris-philp-rwanda-congo

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/26/chris-philp-question-time-rwanda-congo-different-country/

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/watch-minister-asks-if-rwanda-and-congo-are-different-countries/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Lord Duckhunter]

7 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

It’s just a shame that the police haven’t employed the same level of focus on the murder of Stephen Lawrence.

Strange priorities from the party of “law and order.”

You do release the police & the Tory  party are different don’t you? 

[whelk]

1 hour ago, The Kraken said:

When even the shitrag that is the Daily Express are reporting that big Ange likely doesn’t owe any CGT, you know this smear has basically run its course.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1892483/angela-rayner-council-house-tax-renovations

Ange 😍

Been saying for a while these Tory comms people seriously underestimate the public in not seeing through them. They think Cummings’s repeat slogan and smear will work endlessly after his Brexit success.  I doubt there is anyone other than Tory activists that have the slightest interest in the Rayner ‘story’ and backfires with most, highlighting their desperation.

 

[badgerx16]

Great news, a failed asylum seeker has been flown to Rwanda.

Admittedly, once he had been given £3000 he went voluntarily, and according to the wording of the BBC report he has been "'returned" there.

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[rallyboy]

Guy who wants to go to Rwanda gets free flight and spending money - that'll smash the gangs, stop the boats etc.

 

 

[sadoldgit]

56 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

Guy who wants to go to Rwanda gets free flight and spending money - that'll smash the gangs, stop the boats etc.

 

 

Kemi Badenoch goes on the radio today to tell us that this is proof that  Rwanda is a “safe place.” 
 

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[Jeremy Corbyn]

2 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Great news, a failed asylum seeker has been flown to Rwanda.

Admittedly, once he had been given £3000 he went voluntarily, and according to the wording of the BBC report he has been "'returned" there.

This is why the Tories should have called an election already, the longer they wait the more ridiculous the Rwanda stuff gets shown to be.  If they'd got to the electorate the first time it got rejected then people would have been more ignorant.

Paying a failed asylum seeker £3,000 during a cost of living crisis is a terrible, terrible look politically.

[ecuk268]

5 minutes ago, Jeremy Corbyn said:

This is why the Tories should have called an election already, the longer they wait the more ridiculous the Rwanda stuff gets shown to be.  If they'd got to the electorate the first time it got rejected then people would have been more ignorant.

Paying a failed asylum seeker £3,000 during a cost of living crisis is a terrible, terrible look politically.

The most generous estimate for each Rwanda deportee is around £150000. 

Then there is the £490 million that we'll be paying over the next 3 years. 

You can see why Rishi thought that it was bad idea when he was Chancellor.

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

Kemi Badenoch goes on the radio today to tell us that this is proof that  Rwanda is a “safe place.” 
 

It may well be compared to Yemen or South Sudan. ( And if you ignore the ongoing border conflict with DRC ).

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[LeBizzier69]

PMQs are no real measure of a leader.....but Starmer is utter dog turd for someone with his background.

[Lord Duckhunter]

12 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

It may well be compared to Yemen or South Sudan.

Or France. That must be pretty rough as so many risk their lives escaping it. 

[badgerx16]

11 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Or France. That must be pretty rough as so many risk their lives escaping it. 

Garlic and snails. Nuff said.

[moorw003]

Last May I stood for a District Council as a paper candidate in a not-target seat for the Lib Dems (the only opposition in the area). I got a call halfway through the count the following day to come quickly as I was going to win. Sheer incompetence from the Tories to lose to a non campaigning nobody like myself, but also a sign that people have had enough.

The polls are interesting, because to me they show people will side with Labour because they are the only other option, but as I found, people will vote for anything that isn't Tory. I wonder about the tactical voting element this time around.

Having spoken to a lot of Tory councillors in the last year, what is clear is most wanted a general election on May 2nd. The reason being, turnout will be higher and a lot of stay away Tories angry with the party will likely still come out on that day. Even if they vote Reform in protest, they'll still likely vote Conservative locally where Reform rarely field candidates.

Then you have the election campaign which will move the needle. The Tories have a bottomless pit of money, and their campaigning will move the dial. Again, that helps with locals.

If there was an election tomorrow, I'm sure the Tories would lose local seats. Not having one tomorrow is going to cost them a lot more.

