hypochondriac Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 1 hour ago, egg said: In summary: You: 'They're Islamist nutters' You: They kill gay people in accordance with their interpretation of Islam. You: Cos of that they want to destroy Israel, and as a consequence see the destruction of their country and people. Me: You're absolutely bonkers, and clearly don't have much time for Islam or Islamists. Correct. No sane person would have time for Islamists and they absolutely are Islamist nutters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 1 hour ago, egg said: I don't have much time for any organised religion Whelk, and as much as I don't like the Iranian (and Saudi, etc) interpretation and enforcement of it, it doesn't lead me to conclude that they're 'islamist nutters' (blatantly islamaphobic comment btw - I suspect describing the Israeli's as 'jewish nutters' may raise an eyebrow) likely to nuke another state and cause their own destruction. Their religious leader has authority over the person supposedly running the country ffs. They are the definition of nutters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 (edited) 1 hour ago, egg said: That's a more sensible and credible explanation Del than some of that above, but martyrdom of the whole country and it's people would be the impact of a nuclear attack by Iran on Israel. Lighthouse's opinion that the Iranian interpretation and enforcement of sharia on the ground is evidence that they'd risk their entire nation to destroy Israel is one that I find ridiculous. Iran, like anyone else with a nuke, want a nuclear deterrent. That works - nobody will now attack North Korea, and the west back off from Russia . Iran are plainly a future Iraq/Afghanistan, but with a nuke, they have guaranteed safety albeit with a lifetime of sanctions for not doing as they're told. It wouldn’t be the whole country though it’d be a few lunatics in a position of power who enforce laws which enable them to think by pushing the button to kill unbelievers and themselves they’re going to be rewarded by dying as a hero. The reality is it’s highly unlikely but it’s far from being absolutely bonkers to suggest it’s possible Edited March 9 by Turkish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 1 hour ago, Turkish said: It wouldn’t be the whole country though it’d be a few lunatics in a position of power who enforce laws which enable them to think by pushing the button to kill unbelievers and themselves they’re going to be rewarded by dying as a hero. The reality is it’s highly unlikely but it’s far from being absolutely bonkers to suggest it’s possible Where they get to live for eternity surrounded by virgins!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 2 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: Where they get to live for eternity surrounded by virgins!!! Save that image, it might be needed for the match thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 At a time when the IDF are under close scrutiny about their actions in Gaza. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68513408.amp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 I don’t get why they don’t just handcuff the ones with ‘terrorist’ tattooed on their foreheads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 A 12 year old Palestinian boy in East Jerusalem was shot dead whilst playing with a firework with his brother and some friends. The Policeman who killed him has been praised as a hero, the boy has been labelled a terrorist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted March 13 Author Share Posted March 13 41 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: A 12 year old Palestinian boy in East Jerusalem was shot dead whilst playing with a firework with his brother and some friends. The Policeman who killed him has been praised as a hero, the boy has been labelled a terrorist. It's been happening for years mate. Shooting kids dead, or disabling them with dum dum bullets, happens most days in the west bank. Overnight they also ploughed up the roads in a refugee camp, burst the water mains, knocked over electricity poles, and destroyed homes. Not collective punishment of course. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 A lot of us have said these marches won’t make a blind bit Of difference to the Palestinian cause, they won’t help them achieve victory. Now we know why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Allah has always been a numbers man 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 10 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said: A lot of us have said these marches won’t make a blind bit Of difference to the Palestinian cause, they won’t help them achieve victory. Now we know why. Maybe it is because there aren't enough LGBTQetc marchers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 10 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said: A lot of us have said these marches won’t make a blind bit Of difference to the Palestinian cause, they won’t help them achieve victory. Now we know why. Who's' gonna tell um? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Hang on, I didn't think Hamas were in hospitals? https://news.sky.com/story/israel-gaza-hamas-latest-middle-east-live-updates-sky-news-blog-12978800 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 A chilling read if you are Palestinian. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68650815.amp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 33 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: A chilling read if you are Palestinian. