Gavin Bazunu

[die Mannyschaft]

2 hours ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Glen de la Cour summed it up on TSP last night likening Gavin Bazunu to a hologram.

😂

He would be good on Red Dawf, as the ball would take a light year to travel from 40 yards to goal.

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

Bazunu is rubbish. McCarthy is just as bad. Ramsdale doesn't want to be here.

Keeper position is a mess.

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

Bazunu is rubbish. McCarthy is just as bad.

McCarthy tips that over the bar, no bother

[beatlesaint]

4 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

McCarthy tips that over the bar, no bother

He probably does. The other advantage would be we dont piss around so much at the back cos even our dopey defenders realise he's an accident thats usually gonna happen with the ball at his feet.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Now I’ve calmed down and rewatched it, it’s still a shit “effort”. Why did he even dive for it, surely he moves his feet quickly backwards first and then tips it over. I seem to recall a similar one last year. 
 

Whatever metric you use, trendy hipster stats or my own bins, he’s shite. Whoever made him player of the match on the basis of one save needs fucking sacking from punditry. Their keeper made just as good a save and unlike ours had no chance with the goal. Player of the match, my arse, he wasn’t even keeper of the match. 

[macca155]

1 minute ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

McCarthy tips that over the bar, no bother

I'll grant you that, but equally he'd have passed straight to a Brum player on several occasions. He isn't the answer, that is warming the bench at Newcastle.

Baz is playing because his distribution is excellent. That suits the so called visionary football, that someone at this bloody club has tried to impose for the last 4 years.

I thought Baz had one of his better games yesterday. A few decent saves, and the goal was more down to the clown show in front of him. However, as you rightly say he isn't a natural shot stopper, neither does he dominate his area or defenders. Nearly every game we see a better goalkeeper at the other end.

Every team Saints play now, works to get crosses in, and take pot shots at every opportunity. They know exactly where our weaknesses lie.

 

[Turkish]

People are underestimating just how good that save was last night. Baz would have had in mind we are vunerable from corners so rather than tip it round the post for a corner like most Glovesman would do and keep the pressure on, he deliberately tipped it onto the post to keep the ball in play and enable us to clear, really brilliant tactical play as well as an awesome hand denial

It these sort of things that the uneducated amongst you dont see but fortunately for us those picking the team do. I've had a rethink about Baz and apart from all the goals be concedes he's in top form, he made 3 great saves last night and few times he was like having Pirlo in the six yard box the way he received it under pressure and kept us playing. There is more to being a top goal custodian these days than just getting the way of shots.

Edited yesterday at 09:51 by Turkish

[Crab Lungs]

9 minutes ago, Turkish said:

People are underestimating just how good that save was last night. Baz would have had in mind we are vunerable from corners so rather than tip it round the post for a corner like most Glovesman would do and keep the pressure on, he deliberately tipped it onto the post to keep the ball in play and enable us to clear, really brilliant tactical play as well as an awesome hand denial

It these sort of things that the uneducated amongst you dont see but fortunately for us those picking the team do. I've had a rethink about Baz and apart from all the goals be concedes he's in top form, he made 3 great saves last night and few times he was like having Pirlo in the six yard box the way he received it under pressure and kept us playing. There is more to being a top goal custodian these days than just getting the way of shots.

No one can do what he does. I’m just trying to figure out why he’s so damp unlucky all the time though..

[Turkish]

8 minutes ago, Crab Lungs said:

No one can do what he does. I’m just trying to figure out why he’s so damp unlucky all the time though..

It's a real shame for him really as if he wasn't so unlucky he'd probably be back at Man City by now and we'd be 100m sheets richer. I guess his lucks got to change soon.

[saintant]

Another goal that goes down as one he should have saved.

[beatlesaint]

I see from his quotes Tonda has jumped all over the Baz was Man of the Match farce. 

If he believes what his eyes tell him, as he has insisted a few times, he's either a bloody liar or needs a trip to Specsavers if he thinks this clown is any good !

[Gloucester Saint]

6 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

I see from his quotes Tonda has jumped all over the Baz was Man of the Match farce. 

If he believes what his eyes tell him, as he has insisted a few times, he's either a bloody liar or needs a trip to Specsavers if he thinks this clown is any good !

Doing Rasmus’s bidding. It’s not our club anymore, it’s SR’s. Or at least until it goes into administration over the next couple of years. Sickening thing is that the staff will be laid off but Gavin’s new contract given to him by that wanker Ankerson will be protected as a football creditor. Football is vile.