 

Edited May 1 by moorw003

[sadoldgit]

43 minutes ago, LeBizzier69 said:

PMQs are no real measure of a leader.....but Starmer is utter dog turd for someone with his background.

It is a pointless exercise as the PM never answers the questions from the LOTO anyway. It would make a pleasant change if the Speaker started to press the PM to actually give a proper answer to Starmer’s questions. Sunak won’t of course because if he did answer honestly he would look even more pathetic.

Meanwhile Badenoch is making herself look a right chump, I suppose it is all a part of her leadership bid.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13370317/amp/Kemi-Badenoch-historians-exaggerate-importance-slavery-colonialism-Britain-growth-world-power.html

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[badgerx16]

37 minutes ago, LeBizzier69 said:

PMQs are no real measure of a leader.....but Starmer is utter dog turd for someone with his background.

PMQs are scripted pantomime, and probably the worst advert for the HoC you could come up with. Nothing more than two groups of adolescent school kids shouting 'Your mum..." at each other, with the playground teacher having given up trying to keep control.

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[LeBizzier69]

2 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

It is a pointless exercise as the PM never answers the questions from the LOTO anyway. It would make a pleasant change if the Speaker started to press the PM to actually give a proper answer to Starmer’s questions. Sunak won’t of course because if he did answer honestly he would look even more pathetic.

I don't know, Starmer can't answer a question to save his life either - you can't press any of them on matters and get a decent answer. We need a change, but as per the US presidential race, it's a case of the best of a god awful bunch.

[LeBizzier69]

1 minute ago, badgerx16 said:

PMQs are scripted pantomime, and probably the worst advert for the HoC you could come up with.

Of course they are - which makes it even worse if you can't deliver a line in a semi-compelling manner.

[Gloucester Saint]

11 minutes ago, LeBizzier69 said:

I don't know, Starmer can't answer a question to save his life either - you can't press any of them on matters and get a decent answer. We need a change, but as per the US presidential race, it's a case of the best of a god awful bunch.

If your benchmark is Blair, Hague, Thatcher, Robin Cook when deputising, John Smith, Denis Healey, and John Major was also good at the dispatch box, then Starmer isn’t much cop there and neither is Sunak.

Boris and Corbyn were appalling at it, the former getting humiliated cross-party and by his predecessor Teresa May (correctly) over party-gate. 

If you want to see a demolition job with a bit of theatre, watch this by Rayner on Dowden, a counter attack he didn’t see coming and as many Tory MPs as Labour enjoyed it. PMQs is not the place for detailed policy answers, never has been, that’s what green and white papers are for. It’s just a high profile mechanism when either a policy goes wrong or is likely to (Rwanda, or queries on Iraq War) or there’s a suspicion a Minister is trying to mislead (Boris, Braverman).

As Badger identifies, it’s 30 minutes of Punch and Judy for the cameras and tea time news. It rarely features unless the shit is hitting the fan somewhere. If you want change but not sure about Starmer et al, contingent on where you live, try Lib Dem’s or Reform, according to whether you are more naturally left/right of centre. Or do what I did in 2019 and abstain as there was no Green candidate and a choice of Boris, Corbyn and Swinson made me feel physically sick.

 

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[whelk]

18 minutes ago, LeBizzier69 said:

I don't know, Starmer can't answer a question to save his life either - you can't press any of them on matters and get a decent answer. We need a change, but as per the US presidential race, it's a case of the best of a god awful bunch.

Don’t know what you watch but Starmer hammers Sunak every time at PMQs. And yes his background means he is good at it. Actually not a huge fan of Starmer but PMQs is where he best performs IMO

[LeBizzier69]

Just now, whelk said:

Don’t know what you watch but Starmer hammers Sunak every time at PMQs. And yes his background means he is good at it. Actually not a huge fan of Starmer but PMQs is where he best performs IMO

Not sure what you watch either to think that.....each to their own.

[whelk]

21 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

PMQs are scripted pantomime, and probably the worst advert for the HoC you could come up with. Nothing more than two groups of adolescent school kids shouting 'Your mum..." at each other, with the playground teacher having given up trying to keep control.

