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2 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

As things stand Saido Berahino has had more impact as a teenager in the Premier League than Tyler Dibling has. Let that sink in.

£40m for a kid who supposedly doesn’t want to be here, hasn’t proved anything yet, just has “potential”.

Was not expecting to read that comparison today 🤣

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4 minutes ago, Smirking_Saint said:

Exactly this, the medical team flew out to Brazil a few weeks ago, then the news about us after the youngster broke (edwards ?)

The point is, as you say, there’s plenty happening, they’re under no obligation to stroke the balls of the bed wetters on here

Goes to show how far we've fallen imo - under Lawrie Mc we used to tweak the tails of the fat cats and now we have been reduced to stroking the balls of the bedwetters.

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Will Saints have a team where all the starters are at the apex of their form ever again?
 

Time after time we sell anything that’s got a whiff of a chance of playing CL or top EPL quicker than you can say “ player trading organisation”. I don’t want us to sell Tyler or Mateus. Keep them ffs. Make a special team not a special P&L account this year please. 

It pisses me right off. If We just somehow managed to keep all the talents together for a while we might just breakthrough. As it is we are just a feeder club, like the ancient Maya - sacrificing our best children every year to the Gods ( the big teams) in the belief we’ll have a good harvest. It’s a fucking death cult, a racket. 
 

oh - and SR I buy my ticket to see the talents and the hopes - not the accounts. Fill the team with mediocrities soon enough your spreadsheets will look same. 

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Just now, gio1saints said:

Will Saints have a team where all the starters are at the apex of their form ever again?
 

Time after time we sell anything that’s got a whiff of a chance of playing CL or top EPL quicker than you can say “ player trading organisation”. I don’t want us to sell Tyler or Mateus. Keep them ffs. Make a special team not a special P&L account this year please. 

It pisses me right off. If We just somehow managed to keep all the talents together for a while we might just breakthrough. As it is we are just a feeder club, like the ancient Maya - sacrificing our best children every year to the Gods ( the big teams) in the belief we’ll have a good harvest. It’s a fucking death cult, a racket. 

You just can’t do it anymore, look at Newcastle

Richest club in the world being picked off because they can’t afford to break wage structures 

PSR was a mechanic to maintain status quo and thats it

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Posted

The Chuba Akpom deal is turning into a bit of a saga.

Birmingham thought they had it wrapped up, then in nipped Boro.

But now, Ipswich have jumped to the head of the queue. All 3 have agreed loan deals, now Ajax have left it to the player.

Good signing for whoever gets him, getting on a bit though. Although he's guaranteed impact, rather than a 'young and hungry to improve' type we like to target.

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34 minutes ago, Saint_lambden said:

Baffles me every year why people think the club are not working on deals just because every single move is not reported to them, but I guess we're living in a time of instant gratification. People would rather be fed a load of bollocks that has no substance to it than wait for deals to secured. 

Look at the Quarshie deal - nobody knew that was happening until it was basically done. That's how the club should be operating. 

Quality over quantity is still the mantra. 

I’m very much in the wait and see camp but I can understand why others aren’t. I expect you are right to an extent that it is cultural however this is exacerbated by SR lacking credit with many. There is the old thing about trust being hard earned and easily lost - at the moment I think much of the fan base have little trust or faith which is sort of fair enough. Call it scar tissue or whatever but SR have got a lot wrong and last season was an embarrassment so I get some of it - the occasional “everyone and everything is shit” poster winds me up though!

For me, I give Solak some benefit of the doubt. Getting Spors in early and rebuilding the scouting team is a huge plus in his favour. Making changes at board level another tick. Mostly getting good fees on sales gets more credit - holding out for a good fee for Dibling for example. The two signings so far seem to make sense and feel like good business.

Getting our business done early is generally best but unfortunately not many clubs have that luxury. 

Quality over quantity would be ideal. Even with a few more out I don’t think we need too many in but some genuine quality in the creative midfield positions feels a must. 