Edited yesterday at 12:07 by Gloucester Saint

[vectraman]

1 hour ago, beatlesaint said:

I see from his quotes Tonda has jumped all over the Baz was Man of the Match farce. 

If he believes what his eyes tell him, as he has insisted a few times, he's either a bloody liar or needs a trip to Specsavers if he thinks this clown is any good !

Towing the party line. Best we give Baz a nice contract extension in case he gets snapped up by a big team….said nobody ever.

* Except we know SR will do exactly this and lump us with Baz for another 3 years.
 

 Total 🤡s

 

[Turkish]

Tessem critical of Baz. Another one who just doesn't get how unlucky he is 

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/25729826.former-southampton-fc-man-criticises-bazunu-not-bailing-team/

[beancounter saint]

For anyone interested in stats that are slightly more concrete than most I’ve seen quoted on here:

 

Bazunu league games played 17, points 26, points per game 1.53

 

McCarthy league games played 7, points 6, points per game 0.86

 

Now I know maths probably isn’t a strong point for many of you posting on this thread, but 1.53 is quite a bit higher than 0.86

 

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, beancounter saint said:

For anyone interested in stats that are slightly more concrete than most I’ve seen quoted on here:

 

Bazunu league games played 17, points 26, points per game 1.53

 

McCarthy league games played 7, points 6, points per game 0.86

 

Now I know maths probably isn’t a strong point for many of you posting on this thread, but 1.53 is quite a bit higher than 0.86

 

Now put some context around those stats 

[HKsaint]

8 minutes ago, beancounter saint said:

For anyone interested in stats that are slightly more concrete than most I’ve seen quoted on here:

 

Bazunu league games played 17, points 26, points per game 1.53

 

McCarthy league games played 7, points 6, points per game 0.86

 

Now I know maths probably isn’t a strong point for many of you posting on this thread, but 1.53 is quite a bit higher than 0.86

 

Hi, nice to meet you. Are you a Pompey fan?

[beancounter saint]

11 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Now put some context around those stats 

What context do they need? All are championship league games. Arguably the McCarthy data set is rather small but I don’t see why they aren’t directly comparable. 

[Turkish]

Just now, beancounter saint said:

What context do they need? All are championship league games. Arguably the McCarthy data set is rather small but I don’t see why they aren’t directly comparable. 

Who is the better striker? 

Harry Kane averages 0.25 goals a game in the championship

Adam Armstrong averages 0.34 goal a game

[beancounter saint]

4 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Who is the better striker? 

Harry Kane averages 0.25 goals a game in the championship

Adam Armstrong averages 0.34 goal a game

There’s quite a number of reasons why that particular comparison could be argued as a statistical anomaly, none of which apply to the situation at hand. 

 

I’m simply taking the most obvious metric, on the assumption that the goal of the team/manager/club is to maximise the points from each match, and it seems quite conclusive. 
 

I’m not saying Bazunu is the world’s greatest keeper but I feel he is a lot better than most people seem to think and the selective quoting of statistics to back up a preconceived agenda really gets on my nerves.

 

[Turkish]

4 minutes ago, beancounter saint said:

There’s quite a number of reasons why that particular comparison could be argued as a statistical anomaly, none of which apply to the situation at hand. 

 

I’m simply taking the most obvious metric, on the assumption that the goal of the team/manager/club is to maximise the points from each match, and it seems quite conclusive. 
 

I’m not saying Bazunu is the world’s greatest keeper but I feel he is a lot better than most people seem to think and the selective quoting of statistics to back up a preconceived agenda really gets on my nerves.

 

they are both based on championship appearances so i dont see why they aren't directly comparable. Based simply on the stat of goals per game i provided and no other context you can draw a conclusion that AA is better than Harry Kane, couldnt you?

You can use stats anyway you want. Your "more concrete than most i've seen" points per match stat isn't the drop the mic moment you seem to think it is.

Edited 1 hour ago by Turkish

[Mboto Gorge]

41 minutes ago, beancounter saint said:

For anyone interested in stats that are slightly more concrete than most I’ve seen quoted on here:

 

Bazunu league games played 17, points 26, points per game 1.53

 

McCarthy league games played 7, points 6, points per game 0.86

 

Now I know maths probably isn’t a strong point for many of you posting on this thread, but 1.53 is quite a bit higher than 0.86

 

Now If you could give us the shots on target faced for each of those games, that would be more relevant, for example some games we’ve won with Baz in goal, he simply has had nothing to do and barely had a shot to save. In fact some games we’ve won whilst Baz has still conceded 50% of the shots he’s faced in the game .