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68650815.amp We could always offer paid flights to Rwanda to help the displaced people. ( #tongueincheek ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 (edited) The IDF appear to have blown up and killed 7 foreign aid workers travelling in a clearly marked vehicle in a "de-conflicted" area, who were leaving an aid warehouse on a route agreed with the Israelis. Edited April 2 by badgerx16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 2 hours ago, badgerx16 said: The IDF appear to have blown up and killed 7 foreign aid workers travelling in a clearly marked vehicle in a "de-conflicted" area, who were leaving an aid warehouse on a route agreed with the Israelis. Sadly yet another in a very long line of “collateral damage” reports. It started on 7th October when the IDF indiscriminately fired on their own as well as Hamas. Nearly 100 journalists have been killed along with the tens of thousands of innocent civilians locked in Gaza. Still no end in sight of this daily massacre by a gung-ho military led by a government intent of the ethic cleansing of Gaza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 11 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: Sadly yet another in a very long line of “collateral damage” reports. It started on 7th October when the IDF indiscriminately fired on their own as well as Hamas. Nearly 100 journalists have been killed along with the tens of thousands of innocent civilians locked in Gaza. Still no end in sight of this daily massacre by a gung-ho military led by a government intent of the ethic cleansing of Gaza. Hamas will no doubt want to avoid further civilian casualties like this and so drive out into the desert for one glorious final battle, away from built up areas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 3 hours ago, badgerx16 said: The IDF appear to have blown up and killed 7 foreign aid workers travelling in a clearly marked vehicle in a "de-conflicted" area, who were leaving an aid warehouse on a route agreed with the Israelis. An Australian, a Brit and a Pole already announced as amongst the dead. Those Israelis really know how to piss off the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 2 hours ago, Lighthouse said: Hamas will no doubt want to avoid further civilian casualties like this and so drive out into the desert for one glorious final battle, away from built up areas. Let’s just hope that aid workers, medics and journalists make sure that they are wearing clothing that identifies who they are because we wouldn’t want them to be accidentally shot would we? Oh wait. Or waving white flags and calling out that they are Israeli hostages. Netanyahu himself has said that they are going out of their way to minimise civilian casualties. Tell that to the 30,000 + already murdered. Whoops. Accidents happen. As for wide open spaces, the way they are levelling Gaza it will soon be a wide open space so they will get their wish. Your comment makes you sound like Duckhunter. Well done. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 Looking at the BBC reporting it seems there were 3 separate vehicles hit along a 1 1/2 mile stretch of road. Hardly one single incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted April 2 Author Share Posted April 2 3 hours ago, sadoldgit said: Let’s just hope that aid workers, medics and journalists make sure that they are wearing clothing that identifies who they are because we wouldn’t want them to be accidentally shot would we? Oh wait. Or waving white flags and calling out that they are Israeli hostages. Netanyahu himself has said that they are going out of their way to minimise civilian casualties. Tell that to the 30,000 + already murdered. Whoops. Accidents happen. As for wide open spaces, the way they are levelling Gaza it will soon be a wide open space so they will get their wish. Your comment makes you sound like Duckhunter. Well done. Yep. Pretty crass comment from him, but sadly there are still some who believe that this is a fight between Israel and Hamas, not an attack on Gaza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inspectorfrost Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 (edited) On 09/03/2024 at 11:44, hypochondriac said: This is actually the whole point. All these people talk about how outrageous the Israeli actions are, the whole point is in an alternate reality where they had acted exactly as their detractors would have wanted them to, Hamas woukd have seized any opportunity they could get to do it again and worse if they got the opportunity. Let's not forget also that these people were voted for by the population of Gaza. They wouldn't see so called Israeli tolerance in this situation as something to be grateful for, they'd view it as a weakness that they can exploit to cause more death and destruction. A lot of these people have also had Israelis kick them and their families/neighbours out of their homes and bulldoze them to the ground, will full support from the Israeli government/military. What would you have done? Israel have spent years employing the tactic of gradual incursion, and Hamas' countered with an attack of which the whole aim is escalation and destabilising the entire region. Of course Israel needed to respond to the October attacks, but doing the same thing that has failed time and time again isn't likely to solve it. What Netanyahu's currently doing is what created Hamas in the first place. It's one reason why thousands of Israelis are currently protesting in Israel calling for Netanyahu's head. They'll get rid of Hamas and create something worse in the process. Edited April 2 by inspectorfrost 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 More media suppression by the Israeli government . https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/01/al-jazeera-faces-security-threat-ban-after-israel-passes-new-law-benjamin-netanyahu It’s a shame that it has taken the death of 3 British aid workers for the Daily Mail and the British government to be outraged given that we are well over the figure of 30,000 dead Palestinians. Perhaps the West will stop supplying Netanyahu with arms now that it is crystal clear that the IDF aren’t fussed about who they use them