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47 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Of those clubs, only Everton or West Ham could stump up around £35m for what Saints would want, because the Dibling and Fernandes sales will relieve any financial pressure. Palace can afford it and European football, but is CB a priority to strengthen for them? 

I think we'd happily accept what we paid for him to shift his wages - plus with Edwards, Stephens, Wood and Kayi Sanda all right footed centre backs and Quarshie two footed do we need him in terms of numbers - not really

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9 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

The Chuba Akpom deal is turning into a bit of a saga.

Birmingham thought they had it wrapped up, then in nipped Boro.

But now, Ipswich have jumped to the head of the queue. All 3 have agreed loan deals, now Ajax have left it to the player.

Good signing for whoever gets him, getting on a bit though. Although he's guaranteed impact, rather than a 'young and hungry to improve' type we like to target.

Im not sure its guaranteed, as a loan its a good gamble, but he’s only ever had one good season at any level, and that was at Boro, under Carrick and behind Archer

Im a bit surprised Ipswich have gone for it

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10 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

The Chuba Akpom deal is turning into a bit of a saga.

Birmingham thought they had it wrapped up, then in nipped Boro.

But now, Ipswich have jumped to the head of the queue. All 3 have agreed loan deals, now Ajax have left it to the player.

Good signing for whoever gets him, getting on a bit though. Although he's guaranteed impact, rather than a 'young and hungry to improve' type we like to target.

he had one good season at Boro - the question is can he repeat at another club. He failed to do so at Ajax.  But if he's played the right way in the right system he can probably repeat it.  But it does mean you have to play that way.

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21 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Of those clubs, only Everton or West Ham could stump up around £35m for what Saints would want, because the Dibling and Fernandes sales will relieve any financial pressure. Palace can afford it and European football, but is CB a priority to strengthen for them? 

£35m. Is that what we want for THB?

I have to say, he's a hard player to put a transfer fee value on. With the ball, he's decent, without it, I'm really not so sure. He lacks a yard of pace, but CBs have been surviving without it for decades. Normally though they make up for it with  ability in the air. Does he do that? He's certainly fully committed and he's not a loose cannon that jumps in all the time to make up for his lack of pace. The centre back position has become such a hard spot to fill. You have to be so much better on the ball than the old days, yet still have the physical attributes to keep strikers quiet. Even as I am typing this, I still can't make my mind up if he is the next Mark Guehi. 

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2 minutes ago, Smirking_Saint said:

Im not sure its guaranteed, as a loan its a good gamble, but he’s only ever had one good season at any level, and that was at Boro, under Carrick and behind Archer

Im a bit surprised Ipswich have gone for it

lets hope we can repeat that trick with Downs and Archer

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2 minutes ago, Chez said:

£35m. Is that what we want for THB?

I have to say, he's a hard player to put a transfer fee value on. With the ball, he's decent, without it, I'm really not so sure. He lacks a yard of pace, but CBs have been surviving without it for decades. Normally though they make up for it with  ability in the air. Does he do that? He's certainly fully committed and he's not a loose cannon that jumps in all the time to make up for his lack of pace. The centre back position has become such a hard spot to fill. You have to be so much better on the ball than the old days, yet still have the physical attributes to keep strikers quiet. Even as I am typing this, I still can't make my mind up if he is the next Mark Guehi. 

Pretty sure that is what we'd want hence he's going nowhere fast. I agree he's a tough one to judge, in a dominant team that has the ball all the time he'd probably look the business as he can definitely pick a pass. But he doesn't have that yard of pass he needs to make up for when he gets caught out, not does he make up for it positionally.

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5 hours ago, Saint Garrett said:

Still expecting plenty of others to leave, squad is still too big. 
 

Dibling, Fernandes, ABK, Taylor, THB, Aribo, Edozie. I’d still like to see the back of BBD too. 
 

Probably would then need atleast 2 attacking players, wouldn’t say no to getting  David Brooks back. Not sure how much game times he’s expecting at Bournemouth and very nearly joined WBA. Maybe also a keeper but I think that can wait possibly, Bazunu is growing. 
 

