Robinson v Dibling

[BranfootsLoveChild]

Just a thought on my part. From what I've seen so far of Robinson I think he could turn out to be the better of the two. His awareness seems to be better as in what's around him on the pitch. His decision making is better. I think we did well to get what we did for Dibling. Time will tell but hopefully Robinson will go on to great things!! 

[Farmer Saint]

Robinson looks very good, but there was (certainly initially) something about the way Dibling carried the ball that was exceptional. 

We'll see though.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Dibling is a professional footballer while Sugar Ray Robinson's profession was boxing. But then, Robinson has been dead for over 30 years, evening things up. I think it will be a points decision.

[gio1saints]

8 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Dibling is a professional footballer while Sugar Ray Robinson's profession was boxing. But then, Robinson has been dead for over 30 years, evening things up. I think it will be a points decision.

You’re not taking this forum as seriously as you used to @Holmes_and_Watson. Why can’t you be banal - or seriously banal - or both, instead of, err, whimsy.😁.  People are getting confused. Others frightened. It really won’t do. 

[gio1saints]

Oh, my vote is for Dibling atm. When Jay gets better it will be for Him though and hopefully that won’t take too long seeing as Tyler is already getting splinters on the bench at Everton.

 

But then again this may be considered Jays “senior development year “ so Will may try to “ protect “ him ( means drop him and play Leo or Fraser more but pretend it’s for his own good to stop an 18 year young man getting tired playing a whole 90 minutes in a whole fucking week ) so we may not see the Full Jay. Unless of course there are injuries. But Half Jay is still going to be worth watching I’d say. Certainly better than watching Tyler watching his new mates play football from three rows back on the team bench like he does atm . Or it could be two rows back u can’t tell it’s quite far from being on the pitch anyways. 

Edited Wednesday at 19:49 by gio1saints

[Farmer Saint]

57 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

You’re not taking this forum as seriously as you used to @Holmes_and_Watson. Why can’t you be banal - or seriously banal - or both, instead of, err, whimsy.😁.  People are getting confused. Others frightened. It really won’t do. 

Ha, he said anal. Twice.

[Patches O Houlihan]

They are virtually the same height, but Tyler appears to have eaten more pies in the last year. May be a tad quicker too?

[Charlie Wayman]

Robinson will be the better player. He works harder, is difficult to knock off the ball when running at defences weaving his way past opposition players and he works much harder when tracking back. He also seems stronger and more robust. He could be the new Bale which will not be necessarily a good thing for us when the vultures come sniffing.

[pingpong]

I think Robinson could reach the heights of a Neil Heaney, or maybe even a Glenn cockerill .

Dibling? I think will do slightly better, maybe a Walcott or perhaps a Rod Wallace if Everton hit a purple patch.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, gio1saints said:

You’re not taking this forum as seriously as you used to @Holmes_and_Watson. Why can’t you be banal - or seriously banal - or both, instead of, err, whimsy.😁.  People are getting confused. Others frightened. It really won’t do. 

I practice my Bazunu scowl in the mirror every day, because fun is a serious business. 🙂

[Dusic]

Don't really see the point in making comparisons like this, especially as Dibling played a season of PL football whilst Robinson has only made a handful of pro apps to date.

He has done well at times this season but shouldn't be put under pressure.

Dibling is a top talent who has the physical power alongside high level technique to be a really standout player at the top level. He had moment lsst yesr against top defenders that most players would not be capable of, probably Robinson included.

Shame they couldn't have played together for us this year but that is what relegation does.

[SW11_Saint]

Probably wishful thinking… and know he’s a different type of player… but something about the languid way that Jay Robinson moves with the ball really reminds me of a young Stevie Williams. 

And no. I still haven’t got over him leaving…🥹

[Dark Munster]

5 hours ago, BranfootsLoveChild said:

Just a thought on my part. From what I've seen so far of Robinson I think he could turn out to be the better of the two. His awareness seems to be better as in what's around him on the pitch. His decision making is better. I think we did well to get what we did for Dibling. Time will tell but hopefully Robinson will go on to great things!! 

"My ex-girlfriend who dumped me is ugly. I never fancied her anyway."

[coalman]

The big difference so far for me is that Dibling looked phsycially strong to be able to hold off players when he came into the team. Robinson can get knocked off the ball a bit easily as we saw against Stoke though that was a factor of being forced to play central midfield.

[suewhistle]

10 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said:

He also seems stronger and more robust.

Not through my eyes he doesn't. I think he needs to be played further forward though as Stoke's robust play impacted him and more than it might have done Dibling, I reckon.