on? Not that they have been particularly bothered since 7th October. For those who continue to excuse the actions of the IDF, perhaps you should just fess up and admit that the lives of innocent Palestinians are worth less than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 4 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: More media suppression by the Israeli government . https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/01/al-jazeera-faces-security-threat-ban-after-israel-passes-new-law-benjamin-netanyahu It’s a shame that it has taken the death of 3 British aid workers for the Daily Mail and the British government to be outraged given that we are well over the figure of 30,000 dead Palestinians. Perhaps the West will stop supplying Netanyahu with arms now that it is crystal clear that the IDF aren’t fussed about who they use them on? Not that they have been particularly bothered since 7th October. For those who continue to excuse the actions of the IDF, perhaps you should just fess up and admit that the lives of innocent Palestinians are worth less than others. Can I ask a question. Why are you (and countless others) so fixated on this part of the world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 12 hours ago, inspectorfrost said: What Netanyahu's currently doing is what created Hamas in the first place. Is your assumption that all Palestinians were peaceful and happy to live side by side the Israelis prior to Netanyahu or the creation of Hamas? There is a reason that Israel react the way they do which seems conveniently ignored. If only they weren’t bombing Gaza, Hezbollah would be laying down their weapons right? Too many have such a simplistic sixth form hippy view of the world. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 21 hours ago, sadoldgit said: Let’s just hope that aid workers, medics and journalists make sure that they are wearing clothing that identifies who they are because we wouldn’t want them to be accidentally shot would we? Oh wait. Or waving white flags and calling out that they are Israeli hostages. Netanyahu himself has said that they are going out of their way to minimise civilian casualties. Tell that to the 30,000 + already murdered. Whoops. Accidents happen. As for wide open spaces, the way they are levelling Gaza it will soon be a wide open space so they will get their wish. Your comment makes you sound like Duckhunter. Well done. That’s a very angry reaction to the suggestion that perhaps Hamas might also be able to do something to reduce the civilian casualties you’re so concerned about. 13 hours ago, inspectorfrost said: They'll get rid of Hamas and create something worse in the process. What’s worse than wanting death for every Jewish man, woman and child living in any sort of Jewish state in that region? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said: Can I ask a question. Why are you (and countless others) so fixated on this part of the world? I don't like people's rights being denied anywhere but the Palestinian thing particularly grates with me because of the UK's history with the creation of Israel and our government's support for the country. My grandad and great uncle both served in the region during and after WW2. When Israel commit an atrocity many in the muslim world see it as us (the west) as responsible. We like to see ourselves as people who stand up fro human rights and there is an obvious hypocrisy there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said: Can I ask a question. Why are you (and countless others) so fixated on this part of the world? Can I ask a question - why do you appear to not give a shit ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 43 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: That’s a very angry reaction to the suggestion that perhaps Hamas might also be able to do something to reduce the civilian casualties you’re so concerned about. What exactly can Hamas do to prevent the IDF deliberately targeting aid workers? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 https://www.timesofisrael.com/thousands-of-right-wing-activists-are-preparing-to-resettle-gaza-after-the-war/ And so the cycle continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said: What exactly can Hamas do to prevent the IDF deliberately targeting aid workers? release the hostages?? I was not aware the IDF deliberately targeted aid workers??? Edited April 3 by AlexLaw76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 3 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said: What exactly can Hamas do to prevent the IDF deliberately targeting aid workers? The information flow straight after an incident is normally telling before the perpetrators have time to button down the narrative. It was stated early yesterday that the IDF attacked the convoy because they believed that it was carrying a Hamas target. And that the IDF 'mistake' was not bombing the convoy but wrongly believing that it contained the Hamas target. If This is true then this wasn't the fog of war stuff, the aid workers were planned collateral damage, or in real terms murdered because they were either in the way or seen as helping Hamas. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 4 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: I was not aware the IDF deliberately targeted aid workers??? Well they do, and journalists, and children, etc, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 minute ago, Fan The Flames said: The information flow straight after an incident is normally telling before the perpetrators have time to button down the narrative. It was stated early yesterday that the IDF attacked the convoy because they believed that it was carrying a Hamas target. And that the IDF 'mistake' was not bombing the convoy but wrongly believing that it contained the Hamas target. If This is true then this wasn't the fog of war stuff, the aid workers were planned collateral damage, or in real terms murdered because they were either in the way or seen as helping Hamas. ex UKSF (or current?), who specialised in high level close protection and urban warfare, were killed.... Those ration packs needed highly skilled operatives to deliver them it seems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 (edited) 56 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: ex UKSF (or current?), who specialised in high level close protection and urban warfare, were killed.... Those ration packs needed highly skilled operatives to deliver them it seems Security teams working to provide assistance and advice to WCK. All aid agencies working in war zones use ex military to provide security. What else do you think they were there for ? Do you think we are now providing INTEL to Hamas ? Edited April 3 by badgerx16 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 8 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: ex UKSF (or current?), who specialised in high level close protection and urban warfare, were killed.... Those ration packs needed highly skilled operatives to deliver them it seems Are you trying to suggest they were up to something else or just being flippant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Just now, Fan The Flames said: Are you trying to suggest they were up to something else or just being flippant. Not suggesting anything. As with Ukraine, who controls the narrative is the master Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 2 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said: Are you trying to suggest they were up to something else or just being flippant. Stupid is as stupid does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 20 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said: If This is true then this wasn't the fog of war stuff, the aid workers were planned collateral damage, or in real terms murdered because they were either in the way or seen as helping Hamas. You surely know that this is what IDF will do? Killing the aid workers is unforgivable but let’s not pretend Israel won’t take extreme measures to get their enemy at the expense of innocents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 hour ago, aintforever said: I don't like people's rights being denied anywhere but the Palestinian thing particularly grates with me because of the UK's history with the creation of Israel and our government's support for the country. My grandad and great uncle both served in the region during and after WW2. When Israel commit an atrocity many in the muslim world see it as us (the west) as responsible. We like to see ourselves as people who stand up fro human rights and there is an obvious hypocrisy there. Ah, that must explain why you've been so vocal about Sudan. Oh wait, no, not a word... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 44 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Not suggesting anything. As with Ukraine, who controls the narrative is the master I thought the IDF were trying to control the narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 52 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: ex UKSF (or current?), who specialised in high level close protection and urban warfare, were killed.... Those ration packs needed highly skilled operatives to deliver them it seems Carefully tracking the narrative of the previous posts, you have just implied that the British guys targeted and murdered by Israel were not aid workers or just security, and with their CVs, may have been working for Hamas....a line that even the Israeli government isn't taking, they've said it was a mistake, you seem to disagree. And don't bother to ask me anything as a distraction, you lost my attention when you started typing. Not today, 8,000 posts ago. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 55 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Not suggesting anything. As with Ukraine, who controls the narrative is the master Not suggesting anything by suggesting stuff. Then followed up by some vague fluff. Great input DD. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 52 minutes ago, whelk said: You surely know that this is what IDF will do? Killing the aid workers is unforgivable but let’s not pretend Israel won’t take extreme measures to get their enemy at the expense of innocents Yes I'm aware that's how they will act and that they will claim that shit happens in war. With few consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 3 hours ago, Sheaf Saint said: What exactly can Hamas do to prevent the IDF deliberately targeting aid workers? Drive out into the desert, away from any civilian areas, at any point in the last six months. Aid workers and civilians would be ten miles away from the nearest fight and no innocents need get hurt. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 24 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: Drive out into the desert, away from any civilian areas, at any point in the last six months. Aid workers and civilians would be ten miles away from the nearest fight and no innocents need get hurt. But then Israel would not have their excuse for turning Gaza into a pile of rubble and driving the population out, which is clearly their intent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 7 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: But then Israel would not have their excuse for turning Gaza into a pile of rubble and driving the population out, which is clearly their intent. Oh, well in that case they should definitely do it. Imagine how stupid they’d make the IDF look if they were all just sat out in the empty desert, having a BBQ, whilst the IDF were blowing up hospitals. They would make Israel look ridiculous in the eyes of the world AND have the added bonus of not dying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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