Leaves:

Bazunu, Macca

Bree, Suga

Welington, Manning

Stephens, Edwards, Quashie, Wood, Sanda 

Smallbone, Charles, Downes, Sesay

Fraser, Robinson, Matsuki (out on loan?)

Arma, Downs, Stewart, Archer

Even with all of those leaving there's plenty in this squad. Consider a first XI and a second XI using a 4-2-1-3. Both have the glaring absence of an AM, but even that second XI doesn't look out of place alongside midtable Championship lineups. So we have plenty of depth.

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Three at the back gets rid of the need for an AM by focusing on attacks from out wide.

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And again, that's assuming no reinforcements and everyone listed leaves (like others I don't think THB does). With five loan spots, the best part of £100m in net transfer fees, and being amongst the favourites for promotion and so an attractive path to Premier League football for new recruits? We're in a decent spot.

4 minutes ago, Rebel said:

I think we'd happily accept what we paid for [THB] to shift his wages - plus with Edwards, Stephens, Wood and Kayi Sanda all right footed centre backs and Quarshie two footed do we need him in terms of numbers - not really

We've already reportedly turned down what we paid for him from Porto. He's also clearly a class above the others at this stage.

2 minutes ago, Chez said:

£35m. Is that what we want for THB?

I still can't make my mind up if he is the next Mark Guehi. 

He's probably not. But with even minimal improvement is he midtable PL with a good head on his shoulders? Probably. With the potential to be the next Mark Guehi, is he worth a decent bit more than £20m? Yes.

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I think as fans we are frustrated because firstly Spors said we would sign a defender, forward and ACM before needing to sell anyone - and that has not happened 

Secondly they gave Stephens a 3 year contract when he didn't really warrant or deserve one.  I think one year people could have swallowed but 3!

And thirdly I think we all thought we just might hold on to one of the jewels - Ramsdale, Fernandes or Dibling - but it doesn't look like that is going to happen (some would include THB in that probably)

I think most were also expecting a bit more movement in and out on the forwards/attackers by now as well. 

I bet the new ACM we were promised ends up being Matsuki when they answer the inevitable question on Thursday at the fans forum 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Saint_lambden said:

Baffles me every year why people think the club are not working on deals just because every single move is not reported to them, but I guess we're living in a time of instant gratification. People would rather be fed a load of bollocks that has no substance to it than wait for deals to secured. 

Look at the Quarshie deal - nobody knew that was happening until it was basically done. That's how the club should be operating. 

Quality over quantity is still the mantra. 

Understand the sentiment, but I think the club opened themselves up to criticism by very publicly announcing they are interested in 3 positions before any players are sold. 2 down, several players out, however still no closer to signing the "creative player" mentioned

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8 minutes ago, Rebel said:

I think as fans we are frustrated because firstly Spors said we would sign a defender, forward and ACM before needing to sell anyone - and that has not happened 

Secondly they gave Stephens a 3 year contract when he didn't really warrant or deserve one.  I think one year people could have swallowed but 3!

And thirdly I think we all thought we just might hold on to one of the jewels - Ramsdale, Fernandes or Dibling - but it doesn't look like that is going to happen (some would include THB in that probably)

I think most were also expecting a bit more movement in and out on the forwards/attackers by now as well. 

I bet the new ACM we were promised ends up being Matsuki when they answer the inevitable question on Thursday at the fans forum 

 

 

To be fair, Spors never said that. Dragan Solak said that Spors had presented a list of transfer targets to the group and that he [Solak] had signed off on going after three of them straight away, regardless of sales. And in fairness, we then signed two of the three: Quarshie and Downs

With the third - the creative player - maybe they turned us down, maybe they are yet to move and are weighing up their options, maybe the move is on the cards and is just protracted or a knock-on to another move

WS has spoken about how he wants to wait and go after the players and people he really wants, so it might just be that we're in a chain or working on persuading a player to sign rather than just moving on 

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7 minutes ago, Saintsarmy said:

Understand the sentiment, but I think the club opened themselves up to criticism by very publicly announcing they are interested in 3 positions before any players are sold. 2 down, several players out, however still no closer to signing the "creative player" mentioned

Did they say they would buy before anyone left the building or have you built that narrative in your own head ?