[goodymatt]

Dibling is an unusual mix of pace, technical ability and power. He made international full backs at some of the biggest clubs in the world fall over themselves or just bounce off him. He has all the attributes to be a top player and that’s why he’s gone. Dibling’s physique after this summer looks bigger and stronger. Even in the championship he played a cup game vs Watford and powered through their entire left hand side, he’s always looked very hard to knock off the ball.

Robinson has played a handful of games and looks able to dribble with both feet and get into the right positions. He is sometimes pushed off the ball but he is still filling out and adapting to the step up to men’s football. We’ve seen him snatch at a few shots and sometimes not get the power behind them. I get Lallana vibes how he twists and turns, he’s not weak at all. Remains to be seen how Robinson develops but he looks plenty capable for the championship already, which is encouraging. Much more raw than Tyler but he’s jumped the queue in front of some seasoned players already. 

Both are a fantastic advert for our academy and it’s great to see us producing players again that actually make the first team. It will be interesting to see how Jay is managed now we have Scienza and Fellows who will expect to start.

[goodymatt]

Just one more thing to add on Jay, I really like how he always wants the ball, is happy to track back and seems to create space to have a shot. Plenty proven players have struggled to do all of those three in recent times for us.

[gio1saints]

1 hour ago, coalman said:

The big difference so far for me is that Dibling looked phsycially strong to be able to hold off players when he came into the team. Robinson can get knocked off the ball a bit easily as we saw against Stoke though that was a factor of being forced to play central midfield.

Agree and that’s a key point over number of games he may play this year.
 

I hope that Saints can learn from Sam Edozie. He is /was a talent. Was scoring early doors of the season. Making problems for every Championship defender.  Not as eye catching as Jay but all the same he was the best we had 1 on 1.
 

But he got injured and his confidence never really returned. Career gone on hold it seems after such promise. 

Championship defenders are going to be both frightened at being made a fool of by Jay and licking their lips at the prospect of laying one on the slight looking kid. Jay needs to be super fit and ready to avoid getting hit. When fit he’s normally able to duck and weave and twist and flick his way out of trouble. Once he’s obviously tiring I suspect Still will be hooking him off fast just to minimise chances of him getting caught by a late one. 

[coalman]

45 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

Agree and that’s a key point over number of games he may play this year.
 

I hope that Saints can learn from Sam Edozie. He is /was a talent. Was scoring early doors of the season. Making problems for every Championship defender.  Not as eye catching as Jay but all the same he was the best we had 1 on 1.
 

But he got injured and his confidence never really returned. Career gone on hold it seems after such promise. 

Championship defenders are going to be both frightened at being made a fool of by Jay and licking their lips at the prospect of laying one on the slight looking kid. Jay needs to be super fit and ready to avoid getting hit. When fit he’s normally able to duck and weave and twist and flick his way out of trouble. Once he’s obviously tiring I suspect Still will be hooking him off fast just to minimise chances of him getting caught by a late one. 

I'm not sure Edozie ever got a chance to build his confidence back up. By the time he was back from injury Martin had brought in Brooks and Rothwell on loan and, after that, chances were few and far between. Then last season Martin decided he'd prefer BBD and Armstrong as his wide players and shipped him off on loan. I'm actually hopeful that Edozie fights for his place now he didn't get his move because his ability to go past people is right up there and he'd added the defensive side of his game. The goals / assists return he got in the first half of the Championship would be very welcome this time.

With Robinson I think that Stoke showed that he's going to struggle in that part of the pitch. We want him trying things around the opponent penalty area. Not between our penalty area and the centre circle. At least until he's developed more physically.

[benjii]

8 hours ago, Dark Munster said:

"My ex-girlfriend who dumped me is ugly. I never fancied her anyway."

She..... she.... said my cock was too big.

[gio1saints]

54 minutes ago, coalman said:

I'm not sure Edozie ever got a chance to build his confidence back up. By the time he was back from injury Martin had brought in Brooks and Rothwell on loan and, after that, chances were few and far between. Then last season Martin decided he'd prefer BBD and Armstrong as his wide players and shipped him off on loan. I'm actually hopeful that Edozie fights for his place now he didn't get his move because his ability to go past people is right up there and he'd added the defensive side of his game. The goals / assists return he got in the first half of the Championship would be very welcome this time.

With Robinson I think that Stoke showed that he's going to struggle in that part of the pitch. We want him trying things around the opponent penalty area. Not between our penalty area and the centre circle. At least until he's developed more physically.

Yes I think the evidence tends to show Jay should stay in the final third - and especially penalty area itself. His job instructions ought to be to find space to receive ball in or around penalty area and then make something happen. Thats it. The rest of the team instructions ought to be- if there’s a chance of a pass to Jay in or around penalty area - even if he’s surrounded- give him the ball. 
Bit extreme perhaps but young lad like that given simple instructions like that I think he’d get it - we should not try fill his head up with 101 tactical subtleties. Thats for others who do not possesses that X factor to create something out of nothing/ the team watercarriers. ( aka the team domestiques)  Essential though they are as well let’s not forget! 