Agree but is actually a way of holding PM to scrutiny and at least provides some footage for electorate to see

[The Kraken]

11 minutes ago, whelk said:

Don’t know what you watch but Starmer hammers Sunak every time at PMQs. And yes his background means he is good at it. Actually not a huge fan of Starmer but PMQs is where he best performs IMO

Yep. He also absolutely crucified Johnson by constantly laying a series of traps that the lieing fat oaf just kept walking into. It was courtroom stuff.

[Fan The Flames]

1 hour ago, LeBizzier69 said:

I don't know, Starmer can't answer a question to save his life either - you can't press any of them on matters and get a decent answer. We need a change, but as per the US presidential race, it's a case of the best of a god awful bunch.

It's PM Questions, the LotO doesn't answer questions he asks them.

[LeBizzier69]

31 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

It's PM Questions, the LotO doesn't answer questions he asks them.

I’m talking generally. Like, what a woman is for example.

 

[LeBizzier69]

1 hour ago, The Kraken said:

Yep. He also absolutely crucified Johnson by constantly laying a series of traps that the lieing fat oaf just kept walking into. It was courtroom stuff.

Let’s face it, it’s far easier for the question asker to look half decent than the answerer. 
 

[The Kraken]

13 minutes ago, LeBizzier69 said:

I’m talking generally. Like, what a woman is for example.

 

Fairly cut and dry.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/keir-starmer-labour-woman-anneliese-dodds-b2382675.html

[LeBizzier69]

5 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Fairly cut and dry.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/keir-starmer-labour-woman-anneliese-dodds-b2382675.html

Surely he’s flip flopped since then? 

[badgerx16]

34 minutes ago, LeBizzier69 said:

Surely he’s flip flopped since then? 

He was quite clear in making the same point yesterday.

[LeBizzier69]

37 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

He was quite clear in making the same point yesterday.

I’m sure women everywhere are breathing a massive sigh of relief. Hard to believe it’s even a point up for discussion.
 

[whelk]

17 minutes ago, LeBizzier69 said:

I’m sure women everywhere are breathing a massive sigh of relief. Hard to believe it’s even a point up for discussion.
 

To me it is fanny and tits

[buctootim]

2 hours ago, LeBizzier69 said:

Surely he’s flip flopped since then? 

Interesting how many people pick up the Mail's dog whistles. 

[LeBizzier69]

26 minutes ago, buctootim said:

Interesting how many people pick up the Mail's dog whistles. 

Another dog whistle here too

 

 

[sadoldgit]

44 minutes ago, buctootim said:

Interesting how many people pick up the Mail's dog whistles. 

It’s amazing how easy it is to use these distraction techniques to take attention away from things like the cost of living crisis and the state of the NHS. You expect it from the Mail, Express and Sun but it sad to see a once respected organisation like the Telegraph sinking that low too.

[LeBizzier69]

22 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

It’s amazing how easy it is to use these distraction techniques to take attention away from things like the cost of living crisis and the state of the NHS. You expect it from the Mail, Express and Sun but it sad to see a once respected organisation like the Telegraph sinking that low too.

I think most women would argue that this is relatively important too?

That clip is a few years old but he’s flip….sorry…changed his mind since then.

[Gloucester Saint]

22 minutes ago, LeBizzier69 said:

I think most women would argue that this is relatively important too?

That clip is a few years old but he’s flip….sorry…changed his mind since then.

Most really don’t I’m afraid. JK Rowling does but that was more in response to testing the ill-fated and ill-designed new speech laws in Scotland. There’s the Kathleen Stock case at Sussex Uni but that’s about it. Outside of a few cultural warriors in the Tory Party who listen to too many Steve Bannon speeches and are obsessed with American Politics/Trump and the Daily Mail, it barely registers.

Maybe it does if you’re transgender, a family member is, or you work in elite women’s sport but otherwise, it’s really not an important everyday issue for 99.9% of the public. If CCHQ thinks it is, it needs to sack its researchers.

Top 6 issues featuring consistently and overwhelmingly in You Gov polls:

- NHS

- Cost of Living

- Housing

- Climate Change

- Crime

- Asylum and immigration

I can see defence joining those with the threat from Putin, China and Iran maybe nearer the GE date.

 

[Lord Duckhunter]

40 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

 Outside of a few cultural warriors in the Tory Party who listen to too many Steve Bannon speeches and are obsessed with American Politics/Trump and the Daily Mail, it barely registers.

Rosie Duffield seemed pretty bothered about it , as did the MP’s & party bosses she accused of bulling.