They’ve stated we don’t have to sell to buy, now thats quite hard to substantiate, but it doesn’t mean the balls only started rolling on transfers once Sully etc had gone

Seems like we’ve chased Spartsyan (sp) for a while

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1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

The words from Dragon were that we were trying a Striker, Defender and AMC - and we can do before selling. We got the striker and defender, but maybe the AMC just didn't materialise for whatever reason.

We do need to be mindful that we do still have Aribo/Edozie and co on the books though, they need to be shifted. Not just financially, but squad size wise really. The vibe I get is that the club want to improve on Aribo, Edozie.

I'll say it again, did we really only have one target?

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1 hour ago, Saint_lambden said:

Baffles me every year why people think the club are not working on deals just because every single move is not reported to them, but I guess we're living in a time of instant gratification. People would rather be fed a load of bollocks that has no substance to it than wait for deals to secured. 

Look at the Quarshie deal - nobody knew that was happening until it was basically done. That's how the club should be operating. 

Quality over quantity is still the mantra. 

It must actually be the new mantra.

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4 minutes ago, saintant said:

I'll say it again, did we really only have one target?

Maybe, for the set price at the time. If others go then that should open up the market. 
 

Better to go up rather than down the market for a change. 

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9 minutes ago, Smirking_Saint said:

Did they say they would buy before anyone left the building or have you built that narrative in your own head ?

They’ve stated we don’t have to sell to buy, now thats quite hard to substantiate, but it doesn’t mean the balls only started rolling on transfers once Sully etc had gone

Seems like we’ve chased Spartsyan (sp) for a while

Which part of my statement is incorrect? and at which point did I state they would exclusively buy 3 players before players are sold? or is that a narrative created in your own head?

I simply said they "announced they were working on 3 deals before players were sold" which is factually correct, all players of significance we have sold were after this date, 18th June to be exact.

They were working on 3 positions before any players were sold and they have delivered on 2 of them. To have declared this position over 6 weeks ago and not have delivered on this is slightly worrying in my opinion. 

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1 hour ago, Rebel said:

I think as fans we are frustrated because firstly Spors said we would sign a defender, forward and ACM before needing to sell anyone - and that has not happened 

Secondly they gave Stephens a 3 year contract when he didn't really warrant or deserve one.  I think one year people could have swallowed but 3!

And thirdly I think we all thought we just might hold on to one of the jewels - Ramsdale, Fernandes or Dibling - but it doesn't look like that is going to happen (some would include THB in that probably)

I think most were also expecting a bit more movement in and out on the forwards/attackers by now as well. 

I bet the new ACM we were promised ends up being Matsuki when they answer the inevitable question on Thursday at the fans forum 

 

 

I'm not frustrated at not signing a AM yet. In truth I was slightly surprised we signed a defender and forward as our squad is so large.

Stephens had a year remaining on his contract, so he either got no contract extension, a two year contract or three. 

I never thought we'd keep them.

All our strikers failed in the PL, but are on big wages. I didn't think for a minute we'd be fighting off suitors. Last week loans/desperate bids more like.

I bet we sign an attacking midfielder.

 

 

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Posted
16 minutes ago, saintant said:

I'll say it again, did we really only have one target?

No, we had three.

I am lying. I don't have a clue how many, but I do know that clubs don't just have one player on their short list. 

Posted
40 minutes ago, Saintsarmy said:

Understand the sentiment, but I think the club opened themselves up to criticism by very publicly announcing they are interested in 3 positions before any players are sold. 2 down, several players out, however still no closer to signing the "creative player" mentioned

They said they had identified a need in those three positions. When asked if we had to sell before signing players, the answer was no.  They didn't say "we will sign three players in those position before selling anyone".  There's a slight difference. 