Edited Thursday at 09:56 by gio1saints

[coalman]

2 hours ago, benjii said:

She..... she.... said my cock was too big.

That's odd. My ex said it was because I was too big of a cock.

[Whitey Grandad]

2 hours ago, benjii said:

She..... she.... said my cock was too big.

And it woke her up in the morning. 

[pimpin4rizeal]

Obviously it’s two different leagues  Robinson looks much of a goal threat and assist threat imo . Dibling for me was just a very elegant dribbler looked good running with the ball but limited impact .. I prefer jay 

[Saint86]

18 hours ago, BranfootsLoveChild said:

Just a thought on my part. From what I've seen so far of Robinson I think he could turn out to be the better of the two. His awareness seems to be better as in what's around him on the pitch. His decision making is better. I think we did well to get what we did for Dibling. Time will tell but hopefully Robinson will go on to great things!! 

Robinson has the potential to be a good prem player for saints imo, someone of the JWP/Schneiderlin style level.

Dibling has Bale level potential (i.e., to become one of the best players in the league/europe etc) - although i'm doubtful as to whether he can realise that potential as there does seem to be something else going on with him from a mentality perspective.

Eitherway, both are great talents and success stories for the academy.

Edited Thursday at 13:39 by Saint86

[St Louis]

I know for a fact that the academy staff generally rated Robinson as the better prospect of the two, and most likely to make the first team. There was a little surprise with how well Dibling performed as soon as he reached the first team. So its always hard to predict, as young players develop at different rates.
I'm really excited about Robinson, I love his confidence and how direct he is. He already feels like our most exciting attacking player in the squad (admittedly havent seen any of the new guys yet), but its great that we keep producing them 👍

[Charlie Wayman]

13 hours ago, Dark Munster said:

"My ex-girlfriend who dumped me is ugly. I never fancied her anyway."

Nothing resentful in my judgement, Jay Robinson has come flying out of the blocks at full speed from nowhere without hype or fanfare and has taken most of us by complete surprise. He has been called up by the England Under 18 squad so it's not just us admirers saying he is a possible star in the making.

With Tyler it has become difficult to make a true assessment of his real potential beacause of the inflated rhetoric that surrounds every move the lad makes. Probability is the two kids are very much on a par so their future successes may come down to oppurtunity and hard graft which is why I back Robinson. 

[Turkish]

Anyone else buzzing for how much money we’ll get for Robinson next summer? 
 

💰 💰

[tdmickey3]

13 hours ago, Turkish said:

Anyone else buzzing for how much money we’ll get for Robinson next summer? 
 

💰 💰

Yep, our next cash in

[Roo1976]

18 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Obviously it’s two different leagues  Robinson looks much of a goal threat and assist threat imo . Dibling for me was just a very elegant dribbler looked good running with the ball but limited impact .. I prefer jay 

I think Dibbling could learn alot from Grealish tbh, if he goes on to develop in the way Everton bought him for.

[Badger]

5 hours ago, tdmickey3 said:

Yep, our next cash in

In April we’ll make noises about £60m, but probably accept £30m late July/August. 

[Dr Who?]

I think Robinson will go to a bigger club than Everton when he leaves Saints. In terms of winning something. 

Edited yesterday at 13:03 by Dr Who?

[saintant]

16 minutes ago, Dr Who? said:

I think Robinson will go to a bigger club than Everton when he leaves Saints. In terms of winning something. 

Agree but if all the hype about Tyler is on the money Everton will be a brief stepping stone in his journey to a top 4 club. Still to be convinced he is as good as many think and was happy to get the fee we did from Everton.

[hypochondriac]

21 hours ago, Turkish said:

Anyone else buzzing for how much money we’ll get for Robinson next summer? 
 

💰 💰

It's going to be so much. I lie awake at night thinking about the 20% sell on clause we will insert. 

[sockeye]

On 04/09/2025 at 18:17, Turkish said:

Anyone else buzzing for how much money we’ll get for Robinson next summer? 
 

💰 💰

I know you're bantering but no way he goes in the summer if we get promoted, a season in the PL will skyrocket his value.

Edited 22 hours ago by sockeye

[for_heaven's_Saint]

Robinson looking good for England U19s. 
 

 

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

Definitely agree with the person who mentioned Lallana vibes. Need to ensure that Saints don't overplay him. 

Will be decent player once he bulks up and can improve his shooting. Early days yet but you can see he is super eager currently. 

Dibling I think is a more direct player. Hope he does well.

Edited 3 hours ago by JohnnyShearer2.0