Edited 1 hour ago by Mboto Gorge

[Mboto Gorge]

10 minutes ago, beancounter saint said:

There’s quite a number of reasons why that particular comparison could be argued as a statistical anomaly, none of which apply to the situation at hand. 

 

I’m simply taking the most obvious metric, on the assumption that the goal of the team/manager/club is to maximise the points from each match, and it seems quite conclusive. 
 

I’m not saying Bazunu is the world’s greatest keeper but I feel he is a lot better than most people seem to think and the selective quoting of statistics to back up a preconceived agenda really gets on my nerves.

 

Do tell me what you’ve seen with your eyes that makes him “a lot better than most people seem to think”. This is laughable that we have random people coming out of the woodwork telling us that our eyes have deceived us for the past 4 years, along with the actual saves/goals prevented / saveable shot stats where he’s been down at the bottom every single season. Fucking ridiculous. 

[O_Lord_Marian]

25 minutes ago, beancounter saint said:

There’s quite a number of reasons why that particular comparison could be argued as a statistical anomaly, none of which apply to the situation at hand. 

 

I’m simply taking the most obvious metric, on the assumption that the goal of the team/manager/club is to maximise the points from each match, and it seems quite conclusive. 
 

I’m not saying Bazunu is the world’s greatest keeper but I feel he is a lot better than most people seem to think and the selective quoting of statistics to back up a preconceived agenda really gets on my nerves.

 

Seen this 'agenda' comment banded around a fair few times now. If wanting a keeper that is actually good at this job, then agenda me up.

The keeper position is top priority this window, failure to strengthen in this area would be comical but not surprising with this current regime.

[Turkish]

23 minutes ago, Mboto Gorge said:

Now If you could give us the shots on target faced for each of those games, that would be more relevant, for example some games we’ve won with Baz in goal, he simply has had nothing to do and barely had a shot to save. In fact some games we’ve won whilst Baz has still conceded 50% of the shots he’s faced in the game .

Charlton 1 Southampton 5

Charlton had 2 shots on target with Baz in goal

Blackburn 2 Southampton 1

Blackburn had 6 shots on target with McCarthy in goal

Yet Baz wins the points per game stats there

 

[Mboto Gorge]

2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Charlton 1 Southampton 5

Charlton had 2 shots on target with Baz in goal

Blackburn 2 Southampton 1

Blackburn had 6 shots on target with McCarthy in goal

Yet Baz wins the points per game stats there

 

Precisely, which makes the basic points per appearance argument on its own, misleading. But then most people realise that, other than the stoic Baz defenders. It’s all a bit odd because i tend to want my team to have a decent keeper in goal and I’d assume every other fan would too. Clearly not judging by some of the Bazunettes on here 

[lambtiss]

1 hour ago, beancounter saint said:

For anyone interested in stats that are slightly more concrete than most I’ve seen quoted on here:

 

Bazunu league games played 17, points 26, points per game 1.53

 

McCarthy league games played 7, points 6, points per game 0.86

 

Now I know maths probably isn’t a strong point for many of you posting on this thread, but 1.53 is quite a bit higher than 0.86

 

Some people use statistics like a drunk man uses a lampost, for support rather than enlightenment..

[Toussaint]

1 hour ago, beancounter saint said:

For anyone interested in stats that are slightly more concrete than most I’ve seen quoted on here:

 

Bazunu league games played 17, points 26, points per game 1.53

 

McCarthy league games played 7, points 6, points per game 0.86

 

Now I know maths probably isn’t a strong point for many of you posting on this thread, but 1.53 is quite a bit higher than 0.86

 

That is an example of false equivalence 

[BarberSaint]

1 hour ago, beancounter saint said:

What context do they need? All are championship league games. Arguably the McCarthy data set is rather small but I don’t see why they aren’t directly comparable. 

As neither goalkeeper are likely to be directly responsible for the goals we score and the points haul and that is skewed by Tonda vs the bloke who we thought would be a manager but turned out to be the ginger Ali Dia in disguise those 'stats' mean about as much as a 'Yes please and thank you'.