You say we are no closer, but how do you know? We might be very close. We may have been miles off a month ago, but within a whisker now. 

Like you, I really hope we bring some new creative talent as soon as possible, but there is still time. 

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24 minutes ago, Saintsarmy said:

Which part of my statement is incorrect? and at which point did I state they would exclusively buy 3 players before players are sold? or is that a narrative created in your own head?

I simply said they "announced they were working on 3 deals before players were sold" which is factually correct, all players of significance we have sold were after this date, 18th June to be exact.

They were working on 3 positions before any players were sold and they have delivered on 2 of them. To have declared this position over 6 weeks ago and not have delivered on this is slightly worrying in my opinion. 

Except they literally didn’t say that at all, so like I stated, you made that position up in your head and have proceeded to get angry about it

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1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Dibling given permission to discuss terms with Everton 

 

Lets be honest, his agent has probably already done so

So in the theory they will have Ndaiye, Alcaraz and Dibling looking to play similar roles, I cant see Moyes playing 3 creative players

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We haven't been linked with many (any?) proper no10s aside from the tweets saying we want Spertsyan, but that seems a non starter as a.) Involves sensing cash to Russia and b.) Not clear he actually wants to move

Quite possible he was/is a target hence no other movement, despite how unlikely a signing it seems?

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3 minutes ago, OldNick said:

So in the theory they will have Ndaiye, Alcaraz and Dibling looking to play similar roles, I cant see Moyes playing 3 creative players

eh? Dibling can play wide...Alcaraz does not

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9 minutes ago, Smirking_Saint said:

Except they literally didn’t say that at all, so like I stated, you made that position up in your head and have proceeded to get angry about it

He said, when referring to 3 players that can be brought in before anyone is sold, "we have a striker and we are working on a creative midfielder"

Those words came out of the mouth of the owner

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11 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Dibling given permission to discuss terms with Everton 

 

Lets be honest, his agent has probably already done so

Do teams often grant permissions before a fee has ben agreed?

I agree, the wages will already have been sewn up. The permission just allows the manager to talk to him directly to convince him he's making the right move etc. 

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12 minutes ago, OldNick said:

So in the theory they will have Ndaiye, Alcaraz and Dibling looking to play similar roles, I cant see Moyes playing 3 creative players

They need an entire new right side. The reason they want Dibling is to play RW. 

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7 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Dibling given permission to discuss terms with Everton 

 

Lets be honest, his agent has probably already done so

I think he’s currently on £5k pw. That was from when his transfer value was £1.7m. 
Im unsure what a player valued at £45m package gets paid in salaries these days- does £100k pw on a 4 year deal sound right? Too little? Too high? 

Anywhere he goes the Kid essentially wins £20m+ just by signing his name. Does not even need to be any good anymore either once the signature is there. 

Just what is the fucking point eh?  What’s the motivation once you’ve got all that and you are still essentially a child? He’s won nothing achieved nothing yet he’s an instant multimillionaire. I’m sure that’s the biggest thing his family are worried about and I hope he’s encouraged to mature further at SFC rather than go that other route. 
He WILL be an International he WILL play at a very high level. He’s literally only 18 years old ( 19 soon). Mature and get grounded at Saints is what I hope he does. 

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3 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

I think he’s currently on £5k pw. That was from when his transfer value was £1.7m. 
Im unsure what a player valued at £45m package gets paid in salaries these days- does £100k pw on a 4 year deal sound right? Too little? Too high? 

Anywhere he goes the Kid essentially wins £20m+ just by signing his name. Does not even need to be any good anymore either once the signature is there. 

Just what is the fucking point eh?  What’s the motivation once you’ve got all that and you are still essentially a child? He’s won nothing achieved nothing yet he’s an instant multimillionaire. I’m sure that’s the biggest thing his family are worried about and I hope he’s encouraged to mature further at SFC rather than go that other route. 
He WILL be an International he WILL play at a very high level. He’s literally only 18 years old ( 19 soon). Mature and get grounded at Saints is what I hope he does. 

I think you are probably right. If you are signed for £40m then £100k+ a week seems a reasonable assumption. It's a no brainer to move to a PL club.

He hasn't spent most of his life trying to become a professional footballer only to give up because he has got a big contract. The money can be an issue for some, but for others it just adds to the motivation. On top of that, he wants to win, to be great, to be better, to be the best...

He can do that at Everton and then wherever after. He wont be doing it at Saints.

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24 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

He said, when referring to 3 players that can be brought in before anyone is sold, "we have a striker and we are working on a creative midfielder"

Those words came out of the mouth of the owner

I know what came out of the mouth of the owner, its what Im debating

Im sure we are still working on a creative midfielder, even Will has said we are

My point is at no point did he say we’ll buy before we sold, he only said we don’t need to sell to buy

Posted
2 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Wouldn’t surprise me if Donley ends up being a very late loan although the Maddison suspected ACL and Son might put paid to that. 

West brom interested apparently .. Ryan mason connections

Posted
1 hour ago, CSA96 said:

To be fair, Spors never said that. Dragan Solak said that Spors had presented a list of transfer targets to the group and that he [Solak] had signed off on going after three of them straight away, regardless of sales. And in fairness, we then signed two of the three: Quarshie and Downs

With the third - the creative player - maybe they turned us down, maybe they are yet to move and are weighing up their options, maybe the move is on the cards and is just protracted or a knock-on to another move

WS has spoken about how he wants to wait and go after the players and people he really wants, so it might just be that we're in a chain or working on persuading a player to sign rather than just moving on 

you are right it was Solak - I apologise.  

I did think it meant we would get those 3 key players in before the start of the season, or early in pre-season so they and we were up and running for the big kick-off.  I think most of us accepted it also meant players leaving - but hoped it meant we could replace before selling in these key positions

I have never thought we would keep any of Ramsdale, THB, Fernandes or Dibling - but I was hoping we would have signed an ACM to replace Dibling and/or Fernandes by now.  Maybe we are holding out for Rudoni if a premier league team doesn't come in for him.

I also always thought we would look to  take the maximum 5 players on loan from the premier league at the end of the transfer window to fill  a few holes - but expected a few more foreign players from 'lesser leagues' to be signed and sealed by now. 

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2 minutes ago, Smirking_Saint said:

I know what came out of the mouth of the owner, its what Im debating

Im sure we are still working on a creative midfielder, even Will has said we are

My point is at no point did he say we’ll buy before we sold, he only said we don’t need to sell to buy

that kind of implies we would buy before we sold - if not why would you bother saying it?

Or did he just mean even without selling anyone they know we need add 3 players in those key positions - which makes it more understandable that some supporters are worried that we are selling Fernandes and Dibling (and Edozie not to mention Sulemana) making ourselves weaker in that creative/attacking position.

Maybe they have decided that Matsuki and Robinson have shown enough in pre-season that we are covered already.

As you say I would guess we are working on signing an attacking/creative player (Zeneli, Rudoni or someone like that) - but until its signed and sealed I would always be a bit worried with our track record of not signing the players we need.

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17 minutes ago, Rebel said:

you are right it was Solak - I apologise.  

I did think it meant we would get those 3 key players in before the start of the season, or early in pre-season so they and we were up and running for the big kick-off.  I think most of us accepted it also meant players leaving - but hoped it meant we could replace before selling in these key positions

I have never thought we would keep any of Ramsdale, THB, Fernandes or Dibling - but I was hoping we would have signed an ACM to replace Dibling and/or Fernandes by now.  Maybe we are holding out for Rudoni if a premier league team doesn't come in for him.

I also always thought we would look to  take the maximum 5 players on loan from the premier league at the end of the transfer window to fill  a few holes - but expected a few more foreign players from 'lesser leagues' to be signed and sealed by now. 

We don't want to be in the same position we were last year, having to spend £40-50m just to retain the same team.

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